Black in Court

Caissa
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The U.S. Supreme Court has set aside the fraud conviction of media baron Conrad Black, sending his case back to the Chicago court that convicted him in 2007.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/06/24/conrad-black-supreme-court.html#ixzz0rmUicrja


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Michelle
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Wow!!

So if he hadn't been dumb enough to try removing 13 boxes of stuff, he'd be a free man right now!


NorthReport
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Quite the justice system.

This is what happens when you are rich and powerful. If Black was poor he would be forgotten, rotting away the rest of his life in jail where he belongs.

Why is it that whilte collar crime always gets a break, but if you are poor with not enough food, and you steal groceries from Loblaws, you are a terrible criminal?


Kaspar Hauser
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aka Mycroft
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Stealing groceries from Loblaws: bad

Stealing from the pension fund of Dominion store workers in order to fund your corporate takeovers: good business


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Not to worry.  It's unlikely that anyone will be getting out of jail soon.

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At Black's trial, jurors were asked to consider mail fraud on either the "honest service" basis or on straightforward money or property theft. If Black is hoping for redress from the appeals court, its 2008 opinion indicates he'll be disappointed.

The 7th Circuit opinion written by Judge Richard Posner described "compelling evidence" of a "conventional fraud, that is, a theft of money or property from Hollinger by misrepresentations and misleading omissions amounting to fraud . . ."

Black's not the only one to have part of his conviction vacated (not overturned, just vacated and sent back to the lower courts). The Supremes made a separate ruling in the case of Skilling (he of Enron fame) and faced the "honest services" statute head on.  They stopped short of ruling the law was unconstitutional (although three Justices wanted to do so) but they did vote 6-3 to weaken the law, 28 words that critics said has been used to punish mistakes and minor transgressions in business and politics. http://www.suntimes.com/business/2430632,conrad-black-supreme-court-ruling-062410.article If nothing else it will be interesting to see how many others that were convicted on an honest service basis will end up appealing.


DaveW
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being in prison has certainly not humbled Black;

I mentioned elsewhere we had an exchange in the Letters to the editor pages a while ago, and his reply to my viewpoint, asking for details on a broad assertion  he made,  was roughly;

I am quite right and you are quite wrong.

OK....Tongue out


Brian White
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I worked for some successful real businessmen from eastern Canada over the last couple of years.  They were really hopeful that he spend some time with the "common" criminals and spoke of how he ruined great companies. Massey  tractors, etc.

I have read some fawning reports about Black in the papers over the last few weeks.   They still call him Lord Black!   And he still has the Order of Canada? 

Poor Steve Fonyo who raised 13 million for cancer research had his taken back because of bad behaviour.   Well, Jeez, who wouldn't have issues if they lost a limb to Cancer? 

While that pig lord is in a prison cell writing his column for some crooked newspaper after stealing a lot more than 13 million, and still hanging on to his order!

Who really disgraced Canada, the guy who lost his leg and got pissed off with life or the guy that stole millions from old ladys?


Caissa
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Conrad Black has applied for bail with the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago.

In a filing late Tuesday, lawyers for the jailed media baron argued that he should be released immediately in the wake of a Supreme Court ruling in late June that set aside his fraud convictions.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2010/07/07/conrad-black-bail.html#ixzz0t05W7mmT


DaveW
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on a comic note, Margaret Wente wrote a fawning Black's-mellowed-in-prison column in the Globe yesterday, after which many readers commented that it was false to say that he was convicted of a "victim-less" crime


Brian White
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How come Black has so many "fawning" friends like that in the media?  Has he loot stashed away to bribe them or does he have a little black book full of reporter and editor indiscretions?  I mean, they are writing like how I would imagine writers in North Korea write about their glorious leader.  It must be tough and humiliating  for them to write that crap.  Do they vomit as they write?  Or wear a paper bag for a week after writing it?  Or are there elements of iriony hidden deep down in the writing?   Imagine them in the staffroom,  drawing straws and praying not to draw the short one.  Survivor globe and mail.

DaveW wrote:

on a comic note, Margaret Wente wrote a fawning Black's-mellowed-in-prison column in the Globe yesterday, after which many readers commented that it was false to say that he was convicted of a "victim-less" crime


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Brian White wrote:

How come Black has so many "fawning" friends like that in the media?  Has he loot stashed away to bribe them or does he have a little black book full of reporter and editor indiscretions?

I think something like only 1% of Canadian media outside of public channels is independantly owned.


Caissa
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Conrad Black won a partial victory Friday after a U.S. appeals court overturned two of his fraud convictions.

But the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit in Chicago also upheld one of the former media baron's fraud convictions and an obstruction of justice conviction



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/29/conrad-black.html#ixzz13lsUkekX


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