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cruisin_turtle wrote:

I don't mind an extreme right wing media outlet to enter the space as long a left wing outlet be allowed in as well.  I'm all for free media for all and let the people decide.

The point is: where is that left-wing TV news proposal ?

If it is not there (I don't see it), don't blame other groups for making their bids.

6079_Smith_W

cruisin_turtle wrote:

I don't mind an extreme right wing media outlet to enter the space as long a left wing outlet be allowed in as well.  I'm all for free media for all and let the people decide.

Of course, but the problem isn't press freedom so much as the imbalance of power. It's like Anatole France's quote about the equality of the rich and poor. Big media is driven by the businesses whose interests it protects and promotes.

Also, the notion that ANY news source is the absolute truth (which politically aware people see, but the majority of people do not) is a problem. I wouldn't care about slanted news as much if people understood how to look at it critically.

Off topic, here's a charming little tidbit I found on boingboing this morning:

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/special_report/library-taxes-closed...

 

George Victor

In the U.S. they have formed Media Matters for America ("help us hold the media accountable") which attempts to hold the Limbaughs accountable:

Hour 3: Limbaugh refers to Americans United for Change as a "union thug group"

April 28, 2009 3:42 pm ET

This hour of the Limbaugh Wire brought to you by the car of Rush's boyhood dreams
By Simon Maloy

One more hour to go, and Rush got it started by claiming that he couldn't believe he was being criticized for "laughing too much" at the Air Force One flyover. What's funny, according to Rush, is how the media treats Obama like a sitcom, all the while Chrysler and GM have bent over and "grabbed their ankles" for Obama. Rush then claimed that he "wouldn't be surprised if what they were doing" with the flyover "was collecting footage, B-roll for the next 'Obama for President' campaign." Rush elaborated: "They're up there -- it's for Obama. And I -- you know, maybe they're surveying the Statue of Liberty from Air Force One, replacing that statue with one of Obama in 2013, who knows? I don't know, folks. I'm just telling you none of it computes. None of the official explanations compute."

After repeating his thoughts on "Don Obama" and his UAW footsoldiers taking over Chrysler and GM, Rush read from a Washington Post article on GM shedding the Pontiac, Hummer, Saturn, and Saab lines of cars. Rush was sadly wistful upon reading this, noting that his first car was a Pontiac, and that bands like the Beach Boys used to sing about these cars. Then he switched from wistful back to... well, normal: "I'm just seeing a bunch of Tony Sopranos as car salesman now." Rush then counseled his listeners that if they want to buy a GM automobile, the time might be now. There were many reasons Rush suggested that they buy GM, not least the fact that if "[y]ou lose your job, they'll make the car payment up to 500 bucks a month, up to nine months." We've said it before and we'll say it again -- here are Rush's original, non-hypocritical thoughts on this very same GM program: "Yeah, OK, well -- ask you a question here: With whose money are they going to pay for your car payment? Mine, dingleberry, and every other taxpayer's."

Leading into the break, Rush explained why there have been more cases of swine flu -- and more deaths -- in Mexico than in the United States: They have socialized medicine, and we don't... yet.

After the break, Rush took a call from a man who had not been listening to Rush the past couple of hours (nor reading the Limbaugh Wire, apparently) and asked El Rushbo to once again offer his thoughts on the Specter defection. Rush dutifully obliged: It's no great loss for the party; he was going to lose against Pat Toomey; and he didn't receive the accolades he expected for opposing the Employee Free Choice Act. Rush was again surprised that he never hears from the media how the Democratic Party has to be a moderate, big tent party. Really? We never hear that from the media?

Rush then took a caller who wanted Rush's opinion on what Specter's legacy will be. Rush's opinion was: "Who cares?!" Rush explained that legacies will be different depending on your perspective, and that he doesn't care much about legacies because Rush always looks forward, not back.

After the break, Rush noted that Gallup's latest poll was slightly out of line with other recent polls in that it put Obama's approval rating at 56 percent, which was lower (at this point of his presidency) than five of the six presidents who preceded him. And yet, Rush said, these poll numbers are being reported by the media as a great triumph for Obama, even though "these first 100 days have been a disaster." This demonstrates, according to Rush, that there is a huge gap between what is "news" and what is "fact." To us, it demonstrates that a 56-percent approval rating is still rightly viewed as a pretty good thing for a president to have.

After a quick plug for The Heritage Foundation and a commercial time out, Rush took a call from a man who found it unbelievable, in his "limited experience," that the executive branch didn't know what was going on with Air Force One. Rush agreed, but cautioned that this was just a minor incident. Wait until the stimulus plan starts "wrecking" the country, Rush counseled, then you'll see some impressive denials of what Obama did and did not know.

Rush's next caller explained why a photo shoot would be arranged for Air Force One -- the flight crew probably gives signed photos to the staff at military bases and airports as thank-you gifts for accommodating the president's jet. Rush was glad to know there is a reason for these photos to be taken, but insisted on knowing when was the last time there was an Air Force One photo shoot and where it took place. There is probably a simple explanation for all of this, Rush said, but the denials from the White Hose "raise red flags."

One more break and Rush came back reading a "hilarious" statement from the "union thug group," Americans United for Change, which said Specter's decision is the "ultimate rejection" of the "Limbaugh-led party of no." Rush then aired some sound bites of Specter saying that wasn't going to let the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate judge his 29-year record, and that he still opposes EFCA. Rush said Specter had "firebombed" Pennsylvania Republicans, and that he'll have to remember Specter saying he still opposes EFCA, because, just last month, Specter said he wasn't going to leave the GOP.

Well, that's a wrap for today's Limbaugh Wire. It's always fun when our nose for conspiracy theorism turns out to be spot-on -- though in fairness, it's not tough to sniff 'em out when listening to Rush these days. We'll see you all tomorrow. Until then, Media Matters' ever-growing and thoroughly informative Limbaugh archives are at your beck and call.

Highlights from Hour 3

George Victor

Yeah, "Let the people decide."     Laughing

George Victor

Sven wrote:

cruisin_turtle wrote:

We used to have a centre-left in papers like the Toronto Star but that management was outsted and now we don't have anybody representing the centre-left let alone the actual left.

Maybe not media in the form of dead trees.  But, reading left-wing news and opinion is merely a click away.

You'd have to read the piece by a Globe and Mail design editor in today's paper - how she took her family to the protest and got shot in the back with a rubber bullet...one of those that the T.O. police "never fired" - to understand that there is still a "dead tree" media that counts.  And if you bothered to read the business pages, you would know exactly what we have to deal with. 

No, Sven, better the dead tree than the "burning bush" inspiration of your Biblical world.

Sven Sven's picture

George Victor wrote:

...your Biblical world.

My "Biblical world"??

I'm an atheist, for Christ's sake.

As far as "dead tree" media go, such media matter less every day (cratering circulation numbers are an obvious indication of that).  It won't be long until everything is digital...and, then, anyone can write whatever they want (left, center or right).

ygtbk

George Victor wrote:

ygtbk wrote:

Sven wrote:

George Victor wrote:

Sven does not care about such matters as truth in reportage, or confusion between editorial and news columns.  Freedom is the thing.  The CONSTITUTION must be upheld, you know. :)

Should the government be determining what is "truth"?

The answer is obviously no. Freedom is more important than whether you agree with a particular news outlet. And if we're looking for confusion between editorial and news columns, that is not specific to "right wing" news. Just try to read the Toronto Star on a typical day - the pro-Liberal bias is so heavy you can cut it with a knife. Look at the free pass they've been giving McGuinty on G20 policing - if they could have pinned that on Harper they'd have been on him like piranhas - and they're still trying.

 

Comparing the Toronto Star's bias with the corrupted product of Fox and even the one-sided National Post is entertaining.  Sven does not watch it so he misses the racism of Fox and the radio show hosts that keep the rednecks happy throughout Appalachia. Of course "guv'mint" should not shut them down, but they should be vulnerable to civil action in the courts. But try and get even that past judge whatsisname on the supreme court (lemme see if I can find the fascist bastard on google)....yes...Antonin Scalia.

My point is that although both left and right wing media show biases from time to time, I don't think they should be banned because I disagree with their points of view. I'm not quite sure I understand your point, other than that you dislike Antonin Scalia. Are you saying that libel and slander laws don't apply to Fox?

George Victor

You don't believe that Americans should be able to go to court to stop Limbaugh from creating even more racists and politically emasculated citizens?    Anything goes?  Would you call yourself a post-modernist ...relativism reigns?  To each his own? No value system can be detected?

You were never into sociology, were you!   How about psych?

George Victor

Sven wrote:

George Victor wrote:

...your Biblical world.

My "Biblical world"??

I'm an atheist, for Christ's sake.

As far as "dead tree" media go, such media matter less every day (cratering circulation numbers are an obvious indication of that).  It won't be long until everything is digital...and, then, anyone can write whatever they want (left, center or right).

 

The apparent equanimity with which you can predict that tells me that your reading is only for entertainment.  At least, I can see no hint of concern...as though your value system got washed up on a beach, long ago. 

And you are surrounded by bible-toting fellow citizens who are creating the shallow world you subscribe to.  Leap into the fray someday and find the intestinal wherewithal to come out and say where you are at, y o u r s e l f. Don't just fling National Enquirer bits into the bearpit for entertainment.

DaveW

George Victor wrote:

You don't believe that Americans should be able to go to court to stop Limbaugh ... 

Sounds like you mean banning his show.

Or do I misread you?

DaveW

DaveW wrote:

George Victor wrote:

You don't believe that Americans should be able to go to court to stop Limbaugh ... 

Sounds like you mean banning his radio show.

Or do I misread you?

 

Farmpunk

Libel laws are quite different in the US and Canada.  It's very hard to compare media in the two countries.

Seeing as how we're now totally off topic...

Sven, re everything digital and the demise of newspapers.  The digital revolution is already here, and we still have newspapers and magazines.  There are more books being published now than ever before.  Anyone can certainly write anything they want, right now, blog, newsite, black bloc anarchist site... fill yer boots. 

But there's a curious thing with new media and journalism.  There's little of it happening.  Sure, at an event like the G20 there's all kinds of new and old media present.  Lots of vids, opinions, rants.  But the mundane, everyday details of being a journalist in any medium is the work of paid professionals.  We can debate the merits of their work, but don't kid yourself that leaving it all to the net and digitial info is going to replace professional work.  

It was a print journalist, Hastings from Rolling Stone, who's work led to the firings of McChrystal.  Matt Taibbi has been hammering on business\politics\the economy for years now, and he's a print journalist.  Hastings is an old school investigative journalist, and Taibbi writes mean satirical stuff and is completely opinionated but more or less fair.  Both are what I would term "progressive" politicially. 

Fox NN, which we should probably be calling Sun TV, may fall flat on its face if its nothing more than rehased right wing talk-tv.  However, the righties in Canada tend to be more clever and media skilled than the left, so it's possible that SunTV could end up with engaging programming.

 

Tommy_Paine

 

Yes, and we should be taking a page from the media savvy right, and branding this news network before it gets a chance to settle in and brand itself.

 

Take their logo, for example, and couple it with the slogan "Because the stupid need to be kept missinformed"   or "Stupid people need news too."   or "Because cranky old coots need news too."   With appologies to some coots who I have known, who were actually some of the most well behaved water fowl I've had the privelege to know.

 

 

Farmpunk

Exactly, TP.  Lefty media in Canada could learn quite a lot about delivery and tactics from the right.  But abusing the potential SunTV viewers is probably not the way to begin.   

Tommy_Paine

 

I'm not sure, Farmpunk.   It certainly won't dissuade their core audience, who wear ignorance on their sleeve and think it's a positive character trait.  I'm content to let them have that demographic.   You can't run a news network with just add space sold to "Slap Chop" "Shamwow" and infomercials on bowel health hosted by a poor man's John Waters.

But they will try and if the right wants to sink huge money into this money pit, I'm overjoyed.

 

The demographic that is uncomfortable with being perceived as stupid, however, might actually have expendable income.  That's a demographic that needs to be persuaded to look elsewhere for bona fide information.

 

 

Farmpunk

We mostly agree.  I just don't like the progressive Cdn media trend towards elitism and preachiness.  Referring to people who may want to watch SunTV as stupid\ignorant gives SunTV the upper hand immediately, because that tactic plays into their exact message.  And that's an insidious, constant theme, and it's difficult to overcome once established.

Advertisers want eyeballs and that expendable income demo you reference.  This is why, traditionally, sports broadcasting is such a huge moneymaker: prime demos of teens, tweens, and 40something professionals.  A progressive media org doesn't need that level of income to create compelling broadcast (print is a slightly different animal) but a slice of it would pay for a lot of productions that currently don't exist. 

In the US this is so much easier, because there are more people, and more acceptance of publications like Rolling Stone, that mix pop culture, politics, and hitting both sides of the spectrum equally hard.  It's easier to find support on numbers alone. 

 

ygtbk

George Victor wrote:

You don't believe that Americans should be able to go to court to stop Limbaugh from creating even more racists and politically emasculated citizens?    Anything goes?  Would you call yourself a post-modernist ...relativism reigns?  To each his own? No value system can be detected?

You were never into sociology, were you!   How about psych?

I think the "you" here may be me, although it's kind of hard to tell. If so... I think that giving Limbaugh credit for creating anything is giving him far too much credit. I know a little about relativism but can't recommend it absolutely.

George Victor

We are not burped on the scene as empty slates, or grow up in value-laden, socially-determining environments, and J. Goebbels was only employed as an entertainer.   :)   

Tommy_Paine

We mostly agree.  I just don't like the progressive Cdn media trend towards elitism and preachiness.  Referring to people who may want to watch SunTV as stupid\ignorant gives SunTV the upper hand immediately, because that tactic plays into their exact message.  And that's an insidious, constant theme, and it's difficult to overcome once established.

 

Oh, if I was a competing news outlet, I certainly wouldn't run attack adds like that.  I was thinking more grass roots, guerilla action.  

You too can be your own PR firm. 

 

I think the worst aspect of the elitism and preachiness you describe, Farmpunk is that it's not based on anything substantial.  Everyone in news seems to be wanting the quick fix.  People are interested in health?  Roll out a half hour a day on this research and that and this unsubstantiated maybe that alfalpha roots can forestall age spots on your skin.   Budget restraints?   Well pad your 15 minutes of actual news into a half hour with bumpers for the weather report.  But we'll be back to tell you about that later....

The only way to win this game is to plod along, getting the story right, not first,  and not prioritized because there's film of something irrelevant on fire.

 

News outlets, print and broadcast are going the way of the cod fishery.  The ones who survive will be the ones that are seen as "the record" the one that everyone turns on or picks up at the news stand when there's a big important event that people want to know about, and feel having the right information is important to them.   

 

 

 

remind remind's picture

we already have it in BC, Chris Galius (sp) used to be on Fox  and he came back to anchor the 6pm news, and it has been Fox ever since.

Sky Captain Sky Captain's picture

Farmpunk wrote:

Someone has to pay for the type of journalism that's needed to help the public figure shit out, or explain what's going on in a manner that is relevant to more than the %5 at either end of the spectrum. 

I don't think it's so much about a left wing outlet being "allowed" c-turtle.  It's more that the left hasn't figured out to to operate in a break-even manner in the media business... because it is a business.  The right, more or less, has accomplished this for many reasons.

The truth is, the left don't want to operate in a break-even manner in the media business at all-witness the outlet The Real News Network (http://www.therealnews.com/t2/) and how it operates. Paul Jay considers himself and his channel too pure to have to run it like a business, so instead of having ads, he has people give TRNN donations-the tried and true way the left run broadcast outlets. Unfortunately, he still isn't on TV yet (Jay said that TRNN would be on TV by 2007-it's now 2010, yet, where is TRNN? Still on the Internet!)

Until this paradigm changes, the right will always win with regards to broadcasting.

George Victor

As long as the citizenry do not mind newscasts paid for only by business, and not on the public cuff (a situation not acceptable to a more politically conscious Europe) the right will always make its bent case.

NDPP

Margolis Interview

http://torontosunfamily.blogspot.com/2010/07/margolis-interview.html

"Eric Margolis explains his departure from Sun Media in an online antiwar.com interview, saying his contract runs for another three weeks and then it's back to New York City. 'My contract has been ended, and I'm too heretical even for this chain that has carried me for 27 years says Margolis...

After explaining Sun Media's proposed pro-Harper Fox News North platform he says: 'Heretics like me who question war in Afghanistan, or deficit spending, or any of these other things are being shown the door.."

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pogge

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/09/liveblogging-kory-tene... Teneycke has resigned from Quebecor effective yesterday afternoon.[/url]

Fidel

Canadians don't need dumbing down! No more dumbing down by right wing newz for us, thanks. We're full up as it is.

thorin_bane

The reason is he may be charged with fraud for putting peoples name like Kady Omalley on a petition website he was using as proof of liberal interferance.  He admitted his "source" had put the names on their when several media people recieved emails to confirm their signature, Wells and Coyne were also baffled how their names got on the list.

He let something go about people names on the list that he shouldn't have been able to know about because of the timing of the names and the security type used. It is suspected he is the one that put these peoples names on the list. If true I hope it gets LOTS of air play to show how the harper cons have been doing things for the last 5 years given he was harpy's communications adviser. Also hope he enjoys a nice stay in jail for identity theft because of the so called tough on crime tory agenda.

Doubt anything comes of this, but I am hoping.

thorin_bane

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/09/avaaz-vs-sun-news-tv-r...

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/09/avaazorg-vs-sun-tv-vs-...

 

The punch line -- or so it seemed at the time -- came a few hours later, when Kory Teneycke -- the PM's former communications director, brought on board by Quebecor with great fanfare earlier this year for the express purpose of getting the very network targeted by Avaaz on the air -- revealed that he, too, had "apparently ... signed the Soros-Atwood petition against Sun TV News as well."

Fast forward, then, to this morning, when a Teneycke-penned op-ed appeared throughout the Sun chain denouncing Atwood -- who had publicly endorsed the petition earlier in the week -- for an "ignorant attack" that, in his view, "confirms just why Canadians need Sun TV News."

Although he doesn't mention the fact that his name -- as well as those of journalists and other individuals -- have apparently been fraudulently added to the list -- an odd omission, come to think of it -- Teneycke notes that, of the "over 45,000 people have signed this petition ... it is safe to assume many, if not most, are Americans" -- not only that, but at least a few aren't just foreigners, but fictional: 

George Victor

Friends of Canadian Broadcasting are advising us that of course it is Steve's intention now to replace the head of the CRTC with a more malleable figure so that he can realize a Fox News North...something required to be carried by all. 

I don't understand how this news - about the attempted political control of broadcasting - is not met with violent protest....even by those who pooh-pooh the effect of propaganda on the malleable mind of the average prole.  Surely the Teaparty underway in the U.S. is proof of the danger.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Korey the Tory quits his Quebecor gig.

My guess is that this is an impotent attempt to legitimize the creation of a blatantly partisan propaganda machine.

I figure the neocon strategists behind this embarrassment figure if Harper's former  protege is no longer part of the project,then they can somehow deflect public outrage and sell this diabolical monstrocity as just another private venture.

But Teneckye is also an epitome of the delusional void of reality conservative regime.

Yeah,the petition was signed by foreigners--Americans to be precise...Because your average Canadian is a neo-fascist Harperite and America is a left wing socialist state run by Hollywood.

Teneckye and everyone of his ilk are in dire need of some serious therapy and should be fitted with a strait jacket..The guy is a sociopath,suffers from extreme delusions or he's a moron.

I'll put my $2 on all 3.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I know people are uncomfortable with the 'F' word but controlling mass media is one of the 14 definitions of fascism.

At this point,the Reform Party fits a minimum of 10 of the 14 definitions.

If it walks like a duck,looks like a duck and quacks like a duck,chances are it is a duck.

And I agree,the threat is real and dangerous...Where are the violent protests?

Or at the bare MINIMUM...Where are the opposition parties?

thorin_bane

Because fascism is the nazi and death camps, people forget that spain and italy also had fascism of a lesser kind that involved a lot less loss of innocent lives but fascism nontheless.

But unlike the righties who claim we are communist coming to git their guns and ship their kids to re-programming centers, the differance from one side to the other in terms of how close they are is laughable. We don't even have a state owned company anymore. Maybe the LCBO but that is communism? Is only Ontario owned alcoholic beverages in stock by good party workers? No

Just look at the media for how much closer we are to the F word then the hysterical rants about social-commie state we live in. Even the liberal media myth. A joke beyond belief when not one major media outelet has to my knowledge ever endorsed the NDP. A few support the liberals like the TO Star but the vast majority always say vote conservative, so where is the left bias.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx9Ic

Very relevant but righties don't trust it...its all propoganda.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Thanks thomas.

I know here in Montreal,the only English language newspaper endorsed the Tories in the last 2 elections and provincially,endorse the ADQ--a party with a whopping 4 seats in the National Assembly and the SAME party that Harper made a point to meet with,snubbing Charest's Liberals.

This is the reason why Charest hates Harper and Harper has managed to make Charest and the PLQ look like bonafide lefties which is like confusing Barry Manilow with Jello Biafra.

Even our French language newspapers are straight up to the right...Alot of their views contradict the whole Quebecois values which includes sovereignty and nationalism..But I guess I shouldn't be surprised seeing that Quebecor owns most or all of Quebec's media.

What worries me is what is happening and has happened in the U.S.,..I think any moderate,sane and critical thinking Canadian should really be paying attention to what is going on and how this came to be.

America has officially lost their minds,they have been conditioned to believe all sorts of bullshit...Whether it be that their hopelessly centrist leaning slightly to the right president is a socialist or a marxist or a communist (evidently these people wouldn't know Karl Marx,Che Gueverra or Joseph Stalin if they were to rise from their graves and smack these idiots upside the head) or that Obama is a Muslim (which he's not but WHO CARES if he was?) or that Obama was not born in the States,that the Democratic Party are to blame for the trillion dollar corporate bail outs and their astronomical debt,that Obama was somehow responsible for the BP oil disaster and that Americans are scared shitless of Muslims without knowing anything about Islam.

Somehow,thanks to the relentless saturation of lunatic right wing cable and network TV and virtually every open mouth radio talk show has turned the U.S. into a loony tune Christian fundamentalist state and into one if not THE most right wing nation on planet earth.

Any Canadian naive enough to believe that can never happen here seriously needs to give his/her head a shake.

Canada is one fabricated incident away from becoming a full blown fascist state.

George Victor

Friends of Canadian Broadcasting are pulling out all the stops to stop Steve from Making Fox North a reality.  Wonderful to actually see ACTION, not just varbal farting, on this issue:

 

Dear Friend,

It is easy to understand why Stephen Harper seems determined to beam into every home in Canada a new right wing TV news network modelled after the hate mongering, ultra-conservative US Fox News Network.

Great coverage of his government will be all but guaranteed if the new Sun TV network is licensed.

If Harper is successful, Sun TV might as well be known as the Harper News Network, and Canada's democracy will suffer significant damage.

Will you help to stop the Harper News Network?

The CRTC has already turned down Sun's request for a Category 1"must carry" licence that would force cable companies to deliver the new channel to all cable subscribers which would vastly increase its profitability - and impact. Under CRTC policies, news services such as CTV Newsnet or CBC News Network must offer balanced coverage. A 'point-of-view' network would be available only to those subscribers who chose to pay for it.

But, according to a report in The Globe and Mail, Harper is taking matters into his own hands. He has unleashed the full power of his office to get Sun TV on the air, including an attempt to replace the CRTC chairman who rejected Sun's request with someone who presumably would rubber stamp the application.

To quote Toronto Star columnist Antonia Zerbisias "Only dictators decide who gets to run the media."

We've got to stop him and protect the independent role of the CRTC that helps to ensure the health of our democracy.

Parliament is the only institution with more power than the Prime Minister so it's terribly important that we mobilize all concerned MPs. With MPs returning to Ottawa September 20th, now is the time to act.

Please send a message right now asking your MP to demand the Prime Minister stop undermining the independence of the CRTC.

Our online action system will automatically copy your message to the federal party leaders.

No one who values a free press would want to see the Prime Minister handing out or influencing the granting of broadcast licences in Canada.

That's why it's so important that we act together today.

ygtbk

I guess the Friends of the CBC don't value free speech. Too bad. But it also seems they don't actually follow the news that's on the CBC website:

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/09/konrad-von-finckenstei...

It's worth noting that Konrad von Finckenstein has denied that anyone from any level of government has tried to influence him.

George Victor

 

Many of Canada's most read authors are members of Friends, and frightened by the prospects of a Harper majority...watch his concern for "freedoms" at that time.  :)

I can't believe that anyone living in the times of Stephen Harper and Fox News and a bloodthirsty neoconery can be so bloody naive.

ygtbk

My first point is that although the Friends piece looks like a very effective fund-raising letter, it appears to be at least a little exaggerated.

My second point is that supporting free speech only when you agree with the opinions stated is the same as not supporting it at all. I would prefer to call my position principled, rather than bloody naive, but you may have a different point of view.

remind remind's picture

Actually they do not value hate speech....and no one should tolerate it, or attempts to normalize it.

ygtbk

remind wrote:

Actually they do not value hate speech....and no one should tolerate it, or attempts to normalize it.

If you characterize political opinions that you don't agree with as hate speech, don't you think you might be on a bit of a slippery slope?

remind remind's picture

No, I am speaking about actual hate speech, cloaked as political thought, as well as not supporting the filthy if not evil dirty tricks of the CONservatives.

I agree with the person above, they for the most part are sociopaths.

ygtbk

remind wrote:

No, I am speaking about actual hate speech, cloaked as political thought, as well as not supporting the filthy if not evil dirty tricks of the CONservatives.

I agree with the person above, they for the most part are sociopaths.

If you're really concerned with actual hate speech, the CRTC has successfully handled that before - look at the licencing conditions that were imposed for Al-Jazeera, and the revocation of CHOI-FM's broadcast licence, for example.

remind remind's picture

LMAO......"actual hate speech", the CONservatives know nothing else.

Kory = Rahim Jaffer no less....only worse, expropriating people's names no less.

Hopefully he goes to jail.

 

 

ygtbk

Information on previous CRTC actions can be found at:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/crtc/

The CRTC has, as I said, shown themselves quite capable of dealing with actual hate speech.

Trivializing the term "hate speech" by using it to describe things you don't agree with is really unwise, in my opinion. There's nothing stopping somebody from doing the same thing to you, and rational discussion then becomes impossible.

remind remind's picture

Actually you are the one trivializing hate speech by pretending it is reasonable political discourse.

 

anyway got no time for dialogue with  you people

 

only came in to say i hope Kory goes to jail.

No Yards No Yards's picture

ygtbk wrote:

remind wrote:

No, I am speaking about actual hate speech, cloaked as political thought, as well as not supporting the filthy if not evil dirty tricks of the CONservatives.

I agree with the person above, they for the most part are sociopaths.

If you're really concerned with actual hate speech, the CRTC has successfully handled that before - look at the licencing conditions that were imposed for Al-Jazeera, and the revocation of CHOI-FM's broadcast licence, for example.

 

Al Jazeera does not do "hate speech", far from it ... it is by far more balanced and fair than any media source we will find in North America ... have you ever watched Al Jazeera?

The only "hate speech" you'll find on that network is due to true "free speech" being exercised when they interview some far right wing idiot from the USA. Allowing right wing bigots and hate mongers their right to speak highlights the evil that is the US right wing, but that's a damn good thing IMO.

Hell, even "Press TV" (Iranian based news network) is far more "fair and balanced" than the US network that makes a mockery of that slogan ... Press TV is probably more informative and better balanced than any of the major US and Canadian networks as well ... their only "knock" is that they let Iranians and the Iranian government speak as well (they also let Israel speak, something that is not reciprocated i the western media."

Al Jazeera, Press TV, and Russia Today, are all news networks that have far wider and balanced coverage of world news than anything you'll find in Western Media .. I have a big dish on my balcony just so I can watch the real news coverage that the Canadian government doesn't want me to see.

ygtbk

The Criminal Code definition of hate speech can be found at:

http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/resources/legislation/canadian_law/federal/criminal_code/criminal_code_hate.cfm

for anyone who's interested. The link is kind of long so you may have to cut and paste pieces to reassemble it.

ygtbk

No Yards wrote:

ygtbk wrote:

remind wrote:

No, I am speaking about actual hate speech, cloaked as political thought, as well as not supporting the filthy if not evil dirty tricks of the CONservatives.

I agree with the person above, they for the most part are sociopaths.

If you're really concerned with actual hate speech, the CRTC has successfully handled that before - look at the licencing conditions that were imposed for Al-Jazeera, and the revocation of CHOI-FM's broadcast licence, for example.

 

Al Jazeera does not do "hate speech", far from it ... it is by far more balanced and fair than any media source we will find in North America ... have you ever watched Al Jazeera?

The only "hate speech" you'll find on that network is due to true "free speech" being exercised when they interview some far right wing idiot from the USA. Allowing right wing bigots and hate mongers their right to speak highlights the evil that is the US right wing, but that's a damn good thing IMO.

Hell, even "Press TV" (Iranian based news network) is far more "fair and balanced" than the US network that makes a mockery of that slogan ... Press TV is probably more informative and better balanced than any of the major US and Canadian networks as well ... their only "knock" is that they let Iranians and the Iranian government speak as well (they also let Israel speak, something that is not reciprocated i the western media."

Al Jazeera, Press TV, and Russia Today, are all news networks that have far wider and balanced coverage of world news than anything you'll find in Western Media .. I have a big dish on my balcony just so I can watch the real news coverage that the Canadian government doesn't want me to see.

I have no issue with your watching any of those networks. That is precisely my point.

The CRTC imposed licencing conditions on Al Jazeera in Canada precisely because some people were concerned that it might be anti-semitic. So far as I know they've never had to apply any kind of sanctions.

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Al-Jazeera...Is the only media that exposes the plight of the Palestinian people on a nightly basis..Hence,Al Jazeera is only considered a propaganda hate machine by those who do not want the world to know about the Israeli Apartheid.

But to be fair,I watch Al Jazeera and they are FAR more fair and balanced than Faux News...Possibly more than the other cable news networks too..

I do like MSNBC..For Maddow and Olbermann,that is.

George Victor

People can somehow be sanguine about a prime minister caught in negotiations with the people who will bring an ultra-conservative TV network to Canada modelled after a network that is so biased that it is the laughingstock of Canadian newscasters concerned about integrity? The mixing of editorial "opinion" with "news" is not some warped idea of "freedom"?  Berlusconi's control of Italian television and much of the other media is not something to be afraid of here? 

Of course Al Jazeera is far and away  more honest , with professional integrity, but what about Fox News North? ... in your personal opinion.  Establishment of a news network that would slavishly side with the leader of a political party and the party itself...no sweat? 

This thread reads like something from a poli-sci  101 nightmare. 

 

Thanks for a touch of reality,  Alan  :

"America has officially lost their minds,they have been conditioned to believe all sorts of bullshit...Whether it be that their hopelessly centrist leaning slightly to the right president is a socialist or a marxist or a communist (evidently these people wouldn't know Karl Marx,Che Gueverra or Joseph Stalin if they were to rise from their graves and smack these idiots upside the head) or that Obama is a Muslim (which he's not but WHO CARES if he was?) or that Obama was not born in the States,that the Democratic Party are to blame for the trillion dollar corporate bail outs and their astronomical debt,that Obama was somehow responsible for the BP oil disaster and that Americans are scared shitless of Muslims without knowing anything about Islam.

Somehow,thanks to the relentless saturation of lunatic right wing cable and network TV and virtually every open mouth radio talk show has turned the U.S. into a loony tune Christian fundamentalist state and into one if not THE most right wing nation on planet earth.

Any Canadian naive enough to believe that can never happen here seriously needs to give his/her head a shake.

Canada is one fabricated incident away from becoming a full blown fascist state."

 

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alan smithee wrote:

Al-Jazeera...Is the only media that exposes the plight of the Palestinian people on a nightly basis..Hence,Al Jazeera is only considered a propaganda hate machine by those who do not want the world to know about the Israeli Apartheid.

But to be fair,I watch Al Jazeera and they are FAR more fair and balanced than Faux News...Possibly more than the other cable news networks too..

I do like MSNBC..For Maddow and Olbermann,that is.

 

Al-Jazeera Prime (the original network, not the North American/European English-language one) has been cited for its anti-Semetic comments made by prominent Arab spokesmen in the past. That's what YGTBK is most likely talking about.

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