"Tough reception for Al-Jazeera bid in Canada"
April 3, 2009 - 1:06pm
Former CBC veteran faces several obstacles in getting CRTC nod
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/612936
OTTAWA–It was once condemned as "propaganda" by former U.S secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld. It's been slammed by Jewish groups for airing anti-Semitic views. And now Al-Jazeera wants to air on a television near you.
Tony Burman, the Canadian who is managing director of the Al-Jazeera Network, knows he is fighting history and stereotypes as he seeks regulatory approval to get the broadcaster's English service on Canadian airwaves.
But Burman, a CBC veteran, is asking people to judge Al-Jazeera's English network on its merits rather than the sometimes controversial record of its Arabic service ...
When al-Jazeera's last attempt to broadcast in Canada was refused, the CBC radio news item on the subject mentioned how it was hoped that this move would satisfy Bnai Brith.
Anyone know if I could get it on FTA? Doesn't the US also allow this channel? I read earlier that the bid was supposed to be good. Stupid Star.
http://english.aljazeera.net/
You know, there is always another way to access it, just start the market before the product. Al Jazeera can be blocked out of this country via cable or radio but there is always the internet, and B'nai Brith can whine and biatch about that all they want. Sure it's not necessarily fair, but if you start spreading it around it will make its way here eventually.
I enjoy watching and reading Al Jazeera reports and articles. I wish they could broadcast into Canada.
I find the quality of reporting to be more accurate than the CBC or CTV.
Al-Jazeera, unlike most western networks (including Canada's CBC, CTV, Global, etc.), showed the courage to thumb their nose at the Israeli blockade/ban of foreign journalists in Gaza during the recent bombing campaign and won the respect of media around the world.
Top global media praise al-jazeera
The remarks note that Canadian Tony Burman, a former editor at the CBC, was brought in to turn things around. The many comments praising the network are worth reading...
Maybe we could qote and hyperlink this news feed as often as possible when we post on blogs and forums.
For instance this on Obama's ratcheting up "Defence" spending:
Obama seeks $83bn more for US wars
Barack Obama is set to send thousands more
US troops to Afghanistan [AFP]
The US president has asked congress for $83.4bn for military and diplomatic operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Barack Obama said 95 per cent of the money he was requesting would go to support US military operations in Iraq and the effort to defeat al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
"The Taliban is resurgent and al-Qaeda threatens America from its safe haven along the Afghan-Pakistan border," Obama told Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House of Representatives, in a letter released by the White House.
The special measure also includes $3.6bn for the Afghanistan National Army.
Obama is also requesting $350m in new funding to increase security along the US-Mexico border and to combat drug gangs, and another $400m in counter-insurgency aid to Pakistan.
The US president's request, which includes money to send thousands of extra troops to Afghanistan, would push the cost of the two wars to almost $1 trillion since the September 11, 2001 attacks against the US, according to the Congressional Research Service.
I've watched Al jazeera's English language service(Youtube is so cool!) and their is nothing Anti semitic about it. It's pro Palestinian and favors the Israeli peace camp. No wonder the CJC is upset.
CBC, CTV and all those other networks can never report on issues in most 3rd world countries the way al jazeera can because al jazeera aint foreign in those countries it ppl from there reporting that they banned. The biggest enemy of tyranny is truth forget who said it but it the truth
I watch Al Jazeera on line. Not as comfy as in my easy chair but still I can see it. Good world news!
Avi Lewis is an antisemite
Just identifying the Israel lobby makes a person an antisemite. Everyone knows that.
From what I just saw on the video, and from what I've been reading here on Babble in the last few days, looks like Ziad Asali of the American Task Force for Palestine is the anti-Semite, as he equates Jews with Israel. While everybody else in the video refers to the Israel lobby, he refers to the "Jewish lobby."
You forgot to mention the so called "grand" Mufti of Jerusalem. You are slipping Joel.
So-called? You mean he was the Grand Poobah? I take it all back!
From what I just saw on the video, and from what I've been reading here on Babble in the last few days, looks like Ziad Asali of the American Task Force for Palestine is the anti-Semite, as he equates Jews with Israel. While everybody else in the video refers to the Israel lobby, he refers to the "Jewish lobby."
I suppose that one could be confused by all those Jews living in Israel and hearing commonplace references to "The Jewish State." Then again, Mr. Goldenberg, you may be correct in identifying anyone critical of Israel, especilly an Arab, as antsemitic, as this practice is commonplace as well.
Last night, during a bit he did on swine flu, Jon Stewart referred to Israelis as "The Jews."
That must make him an antisemite too. It's time to shut down The Daily Show and The Comedy Network.
If you are into FTA satellite you can already get A Jazeera ... you'll need a 39" dish (and a motor if you want to try viewing different satellites) and an FA receiver ... just point at 97w satellite and one of the free feeds is Al Jazeera. (With a motor and a good FTA receiver you can also get what's known as "Feeds" .. these are the live remote feeds used by the networks ... you get to see all the live action, including before and after the parts the networks show you, which can be very interesting.)
Also, google "miro" and get the miro player (a mixture of a video player and bittorrent downloader) that has all kinds of free and legal video sources, including Al Jazeera play lists ... but it also has many interesting documentaries well worth viewing.
Hi everyone,
We want Al Jazeera English!
Al Jazeera English is being considered for airing in Canada by the CRTC, Canada’s broadcast regulator. Tell the CRTC to give its approval to list AJE as an “eligible” service so that Canadian cable and satellite companies can carry it.The CRTC has begun a 30-day consultation period when Canadians are being asked whether AJE should be allowed in Canada. Comments must be received by the CRTC no later than June 8, 2009
Tell the CRTC that you want to see Al Jazeera English in Canada.
TAKE ACTION: http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/al_jazeera
Also, for more info please visit
http://democraticmedia.ca/aljazeera
Just go to their website and get it for free.
Just go to their website and get it for free.
The implication being that unjustifiable CRTC censorship of the prime means of TV distribution is OK as long as one can watch a tiny blurry image, or subscribe to it online? I don't think so.
al-Qu'Bong - Avi Lewis's peice on neo Nazis was better - and you even see him talking and hanging around with them.
Inside USA - Rise of Hate
I wonder what JUDES has been up to lately - Oh yes, JUDES is going to be the keynote speaker for the Independent Jewish Voices (Canada) - along with Rachael Corrie's parents. Wasn't Rachael Corrie the Pat Benetar fan? I wonder if JUDES will bring Al-Jazeera up?
The Star (www.thestar.com) has an online poll today on whether Al Jazeera should be allowed in Canada. We all know it is bound to be freeped - but let's see what we can do to limit the damage, eh?
The Star (www.thestar.com) has an online poll today on whether Al Jazeera should be allowed in Canada. We all know it is bound to be freeped - but let's see what we can do to limit the damage, eh?
The freep is already in.
But notice also the wording of the poll.
It's not: "Do you believe Al Jazeera English should be given a license to broadcast in Canada? "
but instead the ambiguous:
"Do you think the Qatar-based broadcaster Al Jazeera should be given a license to broadcast in Canada? "
And since problems were only alleged for the "Qatar-based" Arabic version of the network, (and this license request is only for Al Jazeera English) the poll is misleading--as well as milking every last racist respondent.
my only complaint is that if AJE does get their licesne how much will i have to pay bell or rogers for the right to watch the channel
my cable bill is already so high that mrs. miles just wants to throw out my hd tv hd box and wait for it my pvr
the inhumanity of it all.
:-)
Yeah I've done mine LTJ. It is definitely being freeped.
Miles, consider that you are probably already paying for Fox News (I point I brought up in the Star's comments section). I wanted that station to be removed form my stations but guess what? It can't be removed. I am stuck with that hateful channel and I am paying to fund it! I would gladly pay for AJ instead if we actually had a choice.
It boggles my mind how people are okay with Fox but freaked out by Al Jezeera (not aiming that at you miles, just in general)
I really, really like the Frost interviews that they have!
actually stargazer although fox is part of the package i asked them to not free the signal. they have kept it off my tv. i wont allow that crap in my house. so they gave me the golf channel instead....then i got it for free as part of hd
Rogers can actually take one station out of the package but the call centre people do not know how to do it. i had a problem and a rogers tech at my house joked that it is easy to do
What?? I can do that now? Last time I called them (which was when I switched to bell) they said I wouldn't be able to. Now I can get them to take it off!! Woot! happy day.
Thanks miles.
NP -- I had the tech guy at my house call someone to do something.
as I said i could not do it by calling the rogers call centre.
Bloody hell, I just got off the phone with Bell and they told me that Fox News is a part of the "basic programming option" and that I cannot remove it!!
Two things: why is Fox news considered a part of "basic programming" and why am I not allowed to get rid of it? I am pissed. I feel like I am in Orwell's 1984.
'Al Jazeera gaining favour in Canada'
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/659527
"Bernie Farber, head of the CJC, said Burman alleviated some of its fears when he proposed a consultation committee made up of the CJC and B'nai Brith Canada, to serve as a conduit for immediate complaints.."
Gross!
Gross? Sounds pretty savy of Burman.
No it sounds like whatever the CJC and BB object to will be censored. It is gross and undemocratic. Who gave these people the option to be the voice of the Canadian people, or Jewish people for that matter?
Funny how these two have no issue whatsoever with media bias as it is currently - very pro-Israel - but want to be our watchdogs on what is deemed acceptable. A "conduit for complaints"? And then they have the power to do what? Determine if and what news is anti-Israel? Determine if that news should be censored.
These two organizations have no right to determine jack shit fort me, or anyone else. Turn the channel if you don't like it. You would think they would be far more concerned about Fox News and that station's hate speech but no, let's silence any Arab voices we can. After all there isn't enough pro-Israel bias in the media. We definitely need more!
thats a little ridiculous to me. free press doesn't mean 'free press once bernie farber has had its say', it means free press. period.
This is all very tolerant of you. Jewish groups actually are aloud to express an opinion are they not?
This is all very tolerant of you. Jewish groups actually are aloud to express an opinion are they not?
LOL
Thanks for the link to the Avi Lewis piece, it was very interesting. Sorry, I don't remember who. I then followed the link to one on private cities, also very interesting, definitely the kind of news I am interested in.
Oh, they're "just expressing an opinion"? Do they speak for you Winnifred? Are you capable of seeing any wrongs whatsoever with these groups? None?
I do believe in freedom of speech. I want to be a committee to be a conduit for immediate complaints too! After all, I have a conciet that I speak for the entire left in Canada. Stargazer can be on it too if she likes.
I understood this consultation committee came as a recommendation from Al Jazeera.
The BB and CJC are going well beyond expressing an opinion here, winnifred, moreover your comments and theirs indicate a sense of privilege and gall, that go well beyond the acceptable threshhold.
OGS (OldgoatStargazer) Committee to Review Complaints That Really Piss Us Off.
Clearly Berman's taming and domestication of AJE is going swimmingly.
The BB and CJC are going well beyond expressing an opinion here, winnifred, moreover your comments and theirs indicate a sense of privilege and gall, that go well beyond the acceptable threshhold.
Remind, you are entering dangerous waters here. I understand jaku's concerns. While one can decry positions taken by any group or individual there are no limitations on free speech in Canada save what is not permiited by law.
Why would you limit Jewish groups from exercising their rights?
While one can decry positions taken by any group or individual there are no limitations on free speech in Canada save what is not permiited by law.
...there are limits to patience however, and you test those limits repeatedly.
Why would you limit Jewish groups from exercising their rights?
Just to be sure: You believe that it is their right to act as a censor/filter on the expression of others? And you believe this has something to do with supporting free speech?
Their right to limit free speech? So is this sort of like that lame argument that somehow we must tolerant bigots?
I'm seriously amazed at the pro CJC BB no matter what costs crowd on here. Doesn't the CJC have it's own PR people?
If this were a Israeli station and the CMC wanted to "review" the complaints you'd be up in arms over this. Now it's all about free speech. Funny how it's okay for one group but not for another.
Winnifred, I urge you to exercise your rights and just don't listen to the channel. Instead, you presume us to be complete idiots who can't tell who the bad guys are.
Why would you think you have a right to limit our rights? Or better yet why do you think your rights outweigh our rights, winnifred and jaku?
As it actually has nothing to do with limiting "Jewish groups" rights, it has to do with attempts to limit our rights.
This is all very tolerant of you. Jewish groups actually are aloud to express an opinion are they not?
What audacious crap, and cynical fart for "freedom of expression" .
"Expressing an opinion" is just that.
But allowing a lobby a review panel as gatekeeper for OTHER peoples expression is oppression.
Is the oil lobby to have a "review panel" for all environmental stories as well?
How exactly are BB and CJC limiting your rights? Actually both are on record as not opposing AJE. It was Tony Burman who offered the consultation committee, why arent you dumping then on him? All CJC ever said in relation to Al Jazeera English is that they have concerns. And this to you is over the top?
No, seems to me you are the ones trying to limit the rights of Jewish groups. Had CJC or BB opposed the license that would be one thing. Had they both demanded a consultative group that would be another. None of that happened so get a grip and try to see your own bias for a change.
This is all very tolerant of you. Jewish groups actually are aloud to express an opinion are they not?
What audacious crap, and cynical fart for "freedom of expression" .
"Expressing an opinion" is just that.
But allowing a lobby a review panel as gatekeeper for OTHER peoples expression is oppression.
Is the oil lobby to have a "review panel" for all environmental stories as well?
Here is exactly what CJC said about this consultation committee:
"Bernie Farber, head of the CJC, said Burman alleviated some of its fears when he proposed a consultation committee, made up of the CJC and B'nai Brith Canada, to serve as a conduit for immediate complaints. "That brought us some lessening of our angst, but we still remain concerned and vigilant," Farber said in an interview."
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/659527
So Burman proposed it . Farber said he's concerened and vigilant. And this you say is too much opinion by Jewish groups. Sometimes your blind disregard for the obvious is pretty sickening.
Actually Winnifred, your blind adherence to all things CJC, BB and Israel is pretty sickening. You really should have a look in the mirror. All this bullshit about needing the CJC to "watch" what comes out of AJE is bullshit and one-sided. Apparently Winnifred and Jaku both believe the media is currently unbiased. What world do you live in? Certainly not the one the rest of us live on.
Where's Stockholm to ask for names and addresses of the Israel Lobby that he says doesn't exist?
I don't have a link, but I recall that when Al-Jazeera was last refused a licence, the CBC radio report on the story said something to the effect that Bnai Brith was satisfied with the ruling. When babble's old threads become available again you can find the exact quote, as I posted it at the time...in a thread in which we were aguing with Bernie Farber about some hysterical nonsense he was spouting.
You're welcome, ennir.
How exactly are BB and CJC limiting your rights? Actually both are on record as not opposing AJE. It was Tony Burman who offered the consultation committee, why arent you dumping then on him? All CJC ever said in relation to Al Jazeera English is that they have concerns. And this to you is over the top?
No, seems to me you are the ones trying to limit the rights of Jewish groups. Had CJC or BB opposed the license that would be one thing. Had they both demanded a consultative group that would be another. None of that happened so get a grip and try to see your own bias for a change.
Again, what crap.
The "generous" position of Farber was only a fallback position when the CJC decided they might not, this time, manage getting the same impossible restrictions that prevented the non-english version from being carried:
Al Jazeera English to apply for licence within weeks
By SHELDON KIRSHNER
...But if Canadian Jewish Congress and the Canada-Israel Committee prevail, the licence won’t be granted unless the station complies with guidelines set down several years ago by the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission.
Five years ago, the CRTC granted Al-Jazeera English’s parent company, Al-Jazeera Arabic, permission to broadcast in Canada if it did not violate Canadian hate laws and if the Canadian cable and satellite carriers offering it kept recordings of all its broadcasts....
http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16346&
This CJC and BB do not represent all Jewish positions, they are a subset of "Jewish Groups", a subset that endorse the policies of the state of Israel--and prevent Jewish Groups such as the Alliance of Concerned Jewish Canadians from affiliating because they don't toe the line.
It is the CJC and BB, the pro-Israel subset of "Jewish Groups", that Tony Brumet felt the need to go cap in hand to molify with a "consultation committee"--not Independent Jewish Voices or other Jewish peace groups.
I am assuming that Tony Burman understands what most others understand and that is the fact that Canadian Jewish Congress and B'nai Brith are the two main groups that most Canadian Jews have a commonality with.
And what exactly is the problem with the Jewish Congress changing its position? Should it be prevented from doing that as well? I'm not saying that cjc is always right, far from it. But this thread is about trying to stifle Jewish groups, that seems pretty clear. If you don't like the CJC or B'nai brith position, write, scream, don't post here that these groups have too much power (which is how I read this thread) and should be silent or silenced.
What the hell does this have to do with freedom to express opinion? At what point in this thread did anyone's freedom of expression become threatened? Winnifred and Jaku, you've been free to express opinion here within stated babble policy, and have done so in your own hive-mind sort of way. Bernie is and will remain free to express his opinion, and I'm sure if he had to go 5 minutes without expressing an opinion he'd explode or something. We're all up to our wazoos in BB CJC opinions, and will continue to be indefinitely.
What I object to is living in a juristiction where political expediency involves outfits like the CJC BB to inserting themselves as filters in the public broadcasting of the news. It is not a compromise that should have had to have been made. We have an organisation supposedly responsible to the taxpayer for that purpose already. How dare Bernie Farber and his unaccountable organization impose themselves as a "conduit for complaints"
http://www.cjc.ca/template.php?action=itn&Story=2695
Bernie and his "angst".
Old goat you make my point. Farber et al have the right to have an opinion in a free society. So do you and all other Canadians. The thing that you refuse to see is that you disagree with their "opinion". Great, so do I. Heck, I even have the right to write to the CRTC as did the CJC and give voice to my opinion. I can write a dozen times a day if i want, that's what it means to live in a free society. Sometimes authorities will agree with me and at other times they won't same with CJC and B'nai brith.
I read that B'nai brith wanted the city of Toronto to stop the play "Seven Jewish Children". A dumbass move to be sure. By the way I didn't see that the Jewish Congress asked for it to be stopped but such nuance means little here. The play is still going strong, as it should be, across the country. Surprise no one listened to B'nai Brith. And that's my point we lessen our country's beaurty by complaining that Jewish groups speak out too much. More importantly those here (the majority it seems) who supportv a call for groups like Congress to be less out there, diminish themselves.
There is absolutely no way al jezzara will be allowed to operate in Canada on a mass scale anyways. They would undermine all the mid east propaganda the MSM rams down our throat on a daily basis. Sure Canada will entertain the idea to look(optics) like a democratic and free speech mecca but that's about it a big charade.
Can you imagine a tv or news channel airing how karzai thinks nato soldiers should be charged like common criminals for doing vriminal acts and god forbid the sentance is beheading....and airing it 24 /7 ...no way. Or how Isreal used chemical weapons on civilians and made it a debate that lasted months and months instead of a burried blurp. Ther is no way they will allow a news service to depict the truth...the msm here has got it too good and cozy with the powers that be.
I think they should be allowed to operate here..finally there would be a voice for truth that is totally lacking in the MSM. Good luck al jezzara
There is absolutely no way al jezzara will be allowed to operate in Canada on a mass scale anyways. They would undermine all the mid east propaganda the MSM rams down our throat on a daily basis. Sure Canada will entertain the idea to look(optics) like a democratic and free speech mecca but that's about it a big charade.
Can you imagine a tv or news channel airing how karzai thinks nato soldiers should be charged like common criminals for doing criminal acts and god forbid the sentence is beheading....and airing it 24 /7 ...no way. Or how Isreal used chemical weapons on civilians and made it a debate that lasted months and months instead of a buried blurp. There is no way they will allow a news service to depict the truth...the msm here has got it too good and cozy with the powers that be.
I think they should be allowed to operate here..finally there would be a voice for truth that is totally lacking in the MSM. Good luck al jezzara
Burman's AJE only looks good if you've previously been dependent on Burman's CBC
Pro-Israeli editors seek to influence Al-Jazeera International English
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5735.shtml
"there are already ominous signs that pro-Israeli sympathizers, some of them with a background in the BBC, are exerting control on the editorial positions of the new channel.."
and then along came Tony ...
Frankly Al Jazeera English is now looking a lot like CBC Newsworld. They are bending over backwards to placate the Zionist lobby.
it appears they hired the right man for the job. With his nifty suggestion of minders, it'll soon be fit for the canucklehead market and probably sell like hotcakes. But like the old saw about voting goes: if it did any good they'd make it illegal..
This zionist lobby represents how much of Canada? I'll bet a very tiny amount....This zionist lobby represents what country? I'll bet Isreal...We do not live in Isreal .
But I'll bet this zionist lobby represents over 50% of lawyers in Canada....and that's why the cbc and ctv and the government must appease them.
I want my Al Jezara tv...sing it to the zionist lobby
Unreal, am I on a progressive board? Buddy kat's last post needs to be closely assesed.
"But I'll bet this zionist lobby represents over 50% of lawyers in Canada....and that's why the cbc and ctv and the government must appease them.
I want my Al Jezara tv...sing it to the zionist lobby
"
Jews/lawyers yes I have heard this one before. Real ugly.
Are you conflating Jews with the Zionist lobby?
or lawyers...?
Or Hippies? Has anyone read Abbie Hoffman's account of when he and Jerry Rubin went to the New York Stock Exchange and threw dollar bills down among the stockbrokers, who went primal and fought for the money as it fell from the mezzanine?
Some security guy said that hippies should be thrown out of the place. Hoffman replied, "But we're Jews! Are you going to ban Jews from the Stock Exchange too?"
Yes I am placing the Zionist the Jew and the Israeli , same no? and the majority of lawyers and neocons in the same basket. A good representative of the right wing establishment but ironically I find the conservative to be nazi like..go figure. It all boils down to fanatisim..they are all fanatics. Like all fanatics logic and reason get in the way and they bulldoze or bully their way thru their fanatic dogma forcing their veiws on everyone.
In Canada they represent a minority but swing way too much power. That they can dictate who,what,where and why we view any information is disturbing.
At least they haven't been able to destroy the Internet yet but I'm sure they are trying every devious and probably legal means necessary to do so, if not they will make a law to allow themselves to.
What I would like to know is who gave them all this power? Could it be the majority of Canadians allowed themselves to be manipulated out of existence by their media. Or do they really have that much financial clout? Even more reason to have some alternate perspectives media wise.
Don't get me wrong I'm not antisemetic or racist , I just don't like being subjected to the neurosis of some powerful people in a lobby group. Nor should any body else, including the crtc.
But this thread is about trying to stifle Jewish groups, that seems pretty clear. If you don't like the CJC or B'nai brith position, write, scream, don't post here that these groups have too much power (which is how I read this thread) and should be silent or silenced.
Actually I got the impression that this thread was about certain Jewish groups attempting to stifle the voices of others. Silly me.
A quote from Burman from the CJC link above... "Canada is one of the only countries in the world that has neither Al Jazeera English or Al Jazeera Arabic, including the United States and Israel,"
We can all thank the CJC and BB for this privilege, and for preventing George Galloway from appearing in person to speak to a number of anti-war/peace activist groups in Canada. Please, tell us again how this is not about Freedom of Speech.
And we should all be grateful that our mainstream media is so good at tailoring the news for Canadian consumption. For example:
Reuters Asks a Chain to Remove Its Bylines
Unreal, am I on a progressive board? Buddy kat's last post needs to be closely assesed.
"But I'll bet this zionist lobby represents over 50% of lawyers in Canada....and that's why the cbc and ctv and the government must appease them.
I want my Al Jezara tv...sing it to the zionist lobby
"
Jews/lawyers yes I have heard this one before. Real ugly.
Let me go look in the phone book..walks and looks into the phone book. Boy have things changed over the years perhaps the zionists and Jews aren't all that powerful in the lawyer world like they used to be. Holy smokes T. merchant is now a 2 page group. Years ago he was just a line. There was a time tho when it was very obvious. Well if the crtc allows itself to be intimidated by a small group of zionists there is something fishy going on.
Or Hippies? Has anyone read Abbie Hoffman's account of when he and Jerry Rubin went to the New York Stock Exchange and threw dollar bills down among the stockbrokers, who went primal and fought for the money as it fell from the mezzanine?
delightful...
like the 'Free Money Here' vat scene from Peter Seller's 1969 flik: 'The Magic Christian'
The Revolution's here..
http://www.youtube.com/user/gulagospheremfg (videos 5)
Buddy Kat, raising the specter of some "Zionist lobby" comprising half the lawyers in the country who must be appeased by the leaders is, well, pretty iffy. I realize you didn't come right out and stereotype Jews as lawyers who attempt to control everything, but I can understand how people might have taken it that way. If that's not what you were getting at, then please try to express yourself more clearly in future. Thanks.
Yes I am placing the Zionist the Jew and the Israeli , same no?....
NO
Buddy Kat, raising the specter of some "Zionist lobby" comprising half the lawyers in the country who must be appeased by the leaders is, well, pretty iffy. I realize you didn't come right out and stereotype Jews as lawyers who attempt to control everything, but I can understand how people might have taken it that way. If that's not what you were getting at, then please try to express yourself more clearly in future. Thanks.
I think this sentence is pretty indicative of how Buddy Kat views the world:
"Yes I am placing the Zionist the Jew and the Israeli , same no? and the majority of lawyers and neocons in the same basket."
Buddy Kat, Gus' point is well taken. I hope this was a mistake on your part but given your consistancy I hardly think so.
Gus Williams keeps talking about "Jewish groups" - referring to groups that idolize the Israeli racists and war criminals.
Gus Williams is peddling the new antisemitism - the slanderous lie that Jews are agents or supporters of Israel. He is the other side of the coin of those so-called "anti-zionists" who are actually anti-Jewish neo-Nazis (no shortage of them on the web).
It's like talking about the G8 as "Christian governments". Or referring to Saudi Arabia and Egypt as "Muslim states".
There is nothing Jewish about B'nai Brith and the CJC. They are political organizations who ban Jews that don't agree with them.
One day I'm going to buy that man a beer.
Unionist is peddling utter nonsense. God knows he hates Canadian Jewish Congress and B'nai Brith but anyone will know that they are properly referred to as "Jewish groups".
What I find more disturbing is that no one, Uninonist or any of the mods seem to give a rats ass about this Buddy Kat who has engaged in some pretty distasteful and bigoted language about Jews and Lawyers.
What I find more disturbing is that no one, Uninonist or any of the mods seem to give a rats ass about this Buddy Kat who has engaged in some pretty distasteful and bigoted language about Jews and Lawyers.
The difference between me and the pro-Israeli-war-criminals on this board over the years is that I get pretty antagonistic over any hint of antisemitism here, which you would know if you had been around. The others, however, are too busy defending Israel and Stephen Harper to notice.
As for Buddy Kat, I read his comments carefully and think he didn't mean anything antisemitic by them, even though his remarks about lawyers were ignorant and could be read that way. I've read his posts over the years and considered the context accordingly. If I'm wrong, let him say so, and he will stand condemned.
Buddy Kat, raising the specter of some "Zionist lobby" comprising half the lawyers in the country who must be appeased by the leaders is, well, pretty iffy. I realize you didn't come right out and stereotype Jews as lawyers who attempt to control everything, but I can understand how people might have taken it that way. If that's not what you were getting at, then please try to express yourself more clearly in future. Thanks.
I think this sentence is pretty indicative of how Buddy Kat views the world:
"Yes I am placing the Zionist the Jew and the Israeli , same no? and the majority of lawyers and neocons in the same basket."
Regarding the lawyer thing ..I think I made it clear that after checking the phone book I noticed it wasn't as bad as it used to be. The lawyers nowadays seem by surname alone to be a good representation of the country. Regarding world views:
Well my view of the world has very little to do with Zionists jews and Israelites. They represent but a mere pittance of the population and intellect of the world, therefore my world views have very little to do with them. Your world however might be different and they might represent your entire world view.
However in this part of the world (Canada) my view basically is the same . A tiny group wields too much power .They know full well the power the media has on people from this part of the world..that's all. It will be a sad day in this country if al jezera isn't allowed to broadcast here. Will that mean you won the battle..hardly , it will just re-enforce what I'm saying. If they are allowed to broadcast here...you will lose some of the power that you have here , that's for sure. Maybe then you can resort to your ace up the sleeve....the Canadian lawyer. I'm sure you will use an Arab one ehhh?
Regarding the lawyer thing ..I think I made it clear that after checking the phone book I noticed it wasn't as bad as it used to be. The lawyers nowadays seem by surname alone to be a good representation of the country. Regarding world views:
"As bad as?" "By checking the phone book?"
Sorry Buddy Kat but IMHO you've crossed the line into anti-semitism here. And I'm speaking as probably one of the few folks participating in this discussion who's been to the West Bank and seen Israeli apartheid in action.
Thanks for coming out a little more openly with your feelings, Buddy Kat. But I strongly suggest you keep such feelings to yourself, because they're offensive, paranoid, and stereotyping.
Buddy clearly has some issues he needs to sort out. At the very minimum, he too easily resorts to stereotyping, and clearly suffers a bit of paranoia. I hope that's all that's at work here, and I hope he thinks it over for a while and comes back a little more self-conscious.
On the other hand, his issues and confusion seem no worse than Gus Williams', or Winnifred's - whom we've tolerated for a long time around here.
I definitely agree that assuming all lawyers with Jewish-sounding surnames to be Zionists is crossing the line.
"I definitely agree that assuming all lawyers with Jewish-sounding surnames to be Zionists is crossing the line".
...and assuming all lawyers without Jewish-sounding names (whatever that is) are not Zionists, is just plain wrong.
Regarding the lawyer thing ..I think I made it clear that after checking the phone book I noticed it wasn't as bad as it used to be. The lawyers nowadays seem by surname alone to be a good representation of the country. Regarding world views:
"As bad as?" "By checking the phone book?"
Sorry Buddy Kat but IMHO you've crossed the line into anti-semitism here. And I'm speaking as probably one of the few folks participating in this discussion who's been to the West Bank and seen Israeli apartheid in action.
The "as bad as" comment refers to the once unbalanced amount of lawyers from my observations and doesn’t mean it was a bad thing just unbalanced to me. I did do a google on jews and lawyers and was shocked at the amount of stereotyping out there. What was more shocking was seeing doctors included in the mess. That is something I never ever noticed and don’t agree with at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkM5eyN8ytI&feature=user
On the other hand, his issues and confusion seem no worse than Gus Williams', or Winnifred's - whom we've tolerated for a long time around here.
I will also point out that Buddy Kat also feeds into the "Jews as having more power than others" fallacy. There is more here than just lawyers.
Buddy Kat: "However in this part of the world (Canada) my view basically is the same . A tiny group wields too much power .They know full well the power the media has on people from this part of the world..that's all. It will be a sad day in this country if al jezera isn't allowed to broadcast here. Will that mean you won the battle..hardly , it will just re-enforce what I'm saying. If they are allowed to broadcast here...you will lose some of the power that you have here , that's for sure. Maybe then you can resort to your ace up the sleeve....the Canadian lawyer. I'm sure you will use an Arab one ehhh?"
Well from this thread it should be very clear to al jezeera that they had better dot every i and cross every T because everything they say will be heavily scrutinized by these anti al jezeera lobbyists and from one angle only...who's paranoid? Because of that I doubt al jezeera will last too long in Canada anyways. Only one way to find out and that's to let them broadcast here.
Well from this thread it should be very clear to al jezeera that they had better dot every i and cross every T because everything they say will be heavily scrutinized by these anti al jezeera lobbyists and from one angle only...who's paranoid? Because of that I doubt al jezeera will last too long in Canada anyways. Only one way to find out and that's to let them broadcast here.
Well from this thread it should be very clear to al jezeera that they had better dot every i and cross every T because everything they say will be heavily scrutinized by these anti al jezeera lobbyists and from one angle only...who's paranoid? Because of that I doubt al jezeera will last too long in Canada anyways. Only one way to find out and that's to let them broadcast here.
Cool - I was on vacation when Al Jazeera was approved by the CTRC.
CRTC approves Al-Jazeera for Canadian viewers - CTV news, July 16.
Rogers indicated it may not carry it - too much work to monitor - right.
Al Jazeera is a great news network- it can have all the polish and presentation of a BBC newscast, with gritty journalism offering both sides of a story. You will be impressed when you have a chance to see it.
Here is a great opinion piece by Haroon Siddiqui that appeared in the Toronto Star just before it was approved.
It's a good day for Canada.
I watch Al Jazeera on my ipod. The app is free and it works very well. It's a different perspective in many ways. Al Jazeera seems to share the BBC's contempt for anything that smacks of socialism, though. Doubtless that helps to reassure our overlords ....
Al-Jazeera English, the English-language service of the Qatar-based broadcaster, has been approved for distribution via satellite in Canada.
I heard about this ruling today on the local CBC radio station. The person supplying the information said that the English al-Jazeera station was run by a nice former CBC employee named Tony Burman and was nothing like that nasty Arabic al-Jazeera. I don't suppose the CJC will complain to the CRTC about the blantant anti-Arab racism of the CBC.
I don't suppose the CJC will complain to the CRTC about the blantant anti-Arab racism of the CBC.
Examples?
Just received the e-mail - it's approved.
Damn thought rosa had decided to return
You don't think Avi Lewis' reports from California will balance things, rosa? :)
I may get this if Shaw gets it. I am sure there will be a free preview. CNN International I wish we could get here.
Newsnet, Newsworld, Fox, Global, CNN and the headline news CNN all suck. They are not even news. MSNBC is good and BBC World is great, CNN International the one time I saw it seemed good and nothing like the 'fluff' version we get.
CBC used to be great at one time, even BCTV used to be great until the mid 90's.
It seems most North America so called alleged media does not know how to report or investigate news and issues anymore. It is a real shame. No one really asks the tough questions or the questions that need to be asked anymore.
I think a lot of the degeneration started when reporters started going to journalism schools they lost 'something' and basically now if you have a pretty face, nice body, eyes are level, can talk you are hired.
Where are the Jack Websters? Marjorie Nichols? Pat Burns? Walter Cronkites? etc now a days?
Saban was first reported to be negotiating the purchase of half the Doha -based network in 2004, after visiting the emirate with former U.S. President Bill Clinton. ....
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1119662.html
In a 2004 glowing profile, the NYT described Saban as "throwing his weight and money around Washington and, increasingly, the world, trying to influence all things Israeli," and in that article, Saban told the NYT: "I'm a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel."
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/08/12/ohanlon/
Al Jazeera Journalist Resigns over Syria and Bahrain Coverage
Who would have guessed that a newspaper based in a fully imperialist western-friendly country would be so biased?
Shocking beyond belief I know.
Haven't heard any news of Tony Burman resigning...He feels right at home in such an organization.