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josh
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quizzical wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:
No explanation of why he couldn't be bothered to take enough care with his material so that he wouldn't out activists and rape victims and put their lives in danger.

And no mention of Sergey Markovm .

what's this about?

Admitted the Russians gave Assange "help."

6079_Smith_W
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And about how much more of a real journalist Assange is than the real journalists:

http://www.advocate.com/media/2016/8/23/wikileaks-outs-saudi-gay-man-rap...

He has done the same thing to activists in Turkey, and elsewhere.

I could repeat that even Anonymous dumped his ass years ago because, in their words, it was just "The Julian Assange Show".

And the t-shirt upthread. Real funny, considering he is in that embassy because he couldn't keep his dink in his pants and decided to jump on a sleeping woman.

It looks like he is going to get his wish, and beat that investigation; that is why he went after Clinton and left Trump alone. That is why he turned his talents over to Russian spooks (who probably have just as much dirt on Trump, and will no doubt use it now). So much for his professional standards.

 


josh
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quizzical
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josh wrote:
quizzical wrote:
6079_Smith_W wrote:
No explanation of why he couldn't be bothered to take enough care with his material so that he wouldn't out activists and rape victims and put their lives in danger.

And no mention of Sergey Markovm .

what's this about?

Admitted the Russians gave Assange "help."

uhm not enough info. though i appreciate your response.


6079_Smith_W
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I posted it in another thread, but Markov's not-so-cryptic statement is in this story:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/putin-applauds-trump-win...

He simply said they "may have helped" with Wikileaks.

 


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"The nightmares liberals have over Trump are nothing compared to the dictatorships they forced others to live under."

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/797334524304695296

 

"We came, we saw, he died!" Hillary Clinton US Sec State on death of M Gaddafi 2011

"Our troops have done a wonderful job in Libya over the past few months. I want to salute the efforts and courage of our troops.."

 - NDP 2011


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Wikileaks Founder Assange Should Walk Free: UN

https://youtu.be/Fcw3SKVRUbM

"On Wednesday, Julian Assange will have been illegally detained for 6 years or 2182 days..."

 

Analysis: The Assange Case

https://t.co/UrOMfFEmF2

justice4assange.com


6079_Smith_W
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Oh, so he did the job and helped get cheetoface elected, and now it is time to collect.

Good to know we are all aware this really is just the "Julian Assange and his entitled dick" thread.


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NCCIC Joint Analysis Report 

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/814592182007042048

"Today's Obama 'hacking report' has a disclaimer. It also doesn't mention WikiLeaks anywhere."

 

 


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Julian Assange, Sean Hannity - FULL Interview - January 3, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-qWcOwGhlM

We have a perfect record in authenticating the materials we publish...It was not Russia."

MUST WATCH!


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Quote:

On Tuesday evening, Sean Hannity, a Donald Trump adviser and foot soldier who moonlights as a host on Fox News, further escalated his love affair with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.

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As the Fox host acknowledged during the episode, six years ago, he accused Assange of “waging war against the U.S.” by publishing secret diplomatic cables that Hannity said at the time put American lives in “jeopardy” and “danger” all over the world. Back then, the Fox News star was asking why the Obama administration hadn’t “arrested” Assange, wondering, why “we can stop pirating music and Hollywood movies, but we can’t stop this guy from stealing highly classified documents that puts people’s lives at risk?”

However, during the 2016 presidential election, when Assange became widely known as anti-Clinton, the unflaggingly pro-Trump Hannity had a fast change of heart. And thus Fox News, a cable news network that in years past has pumped out the most aggressive type of anti-Assange messaging, was itself transformed into a warm and affectionate public-relations platform for WikiLeaks and its staff.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/04/sean-hannity-and-and-ju...

As the opinion piece points out, the hour long puff piece made zero news, and was basically a re-run of a radio interview they did last month.

 

 


josh
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U.S. intelligence agencies obtained what they considered to be conclusive evidence after the November election that Russia provided hacked material from the Democratic National Committee to WikiLeaks through a third party, three U.S. officials said on Wednesday.  U.S. officials had concluded months earlier that Russian intelligence agencies had directed the hacking, but had been less certain that they could prove Russia also had controlled the release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14P04P

 

 

 


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Washington Post Richly Rewarded For Fake News About Russia Threat While Public is Deceived  -  by Glenn Greenwald

https://t.co/1bQ7uCvsXB

 

WikiLeaks To Sue CNN For Defamation

http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/816673293205983234


Mobo2000
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From the reuters article at #132:

"The officials declined to describe the intelligence obtained about the involvement of a third-party in passing on leaked material to WikiLeaks, saying they did not want to reveal how the U.S. government had obtained the information."

 


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The FBI Never Asked For Access To Hacked Computer Servers

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/the-fbi-never-asked-for-access-to-h...

"The DNC tells Buzz Feed News that the bureau 'never requested access' to the servers the White House and intelligence community say were hacked by Russia.

The FBI did not examine the servers of the DNC before issuing a report attributing the sweeping cyer-intrusion to Russia-backed hackers, Buzzfeed news has learned.

No US government entity has run an independent forensic analysis on the system, one US intelligence official told BuzzFeed News..."


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Democracy Now: Glenn Greenwald on 'Dearth of Evidence' Linking Russia To WikiLeaks Release of DNC Emails (and vid)

http://democracynow.org/2017/1/5/glenn_greenwald_on_dearth_of_evidence

MUST WATCH!


6079_Smith_W
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Well, a dearth of him mentioning the evidence, anyway.

 


kropotkin1951
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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Well, a dearth of him mentioning the evidence, anyway.

Its astounding isn't it. There are people who don't believe the CIA and other US security agencies but most of them are fellow travelers of the New Russian Empire.


Mr. Magoo
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Russia has a new Empire?  Which lucky countries get to be annexed by it?


kropotkin1951
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Mr. Magoo wrote:

Russia has a new Empire?  Which lucky countries get to be annexed by it?

You haven't heard? You can read about the new Russian imperialism in many threads. Try to keep up will you.


Mr. Magoo
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That doesn't sound so good for Estonia.


kropotkin1951
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I thought it was Syria and the US that they were going to annex. Their military is in one and the new US President is a sleeper operative so they should both be easy pickings.


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kropotkin1951 wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Well, a dearth of him mentioning the evidence, anyway.

Its astounding isn't it. There are people who don't believe the CIA and other US security agencies but most of them are fellow travelers of the New Russian Empire.

No, he said there's a dearth of evidence. There actually is quite a bit of evidence. It has been accumulating since before the email story broke. Greenwald doesn't even go so far as to bring it up to try and discredit it, because he knows he doesn't have to.

I didn't say anything about Russia; I said he just ignored the evidence he claimed wasn't there.

 

 


josh
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US intelligence has identified the go-betweens the Russians used to provide stolen emails to WikiLeaks, according to US officials familiar with the classified intelligence report that was presented to President Barack Obama on Thursday. 

 

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Vice President Joe Biden said in an interview with PBS NewsHour that an unclassified version of an intel report provided to him will be released "very shortly" and will "lay out in bold print what" the US knows about the hacking

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/intel-report-says-us-identifies-go-betweens-who-gave-emails-to-wikileaks/

 

 

 


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Why the DNC Emails Were Leaked Not Hacked  -  by William Binney and Ray McGovern

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/why-the-dnc-emails-were-leaked-no...

"With respect to the alleged interference by Russia and WikiLeaks in the US election, it is a major mystery why US intelligence feels it must rely on 'circumstantial evidence', when it has the NSA's vacuum cleaner sucking up hard evidence galore.

What we know of NSA's capabilities shows that the email disclosures were from leaking not hacking.

Here's the difference..."

 


6079_Smith_W
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So again, there is no looking at the evidence. It is wrong because of a boilerplate disclaimer.

 


NDPP
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'Surreal Echo Chamber' Watch 'Russia Hacked US' Narrative Challenged in RT Debate (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/372788-russia-hacking-us-rt-debate

"The US intelligence community believes that Russia interfered with US election through hacking and other means, the US Senate heard on Thursday. RT assembled a panel of renowned journalists with widely differing opinions to try and separate fact from fiction..."

 

'NSA Hacked The Election, Not the Russians' (and vid)

http://www.newsbud.com/2017/01/03/nsa-hacked-the-election-not-the-russians/

"On this episode of the Geopolitical Report, we examine the unsubstantiated claims by President Obama, Democrats and Republicans that the 2016 presidential election was fixed by Vladimir Putin and the Russians..."

 

 


josh
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WikiLeaksVerified account ‏@wikileaks

The Obama admin/CIA is illegally funneling TOP SECRET//COMINT information to NBC for political reasons before PEOTUS even gets to read it.

 

Vietor ‏@TVietor08 2h2 hours agoTommy Vietor Retweeted WikiLeaks

Irony is dead. Her body was found strangled outside of the Ecuadorian embassy in London. RIP. 


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http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/u-s-signals-intercepts-capture-russians-elation-with-trump-victory-after-cyber-campaign

"Senior officials in the Russian government celebrated Donald Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton as a geopolitical win for Moscow, according to U.S. officials who said that American intelligence agencies intercepted communications in the aftermath of the election in which Russian officials congratulated themselves on the outcome."

"Other key pieces of information gathered by U.S. spy agencies include the identification of “actors” involved in delivering stolen Democratic emails to the WikiLeaks website, and disparities in the levels of effort Russian intelligence entities devoted to penetrating and exploiting sensitive information stored on Democratic and Republican campaign networks."

"Those and other data points are at the heart of an unprecedented intelligence report being circulated in Washington this week that details the evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign and catalogues other cyber operations by Moscow against U.S. election systems over the past nine years."

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The evidence here is:

Russian officals were happy and congratulated themselves when Trump won.

The same officials were surprised when Trump won.

Russia spent more time and resources attempting to hack the DNC than the republicans.

The identification of "actors" who delivered the DNC emails to Wikileaks

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Be curious to see if they reveal who the "actors" are to the public.   

Personally I don't care much if the Russian government did or didn't hack DNC emails/assist Wikileaks or otherwise help Trump.   But apart from this claim about the actor who delivered the DNC emails to Wikileaks, I haven't seen anything I would consider conclusive evidence they did.   Certainly nothing that would be better than circumstantial evidence.

 


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