The Freeland-Chomiak Connection: "It takes a village to raise a Nazi"

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6079_Smith_W

I agree with you about the biases in the mainsteam media, kropotkin. And I expect Magoo does as well. But it really is a matter of degrees, and we are talking about two separate things - agenda and bias (which we all have to some degree), and the willingness to let that agenda override a sense of fairness and honesty.

I have read writers who with whom I might agree on a specific issue, but also realize that they are completely useless because what they are writing is propaganda, and if there was an important counter argument I couldn't trust them to mention it. By contrast I have read writers with whom I completely disagree politically, but whose opinion and respect for fairness I know I can trust.

As for Richard, the first time he posted here I thanked him for bringing up things I was not fully aware of. In that sense I find some of his material worthwhile, if only because it gives me some impetus to dig into it and find how much is truth, and what has been left out. And as Magoo says, those omissions and leaps of logic are sometimes glaring.

I do care about these issues he posts about, and more importantly, I care about fairness in reporting. I don't just jump in to give him a hard time. If he does want to post here I wish he would drop this rhetoric about people being angry, abusing him, or wanting to post. I know it might be too much to ask to expect him to give a bit of ground and recognize that there is blame on all sides here; I'd settle for just having conversation without the implication that people are trying to shut him down, or that this is somehow suppressed information, or that there is something wrong with having a range of opinion here.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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And I expect Magoo does as well. But it really is a matter of degrees, and we are talking about two separate things - agenda and bias (which we all have to some degree), and the willingness to let that agenda override a sense of fairness and honesty.

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I have read writers who with whom I might agree on a specific issue, but also realize that they are completely useless because what they are writing is propaganda, and if there was an important counter argument I couldn't trust them to mention it. By contrast I have read writers with whom I completely disagree politically, but whose opinion and respect for fairness I know I can trust.

Yes.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

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Strange how you only see one side's propaganda and not the embedded right wing agenda.

That's because that one side's propaganda sets its hair on fire, jumps up and down, and screeches "Look at me!  Look at who the real fascist is!!!!!!!"  They make it easy for all of us to see.

Indeed you are correct that the oligarchy are far better at propaganda. It helps that there are useful idiots everywhere who are  just thrilled to pass on the talking points and trash talk the latest villian du jour. It makes manufacturing consent in Western societies so much easier.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Indeed you are correct that the oligarchy are far better at propaganda.

Whoops!  No.  I was referring to our own Richard "raise a Nazi" Sanders.

Look, I know you've no love of the opponents of Putin, and for the record, I've no more love for Freeland than you ( I voted Hollett, in MY RIDING) but evidently OMFG, someone marched around in a uniform or something!  What's with the RUSSOPHOBIA???   Lieberals and Ukies and Russophobes, Oh My!!!

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

You seem to have missed my meaning. Propaganda that is subtle is far more effective. Most people can't be fooled by blatent stuff but our MSM is subtle enough to fool many people who honestly believe they are immune to it. It is mere coincidence that they buy the official line almost all the time.

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Propaganda that is subtle is far more effective.

Probably.  But what if you're too angry, or not intelligent enough, to be subtle?

That seems a bit unfair.

Richard Sanders Richard Sanders's picture

I'm really sick of this. 

My research exposes many links between Canada's Foreign Minister and fascist organisation, publications and ideologies that still exist in Canada.  They are everywhere in Canada.  They are deeply embedded in our culture. They are part of the furniture, even in Rabble. 

If my work is of interest to anyone, then they can follow the links and read the summary of my research.  If they don't think that research is of any value, that's fine, I don't care, they can go a do something else. 

While i find it sort of interesting that so many of the comments here have little or nothing at all to do with the subject of my research, i.e., they make no mention of Freeland or Chomiak, that interest is wearing thin. 

While it bothers me that so many comments avoid any reference to Freeland or Chomiak, let alone any reference to my research about them, it is foolish to try to argue with folks to try to get them to actually comment on Freeland or Chomiak.

I've done my "job" and produced a summary of my research.  It is out there.  It is like a little tiny almost invisible seed floating in a huge cloud. It probably has no life.  It probably won't amount to much of anything. But I should not throw good time after bad. I have to let it go and get back to other pressing matters.  It was and is a big distraction from other work.

I had a dream two nights ago that I was in a room with Trump.  I started to say what I thought about Syria but within a few seconds I realised there was absolutely no point.  It was a waste of time.  That dream was really about Rabble.  As soon as I woke up I realised that arguing here on rabble -- with people who try to spin my research in the exact opposite direct and completely avoid any discussion of the point, ie., Freeland's links to fascist grps etc -- is what the dream was about.  It was a message from my subconscious telling me to avoid wasting any more of my time. 

NDPP

It's an amazing and valuable body of research Richard. Congratulations and many thanks for it. And unfortunately, you're right about the 'progressive' putrefaction too. Fuck them. But keep posting!

The Canada Syndrome, A Captivating Mass Psychosis

http://coat.ncf.ca/P4C/68/68_2-4.pdf

Unionist

Thank you, Richard. And don't feel that you need to defend your work against apologists for Nazi collaborators, slaves of Donald Trump (like Chrystia Freeland), and the like. That's not what rabble is about, as you well know. Please keep up the painstaking research. It is much appreciated.

6079_Smith_W

'Scuse me, but I have commented on Freeland. I have commented on Chomiak, and that includes saying that he should be held responsible for the degree to which he collaborated with the Nazis. So what are you talking about, Richard? Seems to me you have a problem with the fact some of us don't agree with everything else you are trying to sell.

I think we settled some time ago that we have a difference of opinion when it comes to the question of Ukraine independence. As for the central point of this article - drawing a presumed direct line between Freeland and Adolf Hitler, and making smears implying that she is a Nazi - I have already told you what I think about that.

As for being compared to Holocaust deniers, and Nazi apologists, and being told we can fuck off. You boys have a problem with the direction of the conversation? Well I presume you have fingers and can type. No one is stopping you.

And I am still curious about your "fighting the Nazis" thing. I am not going to push it forever, but honestly I am interested.

 

 

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