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Brazeau booted out of Conservative caucus

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No, not for losing his fight with Justin... although that may have been part of it, who knows...


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Sen. Patrick Brazeau kicked out of Conservative caucus, police called to home

And CBC news is now reporting that the Senator is sitting in a jail in Gatineau.

Apparently he will keep his Senate seat. The only way to lose that is by having enough birthdays.

 


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I posted it already a half hour ago in this thread, but that's okay. This definitely needs a thread by itself. Smile

 

ETA: PMO "shocked and saddened" by developments.

 


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Did I fall asleep? Didn't they just put him there not too long ago?

I think Harper's need to surround himself with yes men, sycophants and fools might be getting the better of him.

 


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Brazeau has been in the Senate since December 2008. We were talking about his follies 4 years ago, including allegations of sexual harassment against him by staff at the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples.

I'm confident Stephen Harper will punish him severely for the crime of getting caught.

ETA: Sorry, Boom Boom! Didn't notice. Threads whose titles include both the words "senate" and "democratic" confuse me...


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Another excellent reason for abolishing the Senate now!!!

Senator Patrick Brazeau in jail, kicked out of Tory caucus

Senator appointed by PM Harper known for controversy; will sit as independent

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/02/07/pol-brazeau-kicked-out-...


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Unionist wrote:

 

ETA: Sorry, Boom Boom! Didn't notice. Threads whose titles include both the words "senate" and "democratic" confuse me...

That made me laugh! LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing


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Scamming the system. Why does it not surprise me that a crocked right wing asshole would be pointing fingers at others.  It seems to be one of their defining traits.

Does anyone know if a criminal conviction would get him removed or is it really just age?  Of course he can't just be thrown out of the Senate by the PM and that is not such a bad thing because otherwise Harper would have fired at least half the Liberals by now.

 


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Kady O'Malley tackles the question of how a Senator's still-breathing body may be removed from the Chamber.

I think Brazeau qualifies on several grounds.

The only regret is that the other senators don't. Yet.

 


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CTV is reporting that Brazeau is facing sexual assault charges. 


alan smithee
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Who cares? He's still a senator and will collect millions.


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Looks like Brazeau has gone completely off the rails over the past year since losing to Trudeau in the boxing match! Wink


Boom Boom
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CBC: He stands to earn $7million over his lifetime as a Senator - all on the public dime. And then there's all that other stuff that ALL Senatorsare entitled to as well. Abolish the damn thing already.


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On CBC's P&P tonight: Haper promised to reform the Senate, when he found out he couldn't, he instead decided to use it the same way previous governments had: namely for fundraising and promoting his own brand. So far he's appointed 58 of these useless hacks.


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yes, the boxing match which ended up being all about "hair". Now that is of importance to national interest.


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janfromthebruce wrote:

yes, the boxing match which ended up being all about "hair". Now that is of importance to national interest.

It was kind of a joke, Jan (thus the winking emoticon).  Don't take everything I say seriously!

But the boxing match was certainly not all about hair (why is it you anti-Trudeau types can't get off the hair thing?)  The boxing match was actually about strategy - one opponent correctly deducing with his trainer before the match what his opponent's strengths & weaknesses were and figuring out how to tire him out by allowing superior agility to overcome greater physical strength and weight.

Btw, I would also argue it was a metaphor for Justin's political skills - being underestimated and always finding a way to outmaneuver his opponents, but this thread is about Brazeau so I'll stop talking about Justin now.


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What I find most significant about the whole Brazeau scandal is the family values aspect to it.  This is a Conservative Party and PM who despite being rabidly anti-gay marriage and supposedly a party of 'family values' don't seem to have a problem appointing folks like Brazeau, Toews and Bernier to key positions.

Brazeau has not only been involved in a child support battle for several years, but wasn't even married to the mother of his child in the first place.  He had this child outside of marriage.

Maxime Bernier was allowed to stay in the Harper cabinet for a long period of time (and as a Foreign Affairs Minister no less!) all the while flaunting a girlfriend around who had connections to Biker gangs!

Vic Toews was one of the Conservative Party's strongest opponents to the Liberal gay marriage bill back in 2005 and spent months opposing it on the Civil Marriage Committee.  Then not long after that, he ended up cheating on his wife after having spent all that time deriding the gay marriage bill as a threat to the sanctity of marriage.

The Conservative Party has turned out to be like the Republicans and Newt Gingrich - completely hypocritical on the issues of family values and sexual morality.  It's okay to oppose gay marriage on the grounds that it is wrong, but it's perfectly fine for male conservative heterosexual politicians to do as they please!


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Well, most parents in Québec nowadays don't get married, so that is a moot point. The question is not "outside of marriage" but of not respecting one's parental responsibilities.


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The Senator  is to be charged on two counts: assault, and sexual assault: CBC


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He made bail this morning, there is a publication ban on the victim's name, and he is to appear in court March 22.


Ken Burch
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Is that unusual that there would be a publication ban on the victim's name?  I thought that was typical in such cases.


Halq’emeylem
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But Duffy and Liberal Harb remain in their respective caucases. Only an FN gets the severe treatment. And many of you settlers are cheering it. Assholes.


Boom Boom
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I don't know, Ken. Maybe one of our legal eagles can clarify for us?


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Halq’emeylem wrote:

But Duffy and Liberal Harb remain in their respective caucases. Only an FN gets the severe treatment. And many of you settlers are cheering it. Assholes.

Were Duffy and Harb charged with assault and sexual assault?

Senate rules say a senator facing charges is usually put on leave.


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From a Toronto Star article:

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The Quebec senator is now expected to sit as an Independent, but Conservative Senator David Tkachuk, chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration, said senators will have to wait until Tuesday to figure out what happens next.

Since Brazeau was charged with offences punishable on summary conviction, rather than indictable offences, there is no rule under which he can be automatically put on a forced leave of absence.

“Right now all it means is there is a pause,” Tkachuk said.

Still, Tkachuk said he still thinks Brazeau should need approval from the Senate for any office and travel spending.

“I’m still of the view that we are going to take action on his account and we are going to monitor his account, just like we were going to do before, and whether it is summary conviction or not, as far as I’m concerned, we should do that.

“And then as far as his participation in the House, we’ll see what happens on Tuesday,” Tkachuk told the Star Friday.

He will continue to draw his Senate salary of $132,300.

Senators are allowed to miss up to 21 days of sittings in the upper chamber per session of parliament for family illness or responsibilities, funerals, grief and religious holidays.

Senate attendance records show Brazeau had only two of those 21 days remaining before he faced a potential fine of $250 per day missed.

There's obviously a lot of confusion surrounding the rules and what action may or may not be taken against Brazeau.

 


Halq’emeylem
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Charged DOESN't equall GUILTY. Hey, maybe we should kick union members out of the union when they're CHARGED with a crime. You down with that?


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It's actually common in many organizations for someone to be suspended while an investigation goes forth.

If Harb and Duffy were facing accusations of sexual abuse and domestic violence, they'd have been kicked out of their caucuses as well.

 


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Halq’emeylem wrote:

Charged DOESN't equall GUILTY. Hey, maybe we should kick union members out of the union when they're CHARGED with a crime. You down with that?

Of course Brazeau is innocent until proven guilty.  That is one of the reasons that this whole matter will be in limbo for months to come until the conclusion of the criminal investigation.  Perhaps he won't be found guilty.  But if he is, people at that point will have the right to refer to him as such and for some action to be taken.

As I said above, what is amazing to me is that time and time again Harper has no problem having Conservative males involved in heterosexual sex scandals, whether it is Vic Toews, Maxime Bernier or Brazeau.  And yet this is the Party that voted against our Gay Marriage Bill in 2005 on the grounds that it was a threat to the sanctity of marriage.  Disgraceful.

And it appears that it doesn't matter what scandals the vetting process uncovers, if you are a male, heterosexual Conservative, anything goes.  Remember when the PM hired Bruce Carson, a convicted criminal who had been disbarred for stealing from his clients, to be one of his advisers?  And of course Carson also had a girlfriend about 40 years younger than him too.

All in a day's work for the Party of Family Values.


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Halq’emeylem wrote:

Charged DOESN't equall GUILTY. Hey, maybe we should kick union members out of the union when they're CHARGED with a crime. You down with that?

 

When cops are charged we do the same to them?  Are you saying we should let them and anyone else be on the job while facing serious charges?

 

He suspended with pay, just like any union member often is when faced with serious charges (at least for teachers, cops and government workers)


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Union members (other than cops and the like) are routinely suspended without pay when facing charges which can be related to the workplace or to the employer's reputation. That's all while they're still innocent in the eyes of the law. Brazeau needn't worry about income, the way my fellow members are when charged. Unlucky Brazeau. He tried initially to keep his job (and salary) as head of CAP when appointed to the Senate. Now he'll oly be able to single-dip.

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Halq’emeylem wrote:

But Duffy and Liberal Harb remain in their respective caucases. Only an FN gets the severe treatment. And many of you settlers are cheering it. Assholes.

I agree and colonial hypocrisy is not lost on me. The two white guys who also padded their expense accounts are getting defended by silence (which is condoning) or out right defence by their MSM.

So I see some media defending Duffy's charge on the taxpayer for his "summer home/cottage" as just dandy even those his neighbours never see him.

And the lib, not a peep by anybody - in fact, he's a total mystery to me but he's been collecting a big fat check for years.


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