The Information Age of Warfare Has Arrived

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Russian airstrikes in Syria killed 2,000 civilians in six months

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/russian-airstrikes-in-syria...

RUSSIA KILLED MORE SYRIAN CIVILIANS THAN ASSAD OR ISIS IN JANUARY: REPORT

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-killed-more-syrian-civilians-assad-or...

Syria conflict: Pressure grows on Russia over civilian bomb deaths

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35568692

Putin’s modern Air Force choosing devastating dumb bombs over precision strikes

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/21/russia-dropping-dumb-bom...

Pressure mounts on Russia over choice of targets in Syria

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/13/middleeast/syria-russia-denies-bombing-civ...

Russia committing war crimes by deliberately bombing civilians and aid workers, says Amnesty International

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-civilians-war...

Russia could be guilty of 'appalling' war crimes for bombing hospitals and school in Syria, says Philip Hammond as Turkey calls for ground offensive 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3448951/Russia-accused-committin...

After Obama spoke with Putin, suspected Russian airstrikes hit hospitals and a school in rebel-held Syria

http://www.businessinsider.com/23-dead-from-suspected-russian-airstrike-...

Syria: Russia’s shameful failure to acknowledge civilian killings

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/12/syria-russias-shameful-fa...

 

 

MegB

Webgear wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Your joking right? A quick google search shows a tsunami of reports from the Western media about the Russian bombing.

Webgear wrote:

They conducted large amounts of bombing with very little concern or investigating reporting from the western media about civilian casualties.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=russia+bobms+civilians&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&...

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Their complete operation was declared more successful than any other military mission in the region by western media but with very little evidence to support this.

Lets see until they entered the fray ISIS was gaining ground in Syria and after they began helping the legitimate government of Syria the terrorists have been on the run in various areas in the country. Most military analysts would call that more successful. Some days Webgear I think you draw a pay cheque for the disinformation you spew but I know that could not possibly be true so I will not accuse you of it.

 

I am not joking, I believe the western media hasn’t been as critical of the Russian campaign as the Canadian/NATO campaign is Syria/Iraq. This has been seen with the analysts/journalist posting on Rabble/Babble.

I believe it was a collation effort to beat ISIS in Syria. I believe all interested parties were sharing information about the common enemy and fighting him on three fronts. This is what has defeat ISIS at the current stage of the war.

The success of the Russia Campaign in Syria is hard to define due to the targets that that Russians and Syrian Airforces/Army were striking. If they weren’t only going after ISIS targets then they were only building the friction up between in the civil war parties.

I am not sure why you made such unnecessary and hostile comments at the end of our last post. If you don’t agree with my statements, please state so and provide refuting points. There is no need for uncalled innuendo and childish behaviour.

 

I agree. K, you were unnecessarily nasty and your last comment was completely uncalled for.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Given that the Western media when it reports on the middle east always vilifies NATO and praises Russia and Syria I apologize for making an absurd statement. What was I thinking to suggest anything else.  Of course since Webgears assertion that the Western media has shown a Russian bias is now a mandated babble truism my comment about his motives was rude and therefore I apologize for going against the babble truism and causing grief to Webgear who I am sure was deeply offended to have his motives questioned in an area where he was completely 100% correct in his analysis.

When one posts in a thread about the Information Age of Warfare one needs to remember that babble could never ever be included in the idea that we have people who cruise the internet on behalf of Western interests. I will do my best to keep that in mind at all times. Given that the babble line is that the Western media is supportive of the Russian bombings of Syria I have nothing more to say on the subject because it is just another area of discussion where my views are outside of the parametres of this chat site. 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Webgear wrote:
The Russians should be credited with winning the propaganda war in Syria, they have some of the best information operations occurring right now.  

They conducted large amounts of bombing with very little concern or investigating reporting from the western media about civilian casualties. Inserted large number of troops and equipment with limited reports of military deaths and injuries or equipment loses.

I've got to agree with Kropotkin here. The Western propaganda around MSF hospitals, the misrepresentation of current events around Aleppo, and the continuing blithe indifference to the illegal presence of NATO troops in Syria all point to the miserable failure of Western media in the face of a successful campaign by the Russian AF against the jihadists and foreign fighters in Syria. I think it's not so much that Russian media is winning but rather that Western media is losing.And badly. 

On the ground, it's all one way. It took a few week for the US and its "coalition" to topple Saadam Hussein but they could not find their assholes with both hands for 2 years or more when it comes to defeating the terrorists in Syria. Never mind that the US presence was, and is, illegal under international law. 2 years and they could not defeat the terrorists. The Russian AF showed the duplicity of the US and its NATO and regional allies (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc) who, in my opinion, care more about toppling Assad than anything else. The rest is window dressing.

If your policy is bankrupt, then it's pretty easy for good analysts to shred it. The disgraceful attempt by the US and its NATO and regional allies to put the overthrow of Assad ahead of defeating terrorism in Syria makes media spin impossible.

The dead silence of Western media on the illegality of US, or Canadian, or any other "boots on the ground" - other than those specifically asked for by the legitimate and elected Syrian government - shows, I think, that the MS media is still going to bat for the US and Canadian governments by their silence.

These are acts of aggression, of war - in sending troops without the permission of the country you are going to - regardless of what they are doing. These are war crimes. Especially if you "accidently" kill Syrian troops or destroy infrastructure. If the Russian media is "winning" then how come nothing is said about this in Western media?

I think you need to re-examine your claim, W.

NDPP

'Russophobia has a very firm history in the west'

CrossTalk: Bullhorns Remembering

https://youtu.be/sOHavTFJ_cc

"War and remembrance: thinking about the end of the Second World War in Europe 71 years ago. Are we now replaying the Cold War? Also, how the Syria story is grossly distorted in western media. George Orwell would be proud..."

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Wikileaks has revealed that the new President of Brazil is a former US intelligence officer.

The President of Brazil is a US spy.

I'd call that hybrid warfare.

1. Diplomatic Cables reveal the truth

2. Information provided by the US asset

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Information Warfare Is Not “Optional”

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Nations without information warfare capabilities in the 21st century are like nations without armies and navies in the 20th century. They are defenseless. ...

Russia’s relatively recent NGO laws forcing foreign-funded organizations to register as foreign agents undermines their legitimacy simply by demanding in reality the transparency these organizations often demand disingenuously as a means of attacking and undermining a targeted government.

By exposing the foreign-funded nature of their operations, effectively exposing the disingenuous intentions and financial motivations they harbor and making it difficult for them to operate while giving space to legitimate, indigenous and most importantly, constructive opposition, squeezes them out of a nation’s information space like a well planned garden crowds out weeds.

 

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How Finland became a battleground in the Russia-NATO information war

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NATO’s Strategic Communications Center of Excellence has been studying hybrid warfare and training NATO officials in strategic communication strategies since 2014, according to its official webpage. Following suit, the EU launched its own Strategic Communication Task Force after the Ukraine crisis to counter “pro-Kremlin disinformation all around Europe and beyond.”

Russian critics argue that EU and NATO’s initiatives in strategic communication risk manipulating public debates in Finland in their own right, however, by altering public attitudes towards Russia and NATO, but most importantly towards the country’s principles of neutrality.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

US/NATO "response" to hybrid warfare ... is hybrid warfare.

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The most plausible explanation for why NATO strategists continually project the machinations of their bloc’s own leader (the US) onto that of Russia is in large part due to their sincere belief in the ‘self-evident truths’ that they’ve been taught, namely that Russia is always “aggressive” and “wicked” and the US, NATO, and the West as a whole are always “defensive” and “virtuous”. The pervasive promulgation of this presumption into every facet of Western life is actively encouraged by all relevant stakeholders – the media, military, political, and educational classes – in order to craft a narrative that accords to the ‘politically correct’ precepts of “American Exceptionalism”.

Got that?

NATO’s Misguided Response to “Hybrid Threat”

Pondering

And the best way to fight back is through information. Information is more powerful than terrorists and armies. That's why people like Edward Snowden are public enemy number 1. Mass media is losing control over mass communication. 

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Jens Stoltenberg, Sec-Gen. of NATO wrote:
Today we also recognized cyberspace as a new operational domain, joining land, air and sea. This means better protection of our networks and our missions and operations with more focus on cyber training and cyber planning," the Secretary General clarified, adding that the allies plan to increase their own cyber security and exchange information between the member-states.

Skynet just went operational. Oh joy.

NATO missile defense goes live in Europe

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NATO is increasing cyber-security???

I'll be in the bomb shelter if you need me, eating protein rations and drinking my own purified urine.

Let me know if they start password-protecting things, so I can bite the cyanide capsule in my back tooth.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Commentary: The world's best cyber army doesn’t belong to Russia

Given the lurid, unsubstantiated claims by the boot-licking MSM, you might be forgiven for not knowing that the US has been doing this for decades, even against its closest "allies". Makes you wonder what these shit-bags are doing in Canada.

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James Bamford @WashAuthor

My latest for Reuters re DNC & Hillary hack by Russia.  We've been bugging the elections of our friends for decades.

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National attention is focused on Russian eavesdroppers’ possible targeting of U.S. presidential candidates and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Yet, leaked top-secret National Security Agency documents show that the Obama administration has long been involved in major bugging operations against the election campaigns -- and the presidents -- of even its closest allies.

The United States is, by far, the world’s most aggressive nation when it comes to cyberspying and cyberwarfare. The National Security Agency has been eavesdropping on foreign cities, politicians, elections and entire countries since it first turned on its receivers in 1952. Just as other countries, including Russia, attempt to do to the United States. What is new is a country leaking the intercepts back to the public of the target nation through a middleperson.

a very good read.

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In 2014, for a cover story in Wired and a PBS documentary, I spent three days in Moscow with Snowden, whose last NSA job was as a contract cyberwarrior. I was also granted rare access to his archive of documents. “Cyber Command itself has always been branded in a sort of misleading way from its very inception,” Snowden told me. “It’s an attack agency. … It’s all about computer-network attack and computer-network exploitation at Cyber Command.” 

The idea is to turn the Internet from a worldwide web of information into a global battlefield for war. "The next major conflict will start in cyberspace," says one of the secret NSA documents. One key phrase within Cyber Command documents is “Information Dominance.”

The Cyber Navy, for example, calls itself the Information Dominance Corps. The Cyber Army is providing frontline troops with the option of requesting “cyberfire support” from Cyber Command, in much the same way it requests air and artillery support. And the Cyber Air Force is pledged to “dominate cyberspace” just as “today we dominate air and space.”

"cyberfire support" - just like air support, or artillery fire. Because freedom.

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In fact, the United States is the only country ever to launch an actual cyberwar -- when the Obama administration used a cyberattack to destroy thousands of centrifuges, used for nuclear enrichment, in Iran. This was an illegal act of war, according to the Defense Department’s own definition.

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BOLIVIA OPENS UP THE WORLD'S FIRST COUNTER-HYBRID WAR ACADEMY

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In an historic first, Bolivia publicly announce that it will be opening up a school that essentially amounts to a counter-Hybrid War training academy in responding to the US' asymmetrical aggression:

"Bolivia’s president Evo Morales has opened a new “anti-imperialist” military academy to counter US policies and military influence in Latin America.

“If the empire teaches domination of the world from its military schools, we will learn from this school to free ourselves from imperial oppression,” the country’s first indigenous president said at an inauguration ceremony on Wednesday.

"We want to build anti-colonial and anti-capitalist thinking with this school that binds the armed forces to social movements and counteracts the influence of the School of the Americas that always saw the indigenous as internal enemies,” he told a crowd that included the defense ministers of Venezuela and Nicaragua.

Some Latin American officers trained at the US-based School of the Americas went on to commit atrocities under 20th century military dictatorships. In 2000, the academy at Fort Benning, Georgia, was renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation.

Morales, who expelled the US ambassador and counter-narcotics agents in 2008, accused Washington of encouraging “congressional coups” such as the impending impeachment trial of suspended President Dilma Rousseff in Brazil.

He also said the US promotes global terrorism through military interventions, citing the rise of the Islamic State group as an example.

The Santa Cruz academy was initially inaugurated in 2011 as the “ALBA School” after the now-weakened regional alliance that includes Venezuela, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Cuba.

Morales’s invitation to that event of then-Iranian defense minister Ahmad Vahidi provoked an uproar in neighboring Argentina, where judicial authorities have accused Vahidi of a role in the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center that killed 85 people.

The re-inaugurated school carries the name of General Juan Jose Torres, a leftist who was Bolivia’s de facto president in 1970 and who expelled the Peace Corps for allegedly sterilizing indigenous women.

Up to 200 cadets will learn about history, geopolitics and military strategy, the government said.

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A Rare Window into US Military PSYOPs (Psychological Operations)

How Special Operators Trained for Psychological Warfare Before the Mosul Fight

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There are two battles occurring in Mosul today. One is in the streets, where  coalition forces are exchanging fire with ISIS remnants entrenched around Iraq’s second-largest city. The second is taking place on screens, on Twitter, and in the minds of residents and of fighters on both sides. Mosul is an information battlespace as much as it is physical location, and you can’t achieve victory on one battlefield without achieving it on the other.

So in the months leading up to the Mosul offensive, the Joint Staff hosted a highly unusual war game. The goal: train special operators to disrupt ISIS’s ability to command and control forces and “neutralize its ability to increase morale,” according to a Defense Department official.

Defense One obtained a writeup of the exercise, which provides a rare glimpse into psychological operations, or PSYOPS.

They practice neutralizing the ability of their enemy to increase morale. Any questions?

 

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

That's been a common strategy forever. The idea was, for example, written in the Sun Tzu dating to the late 6th century BC. Why is this especially nefarious or new to you?

 

Webgear

ikosmos wrote:

A Rare Window into US Military PSYOPs (Psychological Operations)

How Special Operators Trained for Psychological Warfare Before the Mosul Fight

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There are two battles occurring in Mosul today. One is in the streets, where  coalition forces are exchanging fire with ISIS remnants entrenched around Iraq’s second-largest city. The second is taking place on screens, on Twitter, and in the minds of residents and of fighters on both sides. Mosul is an information battlespace as much as it is physical location, and you can’t achieve victory on one battlefield without achieving it on the other.

So in the months leading up to the Mosul offensive, the Joint Staff hosted a highly unusual war game. The goal: train special operators to disrupt ISIS’s ability to command and control forces and “neutralize its ability to increase morale,” according to a Defense Department official.

Defense One obtained a writeup of the exercise, which provides a rare glimpse into psychological operations, or PSYOPS.

They practice neutralizing the ability of their enemy to increase morale. Any questions?

I am trying to understand what your post is about, like Timebandit stated. There is nothing unusually or really new about this type of military operation.

I really enjoy reading the “Counter-Da'esh Influence Operations Cognitive Space Narrative Simulation Insights”.              

 

 

NDPP

Snowden: Fear of Terrorism Used As 'Legislative Magic Wand' For Surveillance

https://youtu.be/s3CgyOYt9fc

"NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden in a Q&A session via video-call, hosted by PEN at the House of Literature in Oslo on Friday, November 18, dedicated to imprisoned writers around the world..."

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

Snowden: Fear of Terrorism Used As 'Legislative Magic Wand' For Surveillance

https://youtu.be/s3CgyOYt9fc

"NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden in a Q&A session via video-call, hosted by PEN at the House of Literature in Oslo on Friday, November 18, dedicated to imprisoned writers around the world..."

And Trump's new CIA Director wanted him executed

NDPP

Good thing Russia has thus far protected him from these American ghouls, Dem and Repub.  "Can't we just drone this guy?" Hillary Clinton (on another whistleblower Julian Assange)

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