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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

Trudeau, Obama Commit to Deepening Canada-US Relationship

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trudeau-obama-commit-to-deepening-canada-u-...

"According to a readout of the call from the White House, the two leaders agreed on the importance of deepening the 'already strong' bilateral relationship between Canada and the US and committed to strengthening joint efforts to promote trade and to combat terrorism and climate change..."

jas

Impressive move for the very first day. Many Canadians have not been able to feel proud of Canada for quite some time, and Justin knows this, and he's sending a message. Not to mention a swift kick in the * to the outgoing ones.

Canada to withdraw fighter jets from Syria and Iraq strikes

NDPP

Sunny Ways Into Service: Trudeau's Majority Starting To Take Shape

http://www.embassynews.ca/news/2015/10/21/sunny-ways-into-service-trudea...

"...On the agenda will be an end to Canadian bombing in Iraq and Syria, the resettlement of 25.000 Syrian refugees, the legalization and regulation of marijuana, and immediate consultation with the provinces ahead of the UN's climate change conference in Paris, now only 6 weeks away.

He has appointed *Peter Harder, president of the Canada-China Business Council and a former deputy minister of foreign affarirs from 2003 to 2007 to lead his transition team. Mr Harder has, in the past, called on the government to engage in free trade talks with China. Embassy named him one of the top 80 influencers in Canadian foreign policy in 2013..."

 

* Peter Harder

http://www.dentons.com/en/peter-harder

"Peter is senior Policy Advisor to Dentons Canada LLP, President Canada-China Business Council, Member, Board of Genome Canada,  Member Advisory Board of the Ukrainian Jewish Encounter..."

Peter Harder (2009)

http://www.trudeaufoundation.ca/en/community/peter-harder

"...In 2008, Peter Harder was elected President of the Canada-China Business Council (CCBC). He also serves on the Board of Directors of the Canada-Eurasia-Russia Business Association (CERBA) and is a member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS)

Dentons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dentons

"Dentons is a multinational law firm and the world's largest law firm. Dentons has 120 offices covering North America, Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia, China, Singapore, North Africa and South Africa.."

Dentons - Elliott Portnoy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Portnoy

"Elliot Portnoy is an American attorney and the Global Chief Executive Officer of Dentons - a law firm that launched March 28, 2013...Portnoy was named the top DC lawyer in the category of 'Lobbying Law' by the Washington Business Journal. He was also recognized as one of the nation's top lobbyists by Washington magazine, which also credited him for the growth of Sonnenschein's lobbying practice. Denton's has been rated one of the world's top 20 Global Elite law firms..."

Dentons - Joseph J Andrew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Andrew

"Joe Andrew serves as the global chair of the law firm SNR Dentons...is an American politician and lawyer. He was named chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) from 1999 to 2001. During the 2008 Democratic nominating contest he was one of the first to endorse Senator Hillary Clinton in November 2007. However, on May 1, 2008, he switched his endorsement from Clinton to Senator Barack Obama."

 

 

NDPP

Pipeline Consultant Had Prime Spot At Liberal Victory Rally

http://www.canada.com/news/canada/pipeline+traditional+prime+spot+libera...

"A paid consultant for the Energy East pipeline stood just a few feet away from Prime Minister-elect John Trudeau Monday night as he made his victory speech in Montreal.

For at least three years, Phil Fontaine has acted as the principal liason between TransCanada - the company behind the proposed $12 billion pipeline project and - about 150 First Nations communities across Canada.

Specifically, Fontaine's firm has helped broker dozens of 'participant funding agreements' between aboriginal communities and TransCanada, deals that combined are worth millions of dolllars.

During the same period, Fontaine served on the board of directors of the Pierre Elliot Trudeau Foundation."

Liberanos are back

NDPP

Democracy Now: Canadians Oust Stephen Harper

http://ow.ly/TDpCr

"Liberal leader Justin Trudeau will become Canada's next prime minister."

Pam Palmater and Judy Rebick discuss

NDPP

CIJA: Building Ties Between Canadian Jewry and the Prime Minister of Canada

http://www.cija.ca/building-ties-canadian-jewry-prime-minister/

"...He has a fantastic team of advisors and staff (many of whom are Jewish) who understand that the Jewish community reflects the very best of Canada...and who understand the profound shared values between Canada and Israel. He has a number of MPs in his caucus who are proudly Jewish and supportive of Israel.

The Liberal Party has only been supportive of Israel in the past and has not yet done or said anything to indicate a weakening of that support. Justin Trudeau himself has spoken repeatedly in support of Israel and against the BDS movement.

The Canadian Jewish community has a strong voice in Canadian politics and if we use our voice constructively, we can encourage political support for the causes we hold dear. We have a new leader in Justin Trudeau who has expressed his unwavering support of Israel time and again, and whose staff, advisors and caucus members are attuned to the needs and interests of the Jewish community.

Let's embrace this new leader, let's appreciate the stance he has taken in support of Israel and let's continue to strengthen the relationship between Canadian Jewry and the Prime Minister of Canada."

 

CTV: Bob Rae on Justin Trudeau

http://ow.ly/TGRhp

"He has done what no one else could have done."

 

NDPP

Canada and the ISIS Combat Mission: US Would Like To Talk (and vid)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bruce-heyman-u-s-ambassador-isis-mission...

"The US ambassador has hinted that Washington may try to convince the incoming Liberal government to maintain a combat mission against ISIS, even though prime minister-designate Justin Trudeau has vowed to end it.

Heyman said the US and Canada are at record levels of trade and they had just signed the Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal.

'I would say there are smaller differences on a few issues."

takeitslowly

61 percent of those voted didnt vote for him.

NDPP

Yes, that's the way of their little contests I'm afraid... His high-scool drama teacher background will be more than up to the task ahead. Enough to convince enough of the audience. And where it isn't there's advisors. Rest assurred the guy on the bus from big oil was just the tip of the iceberg.

NDPP

Justin Trudeau's Transition

HTTP://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-trudeau-liberal-transition...

"Still basking in the glow of victory, Justin Trudeau and his inner circle have already begun the complex business of transitioning to power. Don Bourdria said the transition team - led by Peter Harder and said to include trusted campaign advisers Gerry Butts, Katie Telford and Cyrus Reporter - will work out a detailed strategy for the days ahead, from crafting the structure and mandate of the cabinet and proposing a date to recall parliament and deliver a throne speech, to listing off names of political senior staff.

Former Liberal deputy prime minister Sheila Copps, who is now travelling in Asia, says the Liberal win is being celebrated across Canada and abroad. She believes 'big change' is on the way. 'We will start talking about citizens again, instead of simply taxpayers.'

The team will be young..."

NDPP

Canadians Reject Harper, But Hold the Cheers For Trudeau  -  by Stephen Lendman

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/20/canadians-reject-harper-hold-the-...

"...Will Justin Trudeau change things? Not likely. He supports the same business as usual agenda, backs US policy in Ukraine, its anti-Russia militancy and Israeli occupation harshness, abhorrently saying, 'it has a right to defend itself and its people,' ignoring its ruthless state terror.

Campaigning, he said if elected prime minister he'll tell off Putin 'directly to his face' - calling him 'dangerous' in Ukraine and Eastern Europe, 'irresponsible and harmful' in the Middle East and 'unduly provocative' in the Arctic. 'Canada needs to stand strongly with the international community pushing back against the bully that is Vladimir Putin,' he blustered during a Toronto campaign rally.

His economic advisers include Larry Summers - a defrocked Harvard University president, notoriously pro-Wall Street. Is Summers shaping Trudeau's economic agenda? The Financial Post business section of Canada's National Post said a Trudeau win likely 'bodes well for Canadian stocks', - meaning his agenda is business friendly.

Expect Trudeau at best to be Harper light, pretending otherwise until voters realize they were had again..."

NDPP

Canada's Incoming Liberals Will Pursue Austerity and War

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/21/cael-o21.html

"Within hours of the Liberals sweeping victory, the financial elite had taken the measure of the new government and set about giving its marching orders. The Toronto Stock Exchange welcomed the new government by rising Tuesday. Many business spokesmen said they were pleased that the Liberals have a majority  and this will mean greater 'stability' - in other words the government will have an even freer hand in defying the popular will.

The right-wing character of the incoming Liberal government is also exemplified by those Trudeau is reportedly preparing to name to his cabinet, when the government is formally sworn in November 4.

As head of his transition team Trudeau has appointed Peter Harder, a former senior government official, who now serves on various corporate boards and is senior policy adviser to Dentons, the world's largest law firm. Harder is also chairman of the Canada-China Business Council."

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

72 hours in, and already Trudeau has sold us down the river!!!!

NDPP

Justin Trudeau's Inner Circle A Reflection of the Leader (2014)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-s-inner-circle-a-reflecti...

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

Trudeau, Obama Commit to Deepening Canada-US Relationship

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trudeau-obama-commit-to-deepening-canada-u-...

"According to a readout of the call from the White House, the two leaders agreed on the importance of deepening the 'already strong' bilateral relationship between Canada and the US and committed to strengthening joint efforts to promote trade and to combat terrorism and climate change..."

What gets me about the Canada/US thing this time around is that a big part of Justin's schtick was saying that he'd do a better job of sucking up to Obama, and thus be more effective than Harper was at getting things like Keystone built.

As opposed to those "ominous drumbeat" ads the Liberals ran in the 2006 election, which implied that it was Harper who'd be too close to the US, and the Liberals who'd keep them at a distance.

NDPP

Trudeau's Bold Change Pledge Was A Ruse, But Canada Now Has A Chance  -  by Martin Lukacs

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2015/oct/22/trudeaus-b...

'Liberals took up a progressive mantle when the NDP failed to project a vision of environmental and social justice - now it's up to the public to bend them to their will.'  [lol!]

On Monday night many Canadians breathed out a sigh of relief. Then they breathed in a whiff of apprehension. The ousting of the Conservatives was a victory, a rejection of Stephen Harper's politics of fear and outright hatred.

But Canadians now confront a Prime Minister gifted in the art of warm, fuzzy claptrap.

They won't be offered what they dreamed of: that was never an option in this election..."

 

NDPP

Why the Liberals Embraced Deficits To Fix the Economy (And Win The Election)

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/why-the-liberals-embraced-deficit...

Lawrence Summers, Chrystia Freeland, Justin Trudeau

NDPP

The Making of A Prime Minister  -  by Paul Wells

http://site.macleans.ca/longform/trudeau/index.html

"Sunny, sunny ways..."

 

W5 Exclusive: The First Interview with PM Designate Justin Trudeau (and vid)

http://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/w5-exclusive-the-first-interview-with-pm-design...

 

Understanding Canada's 2015 Election Result

http://pacificoutlier.org/2015/10/23/understanding-canadas-2015-election...

"Listening, strategy and political marketing."

 

NDPP

Oct 21, 2015: Who Will Trudeau Pick For His Cabinet on Nov 4th? (podcast)

http://everythingispolitical.ca/episodes/2015/10/22/october-21-2015-who-...

"Star-power from the North, he's getting a lot of attention..."

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Nunavut village puts Trudeau's promises to the test

A battle between a tiny Nunavut hamlet and three companies carrying out seismic drilling in Arctic waters is shaping up to be Justin Trudeau’s first major environmental challenge.

The community of Clyde River filed its latest legal action with the Supreme Court of Canada just three days before the Oct. 19 election. The filing followed the Federal Court of Appeal's rejection of a previous motion by the community— against the National Energy Board’s (NEB) 2014 decision to allow oil exploration companies to conduct blast tests in Davis Strait along the coastline of Baffin Island.

quote:

Seismic blasts leaving animals deaf and injured

The immediate priority remains stopping the literally earth-shattering sounds of underwater blast cannons from devastating Arctic communities and the marine mammals that serve as their food source. Powerful shockwaves from blast guns can injure, kill, or disrupt the navigation patterns of those animals upon which the Inuit rely for food.

“Seismic blasts are loud — in fact, they're the second loudest man-made sound ever created, second only to the atomic bomb," said Jessica Wilson, head of Greenpeace Canada’s Arctic campaign.

NDPP

Justin Trudeau Has Israel's Back (and vid)

https://youtu.be/OTvO_SeTvrU

NDPP

Q&A With Justin Trudeau: I Am Opposed To the BDS Movement

http://www.cjnews.com/news/qa-justin-trudeau-opposed-bds-movement

"I'm opposed to the BDS movement. I think that it's an example of the new form of anti-Semitism in the world..."

Pondering

NDPP wrote:

Q&A With Justin Trudeau: I Am Opposed To the BDS Movement

http://www.cjnews.com/news/qa-justin-trudeau-opposed-bds-movement

"I'm opposed to the BDS movement. I think that it's an example of the new form of anti-Semitism in the world..."

 

Where does the Liberal party stand on Israel, and the balance between security for the Jewish state and peace with the Palestinians?

We feel that the only way to achieve peace in this situation is a two-state solution of a secure, democratic, stable Israel alongside a secure, democratic, stable Palestinian state. And the way to achieve that is direct negotiations between the two parties.

It’s a process that is hindered by unilateral actions by either side, and we need to ensure that we are moving toward that two-state solution in a meaningful and responsible way.

Where do you stand on the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement?

I’m opposed to the BDS movement. I think that it’s an example of the new form of anti-Semitism in the world, as Irwin Cotler points out, an example of the three “Ds”: demonization of Israel, delegitimization of Israel, and double standard applied toward Israel.

I’m all for freedom of speech and expression in Canada, and we need to be sure we’re defending that. But when Canadian university students are feeling unsafe on their way to classes because of BDS or Israel Apartheid Week, that just goes against Canadian values. And I have said so, not just in news interviews, but in person on university campuses.

There are no political parties who would support BDS. It's too one-sided. Trudeau does allow criticism of Israel.

Retired lieutenant-general Andrew Leslie was last seen making Conservative and Sun News heads explode with criticisms of Israel’s “indiscriminate” and “dumb” bombing of civilians in Gaza. But on Saturday at the general meeting of the Liberals’ Ontario wing in Markham, during a foreign policy session for delegates, Mr. Leslie did not talk like a man on a leash.

He did cede a question on Gaza to co-panelist Kirsty Duncan, the Liberals’ international development critic. But on Canada’s shuttered embassy in Tehran, he suggested the Conservatives aren’t just uninterested in diplomacy, but hope to “exacerbate [the] situation … as a way to either anger or get excited their base.” And on radicalized young men shipping out to fight for ISIS, he called it “a tragedy for [the] families that have lost their young men.” He stressed ISIS’s barbarism has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. And he even dared mention the need to “deal with some of the root causes — disaffection, disenfranchisement, whatever it might be.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/gen-andrew-leslies-frank-talk-...

Work for perfect but don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

NDPP

 Lipstick on a pig is still a pig...

Liberals Would Maintain Current Govt Support For Israel

http://www.ottawajewishbulletin.com/2015/09/liberals-would-maintain-curr...

"There is no daylight between the Liberals and the current Conservative government when it comes to support for Israel insisted Liberal Party candidate Andrew Leslie..."

 

NDPP

New PM May Need To Compromise on F-35 Plan

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1318773-on-target-new-pm-may-need-t...

"Trudeau vowed during the campaign that one of his first priorities would be to end the RCAF commitment in the allied air compaign against [for!] ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

Of course Trudeau did not specify an exact date as to when the RCAF contingent will pack up and fly home from Kuwait. Some have speculated that in order to appease Obama, Canada might keep our six-pack of CF-18 fighters in the Middle East until the one-year Parliament-approved mission expires in April

As a sop to the Americans, Trudeau has also promised to keep Canada in the fight against ISIS, albeit in a different capacity than simply launching combat air-strikes.

During the campaign the Liberals also vowed to cancel Canada's participation in the purchase of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Trudeau stated categorically that, if elected, the Liberals would take this off the menu and seek a cheaper replacement aircraft for the CF-18 fleet.

For the new Liberal government, opting out of the fighter program for the sake of appeasing the electorate could have international repercussions of substantial consequence..."

mark_alfred

NDPP wrote:

New PM May Need To Compromise on F-35 Plan

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1318773-on-target-new-pm-may-need-t...

It will be interesting to see how soon he stops the bombing.  If it's abiding by Harper's initiative to go until April, as the article suggests may happen, then that's really not good enough.

The compromise that the article describes on the F-35 purchase sounds similar to what Mulcair had said about it.

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For the new Liberal government, opting out of the fighter program for the sake of appeasing the electorate could have international repercussions of substantial consequence. A compromise solution would be for Trudeau to put them back on the table and for the Canadian Armed Forces to conduct a fair and transparent competition to determine which aircraft will best suit the RCAF’s needs in the post-CF-18 era.

quizzical

webgear made a bet with me they would be out in 4 months, i don't believe it and April sounds more like it.

NDPP

Honeymoon Is On: Trudeau Up in Preferred PM Tracking By Nanos

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2015/10/27/honeymoon-is-on-trudeau-up-i...

"In the week following the Liberal majority victory, 39.2% of Canadians said they preferred Trudeau as PM, followed by Harper at 26.5%, Mulcair at 17.6%..."

NDPP

Voters in Canada Defeat Right Wing Government, But Pro-Kyiv, Anti-Russia Policy is Unchanged

http://newcoldwar.org/voters-in-canada-defeat-right-wing-government-but-...

"There were no significant differences in foreign policy between these three leading parties in the election. All three support the civil war government in Kyiv, the big-power sanctions against Russia and the threatening war-moves of the NATO military alliance."

Slumberjack

Mr. Magoo wrote:
72 hours in, and already Trudeau has sold us down the river!!!!

We're already down the river.  The election win simply means that its Trudeau's turn to paddle.

Slumberjack

NDPP wrote:
For the new Liberal government, opting out of the fighter program for the sake of appeasing the electorate could have international repercussions of substantial consequence..."

The SU-34 sounds like a good alternative.  Twin engine, two seater, comes with a galley, a toilet and space to bunk for those long missions over the arctic, does all the stuff the old F-18s can do but in a newer airframe.  TU95 Bear pilots are sure to get a kick out being intercepted by them.

Pondering

mark_alfred wrote:

NDPP wrote:

New PM May Need To Compromise on F-35 Plan

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1318773-on-target-new-pm-may-need-t...

It will be interesting to see how soon he stops the bombing.  If it's abiding by Harper's initiative to go until April, as the article suggests may happen, then that's really not good enough.

The compromise that the article describes on the F-35 purchase sounds similar to what Mulcair had said about it.

Quote:
For the new Liberal government, opting out of the fighter program for the sake of appeasing the electorate could have international repercussions of substantial consequence. A compromise solution would be for Trudeau to put them back on the table and for the Canadian Armed Forces to conduct a fair and transparent competition to determine which aircraft will best suit the RCAF’s needs in the post-CF-18 era.

I have no problem with him finishing our commitment seeing as it is over in a few months anyway. He never said he was against the bombing or fighting ISIS, just that he thought there are better ways for Canada to contribute to the battle.

A fake competition wouldn't make the other countries more agreeable about our pulling out. The planes do not meet our technical requirements and the price has risen astronomically so they no longer meet our budgetary requirements.

pookie

NDPP wrote:

New PM May Need To Compromise on F-35 Plan

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1318773-on-target-new-pm-may-need-t...

"Trudeau vowed during the campaign that one of his first priorities would be to end the RCAF commitment in the allied air compaign against [for!] ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

Of course Trudeau did not specify an exact date as to when the RCAF contingent will pack up and fly home from Kuwait. Some have speculated that in order to appease Obama, Canada might keep our six-pack of CF-18 fighters in the Middle East until the one-year Parliament-approved mission expires in April

As a sop to the Americans, Trudeau has also promised to keep Canada in the fight against ISIS, albeit in a different capacity than simply launching combat air-strikes.

During the campaign the Liberals also vowed to cancel Canada's participation in the purchase of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Trudeau stated categorically that, if elected, the Liberals would take this off the menu and seek a cheaper replacement aircraft for the CF-18 fleet.

For the new Liberal government, opting out of the fighter program for the sake of appeasing the electorate could have international repercussions of substantial consequence..."

I find this article to be so hawkish as to be laughable.  Both suggestions are based on pure speculation. 

iyraste1313

On Tuesday, Defense Secretary Ash Carter told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the US would no longer hesitate to engage in “direct action on the ground” in Iraq and Syria."

...interesting to watch how long before Trudeau will cave in on his plan to withdraw our forces...as USA must make its moves in response to Russian and allies successes...

I read somewhere here of plans to stop the Liberals in 2019?
Better be prepared to stop them now!

Pondering

iyraste1313 wrote:

On Tuesday, Defense Secretary Ash Carter told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the US would no longer hesitate to engage in “direct action on the ground” in Iraq and Syria."

...interesting to watch how long before Trudeau will cave in on his plan to withdraw our forces...as USA must make its moves in response to Russian and allies successes...

I read somewhere here of plans to stop the Liberals in 2019?
Better be prepared to stop them now!

The Liberals have a history of promoting peacekeeping and Chretien refused to invade Iraq with the US although we did participate in Afghanistan.  

Trudeau has stated that sending troops into the Mid-East is counter-productive and he is against bombing missions.

The people of Canada are much less militaristic than Harper. Harper tried to Americanize us in terms of attitude towards the military but it failed. We honour the sacrifices made by our soldiers but regret the violence. Harper tried to get us excited about the war of 1812 in 2012 but hardly anyone noticed. Our pride rests in being a peaceful nation not a powerful one.

We are part of Nato, we have treaties to honour, diplomatic ties that put pressures on us to participate militarily but we used to send many more soldiers to participate in UN peacekeeping missions rather than bombing missions. That isn't to say those missions were necessarily innocent, but Canadians in general are uncomfortable with military adventurism.

I hope you will be pleasantly surprised by Liberal foreign policy.

mark_alfred

Pondering wrote:

The people of Canada are much less militaristic than Harper.

Harper did surprise on occasion, though.  I recall being surprised when quite out of the blue he declared that troops would be brought back from Afghanistan.

National Post wrote:

Prime Minister Stephen Harper says there will be no Canadian boots on the ground in Afghanistan after 2014.

Canada had been asked to consider leaving some soldiers in Afghanistan post-2014 to continue to help with training.

But Harper says the deadline is firm.

Coincidentally, Trudeau is leaving "some soldiers in [Iraq/Syria] to continue to help with training."

NDPP

Any presence of CF in Iraq or Syria without the express permission of their governments constitutes  serious violations of international law. The cavalier manner in which this has been ignored along with the monstrous consquences of our involvement thus far in the deliberate destabilization and destruction of these sovereign states should be a matter of great concern to all.

quizzical

why should it be of great concern to all? what does it mean in my life if i'm not?

Unionist

quizzical wrote:

why should it be of great concern to all? what does it mean in my life if i'm not?

I'm sure when NDPP said "all", he meant everyone except you.

Pondering

mark_alfred wrote:

Pondering wrote:

The people of Canada are much less militaristic than Harper.

Harper did surprise on occasion, though.  I recall being surprised when quite out of the blue he declared that troops would be brought back from Afghanistan.

National Post wrote:

Prime Minister Stephen Harper says there will be no Canadian boots on the ground in Afghanistan after 2014.

Canada had been asked to consider leaving some soldiers in Afghanistan post-2014 to continue to help with training.

But Harper says the deadline is firm.

Coincidentally, Trudeau is leaving "some soldiers in [Iraq/Syria] to continue to help with training."

Yes, which is low profile and doesn't involve any direct combat or heroics or stealth aircraft. Canada will continue to contribute to the fight against ISIS which Trudeau stated before the election.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-i-ll-end-isis-combat-miss...

"We'd move away from the CF-18 [bombing] mission," Trudeau said in an interview with Terry Milewski on CBC's Power & Politics. "This government has failed miserably to demonstrate why the best mission for Canada is to participate in a bombing mission," Trudeau said.

And while Trudeau pledged to pull Canadian fighter jets from the Middle East, he doubled down on his commitment to send more military personnel to help train Iraqi security forces — beyond the 70 or so Canadian special operations personnel who are currently embedded with the Kurdish Peshmerga. 

"We would engage Canada's military in something we've demonstrated tremendous ability at in Afghanistan and elsewhere: training up local troops doing the fighting on the ground." Trudeau refused to say how many more trainers should be deployed.....

Trudeau ruled out committing combat troops to Iraq, even as the security situation there deteriorates. ISIS now controls more than a quarter of Iraq including Mosul, the country's second largest city. ISIS fighters recently took Ramadi, a city about 100 kilometres away from the capital of Baghdad. 

"I think 10 years ago we learnt through the first Iraq war what happens when Western troops get involved in combat. They don't necessarily, whether it's Libya, whether it's Iraq, it doesn't lead to the outcomes that people would responsibly like to see," Trudeau said.

I think training local troops is something the vast majority of Canadians would support.

Pondering

NDPP wrote:

Any presence of CF in Iraq or Syria without the express permission of their governments constitutes  serious violations of international law. The cavalier manner in which this has been ignored along with the monstrous consquences of our involvement thus far in the deliberate destabilization and destruction of these sovereign states should be a matter of great concern to all.

Unfortunately most Canadians don't know or don't believe that.

quizzical, if for no other reason, you might be concerned because you are paying the bill for it and it motivates terrorists to target Canada.

swallow

Pondering wrote:

The Liberals have a history of promoting peacekeeping 

While this is true from the 1950s into the 1990s, the Liberals in government from 1996 onwards have a history of abandoning peacekeeping. When the Liberals came to power in 1993, Canada ranked number one in the world as a contributor to UN pecekeeping. This has not happened since. Canada fell out of the top 10 peacekeepers in 1996, fell consistently over time, and ranked 61st in the world in 2006, when Stephen Harper came to power. Canada's rank has risen since then. By the numbers, both the Mulroney and Harper governments have a better record on thsi file (appalling as the Harper record ahs been) than the Chretien-Martin Liberal governments.

I hope to be pleasantly surprised by Justin Trudeau's foreign policy too -almost anything would be an improvement on the Harper scowl at the rest of the world - but let's avoid the myths and focus on the facts. 

[img]http://natocouncil.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/numbers.png[/img]

quizzical

Pondering wrote:
NDPP wrote:
Any presence of CF in Iraq or Syria without the express permission of their governments constitutes  serious violations of international law. The cavalier manner in which this has been ignored along with the monstrous consquences of our involvement thus far in the deliberate destabilization and destruction of these sovereign states should be a matter of great concern to all.

Unfortunately most Canadians don't know or don't believe that.

quizzical, if for no other reason, you might be concerned because you are paying the bill for it and it motivates terrorists to target Canada.

big breath....

i do care. i was attempting to indicate i didn't feel it was a complete statement and it needed reasons why. he posts too many links and expects people to just go there with no commentary or explanation.

for example, i'm alarmed and concerned at the failure of media to report and inform. i'm concerned people don't care about violations of international law especially when it comes to middle east countries. i'm concerned about Canadians being complicit in destroying countries. i'm concerned when you try to explain to people why they should be concerned they look at you like you're crazy.

i'm alarmed and concerned because we can't seem to find a way to get people concerned. i was trying to illicit a response from NDPP which could generate caring. i can't even get my daughter to care or feel it's important to know these things are wrong and do something about it. (karma as i'm sure my mom felt the same way back in the day) as for your examples why, i've used them both, a selfie is more important to most.

 

mark_alfred

Well, looks like Canada's sports teams may suffer:  http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/liberal-tax-h...

I actually don't care, though.

josh

Trudeau tells Netanyahu that there will be a "shift in tone."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/trudeau-tells-netanyahu-therell-be-friendly...

NDPP

Hi quizzical,

Canada continues to operate as per Western foreign policy objectives which involve the destruction of the Syrian state and dismemberment of its territory. Regime change was and remains part of this objective as is the use of ISIS and other Takfiri terrorists employed and directed by the West and its GCC allies for the overall purpose. This was planned some years ago and has nothing to do with the sins, real or imagined, of Bashar Assad. Given the hundreds of thousands killed and the scale of carnage inflicted upon  Syria, (and Libya, Iraq before) as a deliberate planned project, should fill us with horror knowing that this is the same power-structure that controls our country and its political representatives.

I agree that our media, who service elite agendas are a big part of the reason Canadians remain so ignorant, confused or unmoved by events occurring. I post here as a small corrective contribution but people's education must be their own affair.  I see the contours of a proto fascist national agenda emerging, even as Canadians self-imagine themselves as 'progressive' and their country on the side of the angels in world affairs.  It is hard enough trying to keep track of and post some of the significant and unfolding events. People will have to decide for themselves whether they care or not.

The Liberal Party under Trudeau will, I predict, not prove to be any 'real change'. My own research suggests  we will see a Canada even more pro-actively collaborationist with corporate interests and Washington, Tel Aviv and Brussels. Of particular concern to me is a small cabal of ultranationalist MPs deeply committed to the corrupt Kiev putschist regime, NATO expansion and the escalation of tensions with Russia. Zionist power and influence is another critical problem requiring our attention.

My suggestion to anyone looking for an easy way to supplement your existing news sources and increase understanding of some of these foreign policy issues, is to add RT news to your mix and compare it to CTV or CBC to see what you think.

https://www.rt.com/shows/news/320163-rtnews-october-30-17msk/

Pondering

quizzical wrote:

Pondering wrote:
NDPP wrote:
Any presence of CF in Iraq or Syria without the express permission of their governments constitutes  serious violations of international law. The cavalier manner in which this has been ignored along with the monstrous consquences of our involvement thus far in the deliberate destabilization and destruction of these sovereign states should be a matter of great concern to all.

Unfortunately most Canadians don't know or don't believe that.

quizzical, if for no other reason, you might be concerned because you are paying the bill for it and it motivates terrorists to target Canada.

big breath....

i do care. i was attempting to indicate i didn't feel it was a complete statement and it needed reasons why. he posts too many links and expects people to just go there with no commentary or explanation.

for example, i'm alarmed and concerned at the failure of media to report and inform. i'm concerned people don't care about violations of international law especially when it comes to middle east countries. i'm concerned about Canadians being complicit in destroying countries. i'm concerned when you try to explain to people why they should be concerned they look at you like you're crazy.

i'm alarmed and concerned because we can't seem to find a way to get people concerned. i was trying to illicit a response from NDPP which could generate caring. i can't even get my daughter to care or feel it's important to know these things are wrong and do something about it. (karma as i'm sure my mom felt the same way back in the day) as for your examples why, i've used them both, a selfie is more important to most.

Thank you for elaborating. I agree that it is frustrating that people can't see what the elites are doing, how we are being walked off a cliff in so many different ways.

quizzical

NDPP thank you i sincerely appreciate your effort.  and i do understand where you are at.

i just wanted messaging i can use to speak with young adults who are not in a university setting.

NDPP

And End to R2P As Sovereignty Buster?   -  by Yves Engler

http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/10/an-end-to-r2p-as-sovereignty-buster

"Right-wing commentators are calling Justin Trudeau's decision to withdraw fighter jets from Syria-Iraq 'un-liberal' adn unfortunately they're right.

But by citing the Liberal sponsored Responsibility to Protect (R2P0 to justify Canadian participation in the US-led bombing, these pundits are revealing the essence of this 'humanitarian imperialist doctrine.'

Will Trudeau discard the doctrine or quickly reveal himself as just another liberal imperialist?"

Pondering

NDPP wrote:

And End to R2P As Sovereignty Buster?   -  by Yves Engler

http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/10/an-end-to-r2p-as-sovereignty-buster

"Right-wing commentators are calling Justin Trudeau's decision to withdraw fighter jets from Syria-Iraq 'un-liberal' adn unfortunately they're right.

But by citing the Liberal sponsored Responsibility to Protect (R2P0 to justify Canadian participation in the US-led bombing, these pundits are revealing the essence of this 'humanitarian imperialist doctrine.'

Will Trudeau discard the doctrine or quickly reveal himself as just another liberal imperialist?"

The truth is, human rights rhetoric aside, R2P is an effort to redefine international law to better serve the major powers. While the less sophisticated neoconservatives simply call for a more aggressive military posture, the more liberal supporters of imperialism prefer a high-minded ideological mask to accomplish the same end. Those citing R2P to pressure Trudeau to continue bombing Iraq-Syria are demonstrating an acute, but cynical, understanding of the doctrine.

That it has been misused doesn't mean that was its intent nor that it is the way it must be used.

Did we not have a responsibility to step in during the Holocaust?

Will Trudeau discard the doctrine or quickly reveal himself as just another liberal imperialist?

Trudeau doesn't have to discard the doctrine in order to stop bombing. He is saying this isn't the best way for us to contribute to stopping ISIS, not that we shouldn't try. Our "responsibility to protect" can come in the form of training local troops if we believe that is a more successful approach.

NDPP

Justin Trudeau and Benjamin Netanyahu Speak By Phone, Set New Tone

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-netanyahu-phone-call-canada-isra...

"I'm sure maybe the style will change, but I don't feel there will be a change in the substance. I'm really reassured."

I'm not.

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