It’s official, the ICM will now promote the conservatives in the 2019 October federal election

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It’s official, the ICM will now promote the conservatives in the 2019 October federal election

That didn’t take long hey? I predicted here on babble this was going to eventually happen (as it always does). The cbc, as always will be holding out and choosing their words carefully. After the typical obvious right wing branches of the ICM flood Canadian voters with constant images of Scheer and the conservative message, the Toronto Star will probably do their symbolic faux progressive imitation and support the NDP and Jagmeet Singh after it becomes obvious there’s no way the NDP is even close to forming a minority government!

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/vote-justin-trudeau-resign-snc-lavalin-scandal-173805598.html

JKR

Why would the International College of Manitoba want to promote the Conservatives?

 

bekayne
WWWTT

Because the previous icm circus freek side show Justin couldn’t hold it together for long enough. 

But hey, circus freek side show’s come and go. This ones going out with a bang so far. 

bekayne

WWWTT wrote:

Because the previous icm circus freek side show Justin couldn’t hold it together for long enough. 

But hey, circus freek side show’s come and go. This ones going out with a bang so far. 

Even if everything was tickety boo, they were going to back the Conservatives.

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

Because the previous icm circus freek side show Justin couldn’t hold it together for long enough. 

But hey, circus freek side show’s come and go. This ones going out with a bang so far. 

The election ain’t over till the circus sideshow freak sings!

WWWTT
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WWWTT

Now I posted a link in comment #7 from the ts. 

In my opinion it’s written in a way that they can claim they’re reporting the news, but they are trying to belittle Scheer. Also it’s a very short article 

WWWTT

Here’s another cbc article clearly trying to make some kind of subtle read between the lines in the back of everyone’s mind amends for Justin 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-bribery-snc-lavalin-case-1.5031712

Hey if the RCMP and the crown couldn’t do anything about SNC-LAVALIN, then is it really our cute and cuddly Justin’s fault?

Pondering

WWWTT wrote:

Here’s another cbc article clearly trying to make some kind of subtle read between the lines in the back of everyone’s mind amends for Justin 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-bribery-snc-lavalin-case-1.5031712

Hey if the RCMP and the crown couldn’t do anything about SNC-LAVALIN, then is it really our cute and cuddly Justin’s fault?

I don't think we should be getting distracted by going after Trudeau. Trudeau losing an election, which he won't anyway, would do absolutely nothing to loosen corporate control over the political agenda. Pointing out that none of the actual criminals made it to court tells me there is interference at the judicial level. For ALL those trials to timeout means there was no effort at all to bring them to justice. Cases that huge don't just slip between the cracks. Who caused all the delays? Judges do the scheduling themselves. Judges decide whether or not to grant delays. Why did judges grant delays to the point where the trials timed out? 

Why aren't the executives going to prison? They committed the crimes against the company as well as against the people of Libya. The executives have done massive harm to a major Canadian company that employs thousands of people and in which our government pension has invested. 

All anyone seems to want to do is punish pensioners and workers and/or drive one of the victims, SNC Lavelin, out of the country. 

cco

Why won't somebody think of the real victim here: the corporation? And what about the innocent employees of the criminal conspiracy? And man, it'd be a real shame if something were to happen to your pension because the government failed to give its donors immunity from prosecution. And if we try to punish them, they'll just flee the country anyway. Best to just get in line with the US and UK and let corporations write their own laws.

The fact that any of that even resembles an argument someone can make with a straight face is diagnostic of the corporatist infection of the Canadian political scene.

Pondering

cco wrote:
Why won't somebody think of the real victim here: the corporation? And what about the innocent employees of the criminal conspiracy? And man, it'd be a real shame if something were to happen to your pension because the government failed to give its donors immunity from prosecution. And if we try to punish them, they'll just flee the country anyway. Best to just get in line with the US and UK and let corporations write their own laws. The fact that any of that even resembles an argument someone can make with a straight face is diagnostic of the corporatist infection of the Canadian political scene.

SNC-Lavelin is not a living person. It doesn't care what you do to it. It has no conscience. No ability to feel pain. It isn't even a tangible thing. It only exists on paper. I am an investor in SNC-Lavelin. I am a major partner of SNC-Lavelin. I had no control over what the executives did. I have no power over who runs the Quebec Pension Fund. All I have is my paltry vote.

I get it. You still think the investors benefited so they should also suffer but the fact that the executives are not going to prison doesn't seem to bother you at all. Or this board. No one is gasping with outrage. No one is demanding answers. 

It can't be hung on Trudeau so it doesn't matter? Or it isn't the current rage in the media so no point in discussing? 

cco

Pondering wrote:

SNC-Lavelin is not a living person. It doesn't care what you do to it. It has no conscience. No ability to feel pain. It isn't even a tangible thing. It only exists on paper. I am an investor in SNC-Lavelin. I am a major partner of SNC-Lavelin. I had no control over what the executives did. I have no power over who runs the Quebec Pension Fund. All I have is my paltry vote.

As a Quebecer, I'm invested in SNC-Lavalin (against my will) too. And while I haven't brought this up so far, because it hasn't been relevant, I actually have a close family member who's employed by SNC-Lavalin. If they go under, it will have real and direct consequences in my life – someone might conceivably end up sleeping on my couch for a few years. And I don't care. The virulence of the international worship of The Job enables criminal enterprises like that to steal from me and from everyone else, including you. They're racketeers. I pay taxes and I use public infrastructure, too. Treating these gangsters as "job creators" who deserve to be bailed out and exempt from prosecution is a deep sickness in society. It needs to end.

Pondering wrote:

I get it. You still think the investors benefited so they should also suffer but the fact that the executives are not going to prison doesn't seem to bother you at all.

It bothers me deeply. If I had dictatorial powers over the Canadian government, I'd nationalize the company (without compensation), bring its engineering functions directly into the public service, and prosecute the board. The fact that there are certain groups of people, like the rich, who simply don't get punished for breaking the law is something that offends me to my socialist core. It bespeaks a corruption of the justice system that's so deep that people don't even think to call it that. The solution is not, under any conceivable circumstance, to let SNC-Lavalin get away with it to protect Jobs and Investors, no matter how personal those stakes are for me.

I've seen you speak out against neoliberalism on this board. This is the neoliberal cesspool, right here. Privatization of government functions, racketeering, and people openly saying they should get away with it because Jobs! Gotta save the Jobs! And if that means we all buy the CEO a mansion and let him get away with anything he wants, well, Jobs!

I, for one, intend to use my paltry vote, and any other legal means open to me, to attempt to put an end to that bullshit. Bailing out SNC-Lavalin isn't the way to do it.

Pondering

cco wrote:
 It bothers me deeply. If I had dictatorial powers over the Canadian government, I'd nationalize the company (without compensation), bring its engineering functions directly into the public service, and prosecute the board. The fact that there are certain groups of people, like the rich, who simply don't get punished for breaking the law is something that offends me to my socialist core. It bespeaks a corruption of the justice system that's so deep that people don't even think to call it that. The solution is not, under any conceivable circumstance, to let SNC-Lavalin get away with it to protect Jobs and Investors, no matter how personal those stakes are for me.

I've seen you speak out against neoliberalism on this board. This is the neoliberal cesspool, right here. Privatization of government functions, racketeering, and people openly saying they should get away with it because Jobs! Gotta save the Jobs! And if that means we all buy the CEO a mansion and let him get away with anything he wants, well, Jobs!

Punishing SNC-Lavelin does not punish the wealthy. The CEO has gotten away with it. It does not hurt the CEO. It does nothing to stop the next company from doing the exact same thing. If we hadn't invaded Libya SNC-Lavelin would probably be continuing to pay bribes and lavish gifts on officials. All Canadian companies dealing in non-democratic countries are likely paying bribes of one sort or another. Certainly mining companies must be. Otherwise why would those countries leaders allow them to ravish the environment for a pittance? 

Any wealthy person impacted by this is minimally affected. When you earn 6 million a year being jobless for awhile is not a hardship. Anyone earning over say, 5ooK a year earns that much because they are connected not because they are brilliant CEOs. They will take a vacation then work for some other company for equally ludicrous "salary". 

What I am saying is this is akin to bait and switch. The company gets "punished" while the people get off scot free. There is no deterrent factor. Wealthy people are laughing all the way to the bank. I assume that any Quebec pension shortfalls will have to be made good by taxpayers although there may not be losses. If SNC-Lavelin moves to France we would still own the shares. 

WWWTT

Pondering wrote

SNC-Lavelin is not a living person. It doesn't care what you do to it. It has no conscience. No ability to feel pain. It isn't even a tangible thing.

Sounds like you're describing a monster, phantom phobia, earthquake, tsunami, war. The imerialist corporate media perfectly fits your description!

Pondering

WWWTT wrote:

Pondering wrote

SNC-Lavelin is not a living person. It doesn't care what you do to it. It has no conscience. No ability to feel pain. It isn't even a tangible thing.

Sounds like you're describing a monster, phantom phobia, earthquake, tsunami, war. The imerialist corporate media perfectly fits your description!

Yes it does. We need to stop begging the Wizard and take a look at the man behind the curtain. 

WWWTT

cco wrote

Here's an easier idea. Government sets up it's own engineering construction firm, then create stiff laws to fuck over SNC-L. Charge and convict them and others effectively destroying any competition for the new Canadian state owned developer when bidding on new contracts in Canada, hire staff from SNC to do the same work. Problem solved.

Oh wait, sorry I forgot, corporations own Canada, not people. And the icm already figured this plan out and are 3 steps ahead and shut the door.

WWWTT

Murphy sure knows how to write

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-the-trudeau-virtuecrats-come-tumbling-down

I pulled North Reports comments and link and posted here in this more appropriate thread

Rex Murphy is a long winded boring way overrated read! In this article he has now assumed a new role “bandwagon feminist”

Rex fancies himself as an avantguard writer in the same league as Jorge Luis Borges, even as a radical progressives Jorge was. But he’s nothing more than another hit man for the icm. And a weak one at that!

Justin appointed JWR to enhance his newly fitted feminist image. And the feminism ended there      If JWR was male and did the exact same thing  Justin and the PMO’s more than likely would have done absolutely nothing different and would have demoted any rebellious male in the same manner  His wording probably would have been different, but not his actions  

Murphy could have easily implied Justin is a racist  After all JWR is an Indigenous people’s   But that would have been too strong and would create a huge vacuum in Canadian politics for Jagmeet Singh and the NDP to fill  

The icm, through their henchmen and servants will help Scheer but at the same time will be careful to choose their words not to bludgeon Justin too hard so that the liberals stay in opposition  To be called upon when the conservatives step out of line  

 

bekayne

JKR

Dam it! The Oakville Beaver sure knows how to pick the winner!!

Pondering

Who is the icm?

JKR
bekayne

JKR wrote:

Dam it! The Oakville Beaver sure knows how to pick the winner!!

WWWTT

Pondering wrote:

Who is the icm?

ICM=Imperialist corporate media 

The term icm that I use here drives a couple posters up the freekin wall. They just simply can not tolerate anything radically different. So they refuse to accept it and take every opportunity to marginalize my writings in a futile attempt hoping I’ll just go away. I find it comical because it only sais something about them. Not me ;)

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

Pondering wrote:

Who is the icm?

ICM=Imperialist corporate media 

The term icm that I use here drives a couple posters up the freekin wall. They just simply can not tolerate anything radically different. So they refuse to accept it and take every opportunity to marginalize my writings in a futile attempt hoping I’ll just go away. I find it comical because it only sais something about them. Not me ;)

I and WTF (world truth fanciers) hope you don’t go away.

I hope the term WTF I use here doesn’t drive people up the wall although the International Congress of Mathaeticians (ICM) says that’s impossible.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Who is the icm?

According to my army buddy, it refers to the "India Charlie Hotel"... wherever that is.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

WWWTT wrote:

Pondering wrote:

Who is the icm?

ICM=Imperialist corporate media 

The term icm that I use here drives a couple posters up the freekin wall. They just simply can not tolerate anything radically different. So they refuse to accept it and take every opportunity to marginalize my writings in a futile attempt hoping I’ll just go away. I find it comical because it only sais something about them. Not me ;)

For whatever it's worth, I didn't know what "ICM" stands for, at least in your use of the phrase, and now that I know what you meant by it, I endorse the phrase.  It's possible that at least some of those mocking you about it simply didn't know what the phrase meant.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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It's possible that at least some of those mocking you about it simply didn't know what the phrase meant.

It doesn't "mean" anything, except to WWWTT, and now you.  It's very ABLK of you to assume otherwise.

JKR

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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It's possible that at least some of those mocking you about it simply didn't know what the phrase meant.

It doesn't "mean" anything, except to WWWTT, and now you.  It's very ABLK of you to assume otherwise.

What does “ABLK” mean?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Beats me.

JKR

I’ll endorse it anyway!

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

 

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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It's possible that at least some of those mocking you about it simply didn't know what the phrase meant.

It doesn't "mean" anything, except to WWWTT, and now you.  It's very ABLK of you to assume otherwise.

OK, I'll amend it to "probably didn't know what it stood for".  Y'know, you could have just ASKED WWWTT what ICM was an acronym FOR.  

 

Webgear

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Who is the icm?

According to my army buddy, it refers to the "India Charlie Hotel"... wherever that is.

Should be Mike not Hotel.

"India Charlie  Mike" 

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Should be Mike not Hotel.

Huh.  Wonder where my brain was?  Anyway, "... whoever he is."

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Y'know, you could have just ASKED WWWTT what ICM was an acronym FOR. 

Oh, he's already said, so the problem isn't that I don't know what HE thinks it stands for.  I think the pushback against it is because:

a) it's not an abbreviation in common usage

b) we already have, and by convention agree on, "MSM" to say exactly the same thing

c) making something up and then pretending it's a common term is just not how language works

Do you feel that the abbreviation "MSM" is inadequate for describing the mainstream media?  Does it lack sufficient editorializing and generalizing?

And just for the trivia buffs and word wonks:  it's an acronym if we say it like a word (e.g. "NASA", "STEM", and such) and an abbreviation if we don't.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Should be Mike not Hotel.

Huh.  Wonder where my brain was?  Anyway, "... whoever he is."

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Y'know, you could have just ASKED WWWTT what ICM was an acronym FOR. 

Oh, he's already said, so the problem isn't that I don't know what HE thinks it stands for.  I think the pushback against it is because:

a) it's not an abbreviation in common usage

b) we already have, and by convention agree on, "MSM" to say exactly the same thing

c) making something up and then pretending it's a common term is just not how language works

Do you feel that the abbreviation "MSM" is inadequate for describing the mainstream media?  Does it lack sufficient editorializing and generalizing?

And just for the trivia buffs and word wonks:  it's an acronym if we say it like a word (e.g. "NASA", "STEM", and such) and an abbreviation if we don't.

Actually, I'm beginning to feel that "Imperialist Corporate Media" is a justified term.  Much of our media these days-and this goes back at least to the "Great" War of 1914-1918-the one that made sure we didn't have any MORE wars ever again...er, I mean-are unquestioning supporters of everything Western capitalist foreign policy has ever done, most of which has been brutal, reactionary and pointless.  "ICM" may well be the shoe that now fits.  Rather than making passive-aggressive acronym jokes, you could just have asked WWWTT what his acronym stood for.  What did you have to lose?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Actually, I'm beginning to feel that "Imperialist Corporate Media" is a justified term.

Applied to whom, specifically?

Or, if it's easier, to whom, specifically, would it not apply?

Thing is, it doesn't bring anything to a discussion, it just shuts it down.

"Hyar hyar!  I see you posted a link from the icm, doing their corporate imperialist masters' bidding!"   Do we really need more big, broad generalizations like that?  It serves no purpose other than the convenience of not actually having to specify a bias or inaccuracy.

I am quite curious though which news organizations would be exempt.

WWWTT

bekayne wrote:

Bekayne knows what I’m talking about. 

Here’s a link you should find interesting. 

https://www.oakville.ca/dashboard/economic-growth-household-income.html

I’ve worked in Oakville and fished there a number of times when younger in Bronte’s creek when tha salmon run in the fall. Lots of ceo’s and well off Canadians call Oakville home. 

Webgear

When did the term ICM come into use?

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

It hasn’t. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Webgear wrote:

When did the term ICM come into use?

Hard to say. I remember when MSM used to be a controversial phrase that right thinking progressives mocked if it lumped the CBC in with the CTV and CNN.

Hey Magoo strangely I can't find MSM as mainstream media anywhere on acronym sites.

https://www.allacronyms.com/MSM

 

JKR

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_media

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Mainstream media (MSM) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought. The term is used to contrast with alternative media which may contain content with more dissenting thought at variance with the prevailing views of mainstream sources.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Actually, I'm beginning to feel that "Imperialist Corporate Media" is a justified term.

Applied to whom, specifically?

Or, if it's easier, to whom, specifically, would it not apply?

Thing is, it doesn't bring anything to a discussion, it just shuts it down.

"Hyar hyar!  I see you posted a link from the icm, doing their corporate imperialist masters' bidding!"   Do we really need more big, broad generalizations like that?  It serves no purpose other than the convenience of not actually having to specify a bias or inaccuracy.

I am quite curious though which news organizations would be exempt.

It applies to all corporate media outlets now, since none challenge any of the underlying premises of the consensus foreign policy adherered to now by all western "democratic" countries-none challenge the idea that Anglo-North American-European foreign policy has a "civilizing mission" in the world, that that civilizing mission naturally includes an all-out effort to press the entire world into adopting capitalist economics, privatization, perpetual cuts in the social wage, perpetual environmental deregulation, perpetual "openness" to western "democratic" access to domestic markets, and the inherently imperialist relationship these policies, and the use of force to impose theses policies, creates between North America, the UK, and Europe, on the one hand, and the nations made up of the growing non-European majority on the other.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

It's also right there on kropotkin1951's link, second on the list.

WWWTT

@ all those who took the time to read/post in this thread

If you want to use the term icm or do not, it’s your choice. It’s there and you can use it. But perhaps it’s better if you feel you can connect to it and adopt it into your writing style. 

A couple posters asked when the term came around. I created the term for writing here on babble because I don’t like msm. MSM sounds like it came from the public relations department at cnn or ctv and I hate it! It’s a veil disguised as a trendy hip slogan to make brainwashing in vogue. 

epaulo shared this from the coming March 8 international woman’s day

We are all ages old and we are lesbians, trans, bisexual, intersexual, queer, heterosexual… We are even those who aren’t here today: we are the murdered women, we are the imprisoned. We are ALL THE WOMEN.

I like reading this because it’s in your face and makes no apologies. That’s what I take from it anyways. This kind of helps explain  it  

 

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

@ all those who took the time to read/post in this thread

If you want to use the term icm or do not, it’s your choice. It’s there and you can use it. But perhaps it’s better if you feel you can connect to it and adopt it into your writing style. 

A couple posters asked when the term came around. I created the term for writing here on babble because I don’t like msm. MSM sounds like it came from the public relations department at cnn or ctv and I hate it! It’s a veil disguised as a trendy hip slogan to make brainwashing in vogue. 

epaulo shared this from the coming March 8 international woman’s day

We are all ages old and we are lesbians, trans, bisexual, intersexual, queer, heterosexual… We are even those who aren’t here today: we are the murdered women, we are the imprisoned. We are ALL THE WOMEN.

I like reading this because it’s in your face and makes no apologies. That’s what I take from it anyways. This kind of helps explain  it  

 

Since very few people know what “ICM” refers to why not also use the term “imperialist corporate media” for the sake of clarity and respect for the many who have no idea what the “ICM” being referred to is?

WWWTT

Ok I can do that. 

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

And dude - stop with the “we are all the women”. 

You are not. 

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

Ok I can do that. 

Thanks   : )

WWWTT

Timebandit wrote:

And dude - stop with the “we are all the women”. 

You are not. 

????? What are you talking about Timebandit?

I’m not a woman. I don’t identify myself as a woman.  Just saying that I like reading something that a woman wrote for international woman’s day. I think I can do that?

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