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Salutin fired from the Globe

Apparently as part of the redesign. I don't have any details.

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Caissa

I hear the redesign is also coming with a price increase.

Cueball Cueball's picture

I was more pissed about Margolis getting let go at the SUN.

NDPP

Margolis from the Sun and now Salutin from the Glob....

Caissa

Maybe it will be Mallick from the Star...

Maysie Maysie's picture

Reinstate Rick Salutin by Murray Dobbin

John Stackhouse, Editor in Chief :  jstackhouse@globeandmail.com

Neil Campbell, Executive editor:  nacampbell@globeandmail.com

 

Sinclair Stewart, National Editor: sstewart@globeandmail.com 

Cueball Cueball's picture

Caissa wrote:

Maybe it will be Mallick from the Star...

One can only wish they would fire Mallick and pick up Margolis.

DaveW

Q.: any reason given why?

Salutin is a good teacher and one of the few newspaper people to reply promptly and helpfully to a comment on his columns...

DW

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DaveW, from what I've read online, no reason given. There is a redesign / relaunch underway, and new ownership.

Cueball Cueball's picture

And then they hire people who they promote as being "left" who aren't really, like Mallick. Its an embarassment.

DaveW

Dobbin basically said a neo-liberal paper would only have one type of viewpoint, and I am not sure that is true. In fact, the Globe also ran Naomi Klein for quite a while, and the Wall Street Journal famously ran Alexander Cockburn, a flamboyant Marxist (now at Counterpunch), on its op-ed page throughout the roaring 1980s.

Their readers feel they are being generous to the opponents that way, and not unimportantly, they know the adversary.

 

 

skdadl

You won't believe this. Replacement is [URL=http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites/archives/2010/09/29/rick-salutin-out... Manji.[/URL] bbl

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Gluh.

skdadl

Oh, c'mon, writer. You can do louder than "Gluh." I sure can, not that I have time now. But I just can't believe they've done this.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Being a native informant is big business these days.

2dawall

Irshad Manji is one of the worst but totally believable as a replacement. She gives a lesbian, non-white cover to the War Against Islam

and she has been endorsed by Oprah. She is like John B Judis, comes from the Left supposedly and has been given support by much of the

Left from the start but always serves the militarist Centre-Right. I think that horrible book of hers has been revised some 9 times. Here

in Winnipeg the Winnipeg Free Press has reviewed/promoted it some 14 times. She gets support from the Heritage foundation in her US

tours but Canadian gay/lesbian groups ignore that when they embrace her.

 

I am still angry from when the Globe and Mail dropped Suzuki; I think that happened in the 80's.

2dawall

Sorry btw but Eric Margolis is another conservative but more like a paleo-conservative like Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan/ Justin

Raimondo and just so happens to be more pro-Palestinian like Raimondo.

jtleroy

The loss of Rick Salutin is enormous. He was edgy with a keen eye. Doesnt nean I always agreed with him but he had integirty.

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2dawall wrote:

Sorry btw but Eric Margolis is another conservative but more like a paleo-conservative like Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan/ Justin

Raimondo and just so happens to be more pro-Palestinian like Raimondo.

Well no not quite. He is actually more interested in talking about Pakistan, India and Afghanistian, as far as I recall. But I guess they count as "Palestinians" But, I thought I would google Margolis on the topic and I came up with this:

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Another, earlier fool, Secretary of State Alexander Haig, gave Israel's Ariel Sharon a green light in 1982 to invade Lebanon and crush the Palestine Liberation Organization(PLO). Israel's guns and bombs pounded large parts of besieged Beirut to rubble. The invasion was a disaster and led to the deaths of 18,000 to 20,000 Lebanese and Palestinians, and the massacres of 2,000 Palestinians at Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps by Israel's neo-fascist Lebanese allies, and the death of 247 US servicemen.

Osama bin Laden noted a few years ago that the 9/11 attacks on New York were in direct retaliation for Israel's brutal bombardment and destruction of downtown Beirut. Not surprisingly, the US media ignored this story.

In 2006, the Bush administration worked out a plan with Israel to again invade Lebanon, crush Hezbullah, then go on to attack Syria and Iran. This plan, like other American-Israeli machinations, collapsed in ignominy. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, struggled to prevent the UN and world powers from ending Israel's attack on Lebanon, which killed over 1,000 civilians and inflicted billions of damage on Lebanon. But Hezbullah's unexpectedly effective resistance turned the invasion into a US-Israeli defeat.

ERADICATING HAMAS

Ahh look... the truth. I don't care what you want to call it, but the elimination of Margolis from the Sun newspaper chain eliminated one of the few consistently truthful sources of information of foreign affairs in the Canadian media. I value that a whole lot more than Heather Mallick's musings about community and Jane Jacobs, someone who can be quoted as easily by Mallick, as she can by the former "conservative" mayoralty candidate Sarh Thomson.

So, I am not going to get all sniffy about someones putative ideological credentials, when it comes to telling the unvarnished truth.

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Indeed I have yet to see anything as forthright of honest from any of the supposedly lefty journalists in the mainstream Canadian press, certainly not Mallick or Salutin, and indeed the closest you can get is possibly Haroon Sadiqi at the Star, though he is far more circumspect, and not any kind of leftist either.

2dawall

I am not disputing that Eric Margolis provided lots of great information and yes he had written more about Pakistan, Afghanistan etc but he has also written lots about Palestinians so I am not sure how this qualifies what I said before as 'sniffy.' I also did a search on Margolis and Palestinians and got lots articles. My point was to compare him to Raimondo and just pointing out to clarify that he is not entirely progressive. I too wish the Sun had not dropped him but I do see it as their inevitable drift as it is with all of the corporatist media.'

Why clarify? Well here in Winnipeg, for example, the Winnipeg Peace Alliance features articles from Infowars.com, that Alex Jones website. Just want clairty.

thorin_bane

We never said EM was progressive, the point is he was showing what the rest of the media didn't including our so called progressive. Though I will miss Rick. It is another showing of the consolidation of media and the rights iron fist holding it tight. Including the now conservative broadcast corporation and soon fox news north with your host kory the tory.

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Well that sucks.  Salutin's column was a must-read for me.  Shit.

DaveW

Cueball wrote:

Being a native informant is big business these days.

 

yeah, everyone should stick to their category, as identity politics insists; 100 per cent agreement at all times with the group

that will really make for interesting (Zzzzz) copy

best wishes, Irshad

 

Farmpunk

I thought Salutin was a freelancer, so he can't really be "fired".  And its not as if his writing will end just because the Globe isn't publishing him. 

The print news media trend appears to be veering away from mixed formats, with even token dissenting viewpoints cut out in favour of focussed messaging and fluff.  Probably has more to do with targeted advertising and newsprint economics than editorial direction.  And maybe Irshad costs less...

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DaveW wrote:

Cueball wrote:

Being a native informant is big business these days.

 

yeah, everyone should stick to their category, as identity politics insists; 100 per cent agreement at all times with the group

that will really make for interesting (Zzzzz) copy

best wishes, Irshad

 

Let me know when the Globe and Mail hires a columnist who has made their carreer bashing the Catholic church, supposedly as a Catholic. I suppose you might find an occassional op ed along those lines, but a career anti-Catholic evangelist as a regular columist: Never. That might make for "interesting" copy. Let me know when the Globe starts publishing the raving of other people in extreme minority positions in the Muslim community. People like Osama bin Laden. I suppose that would be "interesting" too.

Manji is making a mint selling copy to non-Muslims who want to hear the "inside" soty on how bad Islam is.

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Cueball wrote:
 Manji is making a mint selling copy to non-Muslims who want to hear the "inside" soty on how bad Islam is.

Damn. What sucky news.

And Manji's been playing this song for close to 10 years now. Aren't her 15 minutes over? 

DaveW

as they say: know them by their enemies

again, best wishes, Irshad: say whatever you want and don't let people seal you in a category; lots want to ...

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The issue isn't Manji. The issue is a lot of white folks getting together in their board room and deciding that they have the right to promote an anti-Muslim huckster (whose sole qualification for being an authority is a 6 month stint she did at an Islamic school) that fits into their ideological assumptions about what Islam is. I defy you to tell me honestly that you believe the Globe and Mail would hire a lapsed Catholic, whose sole mission is attacking Catholicism, as a regular columnist on their staff.

Not a chance brother.

Why? Because Islam is the enemy, not backward religious conservatism in general. Indeed, I bet if Manji actually spent any time doing a comparison of religions and human rights that also indicted any of the other major religions in Canada, you would never have heard of her.

What makes Manji saleable is the fact that she has license to launch an attack upon our Muslim minority and not be condemned as a bigot, because she can claim to be part of the Muslim community. A line that many will buy because she is not-white, basically.

The fact that she exploits this for her own financial gain, goes against her credibility, as a real human rights campaigner.

contrarianna

DaveW wrote:

as they say: know them by their enemies

again, best wishes, Irshad: say whatever you want and don't let people seal you in a category; lots want to ...

Enemies? Know them better by their supporters...which include Daniel Pipes and Alan Dershowitz.

...
The Only Good Muslim is the Anti-Muslim
By M. JUNAID LEVESQUE-ALAM

http://www.counterpunch.org/junaid08272008.html

George Victor

I thought that Rick had some pretty good observations on Israel's goings-on.  Seemed to me he fit the progressive template, and wasn't even confusing in his take on the world.

But, back to Irshad Manji...wherever she came from.

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It's good money I am sure.

contrarianna

Irshad Manji happens to be a Senior Fellow for the neocon-sounding "European Foundation for Democracy":

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....After claiming to have built an unspecified 'record of success in Europe', EFD lists five goals which include references to human rights and 'Empowering European-based [sic] Muslim and Arab reformers and liberal democrats by ensuring that they, together with EFD fellows, are able to express their views at conferences, media events and elite universities' and 'Continuing to address the growing threat of Iran and it’s terror proxy Hezbollah to Europe by assertively raising public awareness among legislators and opinion leaders'.

It is not made clear how Iran or Hizbullah pose a threat to Europe. Hizbullah's military operations are confined to its native Lebanon and mainly directed at Israel (and formerly its proxy the SLA). Also, despite the ostensible focus on human rights and evident interest in the Middle East no mention is made anywhere of the extensively documented abuses of human rights in Israel. EFD's goals may have a tenuous link to European concerns, but they appear remarkably in line with the known positions of the Israel lobby....[8]

http://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=European_Foundation_for_Democracy

edited to add:

Transcript of IRSHAD MANJI versus AS’AD ABUKHALIL on Democracy Now regarding the Danish cartoons affair :

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/7/freedom_of_speech_or_incitement_to

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In propaganda terms, the value (and marketability) of an "apostate", whether formerly from the left (eg. Christopher Hitchens) or nominally from a targeted religion (eg. Hirsi Ali) is an extremely valuable asset in normalizing imperial policy.

Fotheringay-Phipps

I always enjoyed Salutin's work because it wasn't the usual collection of leftish pieties. The man actually observed the world and then thought about his observations. Sometimes I thought he was dead wrong, but he was never merely following the crowd, or what passes for one on the left.

That said, any columnist knows that, like a baseball manager, he is hired to be fired. The wisdom of management passeth all understanding. Maybe they really hated his leftish views. Or maybe test subjects strapped to chairs in the basement on Front Street showed spikes in certain neurochemicals when his image was flashed on a screen in front of them. We'll never know. But I'm sure we'll continue to hear from him.

duncan cameron

Her first offering is on the Globe site, I found it seriously pathetic.

al-Qa'bong

DaveW wrote:

best wishes, Irshad

 

Yeah Irshad, you make killing Arabs and Muslims give me that warm fuzzy feeling.

Luckily I don't subscribe to the Grope and Flail, or else I'd have to let my subscription for it end, as I did with Harper's after they ran an ad for a bookstore that highlighted one of Mangi's hatemongering tomes.

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The state of journalism has been in decline for some time. Very few media outlets do any investigative stuff and I find that the only hard hitting news and analysis comes from a handful of gifted columnists. In terms of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Lebanon etc I would definitely put Margolis and Fisk on the must read list. I like Rick Salutin's columns and unlike Manji, he is thoughtful and know how to write. I think Linda McQuaig is still my favourite among Canadian journalists.

It's unfortunate that the G&M is moving towards complete irrelevancy. There are lots of Canadians that believe it to be a more informed and open-minded paper than the National Post or any other former Southam papers. Not sure if they will stick with it and be convinced that they are getting quality news and opinion. Hopefully, reasoned people will abandon it in droves.

Maybe more people will check out Rabble, Straight Goods or Tyee to get an alternative perspective. There aren't too many sources left.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Typeset font and layout have a lot to do with reader preference.

2dawall

This move toward Manji may hurt the G&M in the Toronto area with how many 2nd generation Pakistani-Canadians find her so offensive, even the upwardly mobile business types.

sanizadeh

contrarianna wrote:

edited to add:
Transcript of IRSHAD MANJI versus AS’AD ABUKHALIL on Democracy Now regarding the Danish cartoons affair :

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/7/freedom_of_speech_or_incitement_to

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Thanks for the link. Interesting debate. The problem with Irshad is that as Cueball said, she does not know much about the subject she writes about; she merely jumped on the bandwagon when it became fashionable (and profitable too)... and then that Abukhalil guy, man, what an arrogant hypocrit ("I am all for freedom of speech, but I allow you to criticize one religion only if you criticize the other ones too, and BTW, never expect my side to do the same...").

sanizadeh

2dawall wrote:

This move toward Manji may hurt the G&M in the Toronto area with how many 2nd generation Pakistani-Canadians find her so offensive, even the upwardly mobile business types.

Not to worry, they probably plan to fill that loss with the Iranian-Canadian community in Toronto instead:-)

 

al-Qa'bong

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...and then that Abukhalil guy, man, what an arrogant hypocrit...

 

I dunno; busy as he is, he's always responded to my emails.

contrarianna

sanizadeh wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

edited to add:
Transcript of IRSHAD MANJI versus AS’AD ABUKHALIL on Democracy Now regarding the Danish cartoons affair :

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/7/freedom_of_speech_or_incitement_to

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... and then that Abukhalil guy, man, what an arrogant hypocrit ("I am all for freedom of speech, but I allow you to criticize one religion only if you criticize the other ones too, and BTW, never expect my side to do the same...").

Hi, sanizadeh

You have put words in quotes as if they were a reliable paraphrase of Abukhalil's tenor. Which "side" is the atheistic Abukhalil representing, according to you? Obviously, he isn't empowered to "allow" or disallow anyone from saying anything by his claim that there is a double standard when it comes to a passion for "free speech".
What part of his description of "selective secularism" he mentions do find outrageous or even untrue?
(As for hypocritical, the "I am shocked" posturing of Manji when her even-handedness was questioned seems a better example).

There is a more comprehensive look at Manji's posturing and her book in two parts is by Justin Podur in 2003.

Most telling for me is her chutzpah in her citing Tariq Ali's "Clash of Fundamentalisms: Crusades, Jihads, and Modernity" without the balanced context of his genuine humanism:     

Quote:
...All of this is described and analyzed in a book that actually does what Irshad Manji says she is trying to do: Tariq Ali's 'Clash of Fundamentalisms' (29)   Manji cites his book several times, but does not present his argument or analysis in her book (30) .  Ali argues that the Muslim world needs to go through the kind of reformation the Christian world went through, the reformation - influenced, incidentally, by Muslim and Jewish scholarship and learning -- that led the Christian world out of medieval theocracy.  He argues that this reformation is all the more urgent because the world is increasingly in the grip of another kind of fundamentalism - that of neoliberal economics and militarism.  Unlike Manji, Ali looks at modern history and finds ways that one fundamentalism helped to create the other.  The Taliban, the Mujahaddin, and indeed Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda grew out of the jehadis funded, trained, and armed by the United States to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.  The Saudi regime and the other repressive monarchies of the Middle East are propped up by the West in exchange for oil and the suppression of their own people's desires for self-determination.  Independent nationalism, secularism, and leftist movements in that region were savagely and repeatedly attacked by the US, sometimes using the religious groups.  Ali does not bring this history up in order to exonerate Muslims of their responsibilities, but to help understanding of the context.  All Manji would have had to do was read the rest of the book she cites numerous times.  Ali's book implicitly argues for a world free of any fundamentalisms, in which people use their own reason and their own moral sense and solidarity to guide them....

http://www.zcommunications.org/a-multifaceted-fraud-by-justin-podur

http://www.zcommunications.org/a-multifaceted-fraud-part-2-by-justin-podur

[warning, the articles are fine to view, but some of the old links within it are dead, or show as being compromised by malware]

2dawall

Yeah Manji has revised the book several times to edit out some of her more glaring errors but her footnotes and bibliography are still really bad. She pretends that she was open to Tariq Ali but totally leaves out his work on how the English empire viciously imported Wahabism into Afghanistan and instead treats it like some biological growth a la Huntington. For her to claim some form of affinity for Sufist Islam while whitewashing what the British did to the Sufists is several layers of irony.

aka Mycroft

Interesting column from Robert Fulford:

This lefty was often wrong, but I'm going to miss him

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I disagreed with whatever Rick Salutin wrote in his Globe and Mail column - on capitalism, socialism, U.S. foreign policy, free trade, Israel or anything else.

Nevertheless, for two decades I never failed to read him, every Friday. Sadly, the Globe has eliminated his column, considering it unsuitable for the refurbished format that appeared yesterday.

What made me Rick Salutin's loyal reader? Experience demonstrates that I can learn a great deal from writers I disagree with. More important, his style has always attracted me. His prose has a sense of life, not a quality universally found in Globe columnists. He has his own voice, whether the song he sings is satirical, hysterical or as glum as Eeyore's. And he writes as if something is at stake.

 

DaveW

an honest assessment by Fulford, and very unusual around here to hear people praise the writing of their ideological adversaries ...

as for this: "he is an artist, the only Canadian columnist who has written plays and novels".....;

 make that only ANGLO Canadian columnist, I can think of a number of arty Quebecois who have written columns, off the top of my head Jacques Godbout

Cueball Cueball's picture

Is it really so unusual "around here to hear people praise the writing of their ideological adversariers"? Up thread I was taken to task for praising Eric Margolis. Though I agree some peoples ideological views seem to dampen their critical eye, finding only points to criticize those who disagree with them -- what is difficult about that is that it takes a certain amount of introspection and intellectual honesty to see beyond ones own ideology.

DaveW

actually,  I think your point shows it IS unusual at Babble,  the Margolis example is a good one and actually jumped out at me as he had written for the Sun(s) of all places -- and THAT is rare to see praised;

Can you imagine, as an example, someone here writing:

maybe Conrad Black is really sincere and will make prison reform and drug depenalization a key part of his shtick; if so, congratulations to him

more often, people get labelled all good or all bad, I find, with a few exceptions like Pat Buchanan on free trade

thorin_bane

I heard Flannagan say he is from the states. This is very interesting. Again another american teling canada to be more right wing, like diane francis..I only bring this up because of a discussion on war resisters. The prominance of ex pat americans that have a right wing view vs the number that have a leftwing view is completely unbalanced. Surely there are americans that live here that are public figures that are left. Maybe Spider Robinson the Sci Fi author? But can someone help me out on this. WHo that is left in our national media circle is american? As pointed out eric margolis is american but isn't left.

George Victor

A large number of Americans came to Canada as war resisters and simply to protest U.S. positions.  They and their children have accomplished much...much more than native Canadians in proportion to their numbers.  But, of course, their progressive positions moved them here in the first place.

Naomi Klein, an independent writer, is the daughter of one such .   You are unlikely to find Canadian media execs hiring socialists.  :)

thorin_bane

Thanks geroge. I am just curious as to americans in the mainstream that like the canada they came to.

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