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Judge makes a stand against laws designed to protect pedophiles
[Edit - added] Good thing I put in this extra smilie. It gave me a spot to repost what was deleted due to someone flagging this post as what? - offensive? Reading it will give a good indication as to the type of person that would view this as a threat to their lifestyle.
"By KEVIN MARTIN, Calgary SunLast Updated: February 19, 2010 4:32pm
The three-year term handed a kiddie porn peddler by a judge who refused submissions for a lesser sentence is still not enough, the head of a victims’ advocacy group said Friday.
“Three years to us is still too low, I’m not sure if it’s all that great a deterrent.”Hawco said kiddie porn images police uncovered on Secreti’s computer showing young children being sexually violated were “disturbing, degrading and abusive.”...
...In rejecting the joint submission, Hawco said it was reasonable based on past cases, but those punishments didn’t adequately reflect the need to deter such criminal behaviour.
“With the greatest of respect ... they have been too lenient with respect to this offence,” he said, of his fellow judges..."
With absolutely no respect... I will say that the pedophile judges on the bench who have been keeping sentences this low in the first place must be removed from any positions of power.
The fearful tone of the Honourable Justice Hawco, who is the only judge willing to go against the wishes of his "peers" and not give in to pressure to follow the status-quo by giving pedophiles a mere two years of free room and board, is a good indicator of the levels power he is standing against.
An extra year of free room and board isn't much but as this case demonstrates - it is a difficult and highly contested step in seeing that any justice at all is ever adminstered against pedophiles.I better go get extra virus protection... or stop typing. Too late...
Socialists would rather protect criminals rights than victims rights in Canada. Fighting for victims rights is only something socialists do in other countries for the photo ops to send back home to prove how caring hearted they are.
But right here in Canada socialists have no compassion for victims rights. It would go against their leftwing ideology on how all criminals can be rehabilitated. Criminal rights over victims rights are their main focus. (maybe because so many criminals are socialist leaning?) Criminals rights trumps victims rights in Canada.
Actually webbietalkjam, criminals (at least those who are incarcerated) are more likely be inclined to vote for conservative/reactionary parties, and tend to be more religious than the general population. I do not have an online citation for this, but I have an old fashioned printed book that I can run over and get you the publishing info from if you really want to check it out for yourself. Of course when research contradicts dogma... well you can picture the rest...
What you engaged in there, Webbietalkjam, is called "the strawman argument", and it is a fallacious argument. Issues of crime and punishment get discussed on the left and there is broad dissagreement between people who identify as left.
With absolutely no respect... I will say that the pedophile judges on the bench who have been keeping sentences this low in the first place must be removed from any positions of power. {italics mine}
while I certainly won't adopt that only a pedophile deffends a pedophile, there being jurisprudence on this from Salem, Massechessetts, I would join with you that judges that have a track record of undervaluing the protection of the vulnerable and weak in our society should be removed from the bench.
Typical left wing wimps had to censor webbietalkjam's comments because it upsets the High Priests of separatism on this board. Must protect Quebec's interests at all costs.How much money are the separatisst poring into this board to protect their interests with english leftwing wimps anyways.
Say hello to Gilles DuCeppe the unofficial leader of the anglo left wing in Canada by the looks of this board.
By KEVIN MARTIN, Calgary SunLast Updated: February 19, 2010 4:32pm
The three-year term handed a kiddie porn peddler by a judge who refused submissions for a lesser sentence is still not enough, the head of a victims’ advocacy group said Friday.
“Three years to us is still too low, I’m not sure if it’s all that great a deterrent.”Hawco said kiddie porn images police uncovered on Secreti’s computer showing young children being sexually violated were “disturbing, degrading and abusive.”...
...In rejecting the joint submission, Hawco said it was reasonable based on past cases, but those punishments didn’t adequately reflect the need to deter such criminal behaviour.
“With the greatest of respect ... they have been too lenient with respect to this offence,” he said, of his fellow judges..."
With absolutely no respect... I will say that the pedophile judges on the bench who have been keeping sentences this low in the first place must be removed from any positions of power.
The fearful tone of the Honourable Justice Hawco, who is the only judge willing to go against the wishes of his "peers" and not give in to pressure to follow the status-quo by giving pedophiles a mere two years of free room and board, is a good indicator of the levels power he is standing against.
An extra year of free room and board isn't much but as this case demonstrates - it is a difficult and highly contested step in seeing that any justice at all is ever adminstered against pedophiles.I better go get extra virus protection... or stop typing. Too late...
Thanks....... personally I think it should be life without parol, however, I am not sure that would even stop the sociopaths from doing what they are doing.....
Typical left wing wimps had to censor webbietalkjam's comments because it upsets the High Priests of separatism on this board. Must protect Quebec's interests at all costs.How much money are the separatisst poring into this board to protect their interests with english leftwing wimps anyways.
Say hello to Gilles DuCeppe the unofficial leader of the anglo left wing in Canada by the looks of this board.
Your link doesn't work, Yarg, but I found the column, and it's stupid.
For one, Dalton McGinty can't just tell the SIU not to investigate something. The SIU investigates whenever there is death or serious injury during a police action. And, rest assured as always, no matter what the police did or didn't do, they'll rubber stamp their approval, whether the police acted wrongly or not. Idjit boy who writes for the Sun tabloid either chose to ignore that, or doesn't know.
I believe Dalton McGinty has a lot to answer to, but trying to link him and a skating trip to those deaths is the kind of pap the Sun tabloid likes to engage in. It really doesn't further anything.
Perhaps if Warmington could write, and had half a brain, he'd have observed that the whole justice system in Ontario is in dissaray. The SIU is being investigated again by the Ombudsman. The head of the OPP is before the courts. Crown Attourney's ignore the directives of the Attourney General. A pathologist makes stuff up and ruins lives, yet there are no consequences, as there are no consequences for Crowns who withhold exculpatory evidence.
It's nice to believe, if it gives you comfort, that there's some kind of partizan political bias in our judicial system and law enforcement, or some kind of left wing/right wing conspiracy-- according to one's own bias-- in the system. But it's not that.
It's an institution that has come to exist for it's own benifit, to protect and promote first and foremost and it seems exclusively, the interests of the institution.
They are, quite litterally, out of control. And you can put anyone you like in the legislature, it's unlikely to change.
But, just for fun, why not ask Warmington his oppinion on the soft hearted judge that let fellow "columnist" John Snobellin skate from a weapons charge?
Your link doesn't work, Yarg, but I found the column, and it's stupid.
For one, Dalton McGinty can't just tell the SIU not to investigate something. The SIU investigates whenever there is death or serious injury during a police action. And, rest assured as always, no matter what the police did or didn't do, they'll rubber stamp their approval, whether the police acted wrongly or not. Idjit boy who writes for the Sun tabloid either chose to ignore that, or doesn't know.
I believe Dalton McGinty has a lot to answer to, but trying to link him and a skating trip to those deaths is the kind of pap the Sun tabloid likes to engage in. It really doesn't further anything.
Perhaps if Warmington could write, and had half a brain, he'd have observed that the whole justice system in Ontario is in dissaray. The SIU is being investigated again by the Ombudsman. The head of the OPP is before the courts. Crown Attourney's ignore the directives of the Attourney General. A pathologist makes stuff up and ruins lives, yet there are no consequences, as there are no consequences for Crowns who withhold exculpatory evidence.
It's nice to believe, if it gives you comfort, that there's some kind of partizan political bias in our judicial system and law enforcement, or some kind of left wing/right wing conspiracy-- according to one's own bias-- in the system. But it's not that.
It's an institution that has come to exist for it's own benifit, to protect and promote first and foremost and it seems exclusively, the interests of the institution.
They are, quite litterally, out of control. And you can put anyone you like in the legislature, it's unlikely to change.
But, just for fun, why not ask Warmington his oppinion on the soft hearted judge that let fellow "columnist" John Snobellin skate from a weapons charge?
Well, you completely overreacted to the story I posted, perhaps it's my fault for not explaining myself more. I don't blame McGuinty any more than any other politician really, i was commenting more about the criminal in the story with dozens of convictions still on the street. We can't rehabilitate everyone. Perhaps that column was not the right example but I had read it somewhere recently so it came to mind.
Before anyone makes any strong statements against the well organized pedophile community ensure that you are taking precautions. This link will give you some idea of how they can phuck with your life.
"The majority of the time I have spent online promoting the petition has been spent debating with people who could be nothing other than pedophiles. Some of them spent weeks and even months every single day focusing their efforts on pursuading others that the measures called for in the petition were a violation of civil liberties."
So if anyone disagrees with you for any reason, you're saying that they must be a pedophile? And thats why you say all judges are pedophiles?
"The majority of the time I have spent online promoting the petition has been spent debating with people who could be nothing other than pedophiles. Some of them spent weeks and even months every single day focusing their efforts on pursuading others that the measures called for in the petition were a violation of civil liberties."
So if anyone disagrees with you for any reason, you're saying that they must be a pedophile? And thats why you say all judges are pedophiles?
If you seen their words it would be obvious.
I'm not talking about this forum.
I believe all people should be free to speak their beliefs. So feel free to disagree with me for anyreason.[italics mine]
With absolutely no respect... I will say that the pedophile judges on the bench who have been keeping sentences this low in the first place must be removed from any positions of power. "
Yeah you kinda did, especially you single out one judge only as different from the pack and even you heap abuse on. So according to your statement, all others must be pedophiles
Is there anything else that I am really saying that you care to inform me about? But actually instead of explaining to me what I'm really saying - why don't you explain further the point you are trying to make?
Is it that you are not a pedophile but you believe the laws are tough enough? Keep in mind, I am asking you if that's the case - I am not translating your statements for you as you have done for me.
[Edit - added] Good thing I put in this extra smilie. It gave me a spot to repost what was deleted due to someone flagging this post as what? - offensive? Reading it will give a good indication as to the type of person that would view this as a threat to their lifestyle.
Advocate says stiffer child porn sentence not enough
"By KEVIN MARTIN, Calgary SunLast Updated: February 19, 2010 4:32pm
The three-year term handed a kiddie porn peddler by a judge who refused submissions for a lesser sentence is still not enough, the head of a victims’ advocacy group said Friday.
“Three years to us is still too low, I’m not sure if it’s all that great a deterrent.”Hawco said kiddie porn images police uncovered on Secreti’s computer showing young children being sexually violated were “disturbing, degrading and abusive.”...
...In rejecting the joint submission, Hawco said it was reasonable based on past cases, but those punishments didn’t adequately reflect the need to deter such criminal behaviour.
“With the greatest of respect ... they have been too lenient with respect to this offence,” he said, of his fellow judges..."
With absolutely no respect... I will say that the pedophile judges on the bench who have been keeping sentences this low in the first place must be removed from any positions of power.
The fearful tone of the Honourable Justice Hawco, who is the only judge willing to go against the wishes of his "peers" and not give in to pressure to follow the status-quo by giving pedophiles a mere two years of free room and board, is a good indicator of the levels power he is standing against.
An extra year of free room and board isn't much but as this case demonstrates - it is a difficult and highly contested step in seeing that any justice at all is ever adminstered against pedophiles.I better go get extra virus protection... or stop typing. Too late...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SW8mL6EQ4I&feature=related
Socialists would rather protect criminals rights than victims rights in Canada. Fighting for victims rights is only something socialists do in other countries for the photo ops to send back home to prove how caring hearted they are.
But right here in Canada socialists have no compassion for victims rights. It would go against their leftwing ideology on how all criminals can be rehabilitated. Criminal rights over victims rights are their main focus. (maybe because so many criminals are socialist leaning?) Criminals rights trumps victims rights in Canada.
Actually webbietalkjam, criminals (at least those who are incarcerated) are more likely be inclined to vote for conservative/reactionary parties, and tend to be more religious than the general population. I do not have an online citation for this, but I have an old fashioned printed book that I can run over and get you the publishing info from if you really want to check it out for yourself. Of course when research contradicts dogma... well you can picture the rest...
Another one
Another what?
What you engaged in there, Webbietalkjam, is called "the strawman argument", and it is a fallacious argument. Issues of crime and punishment get discussed on the left and there is broad dissagreement between people who identify as left.
With absolutely no respect... I will say that the pedophile judges on the bench who have been keeping sentences this low in the first place must be removed from any positions of power. {italics mine}
while I certainly won't adopt that only a pedophile deffends a pedophile, there being jurisprudence on this from Salem, Massechessetts, I would join with you that judges that have a track record of undervaluing the protection of the vulnerable and weak in our society should be removed from the bench.
I believe in strong sentencing for child sex offenders but I do think it is possible to go too far.
Sex Offender City
where is the article or story about what prompted this rant?
Typical left wing wimps had to censor webbietalkjam's comments because it upsets the High Priests of separatism on this board. Must protect Quebec's interests at all costs.How much money are the separatisst poring into this board to protect their interests with english leftwing wimps anyways.
Say hello to Gilles DuCeppe the unofficial leader of the anglo left wing in Canada by the looks of this board.
Good question. It's obviously been deleted and not by me.
Technical glitch?
Well I'll repost it and see if it's deleted again. I doubt it's a copyright issue because I posted less than half the article.
Maybe I'll just put up the link.
well?
With absolutely no respect... I will say that the pedophile judges on the bench who have been keeping sentences this low in the first place must be removed from any positions of power.
The fearful tone of the Honourable Justice Hawco, who is the only judge willing to go against the wishes of his "peers" and not give in to pressure to follow the status-quo by giving pedophiles a mere two years of free room and board, is a good indicator of the levels power he is standing against.
An extra year of free room and board isn't much but as this case demonstrates - it is a difficult and highly contested step in seeing that any justice at all is ever adminstered against pedophiles.I better go get extra virus protection... or stop typing. Too late...
Thanks....... personally I think it should be life without parol, however, I am not sure that would even stop the sociopaths from doing what they are doing.....
Typical left wing wimps had to censor webbietalkjam's comments because it upsets the High Priests of separatism on this board. Must protect Quebec's interests at all costs.How much money are the separatisst poring into this board to protect their interests with english leftwing wimps anyways.
Say hello to Gilles DuCeppe the unofficial leader of the anglo left wing in Canada by the looks of this board.
Oh look, it's raining morons.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/joe_warmington/2010/02/19/1295...
Its that sort of thing that needs to change, because some people can't be changed.
Your link doesn't work, Yarg, but I found the column, and it's stupid.
For one, Dalton McGinty can't just tell the SIU not to investigate something. The SIU investigates whenever there is death or serious injury during a police action. And, rest assured as always, no matter what the police did or didn't do, they'll rubber stamp their approval, whether the police acted wrongly or not. Idjit boy who writes for the Sun tabloid either chose to ignore that, or doesn't know.
I believe Dalton McGinty has a lot to answer to, but trying to link him and a skating trip to those deaths is the kind of pap the Sun tabloid likes to engage in. It really doesn't further anything.
Perhaps if Warmington could write, and had half a brain, he'd have observed that the whole justice system in Ontario is in dissaray. The SIU is being investigated again by the Ombudsman. The head of the OPP is before the courts. Crown Attourney's ignore the directives of the Attourney General. A pathologist makes stuff up and ruins lives, yet there are no consequences, as there are no consequences for Crowns who withhold exculpatory evidence.
It's nice to believe, if it gives you comfort, that there's some kind of partizan political bias in our judicial system and law enforcement, or some kind of left wing/right wing conspiracy-- according to one's own bias-- in the system. But it's not that.
It's an institution that has come to exist for it's own benifit, to protect and promote first and foremost and it seems exclusively, the interests of the institution.
They are, quite litterally, out of control. And you can put anyone you like in the legislature, it's unlikely to change.
But, just for fun, why not ask Warmington his oppinion on the soft hearted judge that let fellow "columnist" John Snobellin skate from a weapons charge?
Thanks tommy .....
Well, you completely overreacted to the story I posted, perhaps it's my fault for not explaining myself more. I don't blame McGuinty any more than any other politician really, i was commenting more about the criminal in the story with dozens of convictions still on the street. We can't rehabilitate everyone. Perhaps that column was not the right example but I had read it somewhere recently so it came to mind.
Tommy,
the head of the OPP is no longer before the courts. All charges were withdrawn as unpursuable
Before anyone makes any strong statements against the well organized pedophile community ensure that you are taking precautions. This link will give you some idea of how they can phuck with your life.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/about9409.html&highlight=
From your post on your linke
"The majority of the time I have spent online promoting the petition has been spent debating with people who could be nothing other than pedophiles.
Some of them spent weeks and even months every single day focusing their efforts on pursuading others that the measures called for in the petition were a violation of civil liberties."
So if anyone disagrees with you for any reason, you're saying that they must be a pedophile? And thats why you say all judges are pedophiles?
If you seen their words it would be obvious.
I'm not talking about this forum.
I believe all people should be free to speak their beliefs. So feel free to disagree with me for any reason.[italics mine]
BTW Bacchus, I didn't say all judges are pedophiles.
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With absolutely no respect... I will say that the pedophile judges on the bench who have been keeping sentences this low in the first place must be removed from any positions of power. "
Yeah you kinda did, especially you single out one judge only as different from the pack and even you heap abuse on. So according to your statement, all others must be pedophiles
Bacchus,
Is there anything else that I am really saying that you care to inform me about?
But actually instead of explaining to me what I'm really saying - why don't you explain further the point you are trying to make?
Is it that you are not a pedophile but you believe the laws are tough enough? Keep in mind, I am asking you if that's the case - I am not translating your statements for you as you have done for me.
Im not translating, Im simply quoting. You could explain further but the quote, shows that what you say now is not what you said earlier.
Im not in favour of tougher or lighter sentences to be honest, I prefer a wide range of discretion for sentencing by the judge
Trying to get my mind around what type of discretion a judge would want to use in a pedophile and why........
Yes, Bacchus, are you maintaining that you're NOT a pedophile??
lonewolfbunn: are you also not a pedophile? Hurry and answer, before I jump to some conclusions!