Corruption

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wage zombie
Corruption

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wage zombie

I have noticed this word being used a lot lately.

In Ukraine, the word "corruption" has been used to justify regime change.  I have seen this here in the Ukraine thread, people writing that "even Putin" agrees that Yanukovich was corrupt.

I have also heard this word used in relation to the Ontario election, "corruption" being specified as the reason the NDP could no longer support the Wynne Liberals.

Does this word mean the same thing in both cases?

I get that there have been real money scandals with the Lib governments in Ontario--but in that case corruption seems to mean more or less "ya can't trust 'em".  Is that more or less all it meant in relation to Ukraine?

Unionist

"Corrupt" is a word like "terrorist" or "fundamentalist". You use it about people you don't like and against whom you want to stir up some passions. In normal usage, these words don't actually mean anything.

 

6079_Smith_W

Unionist wrote:

"Corrupt" is a word like "terrorist" or "fundamentalist". You use it about people you don't like and against whom you want to stir up some passions. In normal usage, these words don't actually mean anything.

Depends on who is using them. I agree they have been pretty bent out of shape, like a lot of buzz words, and they are often applied in a double standard.

But they do have fairly clear definitions, even if they are relative terms, and I don't think they are completely useless. 

For example, It's not that hard at all to make a case that our current government is, in some things, corrupt.

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:

But they do have fairly clear definitions, even if they are relative terms, and I don't think they are completely useless. 

For example, It's not that hard at all to make a case that our current government is, in some things, corrupt.

Yup just like there are some things that show that our current government is fascist partly because they claim that environmentalists are terrorists while appealing to the fundamentalists in their power base.

6079_Smith_W

Well you'll have to do a bit more than just toss words around, I admit.

Shovelling G8 money into Tony Clement's riding?

Changing election rules to benefit one's own party and harm others?

Robocalls? The in-out scandal?

Christian Paradis's conflict of interest regarding Rahim Jaffer?

The Duffy-Wright affair?

Just a couple of many examples of ethical breaches by Harper's government to benefit themselves and friends. Corruption.

Of course it helps when you include a bit of the evidence rather than just the screaming headline. Better still, hold back a bit on the epithets and let people draw their own conclusions.

 

wage zombie

Unionist wrote:

"Corrupt" is a word like "terrorist" or "fundamentalist". You use it about people you don't like and against whom you want to stir up some passions. In normal usage, these words don't actually mean anything.

That was my suspicion.

wage zombie

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Well you'll have to do a bit more than just toss words around, I admit.

Shovelling G8 money into Tony Clement's riding?

Changing election rules to benefit one's own party and harm others?

Robocalls? The in-out scandal?

Christian Paradis's conflict of interest regarding Rahim Jaffer?

The Duffy-Wright affair?

Just a couple of many examples of ethical breaches by Harper's government to benefit themselves and friends. Corruption.

If there was an Occupy-style protest against Harper I'd participate.  And if the opposition parties could somehow get enough conservative backbenchers to vote no-confidence, I'd cheer.

But it is such a contrived example, and not really much of a comparison to Ukraine, because when it comes to international policy, Harper is doing what he is told.

I suppose there is not much point in asking whether the "corruption" in the Wynne govt was bad enough to require large protests...considering the opposition parties did it on their own.

6079_Smith_W

I haven't been following Ontario all that closely, but whether it is something the opposition parties are exploiting  is kind of independent of whether there is actually evidence of corruption.

That's all I'm talking about - the fact that corruption is a real thing, with a real definition, and one can make a case as to whether it is there or not. 

As I said, I fully agree that a lot of people mis-use the term, or apply it only to people they disagree with.

 

Vicky_Sask

Unionist wrote:

"Corrupt" is a word like "terrorist" or "fundamentalist". You use it about people you don't like and against whom you want to stir up some passions. In normal usage, these words don't actually mean anything.

I agree they are nothing more than buzz words.  Just look at terrorist, there is street terrorist, environmental terrorist and violent terrorist (as apposed to the peaceful passive type.)  There really is no legal definition of terrorist, like murder you know exactly what that person has done.  

A wise person once said that the only difference between a Gerneral and a Terrorist depends on wheather or not they won.

Rokossovsky

wage zombie wrote:

Unionist wrote:

"Corrupt" is a word like "terrorist" or "fundamentalist". You use it about people you don't like and against whom you want to stir up some passions. In normal usage, these words don't actually mean anything.

That was my suspicion.

Yeah, its never used to precisely define a political process used for illigitimate personal gain, through fraud, graft or other means of using political influence to steal, especially not by anyone on "the left".

Quote:
It is precisely in America that we see best how there takes place this process of the state power making itself independent in relation to society, whose mere instrument it was originally intended to be. Here there exists no dynasty, no nobility, no standing army, beyond the few men keeping watch on the Indians, no bureaucracy with permanent posts or the right to pensions. And nevertheless we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends-and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate and plunder it.

Fredrick Engels 1891

Fredrick Engels: Right-wing populist?

What we really saw in Ontario in the last election, was an attempt to squash any language that impugned Liberal motives, by diveting the conversation away from the fundamentally corrupt practice of using public funds for private profit. Watching the Orwellian doublethink being applied to "define" the mere mention of "corruption" in regards to a political adversary as right-wing, was pretty corrupt, in and of itself.

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