Guess where Quebec gets its oil?

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JKR

Pondering wrote:

JKR wrote:
Many world leaders are probably aware of the history of mass extinction events. It might be helpful if the masses were more aware of the history of mass extinction events! I guess the dinosaurs weren't interested in history.
">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event#Major_extinction_events...

We are all aware. What are we doing about it? I recycle, I go to protests, I vote. Even if I vote NDP or Green there isn't going to be some mass disruption in the way we do things. Look at Notley. What are you doing about it?

People are preoccupied with day to day survival and things they do have power over. Pretty much nothing comes of watching or reading the news daily. What difference does it make if I know about the California wildfires? What difference does it make if I know about Israel and Palestine? Or North Korea? It makes less difference than knowing how to sew or cook, things I can do something about. Knowing about current affairs is a social thing so you can talk around the water cooler unless you are into it like being into sports in which case it is still mainly a social thing.

Most people here are on the NDP team or no team because the NDP is slightly left of the Liberals. The BC NDP is better than the BC Liberals, the Ontario NDP is better than the Ontario Liberals, but only by enough to differenciate themselves. To be fair the population is centrist so that is where parties have to go to win but even so it still means all we have from a practical perspective is centrist choices when we get to the ballot box.

There is no genuinely populist party ready to declare war on oligarchs. Occupy happened. The opportunity was there. (Cue Magoo "who are the oligarchs?")

I am not blaming "the left" or "activists" for anything. I'm just saying this is the reality.

Earlier in the thread you said something to the effect that you didn't have the expertise to have an opinion on Alberta refineries. Nobody turned a hair. Dinosaurs have been big with children for a long time. Blockbuster movies and all. People know about extinction. You know about extinction. Just like you, many people feel they don't have the expertise to know who is right or wrong on a particular issue in terms of the path forward.

Widespread opposition to pipelines isn't happening because people know about climate change or about history. It's happening because people know about oil spills and fear them in a more immediate sense.

I think many of the people who support building Alberta souced pipelines do so because they see no link between not building these pipelines and reducing C02 emissions. What many of these people see instead is Alberta and Canada foregoing hundreds of billions of dollars in exchange for no real environmental benefit as the rest of the world will continue pumping oil regardless of what we do in Alberta or Canada.

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Mr. Magoo wrote:
It's the flyer that makes shoppers want to stop at that store.  Once I'm there, I can see ALL of the prices of things, not just the sales.

I would be okay if flyers came online. I don't think we need to prop up CP with 99% unread recycling. Flyers are important to learn the patterns so you can take advantage of them.  One of the first articles I read in the Tightwad Gazette was how to use flyers to grocery shop.  Study them over time and you will see the sales patterns repeating themselves.  Learn the patterns and you will avoid paying full retail.

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JKR wrote:
What many of these people see instead is Alberta and Canada foregoing hundreds of billions of dollars in exchange for no real environmental benefit as the rest of the world will continue pumping oil regardless of what we do in Alberta or Canada.

That argument is rather weak although probably very prevalent. The same argument applies to supplying arms to Saudi Arabia or buying apartheid wines back in the day. The sad part of that belief is it is based on fake facts. A pipeline will not increase the price paid for tar sands gunk. The real problem is that the tar sands oiligarchy over the last decade have expanded beyond their market share and now have a glut and want us taxpayers to pay for their bad business decisions.

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..yes based on lies. plus it's a low grade oil and will always sell at a discount price. if there was added value at source this would help.

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