Harper Is Good for the Economy

mybabble
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Why do I think that well how about the last Federal election Mr. Harper called and for the conservatives it was right on the mark.  Harper's government will probably not be looking at another election until the world's economy has recovered slightly putting his government in a better position to win.  Harper said no new taxes especially a carbon tax negative impact on business and destructive to the economy.  Harper wants to spend money on the cities and its about time along with proposed taxes to the middler class and its much like the NDP swing on things.  He is putting money in the hands of consumers and small business to stimulate economy rather than just the hands of the very rich who are busy downsizing to adjust to the economic downturn.  For a government who are against socialist activities there sure is a whole lot of welfare going around for big money that is doing very little for the economy.   I do not believe another election will be called at this time as parties our encouraged to work with the Federal government as its whats needed at this time.  I also like Harper on the world stage as its very rare this man trips over his words as despite the world leaders not coming up with any real solutions to the problems he comes across very much the diplomat.


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Dippergirl
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Please tell me you're not serious... Harper is an idiot. Given the chance, I believe the NDP (or even the Libs!) could handle our current economic woes better than Harper. Are you really, truly serious???


remind
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Ya, I am sure mybabble is serious, and was waiting for this side to come out, as something was stated in a prior thread that indicated soc-con tendancies.

 That mybabble has put up nothing to indicate such a position is accurate says that it's a personally held belief not grounded in actual facts. Take for example the notion that Harper rarely trips over his words. That is fuckin funny for words.

Moreover, apparently mybabble does not realize the mandate of this forum is not to provide commentary from the right.

 

 

 


Dippergirl
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Mybabble...your name isn't Laureen, is it? As in Harper? Come on, seriously, Harper and his cronies are neo-con Bush-wannabes! His muzzling of the media and his regressive social views are reason enough to dislike him, never mind his fiscal policies. He gives Canada a bad name on the world stage. Again, are you serious? Why are you here if you are???


Slumberjack
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IMV, the forum is supposed to be for 'progressive' commentary, which doesn't inherently imply a blanket ban on commentary from the right in every instance, just in cases where such commentary is un-progressive by the standards set out in policy.  Crowing on about the wonderful accomplishments of a rightist political party, real or imagined, doesn't necessarily rise to the level of right wing trolling.  Why else would a forum be set aside for "Layton Lovers" and "Harper Harpies," if no one is allowed to speak on the latter, as misguided as they would be for doing so.  Which brings to mind why this is in national news in the first place.


Aristotleded24
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Dippergirl wrote:
Please tell me you're not serious... Harper is an idiot. Given the chance, I believe the NDP (or even the Libs!) could handle our current economic woes better than Harper. Are you really, truly serious???

 Or even the Bloc Quebecois! Ever see that Air Farce ditty where the BQ goes on to win all 75 Quebec seats while everyone else splits votes in the rest of the country?


remind
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Funny, I just looked over the thread to see if anyone, talked of a blanket ban, or about not allowing someone to speak and low and behold I found nary a mention of anything of that sort. We will have to agree to disagree about whether or not it rises to the level of right wing trolling.


Dippergirl
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Okay, I have to say I can see where Slumberjack is coming from, I'm just not sure why someone who holds such positive views of Harper would be interested in joining rabble/babble. That being said, of course there should be room for debate. I would never advocate against free speech.

Also -- yes, Harper being good or bad for the economy is more of an opinion than it is national news. Unless it was a recent headline in the news...even then, that's a tough one to prove definitively. (You couldn't, if you ask me...)


Slumberjack
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Might have been just me, but I could have sworn someone was going on  about the OP not being in sync with the board mandate, which in my simple way of thinking, clearly is an attempt to silence.  Not that I care much for the content of the OP in itself, it's just that when there's a discernable difference between right wing anti-progressiveness, and mere political delusion, I'd prefer not to join with the pitchfork welcoming committee.


Dippergirl
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Aristotleded24 wrote:
Ever see that Air Farce ditty where the BQ goes on to win all 75 Quebec seats while everyone else splits votes in the rest of the country?

Yes, I meant to add that I have seen that skit...quite funny. Totally off-topic, but Air Farce will be sadly missed, IMHO.


Dippergirl
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Slumberjack wrote:
Might have been just me, but I could have sworn someone was going on  about the OP not being in sync with the board mandate

I hope that's not me you're referring to...I'm not the one that used the term "mandate". However, I did find this pro-Harper post to be rather...out of place. I was just amazed that someone could hold such views, and as someone who can't resist a debate, I had to comment.


Slumberjack
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Dippergirl wrote:
I hope that's not me you're referring to..

 I wasn't.


remind
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Slumberjack wrote:
Might have been just me, but I could have sworn someone was going on  about the OP not being in sync with the board mandate, which in my simple way of thinking, clearly is an attempt to silence.  Not that I care much for the content of the OP in itself, it's just that when there's a discernable difference between right wing anti-progressiveness, and mere political delusion, I'd prefer not to join with the pitchfork welcoming committee.

Oh my, I would say so much, but I will leave you to your passive aggressiveness.Sealed


Dippergirl
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Eek! Am I caught in the middle here?

Seriously, though, don't the neo-cons and their admirers have their own forums to discuss their admiration of George W. Harper?


remind
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No worries dippergirl, and yes they do have their own forums, several of them, however upon occasion they like to come here, and spread the glad tidings, as it were. 

"watching the tide roll away"


Dippergirl
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remind wrote:
upon occasion they like to come here, and spread the glad tidings, as it were. 

Would those be the glad tidings from the Gospel of Stephen? lol


remind
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Dippergirl wrote:
remind wrote:
upon occasion they like to come here, and spread the glad tidings, as it were. 
Would those be the glad tidings from the Gospel of Stephen? lol
Don't they all?Wink

 

"watching the tide roll away"


Tommy_Paine
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We've had right wingers here before that have held on, and become quite part of he crowd. 

As for the Harper analysis, its an analysis.... It might have been shrewd to call an election when he did-- particularly if it had resulted in a majority, which Harper himself fanned on the shot-- as Danny Galivan might say.  It would have given him four years to weather the economic storm and end up looking like he and Jimmy "never met a blind man I couldn't trip" Flaherty fixed everything.    I don't know if Harper wants to spend money on the cities.  Not sure where that comes from.  What little has dribbled to cities doesn't account for the effect of years of Liberal and Conservative downloading to Provinces who inturn download to Cities. 

And, funny thing is, when it comes to taxes Harper did a very left wing thing by cutting the GST-- a regressive or flat tax.  Kudos to Stephen on that. 

But on the other hand, he still believes that wealth will somehow magically redistribute itself through the smoke and mirrors of trickledown economics. Which is stupid.  And as we see south of the border, stupid doesn't work.

 


remind
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Tommy_Paine wrote:

We've had right wingers here before that have held on, and become quite part of he crowd. 

...he still believes that wealth will somehow magically redistribute itself through the smoke and mirrors of trickledown economics. Which is stupid.  And as we see south of the border, stupid doesn't work. 

When have you ever observed Gir and Heywood write anything so mind numbingly nonsensical?

Good observation about stupid south of the border actions, I guess we will see in the Throne speech if Harper is going to be just as stupid, and continue with his planned corporate tax cuts.

___________________________________________________________ "watching the tide roll away"


Dippergirl
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remind wrote:
I guess we will see in the Throne speech if Harper is going to be just as stupid, and continue with his planned corporate tax cuts.

With Flaherty at the helm of all things financial, I'm sure he will. That twit has never seen a tax cut he didn't like.


Tommy_Paine
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The trouble with Jimmy "the wheel chair tire slasher" Flaherty is that he's a True Believer.   He can't think outside the dogma. 

 

 


Tommy_Paine
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[quote=remind


When have you ever observed Gir and Heywood write anything so mind numbingly nonsensical?  






 Oh, I don't know.  I think both debuted with some flair.  Heywood even gave us a rundown about how he used to get in trouble in the feminist forum, but has come to love Big Sister.  Laughing



But yeah,  those two are a deffinate cut above. 


Dippergirl
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I have to say, I love your names for Flaherty; they're very creative. I'm embarrassed that I grew up in a riding neighbouring his; I have family that live in his riding, though thankfully they don't vote Conservative. His wife is an MPP in the same riding, as I'm sure you know. Both are slimy lawyers...no offense to the handful of non-slimy lawyers out there...


Tommy_Paine
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Handfull?  I like you.  You're generous.


Dippergirl
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Well, you know...I was trying to be diplomatic...


Fidel
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Recession comes to Canada, 100,000 jobs to be lost: report

Quote:

OTTAWA — Canadians are in store for a harsh winter of economic news with substantial job losses mounting in the next few months as recessionary times take hold, the Global Insight forecasting firm says.

Managing director Dale Orr says the country will lose 100,000 jobs in the first three months of 2009 and believes Canada has already entered the first recession in 17 years. . .

BMO says oil will average about US$70 a barrel in 2009, from this year's US$102 average

I doubt food prices and property taxes will fall though. 


Dippergirl
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There's no doubt in my mind that food prices will continue to go up. While it's certainly true that there is high demand for some commodities, thereby effectively raising food prices, even if anything were to come down in cost, I don't think i've ever seen a grocery retailer drop its prices on anything (outside of a time-limited sale). Major retailers are in the business of being unnecessarily greedy. Even those lower-priced bulk/discount stores are all each part of a larger retailer. Not that I would expect them to sell at market price without making a profit, but grocery chains can basically do whatever they want to; except for very low income people, we'll keep buying stuff regardless of how the stores charge.


Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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I've seen no indication that local farmers have been able to double their prices, as the local Metro, Sobeys and Loblaws have. Perhaps some of our rural contributors could verify this for me?

 And as for 'mybabble', he's been asked to substantiate his rather odd opinions with a fact or two, and hasn't been bothered. I think that's an indication of which side of the bridge he uses. 


laughingatu
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remind wrote:

Moreover, apparently mybabble does not realize the mandate of this forum is not to provide commentary from the right.

only those that support the NDP need apply?

How long before the blonde hair and blue eye requirement shows up?


Dippergirl
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Gee, well, I fit the NDP-supporter requirement, but once the other conditions take effect, I guess as a brown-eyed redhead, I'm out...


janfromthebruce
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"Harper is good for the economy" well did depends. Seems he's good for the corporate welfare "few" as he just decided (can he without consent of parliament) to give another 50 billion taxpayer dollars to bailout banks. Mainstreeters bailing out baystreeters. Hope they impose some of that good-old "common sense revolution" restrictive practices originating in workfare to ensure those "who obviously can't be trusted with budgeting their money or assets on a very short-leash. See link to Ottawa triples bailout cash.

Time to reopen the Canadian bank rather than have private sector banks get gains they don't deserve here, after being part of the choir for deregulation and privitization, along with taxcuts, taxcuts, taxcuts. 

And if I ever hear again from that choir again about anything to do with social programs or welfare, I will just bring their own wasteful social largeness to the fro. The emperor has no clothes.


thorin_bane
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laughingatu wrote:
remind wrote:

Moreover, apparently mybabble does not realize the mandate of this forum is not to provide commentary from the right.

only those that support the NDP need apply?

How long before the blonde hair and blue eye requirement shows up?

Hey troll, are you still around. I thought you would still be feeding. Get lost, before you become lost.


Slumberjack
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laughingatu wrote:
remind wrote:

Moreover, apparently mybabble does not realize the mandate of this forum is not to provide commentary from the right.

only those that support the NDP need apply?

How long before the blonde hair and blue eye requirement shows up?

Lord knows your intended target doesn't need defending, and I hope it's not taken that way, but this is beyond the pale here.  Although it might be fair game to imply that partisan leanings tend to influence how people approach the issues, I feel it is completely out of line to extend that inference towards something as vile as this.


Stargazer
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Of course it is. But I suspect our new poster knew that when he posted it. I also suspect that he/she must have an odd mindset to post something like this.


Dippergirl
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Yeah, I think a few folks are going a little far here. It's certainly an odd thing to post on a progressive website, as there are unlikely to be any people here who agree, but some of the comments...well...

I'm as pretty far left as they come, but I stick to criticising Harper himself (okay, and a few of the really far-right nutcases who support his agenda -- Charles McVety is a personal fave), instead of average Canadians who seem to find something appealing about him.

What I WOULD like to see here is something from mybabble to substantiate his/her claims!


janfromthebruce
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Dippergirl wrote:
Yeah, I think a few folks are going a little far here. It's certainly an odd thing to post on a progressive website, as there are unlikely to be any people here who agree, but some of the comments...well... I'm as pretty far left as they come, but I stick to criticising Harper himself (okay, and a few of the really far-right nutcases who support his agenda -- Charles McVety is a personal fave), instead of average Canadians who seem to find something appealing about him. What I WOULD like to see here is something from mybabble to substantiate his/her claims!
kids live and play together, let's let them learn together too!

 

Dippergirl, [thread drift] how did you get your email econ on the right side? I've trying to figure out to do it and haven't found where to do that. Directions welcome.


Dippergirl
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janfromthebruce wrote:
Dippergirl, [thread drift] how did you get your email econ on the right side? I've trying to figure out to do it and haven't found where to do that. Directions welcome.

You know, I have no idea. I'm on my BlackBerry, as my laptop died about three weeks ago and I'm unable to afford a new one at the moment. I can't even SEE an email icon for myself...lol. Sorry I can't offer you any suggestions, I'd love to be able to help, but I have no idea what I may have done.

So you CAN actually see an email icon for me? Why can't I see it? This is strange... :P


TVParkdale
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I just had to put this up from my favorite Harper supporter [sorry don't know how to get vid on so hit link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga4ls9xTVtE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga4ls9xTVtE


janfromthebruce
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Dippergirl wrote:
janfromthebruce wrote:
Dippergirl, [thread drift] how did you get your email econ on the right side? I've trying to figure out to do it and haven't found where to do that. Directions welcome.
You know, I have no idea. I'm on my BlackBerry, as my laptop died about three weeks ago and I'm unable to afford a new one at the moment. I can't even SEE an email icon for myself...lol. Sorry I can't offer you any suggestions, I'd love to be able to help, but I have no idea what I may have done. So you CAN actually see an email icon for me? Why can't I see it? This is strange... :P

Yes, I see a little envelope beside your silly monkey picture. And I think you don't see your envelope because you are logged in as your user. I am sure if you logged in as a different user you would see it. You are using your blackberry???? wow is that expensive or what? I never go on the internet with mine as the cost is outrageous. Anyway, I am going to send you an email via your envelope and let's see what happens. Thanks.

Our kids live together and play together in their communities, let's have them learn together too!


Dippergirl
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^^ hmmm, yes, your explanation re: email econ makes sense. And I got your email as well -- I will try sending one in return...

And yes, using my BB for browsing the internet can get horribly expensive. At the moment I can't quite afford "horribly expensive", either. lol


laytonsucks
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Better then Harper running the Country then a bunch of Leftwing Nuts! Who is going to pay off the Debt you f*cking Losers want to hand our Grandchildren?

 

Get real...the Leftwing is Nuts! Obama Sucks Too.!


ElizaQ
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I knew it. I guess Harper is having a bad day or something (wonder why?) and decided to come onto Babble and blow off a little steam.

Thanks Stevie. We appreciate all this great wisdom you're sharing with us this wonderful wintery am.


Interested Observer
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Well if there weren't some harper harpies this board just wouldn't be complete! Wink Tongue out


ForestGreen
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laytonsucks wrote:

Better then Harper running the Country then a bunch of Leftwing Nuts! Who is going to pay off the Debt you f*cking Losers want to hand our Grandchildren?

 

Get real...the Leftwing is Nuts! Obama Sucks Too.!

 

Pay off the debts of left-wing governments? Take a look at the debts piled up by GWB south of the border, from one of the most right-wing administrations in the nations history. How many trillions is it now?


George Victor
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laytonsucks wrote:

Better then Harper running the Country then a bunch of Leftwing Nuts! Who is going to pay off the Debt you f*cking Losers want to hand our Grandchildren?

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Apparently the "banning function" of the new program  only works on a couple of  the forums.  This obscenity posing as a human was to have been ejected a couple of days back.


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