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Stephen Harper's Conservatives Are Negotiating A Perimeter Security Agreement with the US..

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Canada Negotiating Perimeter Security Deal with US

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canada-negotiating-perimete...

"Stephen Harper's Conservatives are negotiating a perimeter security agreement with the United States:

'We intend to work together to defend and protect the land, maritime, air and cyberspace domains of both the United States and Canada and to enhance the security of our integrated transportation and communications networks,' says a draft version of a declaration on a possible deal obtained by the Globe and Mail..'

This will be yet another 'agreement with consent' to further massive US penetration and control of Canada's security state. This and the security agreement with Israel are significant developments in the national security state and its linkage to greater imperial surveillance power and control

 


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RosaL
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I remember reading years ago that this was part of the long range plan formulated by the CCCE and the Independent Task Force on the Future of North America. See here. And here it is.


RevolutionPlease
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Yikes!


Bacchus
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Hmm so how long does it take for this to slide into a lessening of our labour laws, quality(CSA) standards, human rights legislation, and having to carry ID on our persons having to show them to the merest whisper of a 'request' from the law?

 

All to 'merge' our system to theirs? And an agreement for Mexico which Im guessing means the american army/police and criss cross the border if they want to in order to get someone or 'keep the peace'

 


thorin_bane
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Not to worry fromer malroney minister turned tobacco lobbyist say that bribing the government to do things not in the interests of canadians is pretty easy.


E.P.Houle
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I protest. The title implies negotiation and not capitulation. It's one thing to abdicate resonsibility and another to do it under duress. The one is stupid and the second is rape. Legally there is a distinction but hard to prove. I would hope that the failing empire down south's faults can be soon removed with a stroke of the pen just as they have stolen our rights from the PMO office.


E.P.Houle
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Suivant,

Free Marc Emory and Leonard Peltier et al.

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Held in cages with no rights for the crime of defending the children.


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Tories to Announce Deal Forming North America 'perimeter'  by John Ivison

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Conservatives+announce+border+security+...

"Sources suggested that Prime Minister Stephen Harper and President Barack Obama will sign the broad-ranging agreement in Washington as early as next month. 'It's big on ideals but maybe not so great on details', said one person familiar with the negotiations.."

Sounds like something they wish to have done quickly and out of public view or discussion...


milo204
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governments always take baby steps with these kinds of initiatives.  So it starts with security, then comes harmonizing regulations (we lose to USregulations) then of course the laws have to be harmonized, then the tax structure.  Then we have to give up health care because it's "anti competition" or something....and as usual, they don't care what people think of it.  Business wants it so they get it.

Just like with climate change legislation, taxes, foreign policy, etc etc etc.


Stargazer
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So soon enough all of our "common consumer products" will be under the control of the bought and paid for FDA.


trippie
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How about the working class of  North America, make their own security agreement, that is based on Socialist ideas. That way, as North American bourgeoisie intigrates itself further, the working class will be ready, to put forth their own concepts.

 

Stop reacting to what they are doing and start thinking of progressive ideas. The working class should already be talking about the United Socialist People of North America.

The bourgeoisie should be following us, not us following them.


bobby boondoggle
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Where the hell are the opposition parities? If we don't get rid of this pyshopath soon we won't have a country left!


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bobby boondoggle wrote:

Where the hell are the opposition parities? If we don't get rid of this pyshopath soon we won't have a country left!

NDPP

As should be obvious after NATO and Afghanistan - the 'opposition' doesn't oppose the empire

John Ivison: Maude Barlow Decries The Loss of Canadian Sovereignty Part 3,427

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/12/10/john-ivison-canada-u-s-tr...

"Yet if this deal is not negotiated well, we may inherit the worst of all worlds - a border that remains 'thick' with security apparatus, as well as increased American presence in Canada's north. One person familiar with the US security demands said he is skeptical that the huge border infrastructure the US Department of Homeland Security has built up along the 49th parallel will be slimmed down in response to any deal.

He said there are also legitimate fears that the US will be unwilling to bet Canada alone police the northern perimiter of the continent. 'The Americans want concentric rings of security,' he said."

Border Security: Let Canadians In On the Deal

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/904872--border-securit...

"Now Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government is cooking up yet another pact with Washington - a so-called 'perimeter security agreement' to further tighten the ties that bind. Unlike the controversial security and Prosperity Parnership that faded into oblivion last year, this bit of continental integration has life in it..."


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milo204 wrote:
governments always take baby steps with these kinds of initiatives.  So it starts with security, then comes harmonizing regulations (we lose to USregulations) then of course the laws have to be harmonized, then the tax structure.  Then we have to give up health care because it's "anti competition" or something....and as usual, they don't care what people think of it.  Business wants it so they get it.

Just like with climate change legislation, taxes, foreign policy, etc etc etc.

It's exactly like the Security Prosperity Partnership negotiated under the Bush Administration. The SPP was all of these agenda items bundled together. What Obama has done is to keep the agenda but break it up, as you said. So first, the "security" component comes in. Then regulations, and it keeps going.

Incidentally, the whole SPP implementation was originally supposed to be complete this calendar year.


Buddy Kat
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The man is a traitor to Canada..now turning Canada into a "Prison State"...and what? He has support of Canadains?...Either Canadains are the most ignorant people on the planet or the most demented  to allow this to happen. Can't canadains fathom that whatever the US touchs turns to garbage...wtf is wrong with them? wtf is wrong with our media?


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We have already harmonized most of our labour laws etc with the "average" US state.  We are not quite to the level to the right to work states in stripping workers of any rights but that is the clear direction.

The only difference this will make for the average Canadian is now the US enforcement agencies will be able to act more openly.  IMO the Empire's War on Drugs is coming north of the border in the guise of this security agreement.  We already have various of the drug enforcement agencies working inside BC on a limited basis so if the door is kicked open look soon to Canadian citizens being chased by American agencies operating in Canada.  

All the security of the empire with no vote for President. I love this 21st century democracy.  


Buddy Kat
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Now they have Cannon on the tube trumping up the perimeter as something similiar to free trade...saying with free trade we got a billion $'s  , totally ignoring the many billions lost because of it. Yep the conservative's have Canadians trained like little seals bobbing there heads up and down....traitors the whole lot!

Canadians doing nothing while their country is annexed , simply and morally destructive..shame on the conservatives and their mouthpiece  media outets.


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bobby boondoggle wrote:

Where the hell are the opposition parities? If we don't get rid of this pyshopath soon we won't have a country left!

Why are you pretending we still do?

This is the last step. The end of Canada as a nation. The completion of our transition to abject banana republic, under the aegis of the American Empire.

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I think we have to realize that Canada is not immortal; but, if it is going to go, let it go with a bang rather than a whimper.

it is sadder than Trudeau could imagine. Canada is gone - without so much as a whimper.


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if it's any consolation, there's still time for some whimpering, and,at least for most, they will have died in their national sleeps...


trippie
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The working class in Canada, the USA and Mexico should be united on this one. We need to make our own rules and put forward our on propositions.

 

the United Socialist Peoples of North America, sounds like a catchy new name.


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For the average Canadian, this is the wrong time to be hitching our wagon to the USA. That great [and criminal] empire may be coming to an end sometime soon.

  The economic upheavals are only beginning to show, there is more to come... the US Dollar hedgemony is being threatened, the great Ponzi scheme of western economics is about to collapse, and the primary asset of the US economy is fossil fuels and there are several sound reasons to end the age of oil as our primary energy source.

  Canada doesn't need to hitch onto any wagon. We will endure the coming storms better than most nations will. PM Harper is simply doing the bidding of the US powers.


trippie
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I have no affiliation to a any Bourgeois country, other then the ones they imposed on me and I need to survive, in the world they control.

 

The Working class, that are segregated by borders, erected and enforced by the bourgeoisie, should do everything they can to bring them down.

 

Wither you like it or not, the bourgeoisie will be looking to save their capitalist system and look for profits. They will do this by working more collaboratively. So either you start to take precautions or you get trampeled on.


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Landmark Trade Deal Expected From Obama, Harper Meeting

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/Landmark+trade+deal+expected+fro...

"Prime Minister Stephen Harper will visit President Barack Obama in Washington on Friday and the expectation is that the two leaders will sign a landmark security and trade deal designed to speed the flow of goods and people across the border. Mr Harper said his government is intent on restoring 'the special bilateral relationship' with the US.."

like taking candy from a baby...this isn't good folks. Your interests are NOT being represented here...


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Maybe he's going there to say " In light of the fact that any country the USA touches turns to garbage just like Iraq being a case in point or more recently Egypt, you can take your perimeter idea and shove it where the ...."

At this point if Canadians can't fathom how treacherous Harper is, turning us into a US prison state then fuck'em they truly deserve what they get. Actually anyone that votes conservative is a traitor to this country there are so many agreements made that serve US interests rather than Canadian that are militarily based it's not funny.

Opps I keep forgetting tho it's the old people of this country that are the problem..as the young don't have a say...just wait till conservatives demand the thumbs of all Canadians for there data banks for a US agreement..have fun with yer little iopods and video games then Canuck....

 

 


humanity4all
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Harper is going to us because "Canada supports israel at any cost".


Sean in Ottawa
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The direction we are going in is very clear but in fairness it was predicted way back before 9-11 -- back in 1987 during the Free Trade Debate.

Having more trade with the US, the Conservatives of the time said, will bring us added prosperity. And, if you believe the bean counters of the time it did in at least some respects. But there was a price, and that was in order to get a bit more from the US relationship we gave up our attention elsewhere. We became more dependent.

The US has different interests than Canada and some of those are security. In exchange for its global empire, it also has a different threat level than most other countries. Yes, you could argue that the US is paranoid but as they say, even paranoids have enemies. In fact, paranoids become so obnoxious that they gather more enemies than others do. Without getting in to long explanations and debates about the US responsibility in all this, there are many that wish them harm and they do have real and present security threats. And ultimately you are either with them or against them, certainly in their perspective and rhetoric but that polarization also makes some of that a reality.

So back to the Canadian reality. Canada, having tied itself to the US is facing very limited and difficult choices. The US is attaching new conditions to the benefits of the relationship-- one that has never been between equals except in the fantasies of the most optimistic Canadians. Those new conditions are not negotiable because they are bottom line "security" demands from our rather paranoid neighbour that actually does have enemies. As those demands escalate they bind us closer increasing our dependence while at the same time driving us further from our other alternatives.

We get to 2011 and the security perimeter and then suddenly some Canadians are surprised by the realization that in order for any access to this behemoth we have come to depend on, we will have to give up very significant key elements of national independence: immigration, security, military purchases, integration. Immigration is a fundamental characteristic of sovereignty (ask any Quebec official or even any tenant or homeowner), it is the ability to choose who you invite in your home and who you don't. No country can claim to be independent after giving that up.

So it seems that the predictions of the anti-Free Trade forces (who had the support of a majority of Canadians but in our twisted FPTP system managed to lose) are in fact coming to pass. The most dire, extreme statements even anti-free trade activists wanted not to believe, are true. The level of integration in the relationship and the highly managed and codified arrangement (not free trade at all) is so deep that extrication is a difficult option.

Now Canada is faced with a difficult choice:

1) Further integration with the eventual complete loss of sovereignty in any meaningful way (Canada will continue to be an independent country in name but only that). Every head of power economic, security, taxation, social policy will be integrated with the exception that we will never get a vote where the real power is held. A true colony once again.

2) Independence can still be accomplished. The cost would be to seriously damage our economy and everyone would pay a price. Those who are wealthy will lose business opportunities and a tremendous amount of their wealth and the vast majority who are not will lose most social services as our standard of living collapses. Eventually, with the resources Canada has, assuming the US does not retake them by military force, we could rebuild relationships with the outside world and recover to a good standard of living likely within 2 generations.

I guess for those concerned about the second option. It will not happen. Those who are wealthy control enough of our political life and there is more than enough propaganda to tell people there is no choice other than integration. The wealthiest do just fine in a colony and they control enough that a colony is what we shall be. Perhaps we can look at emancipation in a couple generations.

For those who are not wealthy this will be a rough ride for a couple generations no matter what. Best advice is do what you can to build the best advantages for your children because this is a class society and if your kids cannot start with advantages their lives are screwed. It might be good to also try to keep the seeds of any Canadian democratic ideas alive in the culture as much as possible in the hope they may be resurrected one day. Even a century of dictatorship does not wipe everything.

On the other hand if anyone in your family have European connections and possible EU citizenship consider that this is the next generation's free world-- even as they are under attack from radical capitalists they are fighting and likely will retain some shreds of democracy and social equality.

People will have to take a long view of Canada in order to be optimistic about this country socially.

Of course in the meantime there will be lots of money to be made for the richest 2% or so... It will be their golden years.


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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

So it seems that the predictions of the anti-Free Trade forces (who had the support of a majority of Canadians but in our twisted FPTP system managed to lose) are in fact coming to pass. The most dire, extreme statements even anti-free trade activists wanted not to believe, are true. The level of integration in the relationship and the highly managed and codified arrangement (not free trade at all) is so deep that extrication is a difficult option.

 

I fought that fight and I was told by many that my ideas that we would inevitably be forced to harmonize our laws to fit with American business and environmental regulations were off the wall.  The deal did not say any such thing. Even I only argued the inevitability of an totally integrated economy and did not predict our descent into a police state colony while are economy is turned into a combinations of providing tar sands oil for America and building war machines for "our" military.


Sean in Ottawa
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Sorry for such a bleak outlook -- can anyone challenge it and improve my day?


Buddy Kat
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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Sorry for such a bleak outlook -- can anyone challenge it and improve my day?

I agree with most of what you say..but there is an edge the public has now that they didn't have years ago , and that is the internet. For the first time in recent if not recorded history both left and right are on a somewhat equal footing because of the internet.

The greater than 65 yearold that used to be the "don't trust anyone over thirty crowd" are brainwashed and easily manipulated by right wing media ..they vote conservative. The rest don't care and haven't suffered enough to vote. It's coming tho ..the suffering created by electing conservatives will happen and thanks to the net all things cons and libs have done will be exposed like never before. It's really I think going to be a heyday for the NDP coming in the future...< 20 years ..faster if these conservative geezers quit milking Tommy D's medi system into keeping themselves alive.

Things to look out for tho are laws created by cons and libs to not allow people over a certain age to vote.....works now to have demented and senile old brainwashed easily led down the garden path voters when they are conservative and liberal prone...Whats going to happen when the geezers are NDP prone (the baby boom cometh)...What has to happen now is the documenting of all the criminal and traitorous movements of liberals and conservatives for when people are ready to view and hear what has been going on behind there backs while they were playing there video games and watching captain kangaroo, Harry Potter and going to Disney land.

Already it's being proved in spades that the USA is a pariah nation and will get whats coming to them sometime...Canada will witness it and pretty well see how it unfolded right before there eyes on the internet...it's coming ..hang in there for another 20 years is all.

 

The simple fact that we can say pretty well what we want and express or disgust over something without having a newspaper editor cut, twist and spin the facts is a godsend or have TV stations edit out and spin things in there favour is great also. The internet is going to be the best friend the left will ever have. I wouldn't be surprised tho if the cons and right figure out ways to control it....they are heavy on controlling the message..they know how gullible people are...just look at the polls.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkM5eyN8ytI&feature=user


alan smithee
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When Joe 'Ferret Face' Lieberman speaks,the megalomaniacs of the Harper regime listen....(Everyone else laughs)


Fidel
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Tories accused of secrecy on border-security deal with U.S.

Secrecy? Not our transparent and accountable Tories?!


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