CBC Radio Nerdz VIII

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On our last episode we discussed day six, and the new rightward shift of CBC radio, something we thought we wouldn't see.

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Mary Ambrose has been taking a lot of turns on As It Happens.  And, as it happens, I don't like her style.  She sounds flippant, and isn't funny. 


George Victor
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She's been instructed to try to bring Barbara's humour to the program...poor woman.


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She sounds terrible, and it's fucking up the show.  When I hear her voice I tune out, literally.

I think there must have been some kind of change to the way the six pm newscasts are created.  The casts have been really good, with strong reports, and almost a theme to each cast. 


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Some right-wing anti-Arab bigot was just on Day Six, heaping criticism upon the UN for the Security Council vote.  I was so mad I felt like sending off a sternly-worded letter to the CBC.  Then Brent Bambury came on and said that the yahoo was Ezra Levant.

 

OK, that makes sense.

[Should there be a "Pro-Zionist media bias/CBC Radio nerds" thread?]


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The Levant

 

Clearly, the fellow is all caught up in a childhood hatred for his entrapment in association with a name of Arab origin, and is now on a life mission to flaunt it before his guilty parents.  Or is that too Freudian (Jungian?) in a time of biological explanations?

 


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i heard that too. Ezrah Levant. nazipooh and loudmouth snake oil salesman!  Brent banbury ENCOURAGES us to visit the program website, to 'comment' pro or con, he says, as if the hits aint the main idea ( he sure doesn't gives a flying frick about what anybody thinks)...john bolton is ALWAYS on jon oakley, the am640 morning skinhead host, to succor the mindless idiots who listen to jon oakley/stafford/doyle etc. Btw, Mike Bullard is on CFRB at noon (Beyond the Mike)  and he is a breath of fresh air! Will wonders never cease! He had Carolyn Parrish on last week to comment on the mayor hazel bs the rest of media somehow overlooks! I fear telling steve kouch, 'RB program director, that Mike is a step in right direction as ...well, reactionaries are truly vicious, and Mike Bullard seems to like twisting the skinheads' tails! The contempt between him and reactionary aftnoon host jim richards almost grabs throats! For example, Mike said richards has the 'sweetest ass at the station' when richards was leaving the  onair booth after doing the show intro interview! ...shades of fallen talkradio hero Alan Berg! (maybe also a reference to the Family Guy Peter Griffin(!)?)

hahaha! take that, ya skinhead bastards!


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George Victor wrote:

The Levant

 

Clearly, the fellow is all caught up in a childhood hatred for his entrapment in association with a name of Arab origin, and is now on a life mission to flaunt it before his guilty parents.  Or is that too Freudian (Jungian?) in a time of biological explanations?

 

 

Yeah, and why is it that when I see maghrebia in stores it's always called "Israeli couscous"?


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Neat read here on the overall CBC operations, Stursberg, etc. 

Interesting to note the almost total emphasis on CBC TV and just a few offhand comments on Ceeb Radio 1, which is clearly still capable of servicing its mandate even though we hack on it constantly.

Couple of trends of note that Rabinovitch is, I think, totally correct in pointing out: CBC sports is toast, and TV newscasts are not long for the screens, especially a big daily and mostly pointless program like The National, which must costs scads of money to produce each day. 

Why not adopt the radio format for TV?  Put CBC News Network on the channels, and break it up with hourly newscasts from your particular region.  Consolidate the operations, because I don't think there's any justification for big splashy newscasts anymore, especially ones that are reliant upon stories not sourced locally.

And this sounds mean, but oh well....  Axe the dinosaurs in front of and behind the cameras and microphones.  Pension them off, force them into retirement unless they have really good skillsets.  Turn them into trainers, or unleash them on the colleges and universities as teachers.  Let them retire to fat PR paychecks.   

Thorin (or anyone else outside TO chime in) what're the Windsor TV casts like?  I have never, ever, watched a regional CBC newscast so I have no clue what they're like.

Here's the link:

 http://tinyurl.com/RabinovitchSeesTheEnd


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I would take anything Robert Rabinovitch recommends with a large grain of salt. He set the CBC on it destructive course during his time at the helm (1999 to 2007). And he certainly wasn't the most visionary leader when he was deputy minister of Canadian Heritage.


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The Chretien Libs knocking 450 mil off the budget couldn't have helped his CBC tenure much.


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" ' I knew Richard was going to be a bull in a china shop,' CBC president Robert Rabinocitch said, according to Trevor Cole in his Walrus article this month, "Dragon Done: Richard Stursberg's controversial tenure at CBC".

Perhaps they got rid of Stursberg in time. But the need now is to replace Steve.


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There's no chance that the CBC budget will increase.  Not through parliament. 

The people running the Ceeb are going to have to design a new template.  Reading the Rabinovitch interview gives me a good idea of where the Ceeb is heading whether it wants to or not - reduced TV programming in news and current affairs, no sports, radio remaining more or less the same if not enhanced, plus probably more straight to the net media.  More radio on TV.

Notice lately that the audio on As It Happens has been clear?  Skype.  The show will still do phone interviews to retain the classic sound (and not everyone they want to talk to will have net\skype) but AIH is a good indication of how the Ceeb will tweak radio to make it stronger and more video friendly. 

Now they just need to get rid of Ambrose. 


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Well I'm back after a brief cooling down period. CBC Windsor is ok. They get about 6 small regional stories(unless there is something big) and 1 semi large story. Weather is regional in this instance. We are happy to have the metoeroligist from the area and not from Ottawa with nick like we had a few years back. Actually the old format of separate regional and national was a lot better. Now its a mish mash of stories. I really hope they don't take it away-again. We fought hard to get our local show back.

We only have A Channel otherwise which is on the verge of going away so our 400,000 south of london get literally no coverage. Our paper makes the national post look like the to star. So we need something that is not falling off the map on the right.


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I've always been puzzled by the CBC in our general area, Thorin.  It makes more sense, to me at least, to consolidate the London and Windsor operations into one bureau covering London to Windsor (if Woodstock\Brantford is added, that's probably more than a million people).  Keep the current people in London, but add a camera operator\editor and file TV for Windsor casts, and pull London content into the Windsor morning radio show and newscasts (is there an afternoon show from Windsor radio?).

But I can see why this won't happen: some Ceebers in Toronto would either have to move to Windsor or lose their jobs creating the rather dull and lifeless Ontario Morning, with its absurd coverage mandate.

I was SO pissed at the CBC on municipal election night.  Obviously there was no coverage of London and surrounding areas, but my local 93.5 Ceeb station, which carries Toronto's afternoon show Here and Now and a lot of other Toronto coverage.... did NOT run the TO election coverage!  They did the usual and replayed The Current and other assorted programs.  So in this area we get to listen to Toronto programming for the afternoon but not when an election is happening.  Wonderful work to the programming morons at Fort Dork.


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We are a lot luckier as we are actually serviced well down here. We have a morning and afternoon show on Radio1 and a 6 o'clock TV broadcast and 10 minute local news recap at 1055-1105 PM. I think down here we wouldn't want to cosolidate because of exactly what you said. We feel ignored by all levels of government/media so we probably wouldn't want to share what little we have. AT one time we had very good TV reporters because of our proximity to detroit but that has waned over the years. I do understand your frustration because that is how windsor feels aside from CBC(as limited as it is)

On cable we have CKCO with a local boradcast from kitchener. Thats right Windsor as reported from Kitchener. I think they have 2 or 3 reporters to cover sarnia lambton, chatham kent and windsor essex. Very little news about our local area regardless of medium, but not much happens anyway. The cbc was suppose to concentrate a great deal more on local content, but its hard to do with not enough resources. Figure they haven't had an increase in budgets in...who knows when and they now have to cope with the huge amount of resources required to operate CBC.CA resources is the problem.

The london area is too close to Toronto so you guys get caught in the Toronto centric news on the Ceeb. Down here we had nothing at all when they shut down our local CBC. Its why we had a huge rally to get it back. Even at a much smaller and heavily cut station compared to its former greatness. I doubt you would get the same thing now though. People don't care, those that do are more vocal about getting rid of the CBC than the rest of us who just want something less bias than our paper.


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That's what I'm getting at: consolidate London and Windsor (but keep the broadcasting ops running in Windsor) to make both better and perhaps draw attention back to the Ceeb, especially radio, as a medium where news and information is discussed rationally and balanced.

London has much more in common with Windsor than Toronto.  The London region, St Thomas etc, is similar in makeup to Windsor.  It makes sense to me to combine the two operations, but with the bureau remaining in Windsor.  There's no reason for the silo treatment, and it does a disservice to the Ceeb's mandate. 

Combining the two operations would also strengthen the case for not dropping either.  London used to have a radio department of seven or eight people.  There used to be a St Thomas producer.  Now there are two news people and one part time London producer contributing to a show that's created in Toronto.  I'd much rather have the scant Ceeb resources go to supporting a London presence in Windsor than slopping more TO schlubs on the airwaves.

Back to radio.  The Rob Ford interview on AIH was a classic.  I think Off was provoking him, but whatever.  I don't think Ford is going to lose a lot of sleep over the CBC, and he'll probably be happy to join the ranks of people slamming the Ceeb.

And it looks like Ambrose is a fixture on AIH.  Sigh.  She's getting better....? 


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Yep, someone has told Ambrose she's not standup material.


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Michael Enright is reporting on the Teaparty movement all of this morning out of Gainesville (Gaynesville?) Florida.

What one hears is an attack on liberal and socialists and a call for a return to fiscal responsibility and "constitutiional values."

And when Michael points out that Bush outspent them all...yes," we were asleep" :) 

The GAinesville food bank handled 3 million pounds of food last year...probably have to find 4 million this year...somewhere.


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When 'Enleft' (as someone renamed Michael recently!) reacted to a guest mentioning the 911 attack by suggesting the USA then attacked an innocent nation, the rightwing nut shooed away the insolent truth and insisted (paraphrasing) the attack was 'by arabs and as iraq= arab, then...etc'. note: we're tilting at windmills fighting the reactionarky rightwing!

On CTV 'question period" Jeffrey simpson debunked the 'teaparty movement' nonsense that the lapdog media proclaims as indicated by ROb Ford mayoral victory by pointing out the Rob ford phenomenon is almost entirely local- the rest of  muni's xcountry elected 'moderates'! Simpson looks like the rightwing lying liars he's linked with are starting to really annoy him (jane taber said 'i do' when simpson stated that he doesn't believe short term polls!) Taber should be embarassed. In interview with Mike Bullard last week she called Bullard an 'anamoly' when he said he thought there was alot more to the news then the superficial soundbites- he's very unusual because he doesn't just accept what the media says and leave it at that! She laffs at Bullard, but ...she must take lotsa showers! Craig Oliver is almost always walking on eggshells during QP... he plays down everything!


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Quote:

When 'Enleft' (as someone renamed Michael recently!) reacted to a guest mentioning the 911 attack by suggesting the USA then attacked an innocent nation, the rightwing nut shooed away the insolent truth and insisted (paraphrasing) the attack was 'by arabs and as iraq= arab, then...etc'.

 

I heard some of that interview. At one point, while trying to justify invading Iraq by saying Iraqis were still shooting at murricans, she actually said "duh" - and not ironically - in the middle of her sputtering diatribe.


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quote: Simpson looks like the rightwing lying liars he's linked with are starting to really annoy him (jane taber said 'i do' when simpson stated that he doesn't believe short term polls!)

 

 

OUtside of Lawrence Martin (Harperland: The Politics of Control), Simpson is the strongest and most consistent critic of Stephen Harper in the land. Finds Steve an abomination, actually. Anyone reading the Globe on a daily basis will understand that to describe him as looking like "the rightwing lying liars that he's linked with," is to be out to political lunch.


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I constantly hear ads for Propaganada and where you can buy previous seasons...yet its the only show I know you can do that, wiretap-no, ideas-no, even stewart macleans show only has compilation cds and not whole seasons. I seriously hear that horrid theme music so often I want to trun off the CBC, but its the onlyt canadian channel that covers national news down here. The old big 8 channel CKLW AM 800 is just a chum subsidy that flogs the cons at all time that they don't have advertising on.

Am I missing ads on CBC for other shows because they don't happen or because I hate that song for Afghanada and notice it more.


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The Muslim Canadian Congress's Tarek Fatah tells Michael Enright this morning that hardline Islamists have infiltrated the top ranks of Canadian military, CSIS, etc.  and that the "liberal left is walking away from its responsibility".  "The Jew is Not My Enemy" , his latest book, is quoted. "Islamic fascism" is the "elephant in the room" that the "liberal left" will not point to.

"Islam is not an anti-semitic faith."   The Israel/Palestine issue is fundamentally a "legal issue"  In 9 th Century AD the story of the slaughter of 900 Jews by the prophet, was propogated...it is not from the Quran. "The Jews are not our enemy, they are our brothers and sisters."

"Bring victory over the infidel", the opening statement of each prayer in mosques everywhere, says Tarek Fatah, is the everyday evidence of the distortion of Muslim values.

 

He was intensely challenged by Enright, and it was the first time I had heard Fatah speak...and I now better understand the fundamental difference between - heck, the reason for their existence - Fatah's Muslim Canadian Congress and the Canadian Islamic Congress. 

I'm an embarassingly slow learner...but I think fairly representative of those Canadians raised free of religious rot. I'm afraid that is going to become much more difficult for succeeding generations to emulate.


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Enright next interviewed people involved in the Quiet Revolution and its development, representing the arts, academe and politics.

Eighty year old Jacques Parizeau was interviewed by phone from his home in Montreal...and listeners learned that the young economics grad (London School of Economics) was phoned on a Sunday morning in 1961 by Rene Levesque with the assignment (he was given three of four days) to estimate the cost of nationalizing hydro in Quebec.  Bankers in Montreal and Toronto were not about to ante up, so the money was found in New York.

The age of Globalization has complicated things, he says, but still believes that the goal of separatists is realizeable.  There are still too many workers in Quebec in the $20,000 to $30,000 income range...

In the third hour, Enright looks at the Yukon gold rush of the late 1890s and the characters that have come down to us through history.


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Michael Enright is the best thing about Radio 1, IMV.  Like when Tariq Fatah started going on about Muslim extremists infiltrating CSIS, etc, and Michael said he sounded like Joe McCarthy going on about communists infiltrating the US gov't.

I have heard Tariq Fatah before - he's not wrong about Muslim extremism.  But his solutions seem to be substituting one form of fanaticism for another.  And even if there were hardline Islamists in CSIS, how is the "liberal left" to blame for that?


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Tarek Fatah does evening show with cfrb reactionarky knuckledragger named 'ron doyle'...he use to be on with afternoon chump mike ('we defenseless west/israel MUST use nukes on IRAN asap or we'll be very sorry!' -TO.Sun/2006!) coren until coren got let go. Coren once wrote bits for the afflict-the-comfortable 'Frank' magazine fyi! Mister Fatah can't have many muslim friends- he literally calls the religion a monstrosity of pure evil- intent on enslaving everybody to a crude and impractical prophet of a biker type god. His success, despite the obvious pandering to some murderously capable forces (US/Israel/Canada fascism) seem too much a stretch, but he is a voice of 'the other'in a skinhead media. And that's his job. ISLAM is needed by the military industrial complex (fascism)  we spend such insane sums on to secure our safety. W/out ISLAM, the enemy would be....ahem, poor lil 3rd world entities like Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, N Korea- and maybe Syria if one wants them to sound greater. China isn't poor lil 3rd world, and only serves the MIC as enemy in a too highly speculative fashion; sorta nudge wink, and that won't do! We need provable ENEMIES who are at work fighting against us, (toronto 18, shoebomber, times square blastic cap guy etc) and THEM planning horrors only Hollywood can really portray (ie mushroom clouds, anyone?) ...never mind that the State of New York has larger military budget then Cuba, iran, Venezuela and NKorea combined!  The need for an enemy is so great the CSIS might very well allow turbaned crazies to sit on the NATSEC oversight committee boards- why not? they can't do anything, and it gives the critics of western liberalism an excuse to point at how all our tough guys are terrified of being called racists! And handcuffed by the laws...

Well done Tarek. hahaha

btw, sorry about dissing Jeffrey Simpson. He is so much the George Will style that lumping him in with rightwing seems on automatic -and i haven't seen that much of Simpson since the impeach clinton days...plus i don't use or consume the bush crap they call newspapers anymore


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Sineed wrote:

Michael Enright is the best thing about Radio 1, IMV.  Like when Tariq Fatah started going on about Muslim extremists infiltrating CSIS, etc, and Michael said he sounded like Joe McCarthy going on about communists infiltrating the US gov't.

I have heard Tariq Fatah before - he's not wrong about Muslim extremism.  But his solutions seem to be substituting one form of fanaticism for another.  And even if there were hardline Islamists in CSIS, how is the "liberal left" to blame for that?

Not me I don't like Enright. I still remember how he spent an hour saying how useless and incompreshensable MMP was. I was canvasing that day and knew we were doomed because "older canadians like him don't get it." As he said. Also don't care much for the few times he interviews people on the left. The question type is a lot more hardball or muddy the water type questions then asking them for policy adn why like he does with the libs and cons.


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I agree with you, Thorin-bane. While I'm sure Enright and team think of themselves as serious small-l liberals, I find the show right-leaning both in Enright's line of questioning and in the choice of guests on the show (although that's often the producer's choice, not the host's). Political perception in Canada has shifted moved so far right that even those on the centre-right such as Enright are perceived by the public -- and think of themselves -- as progressive.  A deplorable situation. For a couple of years there, Enright seemed to do nothing but interview dinosaurs such as Margaret Macmillan, Barry Cooper, Preston Manning, etc. ad nauseum, and, looking like abject dummies, the show's team completely missed the looming economic crash of 2008, which it had been warned about well in advance by such listeners as myself. I often have had to turn my radio off in dismay.

If the small-c conservative public thinks programming on CBC such as "Sunday Morning" is so damned "liberal", one should ask why intellectual and vanguard documentarists/writers/activists/intelligentsia such as Pilger, Pinter (now of course dead), Chomsky, Paul Roberts, Catherine Austin Fitz, Tariq Ali, Nader, Hedges, Heinberg, Naomi Klein, Le Carre, Parenti, etc. -- not to mention the plethora of lesser-known but socially-aware and environmentally-committed unionists and academics from universities and left-wing think tanks across North America -- are rarely or never heard.


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And of course his interview with Parizeau, and later his look at Yukon goldrush characters would not suggest to you that he is primarily focused on Canadian events and history?  If you are turned off by one program and don't listen again, you are hardly likely to be a competent judge.

Pinning the label of centre-right on Michael Enright, and dissing one of the few programs with any historical detail,  demonstrates the depth of political ignorance in old Canuckistan, and gives cause for despair.


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George Victor wrote:

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Pinning the label of centre-right on Michael Enright, and dissing one of the few programs with any historical detail,  demonstrates the depth of political ignorance in old Canuckistan, and gives cause for despair.

- actually, the reverse of that is the case - trying to deny the general center-right stance of the CBC these days, with no real exceptions including Enright, would indidate the ignorance of most Cdns these days as to just how far to the right the entire political debate has been pushed these last 30 years. It's been a slow but steady decline for formerly center-left sorts like the CBC, but at some point during the last 10-15 years or so they definitely and completely crossed the line. Enright was kind of a living god in his days with Alan Maitland on As It Happens in the 70s and early 80s - but he seems stuck in those days, whilst the world has changed around him without him really realising it from his upper-managerial position. I wouldn't speak against him, he does indeed do a lot of good stuff still on his show - but I wouldn't speak for him anymore either, in terms of current relevance concerning anything really important. He seems to have a kind of touching belief that things today are as they were 30 years ago, in terms of the integrity of the system in general, which is simply not the case anymore. And he is not above some pretty shallow promotion of rightwing/neocon positions - I couldn't believe it last year or whenever it was the Ontario referendum was on PR when I heard him saying it was 'too difficult' for him to understand. He is not that stupid, there's nothing complicated about the idea of a party getting X% ov the vote getting X% of the seats, as opposed to the completely out-of-whack results FPTP gives us, so it was obvious he was shilling for somebody6.

And aside from that, outwest's final paragraph is the cruncher - why not deal with this, GV?:

"...If the small-c conservative public thinks programming on CBC such as "Sunday Morning" is so damned "liberal", one should ask why intellectual and vanguard documentarists/writers/activists/intelligentsia such as Pilger, Pinter (now of course dead), Chomsky, Paul Roberts, Catherine Austin Fitz, Tariq Ali, Nader, Hedges, Heinberg, Naomi Klein, Le Carre, Parenti, etc. -- not to mention the plethora of lesser-known but socially-aware and environmentally-committed unionists and academics from universities and left-wing think tanks across North America -- are rarely or never heard..."

Where are the *real* lefties and progressives such as these, GV, who really speak for the people, on the "lefty" CBC these days? Almost never to be heard, and the rare time one of them does get a bit of time, it's either very controlled or the interviewer is very hostile to ensure no discordant words disturb the passive Cdn from their belief in how great we are.

Enright is ok in his own limited way, but he is no longer relevant in terms of progressivism of any sort.

And believe me, I say that with regret and sadness.

 


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As do we all. I think David Grey did a much better job on cross conservative checkup, than good old rex. From top to bottom the CBC has been rotted from within. Michael Hlinka their business columnist is given 2 days a week to shout his pro free market crap in our NDP town. We already have the same thing on all the other channels including our own "professor" from the university of windsor. AND Hlinka has a column at CBC.ca.

I like how Mulcair took evan soloman to task last night for being pro conservative. That tells you where the CBC is today. An MP had to point out the CBCs host clear bias. This never happened back in the day. Yes you had a feeling of their political sway, but now its is just blatant. I listened to Sunday Edition for probably 10 years but after the MMP debacle I started tuning out and don't care at all anymore. It was stunning to me that it is somehow easier to understand FPTP than 66% elected and 33% topped up to represent true percentages in a multi party system. Sure open list vs close list-but really its harder explaining how 34% of the vote can and does equal a winner with the right split. Or how 38% can equal majority government.

The liberals started this when they put strusberg and rabinovitch in charge of the CBC. Something just a little more neocon to their liking. I don't think they forsaw a huge shift to the right that would even have them thinking the CBC was owned by the cons. As pointed out by chomsky, its not always about the hosts(though Evan Soloman proves otherise) but by the producer/publisher. They choose what is going to be the topics, and who the guests will be.

If the producer never puts on a left view there can be no complaints about how they are treated. But even in those instance you see how the questions are very different. Look at how mansbridge interviews layton vs the other two parties. The only time he has more disdain is when he talks to Gilles. Even then its a tough call who he talks down to more.

Look at how even the CBC helped with turning the coalition into a coup. They could have explained it and said it wasn't. They instead said nothing for fear of funding cuts. SAD. Why bother trying if this is your best effort.


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George, asking me to suffer through entire interviews with guests I've heard before and whom I consider to be shallow, illogical, and/or dishonest thinkers is akin to asking you to listen to hate-mongerers and jingoists on your favorite right-wing talk radio station in the name of "fairness" and being able to "judge them competently." I might do it once in a while to keep abreast of what the other side is saying, and usually listen to the whole interview of anyone new, but I won't do it every single day. I've lived long enough to know when I'm listening to a crock or not.

More importantly, my point is that Enright comes across as smooth-tongued progressive, but all too often his chosen guests foist what I consider to be regressive ideology on listeners, thus creating yet another obstacle to helping educate the citizenry. (I will say, however, that since the onset of the recession, his show has been improving somewhat. Perhaps his producers decided they made themselves look pretty foolish with guests who didn't have a clue what was happening when TSHTF.)


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thorin_bane wrote:

The liberals started this when they put strusberg and rabinovitch in charge of the CBC. Something just a little more neocon to their liking. I don't think they forsaw a huge shift to the right that would even have them thinking the CBC was owned by the cons. As pointed out by chomsky, its not always about the hosts(though Evan Soloman proves otherise) but by the producer/publisher. They choose what is going to be the topics, and who the guests will be.

If the producer never puts on a left view there can be no complaints about how they are treated. But even in those instance you see how the questions are very different. Look at how mansbridge interviews layton vs the other two parties. The only time he has more disdain is when he talks to Gilles. Even then its a tough call who he talks down to more.

Look at how even the CBC helped with turning the coalition into a coup. They could have explained it and said it wasn't. They instead said nothing for fear of funding cuts. SAD. Why bother trying if this is your best effort.

Wholly agree with the role Rabinovitch and Stursberg had in shifting the CBC to the right. At the time, policy wonks at Canadian Heritage were fixated with all of Canada's cultural agencies being perceived as elitist. The elitist meme was in its infancy back in the mid to late 90s. The democratization of arts and culture was code for promoting commercial, mass appeal product over everything else. The Liberals were being attacked relentlessly by the Reform Party at the time. ATIP requests over projects funded by Canada Council or the NAC allowed them to produce titles and content that they found offensive. In that climate, Rabinovitch was assigned the head job at CBC and his mandate was to make the CBC leaner and more commercially competitive.

I think CBC staffers feared the cutbacks more than anything. And the financial bleeding of the CBC did have an impact on the quality of programming but the shift in the nature of content produced was far more insidious. Things ramped up when Stursberg was brought in. The Walrus ran an excellent article on his reign. Burman hightailed it out of there with the focus changing from information to entertainment.

The rightward shift is really noticable on their public affairs and news programming. I agree with your examples, thorn_bane. I would add the hatchet job they did on Omar Khadr as another glaring example.


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"Enright is ok in his own limited way, but he is no longer relevant in terms of progressivism of any sort."

 

 

Progressivism, used as a catchall and increasingly meaningless concept - divorced from anything that the general public would understand, let alone appreciate - marks the descent of communication among "progressives" into pure prattle.


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How about Ideas? My once, and still at times, favourite cbc radio show. And now on The Massey Lectures, a novel read by author Douglas Coupland. I couldn't listen to it. And the promotion admits it was to attract a new, younger, hipper demographic. Is Douglas Coupland still young and hip - and new?

Anybody listen? Anybody bother any more?


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kathleen, I still love Ideas for the most part. But I was seriously disgusted that they invited Margaret Somerville to do a Massey Lecture.


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It is the first Massey Lecture that I have not been able to listen to since Towser was a pup.

Looking forward to real "Ideas" again.


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LL I agree I mena we could probably spit out dozens of examples with little effort. One of the biggest issues is the frozen budget. It was froze since the 90s and the big difference is the websites. Which means they need eyeballs going there for whatever ad revenue they generate off the web to help offset its costs. Sharing the budgets between so many mediums is really hurting them. TV/Radio/Net and both languages is a lot to strech out.

And commercials...holy cow. I think the CRTC must have changed the amount of commercials allowed on TV for all stations. What ever happened to the concept of pay TV so you have few commercials. It is actualy backwards to that now.

Radio was the last bastion of balance on the CBC and that is all but gone. Check out The House with Ms Petty or Chris Hall(who I considered on the right when it was don newmans politics show on newsworld) who are now called the left? What universe did I wake up in?

And Q continues on...Not like its that bad, just kinda dull. I really miss Northern Lights with Andrea Ratouski. Could get my classical fix without trying to find CBC radio 2(which plays a lot of jazz anyways or did)


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George Victor wrote:

"Enright is ok in his own limited way, but he is no longer relevant in terms of progressivism of any sort."

Progressivism, used as a catchall and increasingly meaningless concept - divorced from anything that the general public would understand, let alone appreciate - marks the descent of communication among "progressives" into pure prattle.

I suppose if you've been unaware of the slow but sure shift of the CBC from the center left to the center right over the last few years, it's not surprising you would be a bit unclear about terms like 'progress' or 'progressivism'. Your apparent fondness for books by capitalist-light authors is probably also part of your - ah - misunderstanding, as one of the many deceptions capitalists engage in is attempts to confuse their intended prey through attributing false definitions to words. Few Canadians (to keep the topic local) really understand what is meant by the ideas contained within words like 'capitalism' or 'socialism', for instance, as babble discussions demonstrate all too regularly - indeed, most seem to have very false ideas what the words mean - which contributes very centrally to the current dominance of a system designed to enslave and impoverish people, while they refuse to vote for people who actually would try to help them because they have been trained to associate such people with false ideas.
But regardless of capitalist deceptions, words do have meanings - and 'progressive' does have a meaning, whether you are in the kind of space you can grok it or not. 

You could find better examples of 'prattle' if you read some of these uninformed comments of yours before hitting the 'post' button, I think.


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Anna Maria Tremonti kind of lost it this morning on The Current. She practically barked at her interview guest, Omar Jamal. He is the First Secretary with Somalia's Mission to the United Nations.

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2010/11/17/nov-1710---pt-3-piracy-t...


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Gosh - I completely forgot about Margaret Somerville. Turned it off, tuned it out.

Seems it's been about 6 years now of Canadians giving the Massey Lectures - policy?

Ursula Franklin was the most remarkable lecturer in the series, in my experience. Life-changing even. So nothing wrong with Canadians delivering, depending on what they deliver. Not at all impressed or able to stick with Margaret Atwood's Debt series either although I was interested in the subject of debt. Ivan Illich was another life-changer.

Worst of it is they repeat the lectures in April so there are at least 2 weeks this year when I won't be able to listen Ideas.


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kathleen wrote:

How about Ideas? My once, and still at times, favourite cbc radio show. And now on The Massey Lectures, a novel read by author Douglas Coupland. I couldn't listen to it. And the promotion admits it was to attract a new, younger, hipper demographic. Is Douglas Coupland still young and hip - and new?

Anybody listen? Anybody bother any more?

Coupland said he would never read a novel that didn't have a telephone in it.  And CBC gives him a Massey Lecture.  On a par with cutting classical music out of the broadcast repertory.  Thank God for NPR internet streaming (check out KUSC).

Coupland also wrote the Marshall McLuhan entry for the Penguin's Extraordinary Canadian series.  It was basically juvenile drivel.  From what, a 45 year old man (how old is Coupland)?  There were pages and pages in the book that were nothing more than the results of running the words "Marshall McLuhan" through an internet anagram generator.  I kid you not.


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"juvenile drivel" ...  as to be expected from a society that adulates Disneyworld, the Wii, and oversized SUVs as the knee's bees. Coupland is merely representative of the simplistic but befuddled plastic thinking that passes for intellectual thought in our culture. Take a look at the average person's shopping cart at the grocery store - filled to the brim with preservative-filled, shrink-wrapped, fake & dead food - with perhaps a bunch of bananas or a plastic bag of pesticide-sprayed salad thrown in for "nutrition."


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Carol Off is about to interview Liz May in Cancun...who will explain, apparently, why Canada is again rated the dreck.


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Carol Off is being joined as the As It Happens co-host by the Molson's Joe "I Am Canadian" ranter (Jeff Douglas) on Jan. 4. Hopefully he'll be as entertaining as a couple of predecessors...Alan (Fireside Al) Maitland and Barbard Budd.


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So, all that nonsense about needing to show Budd the door so that they could replace her with a journalist wasn't true? I'm shocked.


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Just par for the course of moving out anyone older than super hip and kewl 30 somethings-as a 30 something I find this attitiude insulting. I don't want hip and kewl...I want facts. CBC is being destroyed from within, just another example of making us hate it as much as the right so we won't bitch when it gets shut down and they can have total control of media.


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Whata fucking crock of shit! Time for a bring back Budd movement.


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Barbara entertained.  After hearing an interview with Douglas, who sounds like a likeable fella, I expect to be entertained again.  Perhaps CBC heard our complaints.


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I'm a big fan of the show.  I was never nuts for either Off or Budd, but if I had to choose I'd ditch the former not the latter.  I'm open to the new guy.

As an unabashed nostalgic, I like the predictability of AIH.  I must say, however, that the show is likely in need of an update beyond a new host.  The show, its format, and its writing (in particular) are sounding very tired.  This likely appeals to a majority of its listeners (including me) but I gotta admit it, it's old hat.  It would be interesting to see if there was data on listenership and any trends in that regard.  I wonder how long it will be until it has run its course.


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Who are we kidding? AIH is on a time slot that is not going to be listened to by young people. Trying to appeal to that demographic is useless.

As for listeners, why chanage it up and get their core demographic upset?


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Back in the early 70s when I was 12-13, I used to listen to As it Happens every night after supper, while I did the dishes.   I guess Babs Frum used to appeal to a younger demographic than do the current hosts.


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And there's just the possibility that the younger demographic today has more to entertain, divert, placate........zzzz Heck, there's the modern dishwasher, made in Germany, Italy, and until next year, Montreal.


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CBC Radio 1 Toronto "the Current" panel is discussing the death of middle class Toronto, the disappearance of a "middle", the growing impoverishment of the burbs. Sociologists. Political scientists, authors.

All explaining why Ford is in the catbird's seat. Leaving us open to further "opportunistic, facile populism."  People have "lost hope" that following generations will be better off.  The sociologists don't get to the reality of the economic change, of course...nothing like Reich and the new capitalism...particularly the investment capital variety. (Sounds a bit like babble, in that regard..Wink  Heck, someone even said that if a country adds 1 per cent to its population each year through immigration, it has to also be more concerned with education and health etc.

But, of course, one must not touch the category immigration.  Gets you suspended , if not banned.

For anyone interested in Canadian political reality. Hear how its about more than the political leaders, U.S. or Canadian.


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The Current then carried an interview with John "Rich Man's War" Trudell.  I am going to look for his writing and music. Helluva insightful take on our current situation... historically based and centered on social class, beyond simple cultural alienation.

Not bad stuff for an irrelevant network.  Not to be found elsewhere.


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peter mansbridge is- the term 'interviewing' applies though i sorta considered something more xxx rated! - rex murphy, who had a heart attack and lookled into the abyss and...well both of these publicly funded cheaters should be peddling their butts on mike duffy's old corner (and mansbridge knows mister pig's gonna take care of him re the 'senate' when he abandons ship; though he shure mucked up ian hanomansing when that opinion-less bore was reaching for the brass ring a few years ago (mansbridge spent hours heating it up with a blowtorch, i suspect)

btw, "Frank' magazine was where these two bit media hirelings used to be exposed. I miss Frank magazine, still....maybe we outta start a 'Frank' magazine corner here at Babble to air all the ...for example-  didya KNOW Mike Harris collect $38k month pension from poor taxpayers while golfing with nazipooh buddies in ari-zoner? Or that 300 (plus) under forty years old policemen RETIRE evey year in Canada- and thus get to devote their $50k/year busybodies to advocating for rightwing reactionaries against socialism etc! Or that 911 was inside job? Or that $ tens/millions public funds are used to subsidise rightwing media, or that interest rates are literally TAXES on loans (which puts ursurious rates of the cc companies-run by rightwing goons- in different light), or that vast sums corporate funds are - a never seen before phenomenon- being used IN SECRET to prop up the stock markets despite worldwide disasterous economic indicators crying out for investment in jobs and so on!

Btw, rex looked and sounded like he knew he had sold out the Commons for mister pig- though peter mansbridge was all over the heroic suffering fellow (whose rex said, father was 'my age' in the early 70's more then 35 years ago! My foster dad, injured badly fighting fascism in WW2 , never even saw his 70th birthday...)


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I could swear that CBC AM, CBC FM, and Radio Canada, right at this moment, are all playing the exact same choral piece. I could be wrong, I may be exaggerating a bit, but I think at least English and French FM are.

Which would be a minor complaint of mine, that CBC Eng and French FM do often have the same kinds of programming on at the same time. Like opera on Saturday afternoons.


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I was somewhat enjoying CBC's Season in Song performance on Radio One until they featured freaking Justin Beiber singing a smaltzy song called "Prayer". Yuck!


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Hope you caught the late "Fireside Al" Maitland's yearly Christmas Eve rendition of Frederic Forsyth's  "Good Shepherd" .....

The Canadian Tenors drowned out Justin in Radio One's gathering of songsters...including  Paul the Ancient Anka.


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I am so glad I found this site. Thanks to whomever set it up and links pages together (thorin_bane?)!

 

So much to say, so starting with the CBC highlight of 2010: Barbara Budd leaves AIH.

This was a huge deal for me, as I sum up my thoughts of her simply as "Smarmy Barbara".  The way she butchered Howden's delicate, playful, and witty humour was atrocious.  Bordering on comedicide.  A real crimedy.  Meh, I'm doing it just thinking about it.

A particularly vivid example for me was her reading O Henry's Xmas tale last year.

 

It's not that her broadcast voice isn't pleasant, when she's not hamming it up, but I think she was just ... there too long.  And perhaps I began noticing it when Howden began writing, but I'm not sure.

 


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Someone posted a comment about visiting CBC's website and finding the page full of "thumbs up" votes, when they hadn't yet cast any votes.

 

I can confirm experiencing it, but not for a while now.

 

[Edit]

It has JUST happened to me (2010/12/31 14:01pst): I went to a comment page and found that I'd voted down two comments already. 

Fortunately I would've voted them down anyway, but it's a story about Xtra West's newspapaper boxes being vandalized and investigated as a hate crime.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/12/31/bc-xtra-newsp...


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Anyone notice the BC "dream team" drive show hosts this week?

Stephen Quinn from On The Coast is guest-hosting The Early Edition, and Shiral Tobin, programme director of The Early Edition is guest-hosting On The Coast.

 

Stephen is witty and fun and took On The Coast from a show that was on the radio to a show that one had to listen to.  He was the story of ... whatever year he took over, 2008?

Shiral was a producer for Rafe Mair at CKNW way back.  Her on air personality is absolutely delightful to listen to.  Her vocal inflections are playful and I just find them utterly & ticklish.

 

Honourable mention to Matthew Lazen-Rider, producer with OTC who sat in the big chair one day this week.  He could also host his own show quite competently.

 

So, in summary, fire Rick Cluff and give his AM drive show to Shiral Tobin.  Win for listeners, win for CBC.

I could do a whole post just on my thoughts about Cluff, whom I think is trying for Larger than Life, but ends up, similar to Budd, as self-caricature.  Like Budd, I think he's just ... been around too long.

He's not bad with election night coverage, and his afternoon compilation of regional stories (The Word from Here?) is okay too.


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Final post here for tonight.

 

Miyoung Lee hasn't been seen nor heard from since just after the Olympics.

She's a competent reporter, can't comment on her investigative skills, however I think she's one of the best news readers on the Mother Corp.  I think of her as an anti-Sandi Rinaldo.

 

A rather quick pace with, again, just-right vocal inflections without trying to "feel" the news for me.

 

Anyone know what became of her, or if she's coming back.  I'd tune in another station just to hear her read news.  Then I'd turn it back to CBC right away, of course.


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Welcome to babble, remember to look at the policy lest you step on the wrong toes. We all try to keep things in a coherant order of some kind, but a lot of threads are throw aways or repeats so not all of them are as neatly catalogued as the CBC nerdz thread.

I try to practice decent neticate when possible. For Example when I link to another site, I like to take a paragraph or two and paste it here. Then use the quote function(BTW babble is sometimes goofy for functions) or Bold to make it known that is the snippet. Then comment back in regular font. Of course not everyone has to do that. I just find it better so people have an idea of what the link is for, and a snippet is sometimes good enough for deciding if its worth your time at the link or to continue the discussion here. For example the polling threads. Most people don't need to use the link with the numbers right there.

You may know all of this already, or have your own style that works. Anyway welcome aboard. Hopefully you find interesting conversation.


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It's happening again. CBC 2 and Radio Canada are playing the exact same opera piece right now. Same time and everything. Why would they do this?


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Broke?

Desperately broke?


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It's probably just an automated playlist, it being the holiday, but how hard can it be to use a different playlist at least Frown ?


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Michael Enright  this morning interviewed the first historian to win the "Nobel of the Humanities" :

Holberg International Memorial Prize 2010: Natalie Zemon Davis ...

Decentered history is one of Holberg Prize Laureate Natalie Zemon Davis's main interests. In a long series of books, such as Fiction in the Archives (1987), ...

The delightful 82-year-old, who, persecuted like her husand in the age of McCarthy, joined her husband and became a Canadian citizen after several years of teaching in the U.S. She's already given the bulk of the $800,000 prize to organizations in need.


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Just bought a new phone this past weekend after a mishap involving some beer spillage. I'm very much a low-key cell user -- if it fires off messages and rings, it's good enough for me! But this new one has quite a few gadgets that my old one didn't have. One of these gadgets is an FM radio tuner, which means I can start listening to CBC radio on the go. I used to be an avid podcast listener, but as roles at work have shifted around slightly, I haven't had the time in the past year or so. I'm looking forward to being able to hear some of the changes that have taken place at the Ceeb in the last year and a bit (and hopefully that means being active on this thread again like I once was!)


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Well I heard a new Ad for a crappyy new show. "Backbencher" All I know is I heard a woman yelling at the opposition bench being a bunch of treehuggers. This should go over well. They have destroyed CBC TV and are now going to finish the job they started on Radio 1. More docu-drivel on the radio...gee just what I asked santa for. Oh wait I asked for substantive news and less infotainment. I guess it was bizarro santa that got my message.

I was depressed hearing the ad and knowing the CBC is cricling the drain. It wouldn't take much for Harper to get his wish and see the CBC gutted. Those of us who use to support it can no longer recognize it as worth saving...damned if we do damned if don't. Save it and it becomes more of a propaganada arm, lose it and we will never have even a remotely central voice left in canada just corporate right wing lies and fluff.


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You are into capitulation, aren't you!  Cheer up. We'll toss the neo-con bastards yet!


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Isn't Backbencher written by Wendy Lill, former NDP MP?


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Anyone hear the piece on The Current this morning about terrorism against Cuba?

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fthecurrent%2Fe...

 


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http://www.cbc.ca/backbencher/

In Backbencher we follow the story of Nellie Gordon, a paramedic from East Nova in Nova Scotia who decides to run for MP on a whim and, much to everyone's surprise, gets elected. We go into caucus meetings, the hallways of Parliament and the House of Commons itself and experience it all from Nellie's perspective each and every episode.

Life as an MP is a physical, mental and ethical workout -- every day. And that's what this series is about, a view from the backbenches of the House of Commons; one woman's journey through the snake pit of Canadian politics.

Backbencher is written by Wendy Lill, the award winning Canadian playwright and two-term MP from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. Script Editor for the series is Dave Carley.  The show is produced in CBC Halifax by Recording Engineer Pat Martin, Associate Producer Maggie Rahr and the Producer is Peggy Hemsworth. The Executive Producer is Tom Anniko.


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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Anyone hear the piece on The Current this morning about terrorism against Cuba?

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fthecurrent%2Fe...

 

 

I heard it. More like this please.

I suspect that Backbencher might be good. I like Wendy Lill.


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Didn't like the ad...I might give it a try,


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This evening is Jeff Douglas's first day as host of AIH.  It's just approaching the end of part 1.

He seems to fit in nicely and handles the humour quite competently.  It was quite a story about hosts in various contexts - I wonder if they've been sitting on the story until today, just to welcome him.  Howden's writing seemed to shine through just fine.

I'd love to hear others' comments on the new host of AIH...  Meanwhile, I'll go back to listening after the break.


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I only caught about 20 minutes if that of AIH, near the end. Sounded good but I guess I should catch a full episode before I weigh in on Jeff Douglas.


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Backbencher is actually quite good, certainly waaaaaaaay better than Afghanada or Canadia 2056 and more compelling than Monsoon House. Apparently Nellie is a composite of a few MPs, one of whom may or may not be Megan Leslie.

Best news out of the Mother Corp. for the the new year? The Age of Persuasion returns this Saturday.


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11:30 a.m. I can hardly wait, Scott.


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Afghanada is terrible.  It's as if someone first came up with the catchy name, and then had to make a show around it.

I'm not a huge fan of As It Happens' writing, particularly with regard to the aww-shucks-I-see-it-comin'-from-a-mile-away humour, but I thought Jeff Douglas was competent and likeable.  He may grow on people.


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Scott Piatkowski wrote:

Best news out of the Mother Corp. for the the new year? The Age of Persuasion returns this Saturday.

I didn't know it had gone. I hope 11:30am means our region too. I never got to hear it at either of its other times.

Backbencher has been running for a while now, hasn't it? I find myself listening in when I hit upon it despite the show's obvious desire to define the word "feisty".


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OK OK ill give it a try. I remember hearing TAoP a few years ago when it premiered. Such an informative show. While it shows how ads work, it shows how ads work. Very instructive in how the other side wages war. You can actually see how this relates to things that come out of the PMO.


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I thought they'd be airing new episodes of Backbencher, but they are just repeating the first set of episodes. Cry


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Dissenting opinion: I don't like Age of Persuasion.  I think it is a candidate for best produced show on CBC Radio.  It certainly isn't the most varied show on the airwaves.  

Let me summarize the next couple episodes: it's about advertising and messaging.  That's all folks.  Full stop.  

It's produced, I believe, by, gasp, a private ad company.  Talk about double dipping.  Make money in the world of advertising, then scoop some public funds, too, by telling tales from the world of advertising.  Quite a feat, really.

I think it's a decent show, and it probably has a place on public radio.  But that doesn't mean I like it that much.  Its production values trump its content.  Style over substance... something like... advertising.

I don't like Joe Canadian as the AIH host.  He sounds bored.

I note that This American Life is now being played on CBC, Sunday nights.  Weird how a show like this has been going on for so long, has been so celebrated and awarded, and has had some regular Canadian contributors... but there's nothing like it on CBC, with the same kind of content.  We get Age of Persuasion, instead perhaps, of innovative storytelling.

I'd be curious to know what CBC is paying for the rights to broadcast This American Life.  Maybe public radio orgs cut cheap deals with one another....  Hard to say.  

CBC has a new boss, too.  Kristine Stewart takes over, officially, for the recently departed King Richard Stursberg.  Stewart brought in Tudors, Dragon's Den, and I think played a role in late night Strombo.  Hopefully she was also part of the decision to cut Strombo down to a half hour a night, indicating she's at least willing to admit to a mistake.  She has a TV background, and what that bodes for radio is going to be interesting to follow.  

 


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I don't know much about Kristine Stewart but her name seems familiar. Was she involved with private broadcasting? I  don't know why, but I keep thinking news when I hear her name.

 

ETA: correction on name


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WOW farmpunk weird. AoP isn't just advertising. It shows how they manipulate their listeners and viewers. O Rielly even says as much. Its about how we are manipulated by flimsy pretense. He also gives interesting background on the ad campiahns and products. Like the real life Dr Kellog. Most of the ads are from a long time ago, so the production value costs are low, and teh companies aren't making money off the ads. Sometimes the old jingles are cool to hear like Tab or the first few Diet Pepsi. I remember those from when I was young. I was also sadened by cutting strombo. He is the closest thing we have left on the CBC to a progressive voice. YOu don't have to like his schtick, but the show is informative and has great guests. His chomsky interview is terrific.

The tudors is a great show if you like period pieces. The CBC are partly responsible for funding it in fact. Looking forward to the donald sutherland show pillars of the earth(i think)...though I wish dragons den had never ever seen the light of day. There is was to many of these jerks already. This is a show we imported from england I believe. I know they have one just not sure which came first. O'leary and company can go back to being jerk on their own dime.

I have a lot of other a programs that get under my nerves way more than AoP or Strombo and the Tudors. Start by pulling the plug on propaganada, get rid of Q or they could shorten it. The afternoon schedule is very hit and miss, and they are using repeat programming at night. Use to have northern lights. On TV...well I don't even watch much of CBC anymore because their news is now infotainment with gimics. Powerplay and Don Martin(CTV) isn't half bad BTW. I have never been a cournation street fan, but I don't begrudge the ex-brits here or people that got sucked into a 7:00 soap. AT least the characters are realistic.

But they don't even have much comedy left. The reality shows drive me crazy and so does jeopardy and wheel. Those are the time slots our comedies could go into. Spend time with the kids after supper then to the more dramatic or serious programs at 8:00(though here cory is on at 7 unlike nationally)...I still like marketplace and 5th estate. Doczone is good. I still can't complain about the CBC programs too much other than Dragons den or whatever reality program they have on like the town trying to lose 1 ton. Or the one when all the wives left town and all the men look like complete idiots because they only use moron footage.


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Kristine Stewart was known as Kristine Layfield when she first joined the CBC some years back. She was previously head of lifestyle programming (read "developer of reality shows") for Alliance Atlantis -- and yes, that fact does indeed help one to understand some of the direction CBC programming has taken in recent years.


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double post nuthin to see here whoops


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Age of Persuasion just doesn't grab me.  I find the show repetitive.  It is very slickly produced, and more CBC shows should be paying attention to the way the show is put together.  Lots of sound, a emphasis on storytelling.  I think CBC Radio has gotten away from using sound in its non-news\current affairs shows.  A show like Spark, for instance, is just a boring talk show basically about the internet.  

Strombo, progressive?  Eeep.  Just because he wears eyeliner doesn't make him progressive, heh.  A friend of mine went to see his show being taped.  After the show was done, Strombo gave out prizes if people could answer questions about him: What's the name of my pet?  

Puke.  Get some more Cdn guests on your Cdn produced and funded show George, and I'll give you a chance.  An intimate interview with Hulk Hogan doesn't cut it for me.

Whoa, Thorin, an entire post about the CBC and not one mention of Evan Solomon?  Developing a soft spot?

Lifestyle programming...  I love that term, and thanks for the heads up asterix.  

Dragon's Den is a rip off from a BBC show, I believe.  I don't watch it, but I was at one of their pre-production events in London.  A crew came in and put a rather large group of prospective business people through a mock-trial.  It was really neat, and the people who came forward with ideas were engaged people, an oddball collection of inventors and space cadets.  

O'Leary is genuinely annoying.  He's now invading the radio, too, with some very bland investing and business tips.  I think O'Leary is a pretty decent interviewer the few times I've watched LandL Exchange.  He's snide with pols and businesspeople alike, and the Ceeb could occasionally use some attitude.

 


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LOL re Evan...I am content knowing that most of his viewers dispise him. Check the CBC question of the day for P&P. I now am watching Powerplay when I can with Don Martin. He is more balanced than Evan..As Shatner would say "Is that weird or what?" Or rather points how awful that scumbag is.

Well Strombo is the one who advocated for Tommy Douglas as the greatest canadian. He was into punk music and anti-establishment even if he is part of it. If you watch his show he is always taking shots at Harper and Iggy. SO yes I would say he is progressive. He mentions our priorities on his show. And he regularly has canadians on. Michael Buble(sp) Eugene Levy, Gord Downie, Dave Thomas, Political figures. Hockey players. Just to name a few. He may not be a full blown socialist or marxist, but definetly closer to our side than One on One with peter "conservative softballs" mansbridge.

His interview of henry rollins was very enlightening. They talked a lot about Tehran and rollins trips to the middle east putting a human face to the people from those countries. The new format doesn't allow him the time he afforded his guests in the past.

I will give him a pas with the cult of personality crap. Look at colbert, its what made him famous. And I may not alwasy agree with colbert and stewart. They are more progressive than the sea around them.

 

Found a list of some notable guests.

Some of the previous guests have included: M.I.A., Eckhart Tolle, Chris Jericho, Tom Cruise, Bill Maher, Sarah Palin, James Cameron, Robert F. Kennedy Jr, Marlee Matlin, Tim Robbins, Spike Lee, Ricky Gervais, Tony Bennett, Greg Kinnear, John Legend, David Byrne, former President of the United States Jimmy Carter, Larry King, LeBron James, Henry Rollins, Evangeline Lilly, former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, Alanis Morissette, Malcolm Gladwell, Richard Branson, Howard Zinn, Kings of Leon, Sean Avery, former Canadian Prime Ministers Paul Martin and Brian Mulroney, P!nk, Smashing Pumpkins, David Suzuki, Mike Holmes, Douglas Coupland, Naomi Klein, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Tammet, David Thewlis, Larry Charles, Dana White, Tony Robbins, Gordon Ramsay, Dave Salmoni and Adrien Brody.

George conducted the last public interview granted by journalist and social activist June Callwood before her death.

 

Oh you don't like spark...Thats one of the afternoon shows I like. I don't care for the Shelagh Rogers next chapters vehicle. I prefer her sounds like canada...but meh. Spark is techy and I like it.. I won't hear it much after this week though. I am suppose to be going back to work. And if I can manage to hide my MP3 PLayer I will back to books on tape.


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Not sure why chomsky didn't make that list because I remember him being on via satellite. George Galloway has been on more than once. I know he did one on sat from the US, and was recently in studio.


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Farmpunk...got my soloman complaint of the day. Not only is jackwagon Flannagan still on...you know haha lets assassinate people, but they now have a new right wing pundit. The new president of the NCC stephan taylor bleh! More stooges to spew conservtaive talking points. As if Tasha from the National Post didn't make me want to drop kick my TV along with 95% of guests on the show. Only people I like are Kaddy, Ian, Rob Russo, sometimes weston and delacourt when she gets on. Thats it out of some 25 regular guests. They almost never have anyone from CCPA but NCC, CTF, Bankers, Economists, CCC, BNFI(or whatever they rename it to) bullshitter MP's, and crappy CBC personal like Petty, and Hall....hey no problem. Dimitry Soudas come on whenever something needs to be "corrected" the guy has an open invitation.' Where the heck

Can't wait to vote out this government and replace this stupuid political show and bring back stable funding to the CBC. Maybe we can get some quality INFORMATION and less entertainment and damn stupid props by flannagan. My dad keeps cursing at me for getting his blood pressure up by turning it on when I am over for dinner. He hates the show almost as much as I do.


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I was mildly shocked last night while listening to the presenter on the 6:00 news say, among other criticisms,  that Sarah Palin's "blood libel" comments had "sullied" the day of memorial for the victims of the Tucson shootings. 


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The Age of Persuasion is also being played at 2:30 pm Thursdays.


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Just turned it on. Thanks, Scott.


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Here's a digital broadcast of last week's "The Age of Persuasion":

http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/aop_20110108_42968.mp3

 

I heard this while driving to St. Brieux last Saturday, so what I'm hearing reminds me of the landscape near there.


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clandestiny wrote:

When 'Enleft' (as someone renamed Michael recently!) reacted to a guest mentioning the 911 attack by suggesting the USA then attacked an innocent nation, the rightwing nut shooed away the insolent truth and insisted (paraphrasing) the attack was 'by arabs and as iraq= arab, then...etc'. note: we're tilting at windmills fighting the reactionarky rightwing!

On CTV 'question period" Jeffrey simpson debunked the 'teaparty movement' nonsense that the lapdog media proclaims as indicated by ROb Ford mayoral victory by pointing out the Rob ford phenomenon is almost entirely local- the rest of  muni's xcountry elected 'moderates'! Simpson looks like the rightwing lying liars he's linked with are starting to really annoy him (jane taber said 'i do' when simpson stated that he doesn't believe short term polls!) Taber should be embarassed. In interview with Mike Bullard last week she called Bullard an 'anamoly' when he said he thought there was alot more to the news then the superficial soundbites- he's very unusual because he doesn't just accept what the media says and leave it at that! She laffs at Bullard, but ...she must take lotsa showers! Craig Oliver is almost always walking on eggshells during QP... he plays down everything!

 

I hate to say it, but what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever.


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Being interviewed on Michael Enright's Sunday Morning...Anat Hoffman:

  • Female Israeli activist could be sent to prison for praying at ... 6 Jan 2011 ... An Israeli activist who defied orthodox Jewish custom by leading a group of women in open prayer at Jerusalem's Wailing Wall has been told ... Anat Hoffman has been awaiting her fate since being arrested in August amid ...
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    Ken Nordine turns 90 and his work is reviewed on Sunday morning's last hour:

    Ken Nordine's Word Jazz Web Site and Podcast - Home

    Listening to Jack Kerouac doing "Western Movies"

    Voodoo Drums: Jack Kerouac's Word Jazz

    Ritual Bonfire,Williams Bay Wisconsin


    Farmpunk
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    The Kerouac bit was my favourite. 


    al-Qa'bong
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     I don't know about that guy saying that Kerouac wanted to be a jazz musician. Ti Jean always thought of himself as a writer.

    Pollyanna Tremonti did her best Bob and Ray impression this morning, turning a discussion about Nietzsche into the Komodo Dragon Sketch.  It was as if she couldn't accept the interviewee's answers and had to keep repeating her questions.


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    That sounds like her style. You want a lot of laughs, watch when she interviews layton. Rude, interrupts, you can tell teh contempt she has for the NDP. I know that sounds over the top, but I really do get that inpression from the difference in the way she conducts her interviews depending on who is on.


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    Hubert Lacroix has announced a five-year plan for the CBC that will be more Canadian, and as the Globe's John Doyle notes, "the CBC is identified as a public broadcaster in the opening sentence of the corporation's news release...(which) hasn't been a CBC thing for anumber of years." A lot of American programming will be exchanged for Canadian.

    And for the first time in 20 years there's talk of expansion, regionally, "giving some CBC regional offices new equipment to deliver radio, TV and digital programming. The CBC will also create 'micro' news websites for large communities, the example the large Montreal suburb of Longueuil. Hamilton is another city under consideration for local coverage on the Internet."

    As Doyle writes: "Under Richard Stursberg's leadership, CBC TV walked away from culture..." 

    "The precariousness of the CBC's value as a public broadcaster and cultural institution has been clear for some time. It has divided, not united, Canadians. And nothing in the new plan is going to stop those droning voices calling for the CBC to be shut down because it costs money, it is left-wing and David Suzuki is an environmentalist. To those people, it doesn't matter that the CBC gets a pittance compared with the support other countries offer to their public broadcasters. But the CBC has given those voices too much ammunition in recent years. Now, it plans to do something that can be defended. To save its own life."

     


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    Closing for length.


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