The New Russophobia 2

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6079_Smith_W

So how is using a Russian researcher as an authority an example of alleged "Russophobia"?

And are you going to throw that Annis quote around on every one of your Russian victim pages? We already talked about it elsewhere. I don't know about you, but I don't particularly like having to repeat myself.

Is this your way of demonstrating the "Rabble Website of Stupid" that you think you need to hammer everything again and again to people who actually can read just fine and got it the first time?

 

 

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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So do we know what ever happened to NDPP?

He seemed to have vanished shortly after mods edited one of his thread titles.

There is no overt Russophobia on this site. Anyone who regularly agrees with the Russian position on issues however is fair game for a cadre of people to attack, normally with snide disrespectful comments. None of the posters are Russian so it is not Russophobia it is merely ensuring that the Russian position is not taken seriously. Besides we all know that if a poster delves into the extreme of regular agreement with Russian positions on international affairs they are obviously paid agitators.

Babble must remain a haven of R2P thought.  As the inheritors of the European colonial system it is obvious that the NATO alliance is uniquely placed to control the planet's trade and commerce. Anyone who disagrees with that hegemony is either a terrorist or rougue state actor and no real progressive could support either terrorists or rogue states.

 

6079_Smith_W

Hey. I think someone was asking about that "faux lefty" comment. Thanks for the shout out, k.

As for "snide comments", do you really want to start counting slur for slur? I think you might be ignoring where the lion's share is coming from.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Hey. I think someone was asking about that "faux lefty" comment. Thanks for the shout out, k.

As for "snide comments", do you really want to start counting slur for slur? I think you might be ignoring where the lion's share is coming from.

I think I might be observing a very concerted pile on.  I used the comment about NDPP as a backdrop because despite his congenial posting style he got the same treatment as other posters who are less congenial.  Sorry it is obvioulsy the message that you and others are deliberatrely shooting however you seem to think that is best done by attacking the messenger relentlessly until they stop posting. Then you get to go back to complimenting the Saudi's on their efforts towards equality for women and vilifying the terrible Assad for his war crimes.

6079_Smith_W

Did I compliment the Saudis? I thought I was calling down the Americans (and others)  who thought they were doing so much better.

Maybe you should go  back and read my comment in full.

And not so much a pile on as being a bit tired of leaving insults and lies unanswered for a very very long time.

Seeing as it is an open field, I don't see how there is any problem with that.

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I used the comment about NDPP as a backdrop because despite his congenial posting style he got the same treatment as other posters who are less congenial.

IIRC, he titled a thread "Fuck the Fascist Mass-Murdering Emperor and Its Servile, Collaborationist Canadian Parliament!" and then sulked off shortly after the mods changed to something even MORE congenial.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:
I think I might be observing a very concerted pile on.  I used the comment about NDPP as a backdrop because despite his congenial posting style he got the same treatment as other posters who are less congenial.  Sorry it is obvioulsy the message that you and others are deliberatrely shooting however you seem to think that is best done by attacking the messenger relentlessly until they stop posting. Then you get to go back to complimenting the Saudi's on their efforts towards equality for women and vilifying the terrible Assad for his war crimes.

Babble is not nearly as well moderated [and self-moderated - fyi] as it once was. Probably budgetary reasons for that. I can give at least two example in which a babbler called for the death of a particular individual (Adam T in Dec 2014: see here) - the Russian President in that case - or called for the death of Russians generally (North Report over here, supporting calls for the death of Russians). Magoo, quite recently, simply referred to Russia as a "rogue nation" which, IMHO, is simple ethnic racism.

In all cases, nothing was done other than to close the threads in which I complained about the practice. It's so common that I don't bother to complain to the mods anymore.

I have, however, been personally warned not to use the word "fag" (as in "fag bashing") because it's disrespectful. This is an interesting contrast between the policy/practice over calls for killing people and using incorrect language for a discriminated group.

So the Russophobes are doing very well, I would say. If they finish with me, you'll be next. Cheers.

 

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Magoo, quite recently, simply referred to Russia as a "rogue nation" which, IMHO, is simple ethnic racism.

I'm pretty sure we're still allowed to say what we want about countries.

Are you sure you want to call it "racism"?  You don't feel like maybe that just devalues what racism really means?

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and using incorrect language for a discriminated group.

Then why not post your "Russophobia" threads in the "anti-racism news and initiatives" forum?

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There's less moderation because there was so much complaint that the moderation was heavy-handed. A case of "be careful what you wish for". As to Russophobia - if that's actually a thing, and I'm not convinced that it is - Where is the line between criticism of Russian culture (which I've not observed here) and the actions of their political bodies and politicians? Or is it all of a piece?

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Criticism the nation of Russia is Russophobia (or just plain racism) in the same way that criticism of the nation of Israel is anti-Semitism.

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Russophobia is now front and center official policy of the US regime. No explanation is required anymore. "Putin did it" is the answer to every question.

Actually, Russian media calls it "aggressive Russophobia".

US’ aggressive Russophobia behind suspension of plutonium disposal deal

Babblers Smith has tried to lay blame on the Russians for the suspension of the plutonium disposal deal. Now we see what the truth is. 

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Aggressive Russophobia, which affects Russia’s national interests and endangers its safety and security, prompted Moscow to suspend the Russia-US deal on plutonium disposal, Lavrov said.

We noticed aggressive Russophobia,” which is now in the core policy of the US towards Russia, he said.

“It’s not rhetorical Russophobia, but aggressive steps which really concern own national interests and endanger our security. This NATO enlargement and [location of] NATO military infrastructure next to our borders…,” he said.

“This deployment of US heavy weapons [next to the Russian border]… and the deployment of a missile defense system – these are all a display of unfriendly, hostile actions,” Lavrov concluded.

According to the foreign minister, Russia will never use plutonium falling under the deal with the US for military purposes.

Russia suspended a post-Cold War deal with the US on disposal of plutonium from decommissioned nuclear warheads earlier in October. The decision was explained by “the hostile actions of the US” against Russia. It may be reversed, if such actions cease.

The treaty between the US and Russia, which regulates how the two countries are to dispose of plutonium from nuclear warheads decommissioned as part of a parallel reduction of the two countries’ Cold War arsenals, was signed in 2000. Each country is required to dispose of over 34 tons of fissile material by turning it into so-called MOX fuel and burning it in nuclear reactors.

However, the cost of building a facility at the Savannah River Site in South Carolina, where the US was supposed to produce MOX fuel from its plutonium, spiraled out of control. Under the Obama administration, the US decided that it would use a cheaper reversible process instead, arguing that it was in line with the spirit of the deal with Russia.

Note the highlighted bits. The US regime seems to want to be able to reverse the process, and make plenty more weapons with which they can bomb their next victim, women and children, hospitals, day care centers, wedding parties, and all the other rich targets so loved by the "freedom loving" regime in Washington. Oh, and blame the Russians.

But that last goes without saying.

Well, it makes foreign policy decisions much easier. And Americans don't need to rise above the level of comic book villains to understand it. That will save lots of money and expense in education. More profits for Bill Gates and the rest of the education "reformers".

So it all works out.

Supplemental:from the Russian FM.

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Lavrov said both countries had the right to pull out of the treaty in the event of “a fundamental change in circumstances”.

“The treaty was concluded when relations were normal, civilized, when no one … was trying to interfere in the (other’s) internal affairs. That’s the fundamental change of circumstances,” said Lavrov.

This last from an article in which Lavrov warns the US regime about open discussion in that country about plans to carpet bomb Syria.

6079_Smith_W

But ikosmos, I didn't say withdrawl from the treaty was necessarily unjustified, but I think they need to back that up.

If Putin is really interested in adherence to the treaty why turn this into a bargaining chip about something unrelated? And while Syria and the situation in eastern Europe are serious, the threat plutonium poses to the world is far greater.

Does that seem to you like his focus is on resolving the conflict over the plutonium agreement? Because it sure doesn't seem so to me.

That RT article claims one process is reversible? Well plutonium can be re-refined in either case. How do you think they made it in the first place? And once it is burned in a reactor (as is the stated intention of both Russia AND the U.S.) it is no longer viable for bomb-making.

And because it is possible for a process to be reversed does not mean that they "seem to want" to make more bombs. You are not telling the truth.

 

 

 

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lol. Now you're a plutonium disposal expert as well? Give it a rest, Smith. The US policy is indefensible. And the Empire is in decline. Why you would choose to take the side of such a brutal, war-loving regime is beyond me.

6079_Smith_W

No more than you are, ikosmos.

But plutonium is CREATED in nuclear reactors, so of course there is a way to get more of it if either side wanted to. What do you think the whole concern about Iran's nuclear program was, after all?

They could even extract it from spent fuel rods if they wanted to go to those lengths. So the RT claim is bogus.

And again, whether you like it or not, and whether or not there are valid concerns about the agreement, this is a case of it being used as a bargaining chip.

 

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Western racism and the stereotyping of Russians

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The ugly stereotyping of Russians which has become pervasive in the West, is the last remaining acceptable form of Western racism. Like all forms of racism, it is however offensive, dehumanising and dangerous.

In a world of political correctness one form of ethnic stereotyping in the West remains not merely tolerated but even fashionable. This is the ethnic stereotyping of Russians.

Russians are nowadays regularly represented in the West in certain characteristic ways.

Mercouris notes the stereotype of Russian men and Russian woman.

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Needless to say the leader of such a country must be a macho thug, who typically poses topless on a horse.  “Ruthless” is perhaps the most common word used to describe him.  He is a gangster – violent, amoral, corrupt, cunning and ruthless – like the people he leads.

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Negative stereotypes about various ethnicities of the kind that now circulate about Russia and about Russians have of course a long history in European and Western culture. They have now thankfully completely disappeared ... One glaring exception however remains.

Negative stereotyping of Russia and of Russians has not only not disappeared; it has grown far more common and become much worse.  Indeed it is now pervasive, repeated endlessly in Western films, on television, in the media, and in endless numbers of thrillers, graphic novels and pulp fiction stories.  It is so pervasive that no Westerner can avoid it, and very few can resist its influence.

What makes it much worse is that there is no objection to it.  Where at a time of Jihadist terrorism and violence negative stereotyping of Arabs and Muslims in the West is rightly and strongly condemned as Islamophobia, negative stereotyping of Russians goes by entirely unremarked.

Absolutely spot on. An excellent article. It's a pity that those who should read this article almost certainly won't.

Now let's have some clever poster make a "faux" racist remark about Russians. And lecture me about my lack of a sense of humour. C'mon. You know who you are. And you know nothing will be done about it.

6079_Smith_W

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Negative stereotypes about various ethnicities of the kind that now circulate about Russia and about Russians have of course a long history in European and Western culture. They have now thankfully completely disappeared ... One glaring exception however remains.

Did I read that right? He thinks there is no racism in Europe except against Russians?

I think most of Mr. Putin's critics have slightly more serious concerns than him trying to compensate for his sensitivity over being short

And I don't know how he gets "gangster" out of the nature boy act. The only Russian (Belorussian, actually) gangster I had the displeasure of meeting wore a very nice suit, and kept it on.

 

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ikosmos wrote:

Western racism and the stereotyping of Russians

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The ugly stereotyping of Russians which has become pervasive in the West, is the last remaining acceptable form of Western racism. Like all forms of racism, it is however offensive, dehumanising and dangerous. 

Russians are more victimized in today's world than people of colour, who no longer face racism? 

What a complete fdcking joke. 

Who is in the baseball AL championship series? Toronto Blue Jays vs. a team depicted by "acceptable" red-face racist caricature. 

This thread started off silly, but is now becoming an sustained campaign in minimizing actual racism. 

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Voice of America: The West is under attack! 

VOA suggests banning all Russian media. Because freedom.

OffGuardian: Opinion: West gunning for Russian media ban

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It would be monumental, but Western states seem to be moving, ineluctably, towards banning Russian news media channels from satellite platforms and the internet. That outcome – albeit with enormous ethical and political implications – seems to be a logical conclusion of the increasingly frenzied transatlantic campaign to demonize Russia.

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Despite the endless stream of invective directed towards Russia and its leaders, we sometimes get amusing moments to break up the block-headed stupidity. Here are two:

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Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov captured the exquisite shamelessness of this with his remark of September 27, 2014: “Excuse us for our existence in the middle of your bases.”"

and this one, relating to another General Buck Turgidson of the US regime ....

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A war between nuclear-powered United States and nuclear- powered Russia is “unthinkable”. Except that American military men think about it, like Cold-War US General Thomas Power, speaking about nuclear war or a first strike by the US: “The whole idea is to kill the bastards! At the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win!” The response from one of those present was: “Well, you’d better make sure that they’re a man and a woman.”

Laughing

The Anti-Empire Report # 145 from William Blum

 

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ikosmos wrote:

Voice of America: The West is under attack! 

VOA suggests banning all Russian media. Because freedom.

Nothing in the article suggests banning Russian media, and the word "ban" does not appear in the linked text. 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

swallow wrote:
Nothing in the article suggests banning Russian media, and the word "ban" does not appear in the linked text. 

Thanks for the tip.The VOA piece does, however, note that "The West must step up its efforts to combat and counter the information war being waged by its opponents, according to NATO officials."

Leaving aside the disturbing question of a military alliance addressing journalism, and not, say, democratically elected public figures.... the article noted: "Senior editor at The Economist Edward Lucas argued channels like RT should not be considered as journalism."

In other words, they are preparing the ground for banning Russian media, RT in particular.

And guess what? US Secretary of State John Kerry just went to the US's favorite poodle regime in the UK and spoke to their treasury person, the former Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond, barked out a few orders, and, the next day ...

The state-owned UK bank where RT keeps their funds just closed RT's account. No explanation.

Good, little poodle.

6079_Smith_W

There's a reference in there to a "strategic communication effort" in response to Russia's use of disinformation and trolls. That's about it.

So no, ikosmos, no ban. You made that one up.

 

bekayne

Here is is some actual data about Americans' attitudes towards Russia in the latest Morning Consult poll, Tables 13-16

https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/POLITICOMCCrosstab...

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How to Solve the Putin Problem: August 2014

former Special Assistant to CIA Director & Vice Chairman of the CIA’s National Intelligence Council wrote:

"Simply put, we should make clear to the Russian business executives and oligarchs who are the target of Western sanctions that Putin is their problem, not ours. These people may lack the spark of political genius or the high-minded patriotism that drove our country’s Founding Fathers -- but they aren’t stupid. It won’t be long before a bunch of them get together for a quiet conversation -- perhaps in a Moscow board room, more likely on a yacht anchored off the Cote d’Azur -- to, um, decide what might be best for Russia’s future.

Since subtlety doesn’t work with Russians, the president and his European counterparts should also make absolutely clear that we have no interest whatever in how these people solve their Putin problem. If they can talk good old Vladimir into leaving the Kremlin with full military honors and a 21-gun salute -- that would be fine with us. If Putin is too too stubborn to acknowledge that his career is over, and the only way to get him out of the Kremlin is feet-first, with a bullet hole in the back of his head -- that would also be okay with us."

Just imagine if some (former) high-ranking official in Russia, or any other country for that matter, openly discussed killing the POTUS.

 

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The Anti-Russian Lynch Mob Fails A Mont Order View of the New “Cold War”

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With an all-but official declaration of a new “Cold War” on Russia by the United States, the journalistic atmosphere in the US, the EU and the exiting UK has become poisonous. Dissent is hardly permitted. All evils are now assumed to be the work of Moscow until proven otherwise, even by the most liberal of publications....

Here is how dissidents, such as my fellow Mont Order hoodies, should respond to such pressure. From the perspective of dissidents living in the UK, the US or other Western countries, we must make clear that Russia is absolutely irrelevant to our own lives. It is not the regime we are living under. The Kremlin has no designs on the West, except in paranoid delusions and fantasies that assert jingoist ideas about your own “country” being superior. And if the Kremlin did have designs on the West, we should be only happy. We should confess to that being a good thing, and we must challenge statists in our own countries to explain what they are defending.

We are all dissidents now.

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Well, that about covers all of your threads.

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The Kremlin has no designs on the West, except in paranoid delusions and fantasies that assert jingoist ideas about your own “country” being superior.

So there's all the "USA is bad" threads, endorsed.

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And if the Kremlin did have designs on the West, we should be only happy. We should confess to that being a good thing

And there's all the "the Kremlin has much to teach us all about pacifism, human rights, and anti-imperialism" threads endorsed.

 

 

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Novelist Gary Shteyngart spent a week doing nothing but watching Russian TV (from 2015)

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"I think this is the most difficult assignment I've ever taken in my life and I've been to some scary places," Shteyngart tells As It Happens host Carol Off. "I was stuck in the Four Seasons living like an oligarch in a deluxe suite, but ever atom of my body wanted to jump out the window."

What's most hilarious about this paid masturbation session? There were no comments. Not a one. (They have since closed the comments section.)

6079_Smith_W

Shteyyngart was born in Leningrad, ikosmos. I expect his is an informed opinion, not your alleged Russophobia.

From the CBC piece:

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"It's one of the most depressing things ever," Shteyngart explains. "When I go to Russia I do get depressed after a couple of weeks there, but the pleasure of being with the many, many wonderful people who live in Russia counterbalances the effect of all the awful stuff that goes on. But this was just the awful stuff with nothing else."

Here is his article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/magazine/out-of-my-mouth-comes-unimpea...

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Here is the question I’m trying to answer: What will happen to me — an Americanized Russian-speaking novelist who emigrated from the Soviet Union as a child — if I let myself float into the television-filtered head space of my former countrymen? Will I learn to love Putin as 85 percent of Russians profess to do? Will I dash to the Russian consulate on East 91st Street and ask for my citizenship back? Will I leave New York behind and move to Crimea, which, as of this year, Putin’s troops have reoccupied, claiming it has belonged to Russia practically since the days of the Old Testament? Or will I simply go insane?

A friend of mine in St. Petersburg, a man in his 30s who, like many his age, avoids state-controlled TV and goes straight to alternative news sources on the Internet, warns me in an email: “Your task may prove harmful to your psyche and your health in general. Russian TV, especially the news, is a biohazard.” I’ll be fine, I think. Russians have survived far worse than this. But, just in case, I have packed a full complement of anti-anxiety, sleep and pain medication.

anyway, thanks for the tip.It was a good read. All the people who came by to visit him, aside from his psychiatrist, were Russian.

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More about that Russophobic/Putinphobic Economist piece.

Mercouris: The Economist’s profile of Vladimir Putin shames Britain and itself

Alexander Mercouris wrote:
The image of Vladimir Putin on the front cover of the current issue of The Economist is an appalling example of war propaganda and racist imagery.

The current issue of The Economist magazine – supposedly the most influential news and current affairs magazine published in Britain, though the extent to which this is really the case is open to doubt – carries on its cover a picture of a demonic looking Putin that goes beyond anything I have ever seen.

... As such it fulfils the classic function of war propaganda, which is to dehumanise the enemy to make his killing acceptable.  Certainly the publication of such an image cannot be explained in any other way.

What is however most shocking about The Economist’s cover is that in Britain it has provoked so few complaints or objections. 

It should go without saying that any such depiction of the leader of any other country or nationality would in Britain today provoke a storm, with many people rightly complaining that the image was dehumanising and racist.  However if the image is one of the leader of Russia nothing of the sort happens.

I recently wrote a piece for The Duran in which I spoke of how racist stereotyping of Russians in Britain and in the West is the one form of racist stereotyping which remains not only permissible but actually fashionable.

The cover on the current issue of The Economist provides grisly confirmation of this.

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"Russian" is not a race, it's an ethnicity. Criticising the politics of a particular region or its leader is not racism.

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"Russian" is not a race, it's an ethnicity.

It does take on elements of a religion around here, though.

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Practically charismatic about it.

6079_Smith_W

Over there too, now that they have the Orthodox Church working for them again sprinkling water on their gun, and standing at the front of the assault on Russian culture.

Maybe Putin saw how the republicans were doing it in the states and figured he was missing out on a good opportunity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/22/russians-support-orthodox-...

 

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I like this article it states my views on the subject quite well.

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But there are Putin Halloween masks for sale in U.S. stores. Timemagazine has Putin on the cover accusing him of trying to damage U.S. elections. A Google search for “Hitler Putin” brings back 11 million results. This demonization of a foreign leader should frighten us more than that leader himself.

Wars do not only kill, if they kill at all, a foreign leader. But they do kill large numbers of children, grandparents, mothers, and fathers. They enrage people, endanger us, damage the natural environment, justify the removal of our rights, and divert unfathomable resources from areas where they could have done a world of good.

The actual Adolph Hitler had no plans or ability to invade the United States and was defeated primarily by Russians who lost at least 27 million lives in the process. For over 70 years, since the end of World War II, the United States has bombed dozens of nations, and in every case that I am aware of U.S. officials have labeled a targeted individual “Hitler.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/25/halloween-is-coming-vladimir-puti...

 

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Okay, so that's bad, but, for instance, the monkey depictions of Obama aren't equivalent demonizations?

6079_Smith_W

And what war is being referred to in the second paragraph of that counterpunch article?

The imminent invasion thread has been going on for two years now, and it hasn't happened yet. So those nasty western halloween stores are killing poor Russian children how?

And yeah, making fun of him is bad, especially considering he hasn't done anything at all to invite ridicule. Though I suspect it isn't the Hitler references that bother him the most:

 

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But there are Putin Halloween masks for sale in U.S. stores.

Just for fun, I googled "Obama mask", "Clinton mask", "Thatcher mask", "Reagan mask", and "Bush mask".

Yes, there were both Bush masks.  And the others, too, of course.  Same with a Tony Blair mask, a Bin Laden mask, and even an Angela Merkel mask.

Then, just to see whether this ends anywhere, I googled "Jeb Bush mask".  Yup.  There's a Jeb Bush mask.

ed'd to add:  there's a Barbara Bush mask.  BOO!

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:

And what war is being referred to in the second paragraph of that counterpunch article?

The imminent invasion thread has been going on for two years now, and it hasn't happened yet. So those nasty western halloween stores are killing poor Russian children how?

I love the spin you can put on things that you don't even read. Your question and remarks makes it apparent that you did not even look at the article. LMAO

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A Google search for “Hitler Putin” brings back 11 million results. This demonization of a foreign leader should frighten us more than that leader himself.

A google search for "Hitler Trump" brings back 31 million results. 

A google search for "Hitler Clinton" brings back 28 million results. 

A google search for "Hitler Obama" brings back 25 million results. 

A google search for "Hitler Bush" brings back 13 million results. 

Even a google search for "Hitler Merkel" brings back 7 million results. 

6079_Smith_W

dp

6079_Smith_W

I did read the article kropotkin.

How are the halloween stores killing poor children in war by selling Putin masks?

For that matter how do they "justify the removal of our rights" (evidently not the right to political satire)

and "divert unfathomable resources from areas where they could have done a world of good"?

I know the JWs, and som evangelicals are down on the Devil's holiday, but I didn't know it was a symbol of western decadence and imperialism now.

Or again, maybe it's the homosexual propaganda aspect of it that is the problem.

bekayne

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I did read the article kropotkin.

How are the halloween stores killing poor children in war by selling Putin masks?

For that matter how do they "justify the removal of our rights" (evidently not the right to political satire)

and "divert unfathomable resources from areas where they could have done a world of good"?

I know the JWs, and som evangelicals are down on the Devil's holiday, but I didn't know it was a symbol of western decadence and imperialism now.

Or again, maybe it's the homosexual propaganda aspect of it that is the problem.

Ah, Jack Chick. He just died:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/25/jack-chick-christian-comic...

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Stop this stupid sabre-rattling against Russia: It’s not their side that worries me; it’s ours - by Rod Liddle

Then ... and now.

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Back then, when Reagan announced on microphone ‘we begin bombing in five minutes’ it was evident to everyone that he was joking. Today, when some deranged Tory MP clambers to his feet and demands we start shooting down Russian jets, it is evident to everyone that he is not joking, merely idiotic and dangerous. But it is a gung-ho idiocy which is catching. Every day sees a ratcheting up of the rhetoric against Russia ...

Yup. It's a gung-ho idiocy which is catching. Have you got it?

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Confused by the endless stream of vomit passed off as serious analysis? Then here's your Jim Dandy helpful guide to dealing with the various types of people who blame Putin for everything...

"Putin Did it!" - Survival Guide

1. THE OLD ANTI-SOVIET COLD WARRIOR WITH IMAGINARY NUKES AT THE READY.

2. THE PATHOLOGICAL ANTI-RUSSIAN RACIST

3. THE BORING, WILFULLY IGNORANT LIBERAL

4. THE ‘CAN’T HAPPEN HERE’ TRUE BELIEVER

5. HILLARY CLINTON. (Yeah, she really does deserve a category of her own. )

Some good links and a good guide generally.

"Round up the usual Russian suspects!"

[eta: If you look carefully at the photo, I believe that the grey-haired male sitting down is ... former PM S. Harper! lol]

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More foaming Russophobia in the UK with the active encouragement of a Minister of the Crown, Boris "the village idiot" Johnson.

Fake limbs outside Russian embassy in UK – ‘premeditated act of hooliganism’

RT wrote:
There is “a ridiculous atmosphere of Russophobia that is pervading the British establishment and pervading the American establishment,” says Craig Murray, Britain’s former ambassador to Uzbekistan.

Obviously, the advocates of neoconservative foreign policy in both the US and the UK have decided to up the rhetoric beyond the levels of Cold War rhetoric. We’ve seen it in false claims about Russian involvement in the Donald Trump campaign; we see that in encouraging protesters outside the Russian embassy,” Murray told RT.

In his view, people have every right to protest outside the Russian embassy if they wish to.

I don’t think we should challenge the democratic right of people to go protest outside an embassy if that is what they want to do,” Murray said. “But I think the fact that they are being spurred on to do it has to do with the way that people are misled by the establishment media. The truth is that Russia is in no sense any threat to either the UK or the US. There is no chance that Russia would ever attack the UK or the US. Historically, Russia never has attacked the UK or the US.

The Russians are too civilized to return the favour, knowing that that is probably one of the aims of the "protest" - to provoke a response that can then be attacked, etc.

Truly, a fine example of British "civilization". As Gandhi once remarked, when asked about Western [British] civilization, that he'd be pleased to see an example of it, if one ever appeared...

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

The protest was over bombing hospitals and civilians in Aleppo, it had nothing to do with whether Russia was a threat to the UK.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Timebandit wrote:

The protest was over bombing hospitals and civilians in Aleppo, it had nothing to do with whether Russia was a threat to the UK.

Imagine to horror of outsiders helping a sovereign nation to repel fundamentalist terrorists instead of aiding and abetting them.  It has everything to do with whipping up the citizens of Oceania to hate the citizens of Eurasia.  Such blatant government sanctioned hate propaganda is truly Orwellian.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Not sure what your point is, krop. Do you have something against the peace movement?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Timebandit wrote:

Not sure what your point is, krop. Do you have something against the peace movement?

LMAO I love the Save Allepo T-shirts. I wonder where those groups get their fundiing.

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Two campaign groups - The Syria Campaign and Syria Solidarity UK - dumped 800 adult and child-sized mannequin limbs in front of the entrance.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/russian-embassy-hundreds-of-plasti...

 

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