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Manitoba's New Holiday: Louis Riel Day

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N.Beltov
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Yes it is good news - in college I was once banned from class for a couple of days because I dared to challenged my loyal orange protestant professor on Riel's role in shaping of Canada.

Le T
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quote: Yes it is good news - in college I was once banned from class for a couple of days because I dared to challenged my loyal orange protestant professor on Riel's role in shaping of Canada.

What college did you go to? and what union represented you?

That is a pretty inexcusable action on the part of the prof. I hope you filed a complainted against h-er/im and got your student union involved.


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File a complaint? Ha!

I made the mistake of correcting a professor about some aboriginal history. He made a few borderline racists statements to the class, the class laughed and I went from an A student to a B and never went up again. I even switched papers with a B student and guess what...she got an A for my paper.

YOu know what? There are so many battles to fight and we can't fight them all. I could have gone after that professor but there were other things I was fighting at the time which were much more important. Plus I was just damn tired.

Anyway excellent news about Louis Riel Day. My family has some history with Louis Riel! As do many FN living in the area. Cheers, I'm going to crack open a bottle of red and toast the occasion, please join me!


Le T
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quote: File a complaint? Ha!

Yeah, I know. But it in this case 101 got booted from the class for a few days and that might be something that would look good on paper as an official letter or complaint - for use later.


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I wasn't trying to be rude to him. The comment just sparked a memory. Sorry about that kiddo, no hard feelings eh?!

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The incident happened about 40 years ago and in those days the Student union was too busy leading Vietnam War protests to worry about a student disagreeing with a professor and Riel was still considered an outcast and hadn't gained the respect that he has today.

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I was watching a vintage "Front Page Challenge", and the guest that was on fought against Riel in the Rebellion.

Pierre Burton asked him what he thought about the changing attitudes towards Riel. The guest was very strident in remarking that Riel was "a murderer."

I think the show was taped in the 50's.

I'm not even sure that the Riel Rebellion was even a rebellion. Wasn't Manitoba in a kind of political limbo at the time?

Maybe it should be called the Macdonald Invasion?


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Two different events involved. He got hung for the 1885 Saskachewan Rebellion not for being a Metis leader and head of a provisional government in Manitoba.

I would like to see Gabriel Dumount properly honoured. If they had only left him in charge of the Metis forces the outcome might have been different.


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Sadly, I doubt it. The more successful Dumont was, the more vicious would have been the response. I would think that the army would have gathered up all the Metis women and children, and let them die of malnutrition and disease in camps.

Oh, and thanks for the clarification. I should be embarrassed not to know that.

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Instead they gave them script and let them starve after the Indian Agents and their friends stole it from them.

Our Not So Stellar Heritage

quote: As the land scrip was provided to the Mйtis, land speculators were prepared to buy the scrip for a fraction of its real value. Many of the Mйtis were illiterate and did not know the real value of the scrip they had been provided. These speculators included the Imperial Bank of Canada, the Bank of Montreal, the Bank of Nova Scotia, some private banks, and individuals.


There were a number of Mйtis that prospered in the years after Treaty 8, but the large majority suffered poverty and poor health with little access to education as they had no Aboriginal title that would have given them some access to services.

Hard to say what would have happened if the Canadian Expedition had been defeated. History tells us the Metis got a raw deal from losing including malnutrition and disease.

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When we play "what if", there is no accounting for random events, which certainly would have erupted.

But for fun, I think if the expeditionary force was defeated, there would have been no problem getting thrice the number of original volunteers-- from Orange Ontario. How that would have been received in Quebec is anyone's guess. Mine is that Macdonald would have had two rebellions to deal with. Could Dumont have played that possibility to come up with a political solution favourable to Metis? Hard to say. My gut is that Macdonald would have preferred rebellion to the possibility to losing face -- and potential profits for his developer members of the Family Compact.


jas
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Yes, definitely better than "Family Day", which almost made me wish the bill wouldn't pass.

But what happened to:

Burton Cummings Day
Bleak Mid-winter Holiday Day
"Friendly Manitoba" vs. "Spirited Energy" Day

or, my submission:
"Where am I going to Go in February" Day?
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[ 14 February 2008: Message edited by: jas ]


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Here's a bump because Monday is Louis Riel Day in Manitoba.

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quote:Originally posted by N.Beltov:
Here's a bump because Monday is Louis Riel Day in Manitoba.

Good choice. We're afflicted with "family day" here. So, no holiday for me, I guess....


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Catchfire
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I f'n love that crazy, Christian Fundamentalist Metis!

In Grade 7, I did a slide show presentation for my history project entitled "Louis Riel: Traitor or Hero?" (No PowerPoint, kids--real photography!) I still pride myself on coming to the correct conclusion. Probably because I've not accomplished much since, but that's another story...

Anyway, best ever biography of Louis Riel is by Chester Brown.

John A. MacDonald, 1885: 'Riel will hang though every dog in Quebec bark in his favour.'

I know who I'd rsther have on my money.


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quote:Originally posted by Catchfire:

Anyway, best ever biography of Louis Riel is by Chester Brown.

That is so true. I give this book as a present (birthdays etc.). It is marvellous.


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I'm so mad. Who the hell does Jack Layton think he is, calling for "Family Day" to be a national holiday? Either make "Louis Riel Day" national, or f*** off, to put it discreetly.

I've started a thread to promote Louis Riel Day as a national holiday.

What next? Puppies and heterosexuals' day?


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Manitoba Liberal MLA Kevin Lamoureux was quoted by CBC Radio today lobbying to have Louis Riel Day changed to Family Day. So Layton isn't the only Joker in the deck. Gah.

As an aside ... apparently the CBC would rather give a voice to critics of Louis Riel Day than actually bother to explain to its listeners why Louis Riel Day was established, why it "might" be a good idea, and so on. And all this ON LOUIS RIEL DAY. Thanks, CBC, and f*ck you too.


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How about we designate it as a Stat Holiday and let people decide what the day means to them? I'm all for doing that with the other Stat Holidays as well.

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quote:Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
How about we designate it as a Stat Holiday and let people decide what the day means to them? I'm all for doing that with the other Stat Holidays as well.

That would be far better than what that opportunist salesman Layton has done. How fucking dare he undermine Louis Riel Day? It's bad enough that Calvert proclaimed Family Day before going to his richly-deserved perdition.

This is utterly disgusting.

ETA: By the way, Scott, you're in that party of his. Did he consult you, or anyone, before coming up with this crap?

This is the same man who whipped his caucus to support the draconian "family values" neo-con Bill C-2, now wanting to celebrate "families" for fuck's sake. Is everyone just scared of saying "boo" to him? Are there no leaders of value to be had?

[ 18 February 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]


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Somehow, if the holiday had anything to do with a famous white guy, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.

I'm particularly disgusted by the CBC. Layton and Lamoureux have political constituencies that they're playing to, and their statements, while annoying as hell, are "understandable". However, you'd think they'd have the decency to wait, say, ONE DAY before trying to strangle Riel Day in its cradle?

Apparently not.

[ 18 February 2008: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]


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Well, at least you didn't call it an atrocity this time, unionist.

I'd suggest that his motive was not to undermine Louis Riel Day, but to create some equality for workers across Canada and within provinces. I don't really care what the day is called (hell, I gladly take Victoria Day off, and I'm for abolition of the monarchy; I'm an athiest, but I take Christian-inspired holidays).


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quote:Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Well, at least you didn't call it an atrocity this time, unionist.

I call it the way I see it. When Layton does the right thing - which he has managed to do on several key issues after the disaster of the 2005-6 election campaign - I praise him and encourage him to carry on. When he steps into shit - like Bill C-2 or this Family Day atrocity [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img] - I tend to speak very openly.

You didn't answer my question. Did you approve this? Or don't you count in the scheme of things? Who the hell does?


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OK, it's useful to point out that any new holiday is a good holiday. Especially if it's a day off with pay. For many people, who don't have a portrait of Queen Victoria in their living room, that's the main thing.

But is it really necessary for these two, and likely other, politicians to be taking pot shots at a holiday - the first one, as far as I know, in this country to be associated with a FN, Inuit or Metis leader - on this very day? [ETA: Layton didn't actually attack Riel Day, he just advocated for a Canada-wide "Family" Day and remained mum about what the holiday would be called in Manitoba.]And what business does the local CBC have giving these jokers a soapbox today anyway?

[ 18 February 2008: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]


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Sorry, I've got to promote my Facebook group here as well, as we have two threads going:

Make "Louis Riel Day" a national holiday!

Please consider joining and supporting this group.


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quote:Originally posted by unionist:

It's bad enough that Calvert proclaimed Family Day before going to his richly-deserved perdition.

This is utterly disgusting

Where were you in 1990 when Don Getty declared February 18th "Family Day" in Wild Rose County?

And why were you not incensed when Dalton McGuilty's phony-baloney Liberal government declared February 18th "Family Day" as the first of 50-some odd election promises they've actually managed to follow through on?

Is this about Jack Layton or NDP MP Pat Martin's bill, bill C-258 to reverse the conviction of Louis Riel?


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quote:Originally posted by Fidel:

Is this about Jack Layton or NDP MP Pat Martin's bill, [b]bill C-258
to reverse the conviction of Louis Riel?[/b]

The Manitoba NDP government deserves high praise for enacting Louis Riel Day. Jack Layton should have either supported this enthusiastically and called for it to be emulated across Canada - or kept his mouth shut.

I like to give praise where praise is due. Not where it's expected.


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