Stephen Harper's Conservatives Are Negotiating A Perimeter Security Agreement with the US..
Canada Negotiating Perimeter Security Deal with US
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canada-negotiating-perimete...
"Stephen Harper's Conservatives are negotiating a perimeter security agreement with the United States:
'We intend to work together to defend and protect the land, maritime, air and cyberspace domains of both the United States and Canada and to enhance the security of our integrated transportation and communications networks,' says a draft version of a declaration on a possible deal obtained by the Globe and Mail..'
This will be yet another 'agreement with consent' to further massive US penetration and control of Canada's security state. This and the security agreement with Israel are significant developments in the national security state and its linkage to greater imperial surveillance power and control
I remember reading years ago that this was part of the long range plan formulated by the CCCE and the Independent Task Force on the Future of North America. See here. And here it is.
Yikes!
Hmm so how long does it take for this to slide into a lessening of our labour laws, quality(CSA) standards, human rights legislation, and having to carry ID on our persons having to show them to the merest whisper of a 'request' from the law?
All to 'merge' our system to theirs? And an agreement for Mexico which Im guessing means the american army/police and criss cross the border if they want to in order to get someone or 'keep the peace'
Not to worry fromer malroney minister turned tobacco lobbyist say that bribing the government to do things not in the interests of canadians is pretty easy.
I protest. The title implies negotiation and not capitulation. It's one thing to abdicate resonsibility and another to do it under duress. The one is stupid and the second is rape. Legally there is a distinction but hard to prove. I would hope that the failing empire down south's faults can be soon removed with a stroke of the pen just as they have stolen our rights from the PMO office.
Suivant,
Free Marc Emory and Leonard Peltier et al.
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Held in cages with no rights for the crime of defending the children.
Tories to Announce Deal Forming North America 'perimeter' by John Ivison
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Conservatives+announce+border+security+...
"Sources suggested that Prime Minister Stephen Harper and President Barack Obama will sign the broad-ranging agreement in Washington as early as next month. 'It's big on ideals but maybe not so great on details', said one person familiar with the negotiations.."
Sounds like something they wish to have done quickly and out of public view or discussion...
governments always take baby steps with these kinds of initiatives. So it starts with security, then comes harmonizing regulations (we lose to USregulations) then of course the laws have to be harmonized, then the tax structure. Then we have to give up health care because it's "anti competition" or something....and as usual, they don't care what people think of it. Business wants it so they get it.
Just like with climate change legislation, taxes, foreign policy, etc etc etc.
So soon enough all of our "common consumer products" will be under the control of the bought and paid for FDA.
How about the working class of North America, make their own security agreement, that is based on Socialist ideas. That way, as North American bourgeoisie intigrates itself further, the working class will be ready, to put forth their own concepts.
Stop reacting to what they are doing and start thinking of progressive ideas. The working class should already be talking about the United Socialist People of North America.
The bourgeoisie should be following us, not us following them.
Where the hell are the opposition parities? If we don't get rid of this pyshopath soon we won't have a country left!
Where the hell are the opposition parities? If we don't get rid of this pyshopath soon we won't have a country left!
As should be obvious after NATO and Afghanistan - the 'opposition' doesn't oppose the empire
John Ivison: Maude Barlow Decries The Loss of Canadian Sovereignty Part 3,427
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/12/10/john-ivison-canada-u-s-tr...
"Yet if this deal is not negotiated well, we may inherit the worst of all worlds - a border that remains 'thick' with security apparatus, as well as increased American presence in Canada's north. One person familiar with the US security demands said he is skeptical that the huge border infrastructure the US Department of Homeland Security has built up along the 49th parallel will be slimmed down in response to any deal.
He said there are also legitimate fears that the US will be unwilling to bet Canada alone police the northern perimiter of the continent. 'The Americans want concentric rings of security,' he said."
Border Security: Let Canadians In On the Deal
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/904872--border-securit...
"Now Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government is cooking up yet another pact with Washington - a so-called 'perimeter security agreement' to further tighten the ties that bind. Unlike the controversial security and Prosperity Parnership that faded into oblivion last year, this bit of continental integration has life in it..."
Just like with climate change legislation, taxes, foreign policy, etc etc etc.
It's exactly like the Security Prosperity Partnership negotiated under the Bush Administration. The SPP was all of these agenda items bundled together. What Obama has done is to keep the agenda but break it up, as you said. So first, the "security" component comes in. Then regulations, and it keeps going.
Incidentally, the whole SPP implementation was originally supposed to be complete this calendar year.
The man is a traitor to Canada..now turning Canada into a "Prison State"...and what? He has support of Canadains?...Either Canadains are the most ignorant people on the planet or the most demented to allow this to happen. Can't canadains fathom that whatever the US touchs turns to garbage...wtf is wrong with them? wtf is wrong with our media?
We have already harmonized most of our labour laws etc with the "average" US state. We are not quite to the level to the right to work states in stripping workers of any rights but that is the clear direction.
The only difference this will make for the average Canadian is now the US enforcement agencies will be able to act more openly. IMO the Empire's War on Drugs is coming north of the border in the guise of this security agreement. We already have various of the drug enforcement agencies working inside BC on a limited basis so if the door is kicked open look soon to Canadian citizens being chased by American agencies operating in Canada.
All the security of the empire with no vote for President. I love this 21st century democracy.
Now they have Cannon on the tube trumping up the perimeter as something similiar to free trade...saying with free trade we got a billion $'s , totally ignoring the many billions lost because of it. Yep the conservative's have Canadians trained like little seals bobbing there heads up and down....traitors the whole lot!
Canadians doing nothing while their country is annexed , simply and morally destructive..shame on the conservatives and their mouthpiece media outets.
Where the hell are the opposition parities? If we don't get rid of this pyshopath soon we won't have a country left!
Why are you pretending we still do?
This is the last step. The end of Canada as a nation. The completion of our transition to abject banana republic, under the aegis of the American Empire.
it is sadder than Trudeau could imagine. Canada is gone - without so much as a whimper.
if it's any consolation, there's still time for some whimpering, and,at least for most, they will have died in their national sleeps...
The working class in Canada, the USA and Mexico should be united on this one. We need to make our own rules and put forward our on propositions.
the United Socialist Peoples of North America, sounds like a catchy new name.
For the average Canadian, this is the wrong time to be hitching our wagon to the USA. That great [and criminal] empire may be coming to an end sometime soon.
The economic upheavals are only beginning to show, there is more to come... the US Dollar hedgemony is being threatened, the great Ponzi scheme of western economics is about to collapse, and the primary asset of the US economy is fossil fuels and there are several sound reasons to end the age of oil as our primary energy source.
Canada doesn't need to hitch onto any wagon. We will endure the coming storms better than most nations will. PM Harper is simply doing the bidding of the US powers.
I have no affiliation to a any Bourgeois country, other then the ones they imposed on me and I need to survive, in the world they control.
The Working class, that are segregated by borders, erected and enforced by the bourgeoisie, should do everything they can to bring them down.
Wither you like it or not, the bourgeoisie will be looking to save their capitalist system and look for profits. They will do this by working more collaboratively. So either you start to take precautions or you get trampeled on.
Landmark Trade Deal Expected From Obama, Harper Meeting
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/Landmark+trade+deal+expected+fro...
"Prime Minister Stephen Harper will visit President Barack Obama in Washington on Friday and the expectation is that the two leaders will sign a landmark security and trade deal designed to speed the flow of goods and people across the border. Mr Harper said his government is intent on restoring 'the special bilateral relationship' with the US.."
like taking candy from a baby...this isn't good folks. Your interests are NOT being represented here...
Maybe he's going there to say " In light of the fact that any country the USA touches turns to garbage just like Iraq being a case in point or more recently Egypt, you can take your perimeter idea and shove it where the ...."
At this point if Canadians can't fathom how treacherous Harper is, turning us into a US prison state then fuck'em they truly deserve what they get. Actually anyone that votes conservative is a traitor to this country there are so many agreements made that serve US interests rather than Canadian that are militarily based it's not funny.
Opps I keep forgetting tho it's the old people of this country that are the problem..as the young don't have a say...just wait till conservatives demand the thumbs of all Canadians for there data banks for a US agreement..have fun with yer little iopods and video games then Canuck....
Harper is going to us because "Canada supports israel at any cost".
The direction we are going in is very clear but in fairness it was predicted way back before 9-11 -- back in 1987 during the Free Trade Debate.
Having more trade with the US, the Conservatives of the time said, will bring us added prosperity. And, if you believe the bean counters of the time it did in at least some respects. But there was a price, and that was in order to get a bit more from the US relationship we gave up our attention elsewhere. We became more dependent.
The US has different interests than Canada and some of those are security. In exchange for its global empire, it also has a different threat level than most other countries. Yes, you could argue that the US is paranoid but as they say, even paranoids have enemies. In fact, paranoids become so obnoxious that they gather more enemies than others do. Without getting in to long explanations and debates about the US responsibility in all this, there are many that wish them harm and they do have real and present security threats. And ultimately you are either with them or against them, certainly in their perspective and rhetoric but that polarization also makes some of that a reality.
So back to the Canadian reality. Canada, having tied itself to the US is facing very limited and difficult choices. The US is attaching new conditions to the benefits of the relationship-- one that has never been between equals except in the fantasies of the most optimistic Canadians. Those new conditions are not negotiable because they are bottom line "security" demands from our rather paranoid neighbour that actually does have enemies. As those demands escalate they bind us closer increasing our dependence while at the same time driving us further from our other alternatives.
We get to 2011 and the security perimeter and then suddenly some Canadians are surprised by the realization that in order for any access to this behemoth we have come to depend on, we will have to give up very significant key elements of national independence: immigration, security, military purchases, integration. Immigration is a fundamental characteristic of sovereignty (ask any Quebec official or even any tenant or homeowner), it is the ability to choose who you invite in your home and who you don't. No country can claim to be independent after giving that up.
So it seems that the predictions of the anti-Free Trade forces (who had the support of a majority of Canadians but in our twisted FPTP system managed to lose) are in fact coming to pass. The most dire, extreme statements even anti-free trade activists wanted not to believe, are true. The level of integration in the relationship and the highly managed and codified arrangement (not free trade at all) is so deep that extrication is a difficult option.
Now Canada is faced with a difficult choice:
1) Further integration with the eventual complete loss of sovereignty in any meaningful way (Canada will continue to be an independent country in name but only that). Every head of power economic, security, taxation, social policy will be integrated with the exception that we will never get a vote where the real power is held. A true colony once again.
2) Independence can still be accomplished. The cost would be to seriously damage our economy and everyone would pay a price. Those who are wealthy will lose business opportunities and a tremendous amount of their wealth and the vast majority who are not will lose most social services as our standard of living collapses. Eventually, with the resources Canada has, assuming the US does not retake them by military force, we could rebuild relationships with the outside world and recover to a good standard of living likely within 2 generations.
I guess for those concerned about the second option. It will not happen. Those who are wealthy control enough of our political life and there is more than enough propaganda to tell people there is no choice other than integration. The wealthiest do just fine in a colony and they control enough that a colony is what we shall be. Perhaps we can look at emancipation in a couple generations.
For those who are not wealthy this will be a rough ride for a couple generations no matter what. Best advice is do what you can to build the best advantages for your children because this is a class society and if your kids cannot start with advantages their lives are screwed. It might be good to also try to keep the seeds of any Canadian democratic ideas alive in the culture as much as possible in the hope they may be resurrected one day. Even a century of dictatorship does not wipe everything.
On the other hand if anyone in your family have European connections and possible EU citizenship consider that this is the next generation's free world-- even as they are under attack from radical capitalists they are fighting and likely will retain some shreds of democracy and social equality.
People will have to take a long view of Canada in order to be optimistic about this country socially.
Of course in the meantime there will be lots of money to be made for the richest 2% or so... It will be their golden years.
So it seems that the predictions of the anti-Free Trade forces (who had the support of a majority of Canadians but in our twisted FPTP system managed to lose) are in fact coming to pass. The most dire, extreme statements even anti-free trade activists wanted not to believe, are true. The level of integration in the relationship and the highly managed and codified arrangement (not free trade at all) is so deep that extrication is a difficult option.
I fought that fight and I was told by many that my ideas that we would inevitably be forced to harmonize our laws to fit with American business and environmental regulations were off the wall. The deal did not say any such thing. Even I only argued the inevitability of an totally integrated economy and did not predict our descent into a police state colony while are economy is turned into a combinations of providing tar sands oil for America and building war machines for "our" military.
Sorry for such a bleak outlook -- can anyone challenge it and improve my day?
Sorry for such a bleak outlook -- can anyone challenge it and improve my day?
The greater than 65 yearold that used to be the "don't trust anyone over thirty crowd" are brainwashed and easily manipulated by right wing media ..they vote conservative. The rest don't care and haven't suffered enough to vote. It's coming tho ..the suffering created by electing conservatives will happen and thanks to the net all things cons and libs have done will be exposed like never before. It's really I think going to be a heyday for the NDP coming in the future...< 20 years ..faster if these conservative geezers quit milking Tommy D's medi system into keeping themselves alive.
Things to look out for tho are laws created by cons and libs to not allow people over a certain age to vote.....works now to have demented and senile old brainwashed easily led down the garden path voters when they are conservative and liberal prone...Whats going to happen when the geezers are NDP prone (the baby boom cometh)...What has to happen now is the documenting of all the criminal and traitorous movements of liberals and conservatives for when people are ready to view and hear what has been going on behind there backs while they were playing there video games and watching captain kangaroo, Harry Potter and going to Disney land.
Already it's being proved in spades that the USA is a pariah nation and will get whats coming to them sometime...Canada will witness it and pretty well see how it unfolded right before there eyes on the internet...it's coming ..hang in there for another 20 years is all.
The simple fact that we can say pretty well what we want and express or disgust over something without having a newspaper editor cut, twist and spin the facts is a godsend or have TV stations edit out and spin things in there favour is great also. The internet is going to be the best friend the left will ever have. I wouldn't be surprised tho if the cons and right figure out ways to control it....they are heavy on controlling the message..they know how gullible people are...just look at the polls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkM5eyN8ytI&feature=user
When Joe 'Ferret Face' Lieberman speaks,the megalomaniacs of the Harper regime listen....(Everyone else laughs)
Tories accused of secrecy on border-security deal with U.S.
Secrecy? Not our transparent and accountable Tories?!
"The Liberals, who when in government signed a security co-operation agreement with the United States, were careful not to condemn outright the talks themselves - but only to raise concern about the process."
A lot of these treacherous agreements have been seeded by the Liberals....more proof that the lib/con are one of the same playing each other off on the Canadian public (good cop-bad cop)...how much proof does the Canadian need? Just paving the road for each to follow...Do Canadians look dumb or what?
I would bet that if the NDP became a real threat to these right wing conmen that the talk would be about a lib/con coalition.
I would bet that if the NDP became a real threat to these right wing conmen that the talk would be about a lib/con coalition.
Indeed that has been the case in the provinces where the NDP and/or CCF have been near or in power. It doesn't matter how business friendly the NDP tries to be it will always be the good capitalist system against the evil socialists. In BC the party abandoned socialism at least a generation ago but that is still the MSM's take on the party. It works well because in BC and Sask and Man we now have a choice between business friendly "social democratic" governments and right wing attack dogs. It seems the only guaranteed winners in the system are once again the business owners.
Sean,
Don't fight the inevitable joining of the Working Class in North America. Take precautions, making sure that a Socialist joining takes place before the Capitalist impose their will on us.
Border Security Talks Politically Dicey for PM
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Border+security+talks+politically+dicey...
"Their discussions are expected to deal with a plan to 'take economic integration between Canada and the US to the next level', reports former Canadian diplomat Colin Robertson, Vice President of the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute."
Conservatives are known for their butt kissing of yankee ass..they did it with the arrow ..almost did it with MDA satellite technology and they basically hand the baby out with the bath water when it comes to economics. Those rat bastard conservative supporters agree with this stupidity and support it .
What I find really disturbing is now were talking annexing a country with anothers military ..like a blockade…using border security and the economy as an excuse. Face it ..it’s treason and any conservative that supports this bullshit is a “Benedict Arnold’ traitor to there country…killing little kids in Afghanistan isn’t good enough ass kissing for the conservative they have to take the whole country down with them. Totally and utterly disgraceful that the supporters of this treacherous party don’t give a shit about their own country like that. Isn’t it?
That sounds like the same approx. time that the neoliberal voodoo was introduced to federal politics and gradually led to millions of Canadians abandoning faith in our electoral system by the late 1990s. The NDP had socialist policies when the voodoo seemed to be working. The phony majority turned their backs on socialist parties and went with the busines friendly parties. And now look where it's gotten us - three decades three recessions.
The NDP's not talking socialism today because the goal posts have been altered. Now we're talking basic democracy in Canada and how to achieve it. Neoliberal ideology is inherently undemocratic, and that's the problem today not whether the NDP has abandoned anything.
All hail the social democratic ideal as constantly presented by a person who has a revolutionary's handle.
Rah Rah NDP Rah Rah NDP There Fidel is that good enough for you this morning.
Tell me Fidel have you ever worked on a winning NDP campaign?
I'm guessing that the Lieberman/CPC border security plan will involve a fence,barbed wire and/or razor wire and military personnel armed with m-16's...It'll probably also give the chance of using those new fighter jets to sweep around border towns and more power will be given to enforcement to search,seize and detain citizens and property without warrant or cause(although I believe the latter is already practiced).
But I'm sure this type of security will not affect Americans crossing the Canadian border.
Canadians are overwhelmingly against Deep Integration
The media has Canadians thinking it's just the southern border of Canada that is affected, when it is the entire north, south east and west...This is what we get for supplying oil...the same kind of crap they pull off on the middle east to secure their share is coming to Canada now. Soon the USA will dictate and control what is and what is not allowed in Canada.
This should be an election issue for the NDP ..the libs and cons have no foot to stand on regarding this deception. If Canadians want to throw their country down the drain they should at least have the opportunity to vote for it...or bring the truth to light., this is a lot more than paranoid Americans thinking terrorists come from Canada...another lie...this is dangerous if you think about it, because they create and believe lies...lies that have killed 100's of thousands of innocent people..you want these killers dictating to you?
Don't get me wrong ..I believe in a strong border also...but defended by Canada, not by the number one proliferation of terror and lies in the world. A nice strong border with a nice big fence with machine gun nests and all kinds of deterrents to keep Americans out of Canada when they come running in masse, from future biological attacks etc. That's what Canada should be looking at not kiss ass US politics...what a disgraceful bunch the conservatives are.
Funny how modern technology is heading and developing unmanned killing machines (drones) that are efficient and Canada wants to play fighter jet hand me downs...and the best drone technology is Canadian..some thing stinks there also...my guess another conservative arrow mess where Canada is TOLD to hand over drone technology to the US for reversing etc. and Canada is placed on the BUY crap fighters list.
Canada Negotiating Perimeter Security Deal with US
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canada-negotiating-perimete...
"Stephen Harper's Conservatives are negotiating a perimeter security agreement with the United States:
'We intend to work together to defend and protect the land, maritime, air and cyberspace domains of both the United States and Canada and to enhance the security of our integrated transportation and communications networks,' says a draft version of a declaration on a possible deal obtained by the Globe and Mail..'
This will be yet another 'agreement with consent' to further massive US penetration and control of Canada's security state. This and the security agreement with Israel are significant developments in the national security state and its linkage to greater imperial surveillance power and control
On the one hand, I'm all for anything that expands the people's freedom of mobility, and Canada further economic integration with the US seems to me, at least in princple based on what I know of it, to be a good thing.
Based on the same principle though, the idea of a security perimeter seems like a bad thing. It sounds like a trade off between further opening our borders to the US in exchange for closin them off to the rest of the world. It's a little like the kid being forced to choose between two friends.
I would say Canada should offer a more open border to the US on the condition that the US not impose closed borders between Canada and the rest of the world. We should make it a 'take-it-or-leave-it' proposal with no time limit, willing to welcome the US into this new agreement whenever the US is prepared to accept it. Sure it might never accept it, but then no one could blame Canada for not trying to open up to the US, but rather for the US for trying to force Canada to close its borders to the rest of the world.
Not a very good trade off in my opinion.
The Integration of Canada and the USA: 'The Security Perimeter'
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23109
"A North American security perimeter would be defined and dominated by US interests. It would force Canada to make significant sacrifices in regards to sovereignty which could dramatically change the country forever.."
Security Perimeter: Harper government’s Big Lie to Canadians… and Americans
Just as colonial elites of Europe sought to fool the First Nations of Canada, and the United States with “treaties” with no legal integrity, the descendants of those elites have sought to hatch a similar scam.
It is apparent to borrow words of the First Nations, that these leaders and their operatives “are speaking with forked tongues”.
When Stephen Harper and Barack Obama refer to “common security border arrangements” they actually mean ‘NO BORDER’.
There would no longer be an international boundary between the United States and Canada, if the United States government through Homeland Security effectively controlled the Canadian border, along with national security arrangements and the oversight of the implementation of domestic laws including those on privacy.
The Harper government is selling-out the complete package of the remainder on Canadian sovereignty, while having the audacity to claim the Agreement they pursue with the American president, “has nothing to do with sovereignty”.
The Harper government’s claim according as defined by the Canadian Criminal Code, is nothing short of ‘treason’.
Wikipedia notes than in Oran’s Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as “…[a]…citizen’s actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation].”
The Big Lie.
Hebert; Perimeter Issue Could Split Liberals
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/934181--hebert-perimeter-issu...
"Prime Minister Stephen Harper's decision to move Canada towards a new continental security perimeter will divide the federal Liberals and make it harder for the NDP to ensure the survival of the Conservative minority government when the budget comes down next month.."
ACTION ALERT: Say no to North American perimeter security!
Herbert's ass is sucking wind in that article. It would be, and has been, the Liberals who have helped Harper survive, just as a split amongst their ranks, or alleged split I should say, will ensure the Liberals support them yet again.
Wonderful political cartoon in the local rag today. A tiny beaver, sitting on a finger of a really mean-looking Uncle Sam is singing his heart out: "We stand on guard for thee," and Uncle Sam is demanding the beaver sing "louder."
But I don't believe it's going to have a larger impact than the Canada-European Union Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement. Each, in its own way, means we're fu..ed, in terms of sovereignty...the ability to choose. I just hope the cost of fuel will rise quickly enough to screw all the Globalization planners and their business plans. Canadian grown turnips, parsnips and potatoes were good enough for old Uncle Vic, and by damn, I'll eat my share of them come winter.
That Tory opinionator who called me the other day from Ottawa didn't say anything aboot perimeter security. No, her question was, what do I think of the gun registry, and would I consider voting Tory? Apparently they don't want to know what I think about them erasing the border behind our backs. It's funny but in a strange kind of way.
That were no opinionator, Mr. interlocutor, that were a Conservative hack. Tories went out with Bob Stanfield. See Geoffrey Stevens bio on Dalton Camp to see why one should not confuse the two. There was a historical break with decency.
Canada Kept US Border Talks Under Wraps: Documents
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/934675--canada-kept-border-se...
"The federal government deliberately kept negotiations on a border deal with Washington secret while it planned ways to massage public opinion in favour of the pact, according to a confidential communications strategy.
On Friday, Harper and Obama signed off on a plan that for the first time envisions throwing up a single security ring around the perimeter of Canada and the US. The wide-ranging blueprint calls for increased cooperation between the two countries' police, border and intelligence agencies, an integrated Canada-US exit-entry system using high-tech indentification techniques and more sharing of information about Canadians with US authorities.."
The Commons: The Prime Minister Does Not Deign to Explain
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/02/08/the-commons-the-prime-minister-does-n...
"The reality is this,' Mr Harper continued, rejecting Mr Ignatieff's reality and asserting his own. 'Perhaps the Leader of the Opposition missed it. The anti-free trade bandwagon left the stage a long time ago."
Homeland Insecurity
http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/warren_kinsella/2011/02/07/1...
"Harper's open border deal with US could trade away our privacy.."
Poll Suggests Canadians Overwhelmingly Favour Integrated Border with the US
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/poll-suggests-canadians-ov...
"Canadians overwhelmingly favour cooperating with the United States to increase border security and ease obstacles to cross border trade, a new poll suggests. The Canadian Press Harris Decima survey found that 75 percent of respondents supported shared intelligence gathering. But thus far at least, the poll suggests Canadians don't share concerns of the opposition parties about a possible erosion of Canada's sovereignty or a potential invasion of privacy.."
so why am I not reassurred by this?
Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/obama-creates-worlds-first-superstate-wit...
"In a shocking coup d'etat said to rival Nazi Germany's 1938 Anschluss of the Austrian Republic, the United States this past week effectively took control of Canada creating what is being called by Russian diplomatic officials as the world's first 21st century 'Superstate'...The shock and uproar in Canada over their Prime Minister, Stephen Harper signing away their sovereignty to the United States is unprecedented.."
the farfetched and over the top version - especially the 'shock and uproar in Canada' part...
John Ivison: NORAD Could Be Expanded To Land and Sea
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/02/11/john-ivison-norad-could-b...
"Sources suggest the North American Perimeter Security talks announced last week will include an intriguing proposal: expanding NORAD to cover land and sea operations. In this scenario, Canadian and US navies and land forces would integrate their command structures headquarters and operations when it comes to continental security..."
Senator Hugh Segal Advocates Closer North American Community
http://www.canada.com/news/national/Senator+Hugh+Segal+advocates+closer+...
"Conservatives should make it a 'priority' to advocate for the creation of a 'North American Community' composed of Canada, the United States and Mexico, which could include an 'assembly' of elected representatives from the three nations, says a leading Tory senator..
Segal writes that the 'enlightened institution building' that led to accomplishments such as NATO, NORAD, the Commonwealth and free-trade agreements with the US and Mexico' must not be allowed to grind to a halt because a contagion of self-doubt and insecurity is about to land.
'In fact, this is precisely the time to make the case to the country for a vibrant North American Community."
Hebert: Border Plan Optics Are Less Than Optimal
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/936553--hebert-border-plan-op...
"Two decades later, it looks like Harper can count on the Bloc Quebecois to get his biggest Canada-US initiative off the ground.."
So in the future the province once known as Quebec will have no flag and be known as the "French Quarter"...so much for sovereignty. Alberta is pretty well already the "American quarter"
At some point Canadians will have to wake up.......maybe when "buy americian" kicks in and they are scrounging for there next meal they will wake up...by then it will be to late.
I wouldn't hold my breath Buddy Kat, I think the national sleep is a terminal coma...
I wouldn't hold my breath Buddy Kat, I think the national sleep is a terminal coma...
Lol...this is both funny and disturbing...But the brutal truth.
Senator Hugh Segal Advocates Closer North American Community
http://www.canada.com/news/national/Senator+Hugh+Segal+advocates+closer+...
"Conservatives should make it a 'priority' to advocate for the creation of a 'North American Community' composed of Canada, the United States and Mexico, which could include an 'assembly' of elected representatives from the three nations, says a leading Tory senator..
Segal writes that the 'enlightened institution building' that led to accomplishments such as NATO, NORAD, the Commonwealth and free-trade agreements with the US and Mexico' must not be allowed to grind to a halt because a contagion of self-doubt and insecurity is about to land.
'In fact, this is precisely the time to make the case to the country for a vibrant North American Community."
Very scary commentary.
We could never look like the EU -- the EU has 3 powerful countries (Germany, France and the UK) and many smaller ones-- the smaller ones to have a voice need only ally themselves with one of the very different big three.Not perfect but substantial power. those small countries have at least an effective balance of power in a minority government structure.
The North American version would have just one powerful country and look like a majority structure such that anyone other than the US in that relationship would be irrelevant when it comes to power. It would be nothing less than an empire.
That said, it is therefore understandable that the US would be less likely to consider a legislature giving a vote to Canadians because a series of deals that give the US power are already here and more coming so there is no need to give us a vote at the table -- even one that would be overwealmed by the US. We are a colony pure and simple and Harper has only aspirations to be a governor. Which is fine by him because he has no use for democracy and governors don't need democracy.
I should add -- even the smaller countries in the EU if they all agree and get together they are bigger than the biggest.
Of course in a North American Empire -- the two colonies Mexico and Canada cacn band together and be as collectively irrelevant as they are apart.
The only "American" union that could work would have to include in an EU-type arrangement all the Americas especially Brazil. Only then would there be any counterweight to the US. Even in that case the result would be an arrangment far more lopsided than Europe.
Of course the US would never allow that-- it has the power without having to bother with a democratic insitution that could challenge US power. The US could give us a vote becuase they know we will never be able to challenge it and that would be a nested vote.
By that I mean no open voting between all our citizens and theirs such that we could influence who governs in Washington but a two stage process where the US onyl decides who controls the US and then we run off against Canada where they ovewealm us 10-1. This is not the same as an election where Canadians could side with more Liberal areas of the US (who are as right wing as the most right wing Canadians).
Effectively these arrangments are the next steps on the way to the vision of the new Canada-- actually the old Colonial Canada.
In the last few years we erased all the economic progress of the 20th century centralizing wealth to the degree it was in the 1920s. We are now undoing the political progress that was made since the 1840s. We will be left without responsibile government. We will have elections-- sham elections that mean nothing with forgone conclusions. Our civil rights will be off the table.
And enough Canadians will vote for this hoping for a tax cut.
Well I guess all the tactics of the left, over that last 30 odd years, have turned into one big failure.
On every front the conservatives are winning. They even have Jack Layton begging them not to hold an election and the Union leadership in Toronto telling them they will not go out on strike.
Yup all those years telling us to cooperate with the Liberals, to not be militant, to distancing themselves from basic Socialism language and principles to helping the conservatives take down the Federal Liberals.
We have been beet back and down that at every turn there is a new fight to be had.
Just look at Toronto, the city Union leadership said he would work with Ford and what does Ford do? He turns around ans tells them he is going to privatize everything under the sun.
When the left compromises the Right doesn't and turns your weakness into your ball and chain.
You guys are worried about the intigration of Canada and the USA...haaa, you guys don't even have an answer for saving the jobs of Toronto garbage collecters and can't even stop people from harassing TTC drivers.
Haaa, the more I come here to Rabble and listen to the arguments, the more sadness I feel....
Trippie we can't even stop the winter skies from snowing so why should we bother eh?
@Sean post 61
At what point did I say we should not try?????
Here is the point I'm making. Everything the left has done in Canada to gain power and bring about Socialism has failed. The working class of North America is divided by borders errected to build the bourgeois state. These borders stand in the way of building the world you and I desire. The working class needs to be united.
If the bourgeois are working behind the scenes to unite their capitalims, we should take this opertunity to unite ourselfs as well. It's a waste of your time trying to stop what needs to take place anyways.
Their Capitalist system is in decline and they will do everything to preserve it. Instead of fighting it, we should be mobilizing ourselves and take advantage of it.
They will not stop, they can not stop as that is what the environment dictates to do.
Well it all can be changed with the sinple formation of a national tv media...simple as that. If anything the typical north american has shown us , is that tv manipulation is very real and a potent brainwashing tool. That only certain media giants and tycoons have the abilty to recognize it and exploit it is a detrement to the left.
As far as democratic infiltration etc…here is a good example of media power and democracy…The flag wrapping truly democratic foreign policy of the US regarding investment would require that you invest x amount of dollars in the state and hire x amount of people…when the NDP pulled of this same type of investment model, it was touted as communism and socialism by political and media both…so it doesn’t get any plainer than that.
Who ever controls the media, controls the simpleton voters and that my dear friend is the simple truth and is why only 14-20% of people can see thru it…
We can all scream political science bourgeoisie all we want. When it comes down to it the majority of Canadians are just brain washed simpletons that vote according too TV personality and framing.
If the 3 TV networks ganged upon Harper and his traitorous behaviour they could make mince meat out of the entire conservative party within a week....just like they made mince meat out of the seperatist coalition idea. They even rewarded one of these media personality's with a senate appointment...talk about corrupt and rotten to the core...and getting away with it scott free yet is another testimony to the media gullibility of simpleton Canadians.
Then one wonders WHY not all socilist values haven't been implimented? It'sbecause they are real democratic values..ie NEW democratic values which are promotted as socialist values by media ....you can take your old manipilative so called american values and shove them where the eagles dare fly.
Thanks to the internet real free speech is taking place ..revolts are organized ,governments are being toppled ,truth is being exposed and there is a phoney neocon in fear of the future.....this but just a TASTE of true democratic lefty power. Wait till they are on even footing with the TV networks MUHAHHHHAHA
All this because they are on even footing on the internet...JUST WAIT!!!!
Edited to say…..The internet will facilitate this TV network power by the left for the first time in history…..this is the real reason for caps…pricing…controlling … regulating … interference by the crtc and government…total fear of truth being exposed.
Edited to say…..The internet will facilitate this TV network power by the left for the first time in history…..this is the real reason for caps…pricing…controlling … regulating … interference by the crtc and government…total fear of truth being exposed.
You know,I never thought about that angle...It makes alot sense.
Why else would there be a CRTC (or in the rubber room to the South,the FCC)...Why would there be a concerted effort to cap internet usage?..Or regulate information while DE-regulating corporations,banks and Bay Street?....Etc...etc..
The truth is out,the lies are old
There is much to what you say about the 'media gullibility of brain-washed simpleton Canadians that vote according to TV personality and framing' Buddy Kat. I would only add Murray Dobbin's observation from his 'Harper Autocrat' piece on - "the cynicism of the political operatives who run the Liberals and the NDP..."
Here's Marc Garneau in the Ottawa Citizen today on the deal:
Let's Lose the Inferiority Complex
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/todays-paper/lose+inferiority+complex/...
"the repercussions of going ahead are profound because it may mean surrendering our sovereignty on several fronts. Notwithstanding claims to the contrary, this deal is setting up Canada to be told how it should conduct its security and proceed with respect to people and goods arriving at its borders. This is totally unacceptable because it will boil down to being forced to comply with measures that the United States feels are acceptable to ensure its own security and not the measures we feel are appropriate.
And yes, it is the beginning of a slippery slope that we can only speculate about because the government will continue to do its best to keep Canadians in the dark and controversies under the carpet. Underlying this is the incorrect perception by the current government that Canada's trade with the US will suffer if we don't go along with them. This is wrong and it's time for Canadians to realize that we hold just as many cards as our neighbour does. Canada should be dealing from a position of strength not one of perceived weakness.
As Canadians, we must not surrender our country's sovereignty...I believe most citizens agree with this. We have to make this crystal clear right now."
"the beginning of a slippery slope"?
...more like a step off the precipice.
The internet is a more productive way of communicating.
IT shows that when the borders are taken away and the working class communicate with itself better and counteract their lies.
This is a great example of what I have been saying on this thread.
Do not stop the integration of the working class in North America, encourage it, but drive it in a direction that benefits us.
Tricky Politics For Canada As Junior Partner in International Tie-Ups - by Jeffrey Simpson
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/jeffrey-simpson/tricky-poli...
"The negotiation of a continental perimeter border and security deal with the United States, the proposed merger of the Toronto and London stock exchanges, and the possible free trade and investment treaty with the European Union all dilute Canada's ability to act alone; that is, to exercise its sovereignty. In exchange, in theory, the Canadian economy will benefit. Those who fear change are those generally hostile to or uneasy with transnational capital, whose interests these initiatives are partly or wholly designed to enhance..."
rather more wholly than partly methinks..
US Control of Canadian Border Urged
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/1228163.html
"Move would protect 'beacon of freedom' lawmaker tells hearing. Every inch of the Canadian-US border and the American boundary with Mexico should be under 'operational control' of American border officials, a US lawmaker told a congressional hearing into border security on Tuesday. 'The acceptable level for the American citizen is total control of our southern border, our northern border, our natural ports of entry,' said Republican Jeff Duncan, a South Carolina lawmaker and a member of the House of Representatives Subcommittee on Border and Maritime Security. Such control would allow America to protect 'this beacon of freedom', Duncan said."
http://jeffduncan.house.gov/contact-me/email-me
http://homeland.house.gov/subcommittee-1
Harper will give them this and more - whatever they ask...
They want to control everything because they are moving towards fascism. The working class can only stop it be confronting it head on. Not by avoiding it.
Respect And Work With US On The Global Stage, Cannon Tells U.S. - by Steven Edwards
http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Respect+work+with+global+stage+C...
"Canada should be sensitive to America's global concerns and be prepared to contribute credibly where we can, (while) America needs to respect Canada's ability to both contribute and...find space of our own on the world stage...
I don't feel at all guilty for not pushing human rights, we have been pushing human rights around the world,' Cannon said."
Lawrence Cannon channels Rodney Dangerfield at the CFR..
Critics Call Secret US-Canada Talks 'End Run Around Democracy'
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=54655
"A judicial inquiry into the Arar case called for an independent oversight agency for Canadian national security operations. While the Harper government has refused to go along with this urging, a Canada-US perimetre [agreement] would make such a protection much less likely over the long run.
'With the full integration of most of these agencies into the American counterpart, there will be no practical way to render these agencies, integrated teams [of Americans and Canadians] accountable to any Canadian mechanism,' Roch Taisse, co-ordinator of the International Civil Liberties Monitoring Group told IPS."
clearly this latest, audacious continentalist power-play should be at the center of any election campaign
Form the above article:
"Meanwhile, Michael Byers says the lack of transparency in the Canada-U.S. negotiations represents a deliberate strategy to undermine the ability of anti-free trade and critics of globalisation to marshal effective public campaigns against their latest effort."
You don't need to mount a campaign on this side of the border. It needs to be done on the US side.
From the same article:
"I understand that these are national decisions on both sides of the line. And we're each free to take the decisions we feel appropriate," said Hayden, CIA director from 2006 to 2009.
"You just need to understand that if your decisions are markedly different than ours, it affects our view as to how thick the border should be," he said.
NH
Public CONsultation To Begin on Proposed Canada-US Border Deal
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Public+consultations+begin+proposed+Ca...
"Trade Minister Peter Van Loan said Sunday that Canadians could provide feedback on the proposed partnership between Canada and the US on the ministry's website between now and April 21. The results of the public consultation would then be published, he said.
http://www.borderactionplan-plandactionfrontalier.gc.ca/psec-scep/index....
Trade Minister Peter Van Loan...How appropriate.
I also see the pattern of the Conservative buzzword..'Action Plan'
Anyway,if I were a betting man,I'd wager everything I own that the feedback they will publish will be exclusively that of what agrees with the Cons...They will make it appear as if it is the majority's will and that they have the majority's consent.
It's SOOOO predictable.
also predictable is that along with Libya and Afghanistan, this Perimeter Security agreement is NOT an election issue. Gee, funny how all the most important issues have disappeared. Not that Canucklheads would notice anyway..
North American Perimter Security and the Militarization of the Northern Border - by Dana Gabriel
http://www.countercurrents.org/gabriel270411.htm
"The move toward a North American security perimeter is nothing more than a pretext for US control over the continent.."
Beware 'Deep Integration' - by Ralph Nader
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/980795--beware-d...
"The early tangle of 'deep integration' within the framework of a North American Security Perimeter Agreement being readied secretly without public participation for signing by Ottawa and Washington later this year is just the beginning..."
Harper, Obama Discuss Border Issues At G8
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/05/26/g8-harper.html
"...Harper and Obama will reportedly discuss the next stage of the North American Perimeter Security Agreement. The prime minister's office says the meeting is likely to result in some forward movement on the agreement..."
Border Security Input A Sham, Critics Say - by Mark Kennedy
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Border+security+input+shame+critics/48...
"The Harper government is pressing ahead with plans to develop a joint Canada-US border agreement on 'perimeter security' and is giving Canadians until the end of the week to offer their views on the matter. [url is upthread]
Critics are calling the public consultations a sham. However the country's big business sector represented by the Canadian Council of Chief Executives (CCCE) supports the inititiative and says 'bold action' is needed to ensure the border agreement comes to fruition."
US-Canada Perimeter Security and An Integrated North American Command - by Dana Gabriel
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25170
"...there is little doubt that deeper military integration between both countries will play an important part of any such deal.."
'War Could Hit North American Soil This Century': Expert - by Ian Macleod
http://www.canada.com/news/national/could+North+American+this+century+ex...
"A US more preoccupied with serious retaliation or even pre-emption by an enemy on the home front will demand far greater seriousness of performance from Canada in respect of investments in strategic capabilities. It will threaten to 'do the job' for Canada if such investments are not made.."
Public Calls For More Transparency in Continental Security Negotiations - by Jim Bronskill
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/public-calls-for-mo...
"Dozens of people who took part in a federal consultation want more transparency in Canada's move toward a security deal with the United States, records obtained by The Canadian Press show. The Perimeter arrangement is aimed at expanding cooperation on continental security..."
softing the resistence to merging our borders and security - fear card drum beat - don't buy that crap!
Advancing U.S.-Canada Economic, Energy and Security Integration
by Dana Gabriel / August 30th, 2011
Much has been made about the secretive nature and lack of transparency surrounding efforts by the U.S. and Canada to create a North American security perimeter. With several high-level meetings in the last month, not to mention all the behind the scenes negotiations, it is expected that an action plan will be unveiled at some point in September. From a U.S. perspective, it is security which is driving the agenda, while on the Canadian side, facilitating trade and easing the flow of goods across the border is the focal point. Any deal reached will build off of past initiatives and be used to advance economic, energy and security integration between the two countries.
During a bilateral meeting in early August, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird discussed issues pertaining to the Middle East and the Western Hemisphere....
http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/08/advancing-u-s-canada-economic-energy-a...
US-Canada Cross-Border Policing to be Tested
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Cross+border+policing+tested/5410532/st...
"By 'cross-designating' officers from both sides, Canadian and US law enforcement could move seamlessly across the land border...A Rideau Institute report, warned Canada is being asked in the border talks to compromise the civil rights of millions of Canadians without any guarantee the Americans will provide more open access for trade..."
Rideau Institute: Perimeter Security Deal Threatens Canadians' Privacy
http://www.rideauinstitute.ca/2011/09/14/perimter-security-deal/
US-Canada Perimeter Security and the Consolidation of North America - by Dana Gabriel
http://beyourownleader.blogspot.com/2011/09/us-canada-perimeter-security...
"...a US-Canada perimeter-security agreement would represent another step in the consolidation of North America.."
U.S.-Canada Perimeter Security and the Consolidation of North America
by Dana Gabriel / September 21st, 2011
The U.S. and Canada are very close to unveiling a North American perimeter security deal that would promote greater integration between both countries. This includes expanding collaboration in areas of law enforcement and intelligence sharing which could dramatically affect sovereignty and privacy rights. While there is a need for more public scrutiny, incrementalism has been used to advance North American integration. In many ways this has kept the agenda under the radar. Much like NAFTA and the Security and Prosperity Partnership, a U.S.-Canada perimeter security agreement would represent another step in the consolidation of North America....
http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/09/u-s-canada-perimeter-security-and-the-...
Looks like the US wants to take peoples property rights away that live within 100 US miles of the border.....I wonder if our traitorous prime minister will agree to take Canadian rights away?... This will explain the foot dragging on Canadain property rights the westren conservatives have been mothin off about for the last decade.
"apply to all sections of the international land and maritime borders of the United States within 100 miles of the international land and maritime borders of the United States"
BillText
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8LD5Q8ecc
Looks like the US wants to take peoples property rights away that live within 100 US miles of the border.....
Despite the vastness of the nation, 90 percent of the Canadian population is located within 160 kilometers (100 miles) of the U.S. border.
Read more: Canada - Location and size, Population, Manufacturing, Banking and financial services, Retail http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Americas/Canada.html#ixzz1ZvU7jHRb
Canada and the US Reach $1 Billion Perimeter Security Deal
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/canada-and-us-reach...
"...The so-called Beyond the Border action plan will include some three dozen items the government plans to pursue together. A number could be in place within months while others would take as long as four or five years. 'This will mean 'taking it to a deeper level than we've seen before in terms of sharing information on common threats,' said one source..."
Border Deal a Hard Barrier for Harper's Critics to Cross - by John Ibbotson
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbotson/border-deal-a...
"The new Canada-US border agreement will be unveiled at the White House by Barack Obama and Stephen Harper in early December. When they read it, some people will go ballistic.
That's because the Beyond the Border action plan, according to those who have watched the negotiations closely, is expected to include a new entry-exit system that will track everyone coming into or leaving Canada by land, sea or air.
It will be part of the continental security perimeter that is one of the key elements of the accord..."
yet another weapons-system of the 1% to be used against the threat of the rest...
Big Business Attends Perimeter Talks in Washington - by Carl Meyer
http://www.embassymag.ca/page/view/bigbusiness-02-08-2012
"New information has emerged on the perimeter security plan between Canada and the United States, with hundreds of government and industry representatives meeting in Washington last week, and the Harper government signaling it will soon take a bill to entrench cross-border policing over water.
The border action plan announced in December indicates that by the end of last month, Canada and the United States would 'determine the way ahead' on how to share information and evidence between their police forces and intelligence agencies...a series of meetings have already taken place that tackle legal problems associated with harmonizing intelligence sharing.."
just another issue of critical importance slipping quietly by
Counter-Terrorism and Northern Border Drug Strategy Tied to Perimeter Security Deal - by Dana Gabriel
http://beyourownleader.blogspot.com/2012/02/counter-terrorism-and-northe...
"...Canada has also released a comprehensive counter-terrorism plan aimed at combating the threats of domestic and international violent exremism. The separate undertakings are both tied to the Beyond The Border deal and efforts to establish a North American Security perimeter.."