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voice of the damned

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say(throwing in a lot of qualifications) that if certain interested parties play their cards right, Ms. Gregoire's misguided photo-op with the failed assassin could turn out to be what those same interested parties were hoping the Joshua Boyle photo-op would become.

NDPP

Racism, the RSS and Narendra Modi's Efforts To Turn India Into A Hindu Nation

https://www.straight.com/news/877876/gurpreet-singh-racism-rss-and-naren...

"Not many people would know that the governing party of India - the so-called largest secular democracy in the world - is an offshoot of a right-wing Hindu nationalist organization that sees figures like Hitler and Mussolini as its role models.

The world needs to wake up and see which way India is heading before considering extending free trade and business with it. India under the BJP government is not immuneto becoming an outright fascist state despite its glorious history of pluralism and diversity. In fact, it may be only a matter of time until the Modi government amends the Constitution to turn the country into a Hindu state."

See also:

Jaspal Atwal Fiasco Reveals Hypocrisy of the Indian Government

https://www.straight.com/news/1036361/gurpreet-singh-jaspal-atwal-fiasco...

"Not surprisingly, Trudeau has come under attack from right-wing commentators in India who want him to act against Khalistan supporters in Canada..."

And given his demonstrated servility to strong domestic lobby groups like Zionists or Ukrainian ultranationalists, it is almost a given.

voice of the damned

Interesting articles, however...

The world needs to wake up and see which way India is heading before considering extending free trade and business with it.

I don't know how feasible it really is to say that we should make decisions about trade deals with a country based on "the way it is heading". That's a fairly nebulous concept, and, except in certain fairly limited circumstances, the direction of any particular country is hard to predict.

Okay, so India under the BJP might be heading towards Hindu-supremacist fascism. No trade deals for them! But if Congress wins the next election, do trade deals become okay? Then what if the BJP comes back in the election after that? We cancel the trade deals?

voice of the damned

Okay. I saw this 2016 quote referenced in today's Globe And Mail, but I thought I should verify it first.

"I have more Sikhs in my cabinet than Modi."

Apparently, that caused a bit of a ruckus in India(Go figure!) And when you've got quotes like that under your belt, you don't have much room to screw up when it comes to the sectarian divide in India.

https://tinyurl.com/j54xhxx

 

 

 

Sean in Ottawa

alan smithee wrote:

Oh please. This is far from unprecedented. I even recall George W,,Harper too, wearing traditional clothing of the host country he was visiting.How quickly we forget.

This is a bunch of right wing garbage. If you're going to attack,find something with actual substance. This is really weak. What a pathetic 'controversy'.

I think you are probably mistaken on this confusing a G7 / G8 etc. tradition with this. There is a tradition at those international meetings where the host would arrange some kind of national garb for all guests. This is, as I say, arranged by the host who decides the look and everyone participates. This is not the same as showing up as a guest on your own and appropriating your idea of the traditional clothing of the country you are visiting. This has been embarassing for Canada.

These kinds of things should not be treated as a game by an arrogant leader. Damage is done on a policy front from the accumulation of such antics -- people that might support the PM's view on some things may find a Conservative in his place due to such behaviour.

The effect of a party scooping up support in a campaign and then blowing it while in power, or blowing a campaign, lets down those who supported that platform for more than the looks of the leader. When either the NDP or Liberals blow political opportunities on non-policy issues, the people who support those policies are let down. And since they are largely competing for the same support, such waste affects the supporters of the other party that opposes the conservatives.

Political parties occupy space in the area of public ideological outlook. Incompetence does not make it like they are not there -- it creates a black hole into which goes the support and energy of those wanting a particular point of view in power. When the NDP and Liberals compete for this with similar rhetoric, as they often do, they are not just letting down the supporters of thier party but all who oppose a more conservative point of view. Of course when the Conservatives do this, they let down their supporters as well (as hopefully will happen in Ontario - fingers crossed).

NDPP

On Contact: Rise of Hindutva Fascism With Shela Rashid Shora

https://youtu.be/aLOm1LSwSPA

Chris Hedges interviews this important Indian activist on the Modi government and Hindu fascism. This is the true nature of the regime that Justin Trudeau so desperately capered for and brown-nosed to on his recent embarrassing visit.

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

On Contact: Rise of Hindutva Fascism With Shela Rashid Shora

https://youtu.be/aLOm1LSwSPA

Chris Hedges interviews this important Indian activist on the Modi government and Hindu fascism. This is the true nature of the regime that Justin Trudeau so desperately capered for and brown-nosed to on his recent embarrassing visit.

Well, like it or not(and I don't much like it), the BJP are the elected government of India at the current time. So, unless Canada intends to break off relations over their Hindu chauvinist policy, treating Modi with the usual degree of respect and decorum normally offered by one world leader to another seems like an appropriate thing for Trudeau to do.

And as for the possibility of breaking off relations, well, again, I don't like the BJP, but Hindu supremacy is not written into the permanent law of India in the same way that, say, white supremacy was written into the permanent law of apartheid South Africa. So, if that's the route some people think we should go down, I'm not at all sure that it's justified at the present time.

NDPP

re:  JT's Modi brownosing.

Canada's Brookfield up against Abu Dhabi SWF ADIA for piece of $1B 'toll-operate-transfer'  highway privatization scheme

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/966911976575156224

"This is India's first foray into asset recycling and will form the template for other sectors..."

ps 'asset recycling' is a good one.

NDPP

'The Liberals Aren't Alone': All Parties Must Contend With Sikh Extremism Says Dosanjh

https://globalnews.ca/news/4044492/trudeau-liberals-sikh-extremism-ujjal...

"Former [NDP] BC premier, Ujjal Dosanjh tells Eric Sorenson that Canadian politicians can't be partying with Khalistani separatists in private or public while saying they believe in united India."

Another Controversy Hits Trudeau's Indian Visit...

http://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/justin-trudeau-indian-visit-ja...

"Another controversy has hit Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's visit to India, as a map misrepresenting Jammu and Kashmir was put up at an event he was speaking at. A map showing a distorted Jammu and Kashmir - without the entire POK area including Gilgit and Baltistan - was placed at an event in New Delhi where the Canadian prime minister and his wife were speaking at. 

India has firmly maintained that Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir is a part of India and has been encroached upon by Pakistan. The distortion of the map will come as further embarrassment for the Canadian government..."

Part of the problem is that Canadian politicians, and their advisors are so uninterested, stupid and un/mis informed about foreign affairs, that most don't know their ear-holes from their ass-holes in this regard, as should be obvious from Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Palestine etc.

NDPP

India Refutes Justin Trudeau's Assertions On Involvement in Terror Convict Jaspal Atwal's Presence At Mumbai Event

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-refutes-justin-trudeaus-...

"Justin Trudeau asserted yesterday that he believes New Delhi has something to do with the presence of terror convict and Khalistani Jaspal Atwal at an official Mumbai event. India today said that suggestion is 'baseless and unacceptable' and refuted Trudeau's assertion..."

NDPP

Trudeau's Diplomatic Imbecility

http://thechronicleherald.ca/editorials/1550070-editorial-trudeau%E2%80%...

"Will Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stop destroying Canada's relations with the government of India? It's not in the country's interest to do so..."

NDPP

It's Time to Start Calling Trudeau's Climate Policy What It Really Is - Unconscionable

https://ricochet.media/en/2143/its-time-to-start-calling-trudeaus-climat...

"The Kinder Morgan pipeline battle reminds us that there was never much reson to suppose the PM would prove equal to the defining challenge of our time..."

voice of the damned

NDPP:

In post # 309, you accuse Trudeau of "brownnosing" to Modi.

In post # 312, you quote a newspaper article accusing Trudeau of "imbecility" for "insulting the prime minister of India". The article also praises Modi for being "gracious" in his dealings with Trudeau.

Are you just posting anything that says bad stuff about Trudeau, irrespective of whether or not the articles are consistent with one another?

 

NDPP

Justin Trudeau Says Donald Trump Has Always Talked Straight With Him (and vid)

https://globalnews.ca/news/4079068/john-helmer-donald-trump-cnn-anderson...

"Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says President Trump is a straight shooter. Trump created the tariffs with the claims that they were part of a security issue but Trudeau pointed out to the host that the US military needs Canadian steel.

'On the national security side, we have always been incredibly integrated. Canadian aluminum is in your fighter jets. Canadian steel is in your tanks' Trudeau said on CNN. 'There is no better security partner to the United States than Canada..."

Pondering

NDPP wrote:
 Part of the problem is that Canadian politicians, and their advisors are so uninterested, stupid and un/mis informed about foreign affairs, that most don't know their ear-holes from their ass-holes in this regard, as should be obvious from Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Palestine etc.

And yet they still know a lot more than most Canadians. Any associating of Sikhs with extremism will hit Singh harder than Trudeau. Not all Sikh separatists are violent just like not all Quebec sovereignists are violent. The FLQ was, but that is old news. So is the Air India bomb or whatever it was. 

Trudeau seems to be dropping a bit now but this is similar to Trudeau tanking before the 2015 election and we saw how that turned out. It's a pretty safe bet that he will roll out all kinds goodies before the election that will increase his popularity again. There is also a danger that attacking Trudeau will benefit the Conservatives not the NDP. 

Singh has to focus on policy that generates inequality because that tars the Liberals and Conservatives with the same brush. 

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

NDPP wrote:
 Part of the problem is that Canadian politicians, and their advisors are so uninterested, stupid and un/mis informed about foreign affairs, that most don't know their ear-holes from their ass-holes in this regard, as should be obvious from Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Palestine etc.

And yet they still know a lot more than most Canadians. Any associating of Sikhs with extremism will hit Singh harder than Trudeau. Not all Sikh separatists are violent just like not all Quebec sovereignists are violent. The FLQ was, but that is old news. So is the Air India bomb or whatever it was. 

Trudeau seems to be dropping a bit now but this is similar to Trudeau tanking before the 2015 election and we saw how that turned out. It's a pretty safe bet that he will roll out all kinds goodies before the election that will increase his popularity again. There is also a danger that attacking Trudeau will benefit the Conservatives not the NDP. 

Singh has to focus on policy that generates inequality because that tars the Liberals and Conservatives with the same brush. 

I think given the attendence with Sikh nationalist movement events, Singh will have to explain his positions. So far it looks like he is deflecting. If he continues to be anything less than open and direct, he will blow his credibility and it will not ever recover. He needs some good advisers now as he risks undoing everything he has accomplished politically. Essentially, he now faces a choice between being vague enough to have the pleasure of the Sihk nationalists or having the credibility of a party leader. He cannot have both. This will stick like glue if he is not careful.

It is understandable that he is in a difficult spot but he simply cannot call attempts to get a straight answer from him racism or something he does not have to answer. If his private opinions on this are incompatible with the public, then sadly, he would have to resign. You cannot stand for public office in Canada supporting the breakup of one of the countries Canada seeks to have good relations with. You also cannot snow Canadians with non-answers about this.

If Singh, is not showing any support for Sihk nationalism, then he needs to say it without deflection and say it clearly. This is not unfair or about racism. It would be asked of any leader with the ties he obviously has, regardless of their background. Canadians will expect nothing less than the first loyalty being to Canada. Being clear on his positions is a part of that. The fact that this movement was connected to the biggest terrorist attack in Canada, in history, leaves no cover.

Sure -- private people can be private about certain things -- political leaders do not have that option on all things.

Pondering

He has a clear position. Singh supports the right of all separatists which includes those in India if they have 50+1 support. If the separatists in India have that then he supports them. But who cares? As far as I can tell only the pundits. Everyone else is:

  • "whatever, it's India, who's Singh?"
  • (Leader of the NDP)
  • "oh, I don't pay attention to politics between elections" "Did you see Black Panther?"

The right wing is trying to make this into something but it's just playing to their base. The only people that might care a little bit are diaspora and nothing said in the news is going to influence their opinion. Those that are interested are already informed. 

Singh should stick to his guns. His support for separation with 50%+1 will be popular in Quebec. The rest of Canada is "whatever" on the subject. It's a dead horse. 

Pundits can focus on whatever they like. They don't have near the influence people think they have.

Right wingers listen to right wing pundits and left wingers listen to left wing pundits. People in the centre wait for the election. They don't want to hear all the detailed little shit. That's why Ford is such a threat. He only needs 3 or 4 five-word sentences. It's why Harper's labeling of Dion and Ignatieff were so effective. Nobody paid attention to policy. Harper was breaking election laws and doing horrible things like shutting down the experimental lakes etc. but nobody gave a damn when it came time to vote. He still has a reputation as a great economic manager. 

Singh is focusing on inequality therefore the economy. That is a 99% issue. He has to poke holes in neoliberal "truths" that people have come to believe about the economy. 

Trudeau is timing infrastructure projects to be coming on line before the election to stimulate the economy but not so far in advance that the impact will be lost. Same goes for cannabis legalization. Same goes for "pharmacare". Trudeau will as much as possible simply ignore criticism. By refusing to defend himself stories loose their legs. It isn't very interesting reading stories about someone avoiding answering questions unless the issue is of great interest. I'm sure he is prepared for questions on Transmountain and Keystone and NAFTA and TPP. His answers will be short so he can't be accused of not answering at all and he will segue smoothly into Liberal policy. 

I think Singh will be a much better debater so he might be able to make Trudeau look the fool during debates. Singh will have to force him off script in a way pundits can't. Singh against Scheer, no contest. Trudeau against Scheer probably no contest. I don't fear a Conservative surge. I think their current support is very soft and will be easily overcome by Trudeau's platform. 

Sean in Ottawa

I disagree -- with the idea that being against violence is enough. For a Canadian political leader to be involved in a seperatist movement -- even peacefully while participating here, is problematic. He can do one or the other. He should put this to bed by endorsing the territorial integrity of India or not be a federal leader. That is setting aside the whole principle of associating with a movement that has been violent on Canadian soil -- even if you disavow that violence.

I am being no harsher than Canadians will be in an election.

Sure, I agree many are not paying attention right now but they will and it won't be pretty if he does not settle this conclusively.

NDPP

Justin Trudeau Oversteps, Casting Doubts and Uncomfortable Questions Over Canada's Expulsion of Four Russian Diplomats   -   by Roger Annis

http://rogerannis.com/justin-trudeau-oversteps-casting-doubts-and-uncomf...

"...Trudeau's misstep comes in tandem with the wheels falling off the British government's attempts to frame up the Russian government for an alleged poisoning on UK soil. Ironically, all this is being played out in Canada's mainstream media whose editorial stands are uniformly hostile to all things Russian. Meanwhile, alternative media and the political left are silent because they have given over to the prevailing anti-Russia hysteria being orchestrated by the Ottawa government and country's mainstream media.

The NDP caucus in Parliament voted unanimously in favour of the Trudeau government's expulsions of the Russian diplomats. Both the expulsions and the NDP and Green Party's votes in favour have not been reported or commented upon in alternative media. The left is hoping and praying that all the dangers associated with NATO's new Cold War with Russia will just go away, leaving middle class Canadians in peace amidst a troubling world. 

If only the crazed and toxic anti-Russia drive would go away. Trudeau's message is that questioning Canada's continued ties to Ukrainian Nazis and neo-Nazis is something that will get you into trouble with his government..."

Medals for Canada-Trained Azov NATO Nazis in Ukraine

http://twitter.com/mikolaswed/status/913468028741996545

Pondering

How is it a miss-step if media and oppostion parties are fine with it? What's the negative fallout?

JKR

The negative fallout is that Vlad Putin seems unhappy.

bekayne

JKR wrote:
The negative fallout is that Vlad Putin seems unhappy.

Poor Vlad.

Pondering

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I disagree -- with the idea that being against violence is enough. For a Canadian political leader to be involved in a seperatist movement -- even peacefully while participating here, is problematic. He can do one or the other. He should put this to bed by endorsing the territorial integrity of India or not be a federal leader. That is setting aside the whole principle of associating with a movement that has been violent on Canadian soil -- even if you disavow that violence.

I am being no harsher than Canadians will be in an election.

Sure, I agree many are not paying attention right now but they will and it won't be pretty if he does not settle this conclusively.

He has already stated that he does not have a political position concerning Sikh independence. His only position is to defend the rights of Quebecers, Catalonians, and Sikhs to democratically secede if they choose to. 

It's frustrating to see no matter how clear he is and no matter how many times he states his position there are people who simply refuse to hear him. I don't see what more he can do. I don't think he should have to state daily that he is not promoting Sikh independence and he abhors all violence and condemns all terrorism. 

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

 I don't think he should have to state daily that he is not promoting Sikh independence.

Can you provide the link to him saying this once please?

I have seen the anti violence but I have not seen him say this part.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Should Canadian politicians similarly swear on a stack of pancakes that they're not "promoting" Quebec sovereignty, even if they support it?  It's a fairly thin hair to split, but is there a difference between (say) the NDP supporting Quebecer's right to leave, and promoting it?

JKR

Pondering wrote:

He has already stated that he does not have a political position concerning Sikh independence. His only position is to defend the rights of Quebecers, Catalonians, and Sikhs to democratically secede if they choose to. 

India does not recognize the right of Sikh's to separate from India. I think India will strongly object if Singh takes the position that Sikhs have the right to secede from India.

Pondering

Transferring response to Singh thread. 

NDPP

New Book Pans Trudeau's Foreign Policy, Reveals His Frosty Relationship With Stephane Dion

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/new-book-pans-trudeaus-foreign-pol...

"A book lambasting Justin Trudeau's approach to foreign policy and exposing his frosty relationship with Stephane Dion has been making waves in Quebec. Trudeau is described as 'irritated' by Dion's strong opinions on foreign policy and in particular his insistence on rapprochement with Russia. Coulan describes Trudeau as a man 'incurious about the affairs of the world,' and a leader more influenced by surveys and media..."

See also:

https://on.rt.com/92kf

 

NDPP

Trudeau Promotes Five Eyes Spying As CSE Gets More Money  -  by Yves Engler

https://buff.ly/2K6Cqx7

"Government is seeking to substantially expand CSE powers and two months ago put up $500 million to create a federal 'cybersecurity' centre. The money is on top of CSE's $600 million annual budget and a massive new $1.2 billion complex. 

The Five Eyes arrangement has made Canada complicit in belligerent US foreign policy. It's time for a debate about Canadian participation in the 'Anglosphere's' intelligence sharing agreement..."

 

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Don't forget France bought into "Five Eyes", and Israel is a de facto member.

"And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads; and on its horns were ten diadems (jeweled crowns, which are symbols of sovereignity), and on its heads were blasphemous names." - Revelation 13:1

NDPP

Yes, indeed,  a very significant and important western  intelligence operation. Most Canucklheads haven't a clue. And prefer it that way.

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Stop torture: End Indefinite Solitary Confinement

The federal government has decided they would rather support torture than comply with the law and stop the use of indefinite solitary confinement in Canadian prisons. We need your help to end this destructive practice now.
 

One out of every four prisoners in Canada has spent time in solitary confinement. Isolated for up to 23 hours a day, sometimes months and years at a time, they have been harmed physically, mentally, and spiritually. At any given time, there are as many as 1800 people in solitary confinement in federal or provincial correctional institutions.

The United Nations has found solitary confinement for more than 15 days to be a form of torture. People are needlessly suffering right now -- will you sign the petition and call on the federal government to end this torturous practice?

NDPP

On Israel, Trudeau is Harper's Pupil

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-on-israel-trudeau-is-har...

"Overall, Canada's voting record at the UN under the Trudeau government thus far is among the most pro-Israel in the world..."

Even the glob notices. Canadians need to stop averting their eyes from Zionist domination of their political system.

NDPP

A Canadian Voter's Guide To Political Blackmail

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/07/13/a-canadian-voters-guide-to-polit...

Always good to see somone unafraid to call a spade a spade rather than avert the eyes and pretend it aint so...

NDPP

PM Trudeau Urges World Leaders To Follow Nelson Mandela's Example (and vid)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pm-trudeau-urges-world-leaders-to-follow...

"As we pay tribute to the legacy of Nelson Mandela, Canada reaffirms its commitment to push forward the work he began. Canada will continue to call out the unfair treatment of racial and ethnic minorities, of women and girls, of Indigenous Peoples,' he said. We will continue to speak up for the people of Venezuela. Canada will always stand tall for democracy, the rule of law and human rights at home and abroad.' 

What BS. LOLies.

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