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quizzical

debunking the "alternative facts" people above. here is Mulcairs and the NDPs stance

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NDP Leader Tom Mulcair has denounced U.S. President Donald Trump as a “fascist,” and urged Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to stand up to the American leader on his plan to exclude refugees and some immigrants from the United States. During a press conference Thursday in Ottawa, Mr. Mulcair publicly repeated the term for a nationalistic and authoritarian government, which he first used to describe Mr. Trump in a March video with NDP supporters. “I didn’t wait for Mr. Trump to get elected to denounce him. I was very clear that his behaviour was the behaviour of a fascist,” Mr. Mulcair said on Thursday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-leader-tom-mulcair-deno...

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

debunking the "alternative facts" people above. here is Mulcairs and the NDPs stance

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NDP Leader Tom Mulcair has denounced U.S. President Donald Trump as a “fascist,” and urged Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to stand up to the American leader on his plan to exclude refugees and some immigrants from the United States. During a press conference Thursday in Ottawa, Mr. Mulcair publicly repeated the term for a nationalistic and authoritarian government, which he first used to describe Mr. Trump in a March video with NDP supporters. “I didn’t wait for Mr. Trump to get elected to denounce him. I was very clear that his behaviour was the behaviour of a fascist,” Mr. Mulcair said on Thursday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-leader-tom-mulcair-deno...

I am having trouble identifying what you are debunking. What "alternative facts" are you taking issue with?

quizzical

one poster stating wrongly the NDP are supporting Trudeau and i guess it was in another thread now i look back where another stated the NDP were remaining silent on Trump's behaviour.

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

one poster stating wrongly the NDP are supporting Trudeau and i guess it was in another thread now i look back where another stated the NDP were remaining silent on Trump's behaviour.

Oh -- ok

Thanks

I think the support was for where the positions were similar but it is certainly wrong to say the NDP has been silent on Trump.

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..good on mulcair.

On cross-country tour, Trudeau hears growing anger and frustration from indigenous Canadians

On his his just-completed nine-city town hall tour of Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau got sharp and sometimes angry questions about aboriginal affairs — a sign of the growing impatience and frustration many indigenous people and their leaders have with his government.

And the reviews, in some cases, have been less than kind....



A protestor shouts at Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as he speaks a town hall at the University of Winnipeg in Winnipeg, Thursday, January 26, 2017.

 

NorthReport

In the next election Canadians will be flocking to support Trudeau once again to ensure the Cons don't take power

NDPP

Trudeau's All Talk: How Canada Limits Taking in Refugees

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Trudeaus-All-Talk-how-Canada-Limit...

"Just last month, Trudeau's government imposed a cap on bringing in refugees in 2017.

'If you are a Canadian Muslim traveling to or through the US DON'T COUNT ON THE CANADIAN GOVT TO PROTECT YOU. JUST TRUST ME ON THIS.'

Maher Arar

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Trudeau's town hall tour is over. Guess which Western province he didn't have a town hall meeting in. I wonder if the reception he got in Saskatoon and Winnipeg had anything to do with it.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:
Trudeau's town hall tour is over. Guess which Western province he didn't have a town hall meeting in.

Maybe the one that rabble thinks is part of Alberta??

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Edzell wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:
Trudeau's town hall tour is over. Guess which Western province he didn't have a town hall meeting in.

Maybe the one that rabble thinks is part of Alberta??

Wink

quizzical

kropotkin1951 wrote:
Edzell wrote:
kropotkin1951 wrote:
Trudeau's town hall tour is over. Guess which Western province he didn't have a town hall meeting in.

Maybe the one that rabble thinks is part of Alberta??

Wink

Laughing

he did go to the Lunar New Year celebrations. lolol

and Jason Kenney is busy stating this 7 country ban of Trumps is going to effect people living in Canada from these countries and who work in the US too while Justin is busy saying it won't.

which is it?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Speeling error dully noted.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:
Speeling error dully noted.
And kwote ex-tinguished.

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:
Edzell wrote:
kropotkin1951 wrote:
Trudeau's town hall tour is over. Guess which Western province he didn't have a town hall meeting in.

Maybe the one that rabble thinks is part of Alberta??

Wink

Laughing

he did go to the Lunar New Year celebrations. lolol

and Jason Kenney is busy stating this 7 country ban of Trumps is going to effect people living in Canada from these countries and who work in the US too while Justin is busy saying it won't.

which is it?

It would be great if the governments on both side of the border understood that not everyone in a family unit has the same citizenship status. Pretending that a person is not "affected" becuase they personally are not banned due to their status denies an understanding of what a family is.

It is not clear that either Trump or Trudeau really understand this.

bekayne

josh wrote:
The real fuckwit is Bernier who ducked the question by saying it was a "U.S. internal matter."

Kellie Leitch did the same

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Oops moment

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

In Vancouver there is a large Iranian community who have dual citizenship and do business in both the states and Canada. This ban has already kept some of them out of the states for normal business.  The irony is they are families who fled Iran because they were Shah supporters and feared for their lives from the new Islamic state. 

Of course Trudeau was here for the Lunar New Year celebrations. It is the selfie celebration of the year for many people.

NDPP

It's Time To Mobilize Against Our National Security Apparatus

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/kyle-curlew/2017/01/its-time-to-mobilize...

"...Surveillance has this nightmarish way of slowly creeping forward...It begins to seem natural. As if it was always meant to be. This is an opportunity to move the issue of surveillance into its own social movement.

If we step aside and let the Trudeau Administration solidify the Anti-terrorism Act, we risk undermining every social movement..."

Sean in Ottawa

Amid all my criticisms of Trudeau, I have to acknowledge this:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/trudeaus-pmo-...

On reading the letter the PMO sent, I can only say that I support the content of the letter and the fact they sent it. I was actually very pleased to see it.

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Trump and Trudeau are gunning to massively privatize infrastructure – and it’s going to cost you

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It’s no coincidence that Trump’s transition team and early appointments are stacked with privatization advocates and those with deep ties to firms that will profit from privatizing public assets – whether it’s private prisons, private schools, or private infrastructure. One of the main tools Trump says he’ll use in his infrastructure plan is to “leverage public-private partnerships” (P3s).

But as I described recently in the Canadian context, these “partnerships” have proven enormously costly:

“P3s are simply less efficient – on average costing dramatically more than the public sector alternative. And it’s not hard to understand why…

Traditional publicly-funded and operated projects… don’t require paying out profits to private investors and, importantly, have lower financing costs, since government can secure much better interest rates than a private corporation.

This has all been well understood since the 1990s and documented over the years in a whole range of research on P3s.”

In fact, the Ontario Auditor General recently reported that the province had lost a jaw-dropping $8 billion over a decade by building projects as P3s rather than as traditional public infrastructure projects....

josh

The Trudeau government's economic advisory council is recommending Ottawa raise the age of retirement eligibility and explore a national child-care program as ways to deliver a much-needed participation boost for the country's workforce.

The proposals were among a collection of new suggestions released Monday by the government's hand-picked growth council. 

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/02/06/feds-growth-council-proposes-skills-upgrade-for-evolving-job-market/

 

 

quizzical

while it was also stated 40% of the work force will be out of jobs due to mechanization in 10 years.

the fluff is just hiding another promise broken with keeping the retirement age at 67

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

If they move the retirement age back to 67 they will lose the election.

quizzical

guess they think people will forget between now and then

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

while it was also stated 40% of the work force will be out of jobs due to mechanization in 10 years.

the fluff is just hiding another promise broken with keeping the retirement age at 67

I agree with you that it is important to see these two things together. Saying people have to keep working when there is going to be  no work is not a plan for dealing with a retirement income problem.

It is a plan to leave people desperate and drive down the price of labour which in the end will not create more jobs and impoverish the government which will ahve a lower take from taxation.

Bad all round.

quizzical

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
quizzical wrote:
while it was also stated 40% of the work force will be out of jobs due to mechanization in 10 years.

the fluff is just hiding another promise broken with keeping the retirement age at 67

I agree with you that it is important to see these two things together. Saying people have to keep working when there is going to be  no work is not a plan for dealing with a retirement income problem.

It is a plan to leave people desperate and drive down the price of labour which in the end will not create more jobs and impoverish the government which will ahve a lower take from taxation.

Bad all round.

i know eh.

why the media didn't pick up on the 2 discontinuities is beyond me.

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
quizzical wrote:
while it was also stated 40% of the work force will be out of jobs due to mechanization in 10 years.

the fluff is just hiding another promise broken with keeping the retirement age at 67

I agree with you that it is important to see these two things together. Saying people have to keep working when there is going to be  no work is not a plan for dealing with a retirement income problem.

It is a plan to leave people desperate and drive down the price of labour which in the end will not create more jobs and impoverish the government which will ahve a lower take from taxation.

Bad all round.

i know eh.

why the media didn't pick up on the 2 discontinuities is beyond me.

The other part of this is that if we don't eventually move to a 4-day week as efficiency rises we will have more and more shortages of work as people do what needs to be done in less time. People today do several times the work of a person a few decades ago. This was sure to catch up. The aging population could slow that down enough for us to figure out what to do. A 40hr 5 day workweek is not sustainable.

As well there will need to be a greater emphasis on cultural work as other types of work require fewer people to get done.

quizzical

what do you mean by cultural work?

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

what do you mean by cultural work?

Art essentially. While there is a limit to the work available in the area of life necessities, the more efficient we are in those the more humans can explore culturally in all the arts -- writing, music, painting, theatre, dance, movies... etc. It is not a new theory that it is artistic work that is the most sheltered from replacement with machines.

I think that art reflect a healthier society.

I realize it is a side observation of course to the point you were making.

josh

quizzical wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
quizzical wrote:
while it was also stated 40% of the work force will be out of jobs due to mechanization in 10 years.

the fluff is just hiding another promise broken with keeping the retirement age at 67

I agree with you that it is important to see these two things together. Saying people have to keep working when there is going to be  no work is not a plan for dealing with a retirement income problem.

It is a plan to leave people desperate and drive down the price of labour which in the end will not create more jobs and impoverish the government which will ahve a lower take from taxation.

Bad all round.

i know eh.

why the media didn't pick up on the 2 discontinuities is beyond me.


Very simple: they believe neoliberal economists and academics are the font of all wisdom and can do no wrong.

quizzical

in BC the difference between FN peoples from the coast and north is stark by way of art and culture. carrying capacity time was way less.

i get it.

i  disagree though on how a healthier society can happen just from art. i think you're seeing this from a position of privilege.

some people can't even get to a art reality in their lives. i know the theory is their saying art helps and i agree. but because i know so many people who can't even function day to day imv we need to start there. 

 

 

 

quizzical

josh wrote:
quizzical wrote:
Sean in Ottawa wrote:
quizzical wrote:
while it was also stated 40% of the work force will be out of jobs due to mechanization in 10 years.

the fluff is just hiding another promise broken with keeping the retirement age at 67

I agree with you that it is important to see these two things together. Saying people have to keep working when there is going to be  no work is not a plan for dealing with a retirement income problem.

It is a plan to leave people desperate and drive down the price of labour which in the end will not create more jobs and impoverish the government which will ahve a lower take from taxation.

Bad all round.

i know eh.

why the media didn't pick up on the 2 discontinuities is beyond me.

Very simple: they believe neoliberal economists and academics are the font of all wisdom and can do no wrong.

i was going to say after i'd thought for awhile "their just news readers on TV anyway".

but print writers should've picked up on it. or they're as you said.

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

in BC the difference between FN peoples from the coast and north is stark by way of art and culture. carrying capacity time was way less.

i get it.

i  disagree though on how a healthier society can happen just from art. i think you're seeing this from a position of privilege.

some people can't even get to a art reality in their lives. i know the theory is their saying art helps and i agree. but because i know so many people who can't even function day to day imv we need to start there. 

 

Please read my post. You did not interpret it correctly.

To say art is a sign or reflection of a healthy society does not mean that art alone gets you there.

There is a strong foundation for this statement.

Look up art and wellbeing of society -- many people have written about this and it is not a statement of privilege.

Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:
quizzical wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
quizzical wrote:
while it was also stated 40% of the work force will be out of jobs due to mechanization in 10 years.

the fluff is just hiding another promise broken with keeping the retirement age at 67

I agree with you that it is important to see these two things together. Saying people have to keep working when there is going to be  no work is not a plan for dealing with a retirement income problem.

It is a plan to leave people desperate and drive down the price of labour which in the end will not create more jobs and impoverish the government which will ahve a lower take from taxation.

Bad all round.

i know eh.

why the media didn't pick up on the 2 discontinuities is beyond me.

Very simple: they believe neoliberal economists and academics are the font of all wisdom and can do no wrong.

And this is part of the cycle. When neoliberal economists and academics are shown to be wrong this is used by the Trump crowd and others to quesiton science and evidence across the board -- except cult versions.

quizzical

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
quizzical wrote:
in BC the difference between FN peoples from the coast and north is stark by way of art and culture. carrying capacity time was way less.

i get it.

i  disagree though on how a healthier society can happen just from art. i think you're seeing this from a position of privilege.

some people can't even get to a art reality in their lives. i know the theory is their saying art helps and i agree. but because i know so many people who can't even function day to day imv we need to start there. 

 

Please read my post. You did not interpret it correctly.

To say art is a sign or reflection of a healthy society does not mean that art alone gets you there.

There is a strong foundation for this statement.

Look up art and wellbeing of society -- many people have written about this and it is not a statement of privilege.

i don't think you interpreted my post correctly. i was with you on the art and a healthy society.

i just think we don't need to start creating jobs there when we need so many educators, health care professionals, social workers and community builders for a start.

I.e. i would like to see 20 rehab centres start before creating more jobs in TV and movies.

my coment on privilege ws  base upon you starting there without thinking we need foundational supports first. because it means to me your giving it no thought you are not seeing what is needed at a basic level.

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
quizzical wrote:
in BC the difference between FN peoples from the coast and north is stark by way of art and culture. carrying capacity time was way less.

i get it.

i  disagree though on how a healthier society can happen just from art. i think you're seeing this from a position of privilege.

some people can't even get to a art reality in their lives. i know the theory is their saying art helps and i agree. but because i know so many people who can't even function day to day imv we need to start there. 

 

Please read my post. You did not interpret it correctly.

To say art is a sign or reflection of a healthy society does not mean that art alone gets you there.

There is a strong foundation for this statement.

Look up art and wellbeing of society -- many people have written about this and it is not a statement of privilege.

i don't think you interpreted my post correctly. i was with you on the art and a healthy society.

i just think we don't need to start creating jobs there when we need so many educators, health care professionals, social workers and community builders for a start.

I.e. i would like to see 20 rehab centres start before creating more jobs in TV and movies.

my coment on privilege ws  base upon you starting there without thinking we need foundational supports first. because it means to me your giving it no thought you are not seeing what is needed at a basic level.

Again you misinterpreted my post and took the comment out of context.

We were talking about a future situation where we would not have enough jobs.You started that line of the conversation and I agreed.

With technology there will only be so many jobs. There are only so many jobs for each of those you mention as well and not everyone can do those. Many jobs will be lost replaced by technology. They are not the same types of jobs.

You say I said that fixing society starts with the arts -- but I never said that. It is an area of growth that cannot be replaced by technology. At no point did I say it would come ahead of health care or education or community building in the way you mean (arts is community building in another way).

Just to show how strange your interpretation is -- I work in advocacy for health research.

You leap to these conclusions here very often grabbing part of a statement and then running with it not considering the context or what the person is saying. There is no basis here for what you accused me of.

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I think we have to change the economic model from industrial production of things which are not necessary to taking care of each other.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Are you ready for the neverending debate over which things are unnecessary, and which "take care of each other"?

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

We have too much crap that we do not need, and we do not care enough for each other. You fill in the blanks.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

I think we need those things.

Pondering

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Are you ready for the neverending debate over which things are unnecessary, and which "take care of each other"?

That would be different for everyone. We are already moving in the direction of measuring quality of life by more than just how much money a person earns. Medicare is taking care of each other. Public education is taking care of each other.

I was waiting for a bus on the corner of Mont Royal and St. Laurent today. The fumes from traffic were so bad I went into the pharmacy to wait. I'm not the only one who values clean air. That's another measure of quality of life.

People were not clamoring for 10$ t-shirts and dollar stores full of crap. People buy what's available but most would trade both for clean air. Free Trade was not a citizen driven movement that the government responded to.

To a large extent the problem is lack of interest and knowledge in the general population and maybe a whole lot of self-deception or rationalizing on the part of activists in their perception of what the general population priorizes. 

I was skeptical from the start when the Liberals promised electoral reform. I definitely never believed they would go with PR. I don't think any NDP supporters here believed it would happen and that 2019 would be fought under PR.

Posters are still wildly underestimating Trudeau. His presentation has improved tremendously since the debates. He's got a rock solid team of advisors and marketers. They are politically astute and you can bet they are already planning for 2019. They know that the Conservatives are going to be going on and on about the deficit and the economy. Trudeau knows the NDP will angrily bring up every single broken promise especially electoral reform. The NDP will bristle with outrage.

Then Trudeau will win again despite the NDP pointing out all the lies. If Trudeau doesn't win, it will be the Conservatives.

I do believe the NDP could win I just think they won't because there is no indication that they are changing tracks or even understand the need to.

 

 

Unionist

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

quizzical wrote:

what do you mean by cultural work?

Art essentially. While there is a limit to the work available in the area of life necessities, the more efficient we are in those the more humans can explore culturally in all the arts -- writing, music, painting, theatre, dance, movies... etc. It is not a new theory that it is artistic work that is the most sheltered from replacement with machines.

I think that art reflect a healthier society.

I realize it is a side observation of course to the point you were making.

Sean, see your bolded section. I think that assumption - which underlies your thesis that we can now explore areas where humans aren't replaceable by machines - is fundamentally mistaken. It betrays a static view of what society regards as "necessities" - instead of another view (mine) that with improved technology and productivity come ever-new achievable kinds of products and services which, becoming feasible, also become necessary.

Examples: Universal public free child care. Free post-secondary education. Free pharmaceuticals, dental care, vision care, etc. Once we say "free", the demand increases greatly, and that includes the demand for employment in those fields. But let's go further. Free housing (up to a level that society deems respectful and adequate). Free food and clothing (with the same caveat as before). Free public transportation. Free energy for personal use. And let's go further still. Massive increase in foreign aid to help distribute the wealth internationally.

Many of the things I've mentioned can be and have been automated. But that's a blessing, not a curse. It means we can provide them more efficiently and economically. But we'll still need more human labour to turn the wheels of supply to meet the exponentially greater wheels of demand - won't we?

And yes, we'll be able to do all this with a shorter work week and more leisure time and more attention to arts etc. But the key can't be that "the necessities are looked after now" - because they never are. You remember (not personally) what the necessities were during the Stone Age? They've increased since then - and we're working less. If we look after our planet, and each other, someone will need to convince me that that can't carry on forever. Or at least until the next catastrophic galactic event. By which time we'll have relocated to safer galaxies.

NDPP

Paladin1 the pic is perfect. Yes please, post the link.

quizzical

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

quizzical wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
quizzical wrote:
in BC the difference between FN peoples from the coast and north is stark by way of art and culture. carrying capacity time was way less.

i get it.

i  disagree though on how a healthier society can happen just from art. i think you're seeing this from a position of privilege.

some people can't even get to a art reality in their lives. i know the theory is their saying art helps and i agree. but because i know so many people who can't even function day to day imv we need to start there. 

 

Please read my post. You did not interpret it correctly.

To say art is a sign or reflection of a healthy society does not mean that art alone gets you there.

There is a strong foundation for this statement.

Look up art and wellbeing of society -- many people have written about this and it is not a statement of privilege.

i don't think you interpreted my post correctly. i was with you on the art and a healthy society.

i just think we don't need to start creating jobs there when we need so many educators, health care professionals, social workers and community builders for a start.

I.e. i would like to see 20 rehab centres start before creating more jobs in TV and movies.

my coment on privilege ws  base upon you starting there without thinking we need foundational supports first. because it means to me your giving it no thought you are not seeing what is needed at a basic level.

Again you misinterpreted my post and took the comment out of context.

We were talking about a future situation where we would not have enough jobs.You started that line of the conversation and I agreed.

With technology there will only be so many jobs. There are only so many jobs for each of those you mention as well and not everyone can do those. Many jobs will be lost replaced by technology. They are not the same types of jobs.

You say I said that fixing society starts with the arts -- but I never said that. It is an area of growth that cannot be replaced by technology. At no point did I say it would come ahead of health care or education or community building in the way you mean (arts is community building in another way).

Just to show how strange your interpretation is -- I work in advocacy for health research.

You leap to these conclusions here very often grabbing part of a statement and then running with it not considering the context or what the person is saying. There is no basis here for what you accused me of.

try rewording it then. i can't help but see what sticks out as the strongest message.

advocacy for health research is?????

Paladin1

Pondering wrote:

 

Posters are still wildly underestimating Trudeau. His presentation has improved tremendously since the debates. He's got a rock solid team of advisors and marketers. They are politically astute and you can bet they are already planning for 2019. They know that the Conservatives are going to be going on and on about the deficit and the economy. Trudeau knows the NDP will angrily bring up every single broken promise especially electoral reform. The NDP will bristle with outrage.

Then Trudeau will win again despite the NDP pointing out all the lies. If Trudeau doesn't win, it will be the Conservatives.

If anything people are starting to realize just who Justin Trudeau is and where his loyalties lie.

His $1500 a seat Liberal parties where he initially lied about not talking business (and where it sounds like the real price was $4500 or more) which violated the Liberals driven rules on the matter (being conflict of interest).

His shady new years vacation that once again violated the law about the PM taking private aircraft which he just fucked off and said it's okay because they're old buddies (which he strangely won't talk about how many times he visited the island).

Recanting a pretty huge election platform promising to scrap the F35 project.

His blatent attempt to sell Canadian soldier lives to get a seat on the UN security council.

 

You mention the conservatives will go "on and on" about the budget, well ya??.  Maybe I'm not reading you right but you almost sound like it's blown out of purportion?  What are they projecting now, 2050 or more? Sorry but they really really fucked up the budget, there's no fluffing it off.

 

This picture in the link below captures just who Justin Trudea is. 

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15941105_1642910736011397_...

Sean in Ottawa

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/first-nations-children-health-care-fract...

 

"And yet the government has so far spent only $11.4 million in this fiscal year, a far cry from the $127.3 million it earmarked last July, according to documents Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada and Health Canada filed with the tribunal last month, which were obtained by the NDP, and subsequently shared with CBC News. (The government's fiscal year ends March 31.)"

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

 

try rewording it then. i can't help but see what sticks out as the strongest message.

advocacy for health research is?????

So perhaps look at what the words say instead of the impression you are seeking confirmation for. I thought it was quite clear and not controversial to say that the arts reflect a healthier society. I did not say that you start there -- you claimed I said something I did not say.

You were talking about a situtaion where we had too many people looking for work and not enough things to do and then I said the arts as something we can invest more in -- then you reverse engines and talk about a situation where we would not have enough people and there are too many things to do. A contradiction in terms of context -- then you accuse me of speaking form privilege.

Either we do not have a not enough employment issue as you first suggested in which case the arts, as I said have a greater role, or we have too much that we cannot do and not enough workers. You played both ends againt the middle and then said I was speaking from privilege.

What is health reaserch advocacy? What word or concept is the issue? My work is about advocating for greater support for health research. I have not linked my employer to this site publicly because this is political. If you want to know who I work for then that would have to be a private message-- is that what you are looking for?

quizzical

no i was asking about it being a big field and was just interested in what aspect you were interested in.

my perception is; your first thought was "jobs in the arts" while my first thought was "jobs in the social service sectors, health care and education"

top of mind unaddressed societal problems imv should be #1 and people who don't perceive this are coming at their visuals of what is needed in life from a privileged position. hell i do it myself half of the time because i am more privileged than a large majority of my family even.

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

no i was asking about it being a big field and was just interested in what aspect you were interested in.

my perception is; your first thought was "jobs in the arts" while my first thought was "jobs in the social service sectors, health care and education"

top of mind unaddressed societal problems imv should be #1 and people who don't perceive this are coming at their visuals of what is needed in life from a privileged position. hell i do it myself half of the time because i am more privileged than a large majority of my family even.

We were both talking about a situation where we did not have enough jobs. We could only get to that if we had all the health services we needed.

Please stop ignoring context.

There was never, ever any suggestion that I proposed artists in place of healthcare workers. Nor is there really any credible basis for that since people will go in one field or another and they are not interchangeable.

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