"Tough reception for Al-Jazeera bid in Canada"

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Stargazer

Actually Winnifred, your blind adherence to all things CJC, BB and Israel is pretty sickening. You really should have a look in the mirror. All this bullshit about needing the CJC to "watch" what comes out of AJE is bullshit and one-sided. Apparently Winnifred and Jaku both believe the media is currently unbiased. What world do you live in? Certainly not the one the rest of us live on.

 

 

al-Qa'bong

Where's Stockholm to ask for names and addresses of the Israel Lobby that he says doesn't exist?

I don't have a link, but I recall that when Al-Jazeera was last refused a licence, the CBC radio report on the story said something to the effect that Bnai Brith was satisfied with the ruling.  When babble's old threads become available again you can find the exact quote, as I posted it at the time...in a thread in which we were aguing with Bernie Farber about some hysterical nonsense he was spouting.

 

You're welcome, ennir.

contrarianna

Jaku wrote:

How exactly are BB and CJC limiting your rights? Actually both are on record as not opposing AJE. It was Tony Burman who offered the consultation committee, why arent you dumping then on him? All CJC ever said in relation to Al Jazeera English is that they have concerns. And this to you is over the top?

No, seems to me you are the ones trying to limit the rights of Jewish groups. Had CJC or BB opposed the license that would be one thing. Had they both demanded a consultative group that would be another. None of that happened so get a grip and try to see your own bias for a change.

Again, what crap.

The "generous" position of Farber was only a fallback position when the CJC decided they might not, this time, manage getting the same impossible restrictions that prevented the non-english version from being carried:

Quote:

Al Jazeera English to apply for licence within weeks
By SHELDON KIRSHNER
...But if Canadian Jewish Congress and the Canada-Israel Committee prevail, the licence won’t be granted unless the station complies with guidelines set down several years ago by the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission.

Five years ago, the CRTC granted Al-Jazeera English’s parent company, Al-Jazeera Arabic, permission to broadcast in Canada if it did not violate Canadian hate laws and if the Canadian cable and satellite carriers offering it kept recordings of all its broadcasts....

http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16346&

This CJC and BB do not represent all Jewish positions, they are a subset of "Jewish Groups", a subset that endorse the policies of the state of Israel--and prevent Jewish Groups such as the Alliance of Concerned Jewish Canadians from affiliating because they don't toe the line.

It is the CJC and BB, the pro-Israel subset of "Jewish Groups", that Tony Brumet felt the need to go cap in hand to molify with a "consultation committee"--not Independent Jewish Voices or other Jewish peace groups.

Gus Williams

I am assuming that Tony Burman understands what most others understand and that is the fact that Canadian Jewish Congress and B'nai Brith are the two main groups that most Canadian Jews have a commonality with.

And what exactly is the problem with the Jewish Congress changing its position? Should it be prevented from doing that as well? I'm not saying that cjc is always right, far from it. But this thread is about trying to stifle Jewish groups, that seems pretty clear. If you don't like the CJC or B'nai brith position, write, scream, don't post here that these groups have too much power (which is how I read this thread) and should be silent or silenced.

oldgoat

What the hell does this have to do with freedom to express opinion?  At what point in this thread did anyone's freedom of expression become threatened?  Winnifred and Jaku, you've been free to express opinion here within stated babble policy, and have done so in your own hive-mind sort of way.  Bernie is and will remain free to express his opinion, and I'm sure if he had to go 5 minutes without expressing an opinion he'd explode or something.  We're all up to our wazoos in BB CJC opinions, and will continue to be indefinitely.

 

What I object to is living in a juristiction where political expediency involves outfits like the CJC BB to inserting themselves as filters in the public broadcasting of the news.  It is not a compromise that should have had to have been made.  We have an organisation supposedly responsible to the taxpayer for that purpose already.  How dare Bernie Farber and his unaccountable organization impose themselves as a "conduit for complaints"

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Gus Williams

Old goat you make my point. Farber et al have the right to have an opinion in a free society. So do you and all other Canadians. The thing that you refuse to see is that you disagree with their "opinion". Great, so do I. Heck, I even have the right to write to the CRTC as did the CJC and give voice to my opinion. I can write a dozen times a day if i want, that's what it means to live in a free society. Sometimes authorities will agree with me and at other times they won't same with CJC and B'nai brith.

I read that B'nai brith wanted the city of Toronto to stop the play "Seven Jewish Children". A dumbass move to be sure. By the way I didn't see that the Jewish Congress asked for it to be stopped but such nuance means little here. The play is still going strong, as it should be, across the country. Surprise no one listened to B'nai Brith. And that's my point we lessen our country's beaurty by complaining that Jewish groups speak out too much. More importantly those here (the majority it seems) who supportv a call for groups like Congress to be less out there, diminish themselves.

Buddy Kat

There is absolutely no way al jezzara will be allowed to operate in Canada on a mass scale anyways. They would undermine all the mid east propaganda the MSM rams down our throat on a daily basis. Sure Canada will entertain the idea to look(optics) like a democratic and free speech mecca but that's about it a big charade.

 

Can you imagine a tv or news channel airing how karzai thinks nato soldiers should be charged like common criminals for doing vriminal acts and god forbid the sentance is beheading....and airing it 24 /7 ...no way. Or how Isreal used chemical weapons on civilians and made it a debate that lasted months and months instead of a burried blurp. Ther is no way they will allow a news service to depict the truth...the msm here has got it too good and cozy with the powers that be.

 

I think they should be allowed to operate here..finally there would be a voice for truth that is totally lacking in the MSM. Good luck al jezzara

Buddy Kat

There is absolutely no way al jezzara will be allowed to operate in Canada on a mass scale anyways. They would undermine all the mid east propaganda the MSM rams down our throat on a daily basis. Sure Canada will entertain the idea to look(optics) like a democratic and free speech mecca but that's about it a big charade.

 

Can you imagine a tv or news channel airing how karzai thinks nato soldiers should be charged like common criminals for doing criminal acts and god forbid the sentence is beheading....and airing it 24 /7 ...no way. Or how Isreal used chemical weapons on civilians and made it a debate that lasted months and months instead of a buried blurp. There is no way they will allow a news service to depict the truth...the msm here has got it too good and cozy with the powers that be.

 

I think they should be allowed to operate here..finally there would be a voice for truth that is totally lacking in the MSM. Good luck al jezzara

NDPP

 

Burman's AJE only looks good if you've previously been dependent on Burman's CBC

Pro-Israeli editors seek to influence Al-Jazeera International English

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5735.shtml

"there are already ominous signs that pro-Israeli sympathizers, some of them with a background in the BBC, are exerting control on the editorial positions of the new channel.."

and then along came Tony ...

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Frankly Al Jazeera English is now looking a lot like CBC Newsworld. They are bending over backwards to placate the Zionist lobby.

NDPP

it appears they hired the right man for the job. With his nifty suggestion of minders, it'll soon be fit for the canucklehead market and probably sell like hotcakes. But like the old saw about voting goes: if it did any good they'd make it illegal..

Buddy Kat

This zionist lobby represents how much of Canada? I'll bet a very tiny amount....This zionist lobby represents what country? I'll bet Isreal...We do not live in Isreal .

But I'll bet this zionist lobby represents over 50% of lawyers in Canada....and that's why the cbc and ctv and the government must appease them.

I want my Al Jezara tv...sing it to the zionist lobbySealed

Gus Williams

Unreal, am I on a progressive board? Buddy kat's last post needs to be closely assesed.

 

"But I'll bet this zionist lobby represents over 50% of lawyers in Canada....and that's why the cbc and ctv and the government must appease them.

I want my Al Jezara tv...sing it to the zionist lobbySealed"

 

Jews/lawyers yes I have heard this one before. Real ugly.

remind remind's picture

Are you conflating Jews with the Zionist lobby?

NDPP

or lawyers...?

al-Qa'bong

Or Hippies?  Has anyone read Abbie Hoffman's account of when he and Jerry Rubin went to the New York Stock Exchange and threw dollar bills down among the stockbrokers, who went primal and fought for the money as it fell from the mezzanine? 

 

Some security guy said that hippies should be thrown out of the place.  Hoffman replied, "But we're Jews!  Are you going to ban Jews from the Stock Exchange too?"

Buddy Kat

Yes I am placing the Zionist the Jew and the Israeli , same no? and the majority of lawyers and neocons in the same basket. A good representative of the right wing establishment but ironically I find the conservative to be nazi like..go figure. It all boils down to fanatisim..they are all fanatics. Like all fanatics logic and reason get in the way and they bulldoze or bully their way thru their fanatic dogma forcing their veiws on everyone.

In Canada they represent a minority but swing way too much power. That they can dictate who,what,where and why we view any information is disturbing.
At least they haven't been able to destroy the Internet yet but I'm sure they are trying every devious and probably legal means necessary to do so, if not they will make a law to allow themselves to.

What I would like to know is who gave them all this power? Could it be the majority of Canadians allowed themselves to be manipulated out of existence by their media. Or do they really have that much financial clout? Even more reason to have some alternate perspectives media wise.

Don't get me wrong I'm not antisemetic or racist , I just don't like being subjected to the neurosis of some powerful people in a lobby group. Nor should any body else, including the crtc.

 

Diogenes Diogenes's picture

Gus Williams wrote:

But this thread is about trying to stifle Jewish groups, that seems pretty clear. If you don't like the CJC or B'nai brith position, write, scream, don't post here that these groups have too much power (which is how I read this thread) and should be silent or silenced.

Actually I got the impression that this thread was about certain Jewish groups attempting to stifle the voices of others. Silly me.

A quote from Burman from the CJC link above... "Canada is one of the only countries in the world that has neither Al Jazeera English or Al Jazeera Arabic, including the United States and Israel,"

We can all thank the CJC and BB for this privilege, and for preventing George Galloway from appearing in person to speak to a number of anti-war/peace activist groups in Canada. Please, tell us again how this is not about Freedom of Speech.

And we should all be grateful that our mainstream media is so good at tailoring the news for Canadian consumption. For example:

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/20/business/media/20reuters.html?_r=3]Reu... Asks a Chain to Remove Its Bylines[/url]

Buddy Kat

Gus Williams wrote:

Unreal, am I on a progressive board? Buddy kat's last post needs to be closely assesed.

 

"But I'll bet this zionist lobby represents over 50% of lawyers in Canada....and that's why the cbc and ctv and the government must appease them.

I want my Al Jezara tv...sing it to the zionist lobbySealed"

 

Jews/lawyers yes I have heard this one before. Real ugly.

 

 

 

Let me go look in the phone book..walks and looks into the phone book. Boy have things changed over the years perhaps the zionists and Jews aren't all that powerful in the lawyer world like they used to be. Holy smokes T. merchant is now a 2 page group. Years ago he was just a line. There was a time tho when it was very obvious. Well if the crtc allows itself to be intimidated by a small group of zionists there is something fishy going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkM5eyN8ytI&feature=user

NDPP

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Or Hippies?  Has anyone read Abbie Hoffman's account of when he and Jerry Rubin went to the New York Stock Exchange and threw dollar bills down among the stockbrokers, who went primal and fought for the money as it fell from the mezzanine? 

NDPP

delightful...

like the 'Free Money Here' vat scene from Peter Seller's 1969 flik: 'The Magic Christian'

The Revolution's here..

http://www.youtube.com/user/gulagospheremfg  (videos 5)

Michelle

Buddy Kat, raising the specter of some "Zionist lobby" comprising half the lawyers in the country who must be appeased by the leaders is, well, pretty iffy.  I realize you didn't come right out and stereotype Jews as lawyers who attempt to control everything, but I can understand how people might have taken it that way.  If that's not what you were getting at, then please try to express yourself more clearly in future.  Thanks.

contrarianna

Buddy Kat wrote:

Yes I am placing the Zionist the Jew and the Israeli , same no?....

NO

 

Gus Williams

Michelle wrote:

Buddy Kat, raising the specter of some "Zionist lobby" comprising half the lawyers in the country who must be appeased by the leaders is, well, pretty iffy.  I realize you didn't come right out and stereotype Jews as lawyers who attempt to control everything, but I can understand how people might have taken it that way.  If that's not what you were getting at, then please try to express yourself more clearly in future.  Thanks.

I think this sentence is pretty indicative of how Buddy Kat views the world:

"Yes I am placing the Zionist the Jew and the Israeli , same no? and the majority of lawyers and neocons in the same basket."

 

 

Winnifred

Buddy Kat, Gus' point is well taken. I hope this was a mistake on your part but given your consistancy I hardly think so.

Unionist

Gus Williams keeps talking about "Jewish groups" - referring to groups that idolize the Israeli racists and war criminals.

Gus Williams is peddling the new antisemitism - the slanderous lie that Jews are agents or supporters of Israel. He is the other side of the coin of those so-called "anti-zionists" who are actually anti-Jewish neo-Nazis (no shortage of them on the web).

It's like talking about the G8 as "Christian governments". Or referring to Saudi Arabia and Egypt as "Muslim states".

There is nothing Jewish about B'nai Brith and the CJC. They are political organizations who ban Jews that don't agree with them.

 

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

One day I'm going to buy that man a beer.

Gus Williams

Unionist is peddling utter nonsense. God knows he hates Canadian Jewish Congress and B'nai Brith but anyone will know that they are properly referred to as "Jewish groups".

What I find more disturbing is that no one, Uninonist or any of the mods seem to give a rats ass about this Buddy Kat who has engaged in some pretty distasteful and bigoted language about Jews and Lawyers. Surprised

Unionist

Gus Williams wrote:

 

What I find more disturbing is that no one, Uninonist or any of the mods seem to give a rats ass about this Buddy Kat who has engaged in some pretty distasteful and bigoted language about Jews and Lawyers. Surprised

The difference between me and the pro-Israeli-war-criminals on this board over the years is that I get pretty antagonistic over any hint of antisemitism here, which you would know if you had been around. The others, however, are too busy defending Israel and Stephen Harper to notice.

As for Buddy Kat, I read his comments carefully and think he didn't mean anything antisemitic by them, even though his remarks about lawyers were ignorant and could be read that way. I've read his posts over the years and considered the context accordingly. If I'm wrong, let him say so, and he will stand condemned.

Buddy Kat

Gus Williams wrote:

Michelle wrote:

Buddy Kat, raising the specter of some "Zionist lobby" comprising half the lawyers in the country who must be appeased by the leaders is, well, pretty iffy.  I realize you didn't come right out and stereotype Jews as lawyers who attempt to control everything, but I can understand how people might have taken it that way.  If that's not what you were getting at, then please try to express yourself more clearly in future.  Thanks.

I think this sentence is pretty indicative of how Buddy Kat views the world:

"Yes I am placing the Zionist the Jew and the Israeli , same no? and the majority of lawyers and neocons in the same basket."

 

Regarding the lawyer thing ..I think I made it clear that after checking the phone book I noticed it wasn't as bad as it used to be. The lawyers nowadays seem by surname alone to be a good representation of the country. Regarding world views:

Well my view of the world has very little to do with Zionists jews and Israelites. They represent but a mere pittance of the population and intellect of the world, therefore my world views have very little to do with them. Your world however might be different and they might represent your entire world view.

However in this part of the world (Canada) my view basically is the same . A tiny group wields too much power .They know full well the power the media has on people from this part of the world..that's all. It will be a sad day in this country if al jezera isn't allowed to broadcast here. Will that mean you won the battle..hardly , it will just re-enforce what I'm saying. If they are allowed to broadcast here...you will lose some of the power that you have here , that's for sure. Maybe then you can resort to your ace up the sleeve....the Canadian lawyer. I'm sure you will use an Arab one ehhh?

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkM5eyN8ytI&feature=user

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

Buddy Kat wrote:

 

Regarding the lawyer thing ..I think I made it clear that after checking the phone book I noticed it wasn't as bad as it used to be. The lawyers nowadays seem by surname alone to be a good representation of the country. Regarding world views:

"As bad as?"  "By checking the phone book?"

Sorry Buddy Kat but IMHO you've crossed the line into anti-semitism here.    And I'm speaking as probably one of the few folks participating in this discussion who's been to the West Bank and seen Israeli apartheid in action.

Unionist

Thanks for coming out a little more openly with your feelings, Buddy Kat. But I strongly suggest you keep such feelings to yourself, because they're offensive, paranoid, and stereotyping.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Buddy clearly has some issues he needs to sort out. At the very minimum, he too easily resorts to stereotyping, and clearly suffers a bit of paranoia. I hope that's all that's at work here, and I hope he thinks it over for a while and comes back a little more self-conscious.

On the other hand, his issues and confusion seem no worse than Gus Williams', or Winnifred's - whom we've tolerated for a long time around here.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

I definitely agree that assuming all lawyers with Jewish-sounding surnames to be Zionists is crossing the line.

Croghan27

"I definitely agree that assuming all lawyers with Jewish-sounding surnames to be Zionists is crossing the line".

...and assuming all lawyers without Jewish-sounding names (whatever that is) are not Zionists, is just plain wrong.

Buddy Kat

radiorahim wrote:

Buddy Kat wrote:

 

Regarding the lawyer thing ..I think I made it clear that after checking the phone book I noticed it wasn't as bad as it used to be. The lawyers nowadays seem by surname alone to be a good representation of the country. Regarding world views:

"As bad as?"  "By checking the phone book?"

Sorry Buddy Kat but IMHO you've crossed the line into anti-semitism here.    And I'm speaking as probably one of the few folks participating in this discussion who's been to the West Bank and seen Israeli apartheid in action.

The "as bad as" comment refers to the once unbalanced amount of lawyers from my observations and doesn’t mean it was a bad thing just unbalanced to me. I did do a google on jews and lawyers and was shocked at the amount of stereotyping out there. What was more shocking was seeing doctors included in the mess. That is something I never ever noticed and don’t agree with at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkM5eyN8ytI&feature=user

Gus Williams

Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

On the other hand, his issues and confusion seem no worse than Gus Williams', or Winnifred's - whom we've tolerated for a long time around here.

I have no idea where this accusation comes from. The comparision with Buddy Kat is improper.

I will also point out that Buddy Kat also feeds into the "Jews as having more power than others"  fallacy. There is more here than just lawyers.

Buddy Kat: "However in this part of the world (Canada) my view basically is the same . A tiny group wields too much power .They know full well the power the media has on people from this part of the world..that's all. It will be a sad day in this country if al jezera isn't allowed to broadcast here. Will that mean you won the battle..hardly , it will just re-enforce what I'm saying. If they are allowed to broadcast here...you will lose some of the power that you have here , that's for sure. Maybe then you can resort to your ace up the sleeve....the Canadian lawyer. I'm sure you will use an Arab one ehhh?"

Buddy Kat

Well from this thread it should be very clear to al jezeera that they had better dot every i and cross every T because everything they say will be heavily scrutinized by these anti al jezeera lobbyists and from one angle only...who's paranoid?  Because of that I doubt al jezeera will last too long in Canada anyways. Only one way to find out and that's to let them broadcast here.

 

Buddy Kat

Well from this thread it should be very clear to al jezeera that they had better dot every i and cross every T because everything they say will be heavily scrutinized by these anti al jezeera lobbyists and from one angle only...who's paranoid?  Because of that I doubt al jezeera will last too long in Canada anyways. Only one way to find out and that's to let them broadcast here.

 

Buddy Kat

Well from this thread it should be very clear to al jezeera that they had better dot every i and cross every T because everything they say will be heavily scrutinized by these anti al jezeera lobbyists and from one angle only...who's paranoid?  Because of that I doubt al jezeera will last too long in Canada anyways. Only one way to find out and that's to let them broadcast here.

 

Diogenes Diogenes's picture

Cool - I was on vacation when Al Jazeera was approved by the CTRC.

CRTC approves Al-Jazeera for Canadian viewers - CTV news, July 16.

Rogers indicated it may not carry it - too much work to monitor - right.

Al Jazeera is a great news network- it can have all the polish and presentation of a BBC newscast, with gritty journalism offering both sides of a story. You will be impressed when you have a chance to see it.

Here is a great opinion piece by Haroon Siddiqui that appeared in the Toronto Star just before it was approved.

It's a good day for Canada.

RosaL

I watch Al Jazeera on my ipod. The app is free and it works very well. It's a different perspective in many ways. Al Jazeera seems to share the BBC's contempt for anything that smacks of socialism, though. Doubtless that helps to reassure our overlords .... 

 

al-Qa'bong

Al-Jazeera English, the English-language service of the Qatar-based broadcaster, has been approved for distribution via satellite in Canada.

 

Quote:
The Canadian Jewish Congress and B'nai Brith Canada had expressed concerns about how balanced Al-Jazeera's reporting would be, but they neither opposed nor supported the application. The Jewish organizations instead urged vigilance in case the news service engages in Holocaust denial or other anti-Semitic statements

 

I heard about this ruling today on the local CBC radio station. The person supplying the information said that the English al-Jazeera station was run by a nice former CBC employee named Tony Burman and was nothing like that nasty Arabic al-Jazeera. I don't suppose the CJC will complain to the CRTC about the blantant anti-Arab racism of the CBC.

Diogenes Diogenes's picture

al-Qa'bong wrote:

I don't suppose the CJC will complain to the CRTC about the blantant anti-Arab racism of the CBC.

Examples?

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Just received the e-mail - it's approved.

remind remind's picture

Damn thought rosa had decided to return

George Victor

You don't think Avi Lewis' reports from California will balance things, rosa?  :)

 

no1important

I may get this if Shaw gets it. I am sure there will be a free preview. CNN International I wish we could get here.

Newsnet, Newsworld, Fox, Global, CNN and the headline news CNN all suck. They are not even news. MSNBC is good and BBC World is great, CNN International the one time I saw it seemed good and nothing like the 'fluff' version we get.

CBC used to be great at one time, even BCTV used to be great until the mid 90's.

It seems most North America so called alleged media does not know how to report or investigate news and issues anymore. It is a real shame. No one really asks the tough questions or the questions that need to be asked anymore.

I think a lot of the degeneration started when reporters started going to journalism schools they lost 'something' and basically now if you have a pretty face, nice body, eyes are level, can talk you are hired.

Where are the Jack Websters? Marjorie Nichols? Pat Burns? Walter Cronkites? etc now a days?

contrarianna

Quote:
Egyptian-born Jewish businessman Haim Saban is negotiating with Qatar's emir the purchase of 50 percent of the Al Jazeera television network, the independent Egyptian newspaper Al-Mesryoon reported earlier this week.

Saban was first reported to be negotiating the purchase of half the Doha -based network in 2004, after visiting the emirate with former U.S. President Bill Clinton. ....

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1119662.html

Quote:
...Haim Saban, an Israeli-American neoconservative who was a 2004 supporter of George Bush, was a close associate of Ariel Sharon, and spent the 1990s persuading Bill Clinton (with millions of dollars in donations to the Democratic Party) to be more supportive of Israel.

In a 2004 glowing profile, the NYT described Saban as "throwing his weight and money around Washington and, increasingly, the world, trying to influence all things Israeli," and in that article, Saban told the NYT: "I'm a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/08/12/ohanlon/

Fidel

Al Jazeera Journalist Resigns over Syria and Bahrain Coverage

Quote:
Ali Hashem: Al Jazeera has become a "media war machine" and is "committing journalistic suicide".

Who would have guessed that a newspaper based in a fully imperialist western-friendly country would be so biased?

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