Uranium blockade: "If the FN are taken out, then we'll come in."
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quote:Originally posted by 1234567: Where are the quotes from the native leaders? And it is now a legit environmental concern because non-aboriginal people are on board?
If you have been following this, there have been plenty of quotes from the Chiefs. Those would be in the aboriginal issues forum, I expect. This is the first real report of the local landowners words.
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quote:Originally posted by Solidarity4Ever: Again, compare it to highway deaths on the 401, or the loss of the biosphere, and it's very safe [ 01 September 2007: Message edited by: Solidarity4Ever ]
The concern is the environmental damage in getting the uranium out of the ground. I understand that about 85% of the radioactivity is left behind in mine tailings. It is not the nuclear plants so much as the uranium mining that is a concern.
This site contains headwaters for the Ottawa River watershed and there is a lot of concern about contamination, and some evidence that there already is contamination from an old mine there.
Looking for link ...
http://www.sharbotlakealgonquinfirstnation.com/
" The Environmental effects of Uranium mining include the contamination of ground water with dissolved metals and radioactive materials, dispersal of radioactive dusts, and releases of radioactive gas into the air. When uranium ore is processed, 85% of the radioactivity is left behind in the tailings, and must be managed safely for hundreds of thousands of years". www.miningwatch.ca
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In the meantime ... guidelines for anyone out that way ...
Support the Ardoch Lake Algonguins' Blockade
A new injunction was issued August 27 against the blockade established by the Ardoch Algonguin First Nations at the Robertsville Mine in order to protect their lands from uranium exploration and mining. The injunction is expected to be served on August 29. Supporters are encouraged to come out to the site and to bring 'quick' food donations such as muffins, sandwiches, etc.
The mine gates are at highway 509 just north of Sharbot Lake, off highway 7, west of Perth and 65 km north of Kingston. (to see a map of the site click here)
Organizers note the following "Rules of Engagement":
- We must not trespass on private land. Unlike the First Nations People, we must stay on the road allowance (The road side of the gate.)
- Be positive and respectful with everyone.
- You are there as an observer, not as a representative of any group, so do not speak about issues you are unsure about. It is important not to promote inflammatory rumors, as it can harm our position.
- If you are approached by a police officer, they will ASK your permission to be arrested. At this time you should decline. The officer will then ask you to step out of the way. DO SO IMMEDIATELY AND POLITELY. DO NOT MAKE ANY SIDE COMMENTS OR INFLAMMATORY REMARKS.
To help, contact: Chief Paula Sherman 613-279-1970 ; Bob Lovelace at 613-374-5598, Cell 613-532-2166; Harold Perry 613-479-5534; Lynn Daniluk 613-268-2746 Cell 614-267-0539; Ormond Lee of the settler committee 613-267-7584
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quote:Your insults are unnecessary here 1-7 ... truly.
You really need to get over yourself. It wasn't an insult but a question. Try reading it again.
The media doesn't take FN issues seriously unless there is a group of non natives agreeing with what FN are saying.
quote:Originally posted by 1234567:
The media doesn't take FN issues seriously unless there is a group of non natives agreeing with what FN are saying.
The media sucks big time. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
But this uranium mine blockade has had good coverage. I am glad to see that.
I am glad to see some people stand up.
I am still pi$$ed at the media for their biased coverage of Six Nations ... [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img]
Whatever it takes to stop the racism in the media, I am happy. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]
Whatever it takes to have a revolution and stop the raping and pillaging of the environment, I am happy.
Whatever it takes to force the gov to honour the treaties, I am happy.
And it takes working together ... and I am happy to see that happening ... uranium ... got a lotta yech factor, as Makwa said !!!
[ 01 September 2007: Message edited by: saga ]
quote: Everybody wins. Unions. Environment. Everyone.
Whenever anyone says that, you know you're being setup to lose big time.
quote:Originally posted by Fidel:
Conservation combined with energy efficiency and alternative green power generation is a reduction strategy for saving money that is succeeding around the world. Ontario has millions of drafty, leakey old buildings which could be upgraded with existing building technology and creating tens of thousands of green economy jobs. Going nuclear right off the bat is like doing brain surgery to treat a headache.
quote:Again, compare it to highway deaths on the 401, or the loss of the biosphere, and it's very safe
There have been safety issues at Pickering A nuclear plants. And since McGuinty dropped his promise to reduce energy consumption in Ontario by 10 percent, electrical power consumption has soared. The Liberals have this nuclear power megaproject in the skunkworks, and they've had to change environmental laws in Ontario to accommodate what will be dangerous and enviromentally unfriendly nuclear power expansion. Nuclear power is a bottomless money pit.
Canada could be self-suficient with respect to electrical power needs as we are a net exporter of electricity as well as total energy exports to the U.S. Neo-Liberal voodoo for deregulated power gen and distribution was a big flop in the U.S., Ontario and Britain. Electrical power is best consumed where generated. Our power grid isn't designed for free market nonsense with the U.S., the long haul transmission of power over vast distances. Too much power loss.
If the Yanks want more electrical power, then let them build nukes in their own backyards. And let their utility companies and politicians deal with the political fallout when the screwups and accidents happen.
And let somebody else mine the uranium...
LEAVE IT IN THE GROUND !! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
[ 01 September 2007: Message edited by: saga ]
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Your insults are unnecessary here 1-7 ... truly.
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You really need to get over yourself. It wasn't an insult but a question. Try reading it again.
The media doesn't take FN issues seriously unless there is a group of non natives agreeing with what FN are saying.
I don't know what kind of game you are playing saga, but you made the comment up above about my "unnecessary insults" and then when I responded to the remark you go back and edit out the your comment? WTF?
quote:Originally posted by 1234567:
I was outta line. I misinterpreted your previous comments. Sorry bout that.
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http://www.thewhig.com/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=676296&catname=L ocal+News&classif=
Tax revolt brewing; Mine's neighbours withholding property dues
Frank Armstrong
Local News - Friday, August 31, 2007 @ 00:00
Non-native neighbours of a proposed uranium mine north of Sharbot Lake are showing that area Algonquins aren't the only people who have resorted to civil disobedience to push for government action.
A number of North Frontenac Township residents have visited their local government office recently to tell staff they won't pay their municipal tax bills until the township council takes a stance on the prospect of the uranium mine.
Tax Revolt Brewing ... [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
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[url=http://www.newsweb.ca/2007/07'34_Aug_30/Candidates_mining.html]http://www.newsweb.ca/2007/07'34_Aug_30/Candidates_mining.html[/url]
Candidates deepen positions on mining in LFL&A
By Jeff Green
A veritable media scrum took place along a lonely stretch of road north of Clarendon this week, with CTV, Global, CKWS and CBC radio vying for a word from OPP officials and local Algonquin leaders.
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http://www.thewhig.com/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=677538&catname=L ocal+News&classif=
Mine protesters spurn injunction
Steve Serviss
Local News - Saturday, September 01, 2007 @ 00:00
More than 200 native and nonnative people shouted down a sheriff who was delivering a court order that called for the immediate removal of a blockade at a proposed uranium mine north of Sharbot Lake.
Superior Court Justice Gordon Thomson had issued the written order Monday.
Yesterday, two sheriffs, escorted by Ontario Provincial Police, were met on the road outside the mine by Ardoch and Shabot Obaadjiwan First Nations warriors who would not allow the court officers on the property. The mine is located off Highway 509 about 12 kilometres north of Sharbot Lake.
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The group of protesters, both native and non-native, numbered about 200. Native leaders have said they want a peaceful resolution through negotiations and not through court injunctions.
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This is a database project on environmental toxins and First Nations.
http://fntid.pbwiki.com/
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quote:Native leaders have said they want a peaceful resolution through negotiations and not through court injunctions.
Where are the quotes from the native leaders? And it is now a legit environmental concern because non-aboriginal people are on board?
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quote:Originally posted by 1234567:
Where are the quotes from the native leaders? And it is now a legit environmental concern because non-aboriginal people are on board?
What's legit about the way our leaders have treated natives wrt land claims?. They don't want to takeover Ontario. They just want what's theirs, which is more than current native land, one percent of total.
The province doesn't want mining in parks, especially if small time prospectors are involved. Logging companies in Ontario have more rights than anybody. I think the bastards are wanting to create a preserve of natural resources and sell it off to big(foreign) business at some point. If the neo-Liberal shits have their way, taxpayers will end up leasing the land from big business.
I'd like to know at what point will first nation AND whiteman environmental groups join forces?
I think this is something that will benefit both....for the first nations they will have real whiteman support from grassroot white's and for whitey we will have the power of the FIRST NATION BLOCKADE..
Think about it! When whitey sets up a blockade ..if they even dare you know what will happen..but when first nations people set up a blockade you know and they know it means business.
From the other perspective..when the first nations have a group of white folk supporting them it muzzles "the lets face it" .....racist white guy and there "lets pretend not to be racist" media.
Talk about clout!
I think the uranium issue is great for this as history will show the poisoning of a planet and the people that live on it for billions of years is not a good idea for anyone.
But beware of csis/rcmp/security...they will stop at nothing to discredit a movement of this nature.
Like they did at the previous summit where they dressed and behaved like insurgents. Ha I can't believe that..reason in itself to join forces.
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A show of solidarity between these two groups will have Neo-cons as well as security shaking in there boots and cleaning there guns and dirty trick bag....that's for sure. Unfortunately this is the only way to change things....they just don't listen!
[ 01 September 2007: Message edited by: Buddy Kat ]
That's exactly right. "Whitey" [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] has to realize that he's not so white in the eyes of the establishmentarian white minority elite. And he has to make a stand, and the more the better in creating a force majeure. United we stand divided we fall.
Why are people so ready to fight over nuclear power, but have no qualms about about oil? If we don't reduce the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, we all fry.
Won't nuclear plants reduce dependance on greenhouse-gase power producers like coal and oil and natural gas? Of course they will. But people hear "nuclear" and they think Hiroshima or 3 Mile Island, or Chernobyl. Fools. Nuke plants don't go 'BOOM', and the ones that had accidents were just that. No one died at 3MI, and Chernobyl was bad, but no worse than Bhopal or other bad industrial accidents.
And the mining will done by union labour. And the nuke plants will also be unionized. They can even store the waste in the Canadian Shield, which is the most geologically stable rock in North America.
Everybody wins. Unions. Environment. Everyone.
quote:Originally posted by Solidarity4Ever:
Won't nuclear plants reduce dependance on greenhouse-gase power producers like coal and oil and natural gas? Of course they will. But people hear "nuclear" and they think Hiroshima or 3 Mile Island, or Chernobyl. Fools.
Why is the Liberal Party in Ontario ready to whip out our public credit card to the tune of $45 billion for nukes before considering energy conservation and efficiency ?. The NDP says we can save the need for another Darlington nuclear power fiasco if we tried what's already proven to save money and need for more expensive nuclear power in the U.S. state of California. Nuclear power is expensive - dirtier than they care to admit - not always reliable - dangerous and always-always comes in at the bottom line with huge cost overruns.
quote:Originally posted by Fidel:
quote: Why is the Liberal Party in Ontario ready to whip out our public credit card to the tune of $45 billion for nukes before considering energy conservation and efficiency
Conservation only goes so far when you are dealing with a growing population. At best conservation will slow, but not eliminate, the rise in power consumption
quote: Nuclear power is expensive
Compared to global warming it's very cheap
quote: dangerous
Again, compare it to highway deaths on the 401, or the loss of the biosphere, and it's very safe
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quote:Originally posted by Solidarity4Ever:
Conservation only goes so far when you are dealing with a growing population. At best conservation will slow, but not eliminate, the rise in power consumption.
Conservation combined with energy efficiency and alternative green power generation is a reduction strategy for saving money that is succeeding around the world. Ontario has millions of drafty, leakey old buildings which could be upgraded with existing building technology and creating tens of thousands of green economy jobs. Going nuclear right off the bat is like doing brain surgery to treat a headache.
quote:Again, compare it to highway deaths on the 401, or the loss of the biosphere, and it's very safe
There have been safety issues at Pickering A nuclear plants. And since McGuinty dropped his promise to reduce energy consumption in Ontario by 10 percent, electrical power consumption has soared. The Liberals have this nuclear power megaproject in the skunkworks, and they've had to change environmental laws in Ontario to accommodate what will be dangerous and enviromentally unfriendly nuclear power expansion. Nuclear power is a bottomless money pit.
Canada could be self-suficient with respect to electrical power needs as we are a net exporter of electricity as well as total energy exports to the U.S. Neo-Liberal voodoo for deregulated power gen and distribution was a big flop in the U.S., Ontario and Britain. Electrical power is best consumed where generated. Our power grid isn't designed for free market nonsense with the U.S., the long haul transmission of power over vast distances. Too much power loss.
If the Yanks want more electrical power, then let them build nukes in their own backyards. And let their utility companies and politicians deal with the political fallout when the screwups and accidents happen.
Again, compare it to highway deaths on the 401, or the loss of the biosphere, and it's very safe
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