CTV broke ethics code in Dion interview

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CTV broke ethics code in Dion interview

CTV broke ethics code in Dion interview: standards council
Last Updated: Thursday, May 28, 2009 | 9:26 AM ET Comments16Recommend68
The Canadian Press

The arbiter of ethics on the airwaves ruled Wednesday that CTV violated industry codes when it included three false starts in a broadcast of an election interview with then Liberal leader Stéphane Dion.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2009/05/28/ctv-dion-invu-standards-co...

martin dufresne

Damn right, they did.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

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CTV News president Robert Hurst expressed disappointment with the decision.

"We are deeply concerned by the tone and content of the council's decision as it is not the CBSC's role to police the nature of the questions any news organization chooses to pose to a public official," Hurst said in a written statement.

"CTV News also stands by the conduct of Atlantic Canada's most-watched news anchor Steve Murphy, one of the region's longest-serving and most respected journalists, who has been unfairly criticized throughout this process."

Wrong answer, asshat.

"Steve Murphy and his producer are fired" would have been appropriate. Barring that, how about a simple apology for your complicity in destroying the career of the Leader of the Opposition of the Parliament of Canada?

 

HeywoodFloyd

Bah! It's time we see the leaders with all their warts. Give the same treatment to Harper and Layton to level the playing field. Mind you, I have no doubt that Layton would have gotten that treatment from them, were the circumstances similar.

Debater

I agree with the ruling.  Even though language was one of Dion's many, many problems as a leader, an agreement is an agreement.  The network made the same promise to him that it has made to other leaders in the past - that it would not air the outtakes.  It blatantly broke that agreement.

That was then followed by Mike Duffy's disgraceful behaviour on Mike Duffy Live making fun of Dion (which Andrew Potter wrote a column condemning Duffy for) which was obviously part of Duffy's attempt to shill for a Conservative Senate seat.

remind remind's picture

The Canadian media is going beyond mere anti-democratic activities, to outright political intereference in elections.

Snert Snert's picture

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I have no doubt that Layton would have gotten that treatment from them, were the circumstances similar.

 

What about Harper? Do you have no doubts that he'd also have received the same?

Bookish Agrarian

The real culprit in all of this was Mike Duffy.  Thankfully he has been fully punished.  Oh wait- eerr.  hmmm?

HeywoodFloyd

Snert wrote:

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I have no doubt that Layton would have gotten that treatment from them, were the circumstances similar.

 

What about Harper? Do you have no doubts that he'd also have received the same?

No. It seems like a rule that the networks give the sitting PM a pass. Look at Cretien, who was unintelligible in most cases. I don't agree with this "rule" but it does seem to exist.

Remind, I wouldn't call it interference in an election any more than I would the press cleaning up the language and hiding the mis-queues as they have in the past. You could see this in the way the print media handled Cretien's speeches.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Wow. That's quite a pile of bullshit, Heywood.

HeywoodFloyd

What specifically, oh sage purchaser of punctuation?

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

The whole fingerpointing factless mess.

HeywoodFloyd

How have you so aptly put it in the past?

Oh that's right.....

*yawn*

Come on back to the big kids table when you have something to say.

toddsschneider

Notice the difference in treatment of two reprimands by the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council on the same news day:

1. CTV is reprimanded for the Dion interview, but the story is not featured on its news website; whereas:

2. Radio-Canada is reprimanded for Bye Bye 2008, and it is a feature article on the CBC/SRC news website.

thorin_bane

HeywoodFloyd wrote:

How have you so aptly put it in the past?

Oh that's right.....

*yawn*

Come on back to the big kids table when you have something to say.

Heywood typical con muddying the water,...meh meh it's the liberals fault. For once would you fuckers take responsibility for something you have done(or in same cases neglected like chaulk river). It's always someone elses fault, or they did it too bullshit. No instead you give out a merit badge and a senate seat to slander master Mike asshat Duffy.

I don't seem to remember JC getting a pass. They even allowed those horrible attack ads on his face to go through. It may have backfired, but since when could you make fun of someones appearance a reason they aren't good enough to be a leader?

Mr Floyd I would like you to meet mr kettle. Now you can also re-take your seat at the kids table.

You cons just don't get it , do ya.

HeywoodFloyd

What in the hell is with the water today?

1. What did I (as an individual or as a CPC supporter) do?

2. JC was the oppo leader at the time of the "face" ads, which fits in with my hypothesis.

I'm not quite sure why you're up in arms over what I said. Not that I really care.

martin dufresne

We understood so much. You wouldn't know ethics if it bit you in the ass, HF.

HeywoodFloyd

Anyone else? Or can I go back to my stirfry of kitten and baby seal hearts?

remind remind's picture

HeywoodFloyd wrote:
Remind, I wouldn't call it interference in an election any more than I would the press cleaning up the language and hiding the mis-queues as they have in the past. You could see this in the way the print media handled Cretien's speeches.

No heywood you can't, because you are setting an abitrary new standard of  "showing warts", starting from the Dion interference, to be appled equally henceforth apparently.

As you yourself stated, they have always cleaned up misques, language etc, for most all political interviews, that were not live. They changed this pattern to directly target Dion. They did not change it for anyone else. Just Dion. This fed directly into the CONservative created conceptual framework of Dion, and thus solidified it further. It is political interference, pure and simple. And they were slapped for it even. Though not enough IMV. Dion should sue their asses off, and so should the Liberal Party.

And these asshats wants us to write letters of support for them to save local broadcasting! Pffft.

Caissa

Is this gang up on Heywood day?

Murphy is the one who needs to be called to account. I can't wait to see how the ATV Evening News handles it tonight.

remind remind's picture

toddsschneider wrote:

Notice the difference in treatment of two reprimands by the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council on the same news day:

1. CTV is reprimanded for the Dion interview, but the story is not featured on its news website; whereas:

2. Radio-Canada is reprimanded for Bye Bye 2008, and it is a feature article on the CBC/SRC news website.

Interesting, i did not even know about the other case and do youhave a link?

HeywoodFloyd

remind wrote:

HeywoodFloyd wrote:
Remind, I wouldn't call it interference in an election any more than I would the press cleaning up the language and hiding the mis-queues as they have in the past. You could see this in the way the print media handled Cretien's speeches.

No heywood you can't, because you are setting an abitrary new standard of  "showing warts", starting from the Dion interference, to be appled equally henceforth apparently.

As you yourself stated, they have always cleaned up misques, language etc, for most all political interviews, that were not live. They changed this pattern to directly target Dion. They did not change it for anyone else. Just Dion. This fed directly into the CONservative created conceptual framework of Dion, and thus solidified it further. It is political interference, pure and simple. And they were slapped for it even. Though not enough IMV. Dion should sue their asses off, and so should the Liberal Party.

And these asshats wants us to write letters of support for them to save local broadcasting! Pffft.

I agree they changed the standard mid election. That's simply not fair. The Dion interview should not have been released the way it was. Especially since the reporter agreed not to use the outtakes. You can't change the rules of the game at half-time.  

A separate issue is if this new standard is ok. Maybe I wasn't clear but this new standard is what I'm agreeing to. If a leader can't speak in colloquial french and english (for example) then it shouldn't be hidden from people who are watching the interview. I like the new standard and I hope that all the networks go with it. As far as I'm concerned, hiding the warts is as much interference in an election as the Dion interview was.

RP.

I seriously didn't know that journalists had an ethical code.  Apparenly there's no real consequence for breaking it (correct me if I'm wrong).  I think that the signifiance attributed to this incident is more than a bit exagerated, though still infuriating.  Are we forgetting what a limp fish Dion was before and after this?  Getting burned by the media happens to all politicians, all the type, to expect otherwise would be naive.  Much ado about nothing.  Dry your eyes.  Give Steve Murphy a metaphorical spank on the bum and go buy underwear with his face on it. 

ETA:  Sorry, can't find the website that sells that anymore.

remind remind's picture

Okay heywood, then I agree with you, however, there will be no political interviews given, as you know quite well Harper would never allow his gaffs and the gaffs of his ministers shown. And if one segment won't allow it, neither will another segment of politicos.

And I agree RP.

thorin_bane

I won't give it a pass. Listen to the house on any saturday to see Chris Hall or Petty make their usual attack on non conservatives. This goes deeper than the attacks on Dion. It is the brutalizing of democracy by intentional subversion. The only thing different is it is happening to a lib. Remember the medias great work on the estate tax proposed by Layton. Or how about the homeless? I remember that as well. Then you hear nothing on 3,4,5 parties pretty much the rest of the non election phase. Now due to fixed election and minorities we are in constant election mode between cons and libs. Sickening.

HeywoodFloyd

So what the hell were you going on at me for then, thorin? You don't like the press? Fine.

But where did this come from?

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For once would you fuckers take responsibility for something you have done(or in same cases neglected like chaulk river). It's always someone elses fault, or they did it too bullshit.

Tommy_Paine

It's obvious CTV has become an organ of the Conservative  Party.  They should have their broadcast licence revoked.

 

remind remind's picture

Thorin my agreement with RP and heywood should be seen as my giving the media in canada a pass. I won't. IMV, they are playing political interference games, that are anti-democratic at best and treasonous, at worst. And I will state that each and every time I get a chance, both here and in the public realm. I have also written letters of boycott to their advertisers, and to the media themselves castigating them on their actions.

thorin_bane

Oh that's right.....

*yawn*

Come on back to the big kids table when you have something to say.-Heywood

It's the way the cons operate. Insults and strawmen. All the time. Maybe not always you  but conservatives in general is certainly the case. Instead of dealing with their mess they are too busy smearing everyone else than to be responsible and do SOMETHING. Remember the bleating in december about a govenrment COUP. This while the media gave carte blanche for this and any smear they came up with "The separatists and communist will be running the country" does that ring a bell. Then the house is prorogued. Don't want to take action, just hope the americans go do something while you guys sell off everything we have. I am so tired of listening to this crap. It's never conservatives faults.

They have been in power 3 F'n years. So either they aren't doing anything or it's ok because the libs did something similar.  Election laws...they don't apply to us like election financing laws. Like wiretapping. This while the rightwing media turns a blind eye. They won't even report this stuff. Hey look dion can't hardly speak right. Ho can he be a leader. Then the media obliges and gives a nice example. In return you give your leading man a nice plump senate seat, something your party also supposedly stood against. Nevermind the shit that gets tossed at the NDP on any given day. When the are actually reported about, not ever on.

 

HeywoodFloyd

So based on what you just said I'm going to wait politely for your apology for your entirely unwarranted personal attack.

Don't make it my fault that you mis-behaved. Would you take responsibility for something you've done?

Noise

It always seems there is a bias against the opposition parties in the media...this doesn't seem to different. 

CTV not posting this story on their site is kinda funny, more evidence of our fucked up media.

Is anyone aware what could happen to CTV for this?  Fines?   Get shut down that much quicker?

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

...be bailed out by the Conservatives that much quicker?

Noise

Bleh, I hope not.   Maybe we'll get lucky and Canwest will lobby the Cons to punish and finish off CTV so the Canwest chain can take their viewers.

Bookish Agrarian

Anyone that watched Bob Fife and Duffy's coverage of the election and didn't think they showed an undeclared Conserative bias should see their local eye doc.

High Anxiety

This is so 2008. Who cares?

thorin_bane

We'll here is your apology. Sorry, you are not an excuse making dbag like the people you elect. I don't suppose thats much better. But it is an apology of sorts. It wasn't directed at you unless you view yourself as part of the rightwing that likes to just place blame on everyone else while using the media to cover your ass. That is who it was directed at. I can't say as your posts are a lot less frequent anymore. So if you aren't in that category I am sorry. Otherwise I stand by my remarks.

NorthReport

Dion's treatment by CTV is just daily fare for what the Cons & the NDP receive at the hands of our charming CBC-TV personalities.

 

For once the Liberals weren't being fawned over by the media, and to hear them complain one would have to believe the world is coming to an end. Maybe it was, their world that is. I don't what can be worse that a whining Liberal.

 

Caissa

Steve Murphy did not deliver the news last night. He was conveniently "off."

toddsschneider

remind wrote:

Interesting, i did not even know about the other case and do youhave a link?

http://tinyurl.com/lvc5wf

remind remind's picture

Thanks todd.

NR I can agree with your position regarding the treatment of the NDP, by CBC and all the media, not so for the Cons though. They are cheer leadered equally as much as the Liberals are by the msm.

Noise

CBC takes consistent anti-conservative shots Remind.  Not that I mind...although they tend to be softer on the Cons when the Cons are in power.

thorin_bane

I would argue against that  for several reasons. Listen to the House on saturdays, Ms Petty and Chris hall. Very rightward. At issue Panel, Rex Murphy. The only reason it's seems they take shots is the Cons are doing so much bad crap that even traditional cons are annoyed. They are spending like drunken sailors on short leave with a monkey on thier shoulder. This annoyes fiscal conservatives more than us. But if it's other policy they let it slide. Don Martin makes all kinds of excuses for them and he is a columnist/panel guest on Politics..

HeywoodFloyd

This is the second time you've mentioned that show. Who watches that show? I know I've got better things to do on a Saturday night.

I'd say it's right wing because the left wingers are out having fun.

Bookish Agrarian

Not if they are married and have kids.  Then they are at home baking spelt bread and playing cooperative games and teaching their children all sorts of innappropriate things.Laughing

HeywoodFloyd

Heh. Well, I can't bake spelt bread but I do a mean steak salad with homemade croutons and a pomemgrante vinigarette.

remind remind's picture

Edmonton loves all things pomegrante! ;)

Speaking of bread I made honey oatmeal last night and I could literally throw it at someone and kill them, it turned out like a brick.

Thorin, is this Politics show on CBC main channel on Saturday nights? And I agree the CBC definitely sides with the Cons, though less so than the Liberals now that they know Harper will never get his majority and will perhaps lose his minority shortly..

However CTV and  Canwest Global are outrageous in their political interference for the Cons.

 

thorin_bane

They smell change in the air and they are shifting for what is percieved as the victor. So heywood may be correct to degee. I wouldn't say it is outright change as allowing the two horses free reign while not mentioning the others in the race.

Poltics is 5:00 pm on CBC newsworld EST(though it may be also time shift.) It also use to have other times during the broadcast day. Most recently 7:30 for a condensed version.

The House is on saturday Mornings at 9:08 AM after the news. Again EST but it may well timeshift, It use to have David Moskovich(SP) Who was a good host, very good questions all the way around, less NOTICABLE bias. It's inflection and tone that is an issue more so than questions. But you can pick up on it. Kathline Petty has had to read letters on the air routinely saying she is a rightwinger and the odd time a liberal. Also should be available in podcast. Remind if you have a friend with broadband. DL a few epidsodes(esp druing the election) put them on a flash(usb) drive bring them home and enjoy(or not).

http://www.cbc.ca/thehouse/audio.html

toddsschneider

Not only does CTV ignore its intra-industry chastisement on its website, this is the form letter I got back for complaining about the cover-up:

 

"Thanks for writing.

"Feedback on our stories and our site is important to us.  While we read every message sent to us, due to the volume of e-mail we get each day, we may not be able to respond to your message personally.

  •  

    • " Search: If you are writing to request information on a particular story you saw on CTV or CTV Newsnet, try entering likely key words in our “Search Site” function in the upper left portion of www.ctv.ca."

In other words: "Lalala, we're not listening".  So, I will see if the CRTC will. 

remind remind's picture

thorin_bane wrote:
They smell change in the air and they are shifting for what is percieved as the victor. So heywood may be correct to degee. I wouldn't say it is outright change as allowing the two horses free reign while not mentioning the others in the race.

Who is the victor thinking is of no value, in reality, nor should it be in news reporting, no matter the station.

The CBC  is run on tax payer dollars, everyone's tax dollars, not just this party or that party's  supporter's tax dollars, and thus they should cover evrything in a unbiased manner.

Even in respect to Canwest Global or CTV, Canwest just got a taxpayer bail out, so in essence we tax payers just paid them to misinform and keep news from us. They must be laughing all the way to the bank. And CTV wants all Canadians to write  in support of them and their local programing initiative, but yet they refuse to give unbiased and accurate coverage too.

What is even funnier to me, is that when rabble first started the right wingnuts and CONservative supporters were on here always, carrying on about how supposedly rabble was funded by tax payers and thus could not have the mandate it has. But yet nothing is being said these days about the other media outlets who are now tax payer funded, and their biases.

martin dufresne

Sample letter to advertisers:

"Oops... I used to be one of your clients, but I noticed you are advertising on CTV.

Bad move. Did you know that this network has been chastised by XXXXXXX as doing  YYYYY ? I am sure this is something you don't care to be associated with. My friends and I don't want anything to do with CTV and the corporations that patronize it.

Please let me know if you decide to change your mind and support a worthier TV outlet. I will be glad to give you my business again."

 

thorin_bane

Yeah funny how no mention about the CBC getting kicked in the crotch as being bad or the fact that their buddies are recieving MORE payments from the government. Often times peolpe forget or don't know that CTV Global also get public money for show, just not as much as the CBC which is in reality 6 divisions.