'Consider joining us': Andrea Horwath makes strategic voting pitch to Liberal supporters

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Mighty Middle
'Consider joining us': Andrea Horwath makes strategic voting pitch to Liberal supporters

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath appealed to traditional Liberal voters on Friday, saying they should choose her party if they want to avoid a Doug Ford government.

The strategic voting pitch comes as polls suggest Ontario's next premier will either be Horwath or Ford.

"As we get closer and closer to Thursday, it's becoming very apparent that the new premier is either going to be Mr Ford or me. And what I am saying to all voters is, if you're interested in having that positive, hopeful future, then please consider joining us," Horwath said during a campaign stop in Don Valley West.

The Toronto riding is where Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne is running to keep her seat in the Legislature. 

Horwath says she gets a sense from her team "on the ground" that people want change, and after Thursday's election the government will look different than it has in the past two decades.

"It doesn't matter if its a Conservative held riding in the past, or a Liberal held riding in the past, in both scenarios, our candidates and our campaign volunteers are saying, 'we need some help because there's something rolling here and we need to take advantage of it," Horwath continued.

The NDP leader is making her strong push for Liberal ridings with less than a week left in the campaign.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/horwath-ndp-liberals-strategic-vot...

robbie_dee

While I appreciate the irony, does the NDP have any chance of winning Don Valley West? I mean like, at all? This riding is encompasses the Bridle Path, Lawrence Park and Leaside, which are some of the toniest neighborhoods in the city. If I've missed something let me know. But otherwise trying to drag Wynne down in her own riding, one that she could potentially still win, sounds to me to be more likely to help Ford than to stop him. IOW this is not actually a strategic voting pitch, but rather, a "strategic voting" pitch similar to what the Liberals always used to do to us.

Pondering

So Mulcair pumped strategic voting in BC, and now Horwath is doing it in Ontario (not a bad move) so I think it is time to stop accusing Liberals of pushing strategic voting. They may have done so in the past but not recently to my knowledge. The Quebec Liberals may try it this time around.

Point is, this is a political maneuver not a Liberal maneuver.

Unionist

Pondering wrote:

So Mulcair pumped strategic voting in BC, and now Horwath is doing it in Ontario (not a bad move) so I think it is time to stop accusing Liberals of pushing strategic voting. They may have done so in the past but not recently to my knowledge. The Quebec Liberals may try it this time around.

Point is, this is a political maneuver not a Liberal maneuver.

Couldn't agree more.

 

WWWTT

Point is, this is a political maneuver not a Liberal maneuver.

Political maeuver Horwath is borrowing from the liberals.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Quote:
Political maeuver Horwath is borrowing from the liberals.

Do you feel the Liberals own it because you believe they were the last to use it?

For good, bad or indifferent, the electoral left has, for years, promoted "Anyone but _____". 

Harper.  Harris.  Eves.  Ford.  Other Ford.  More that I can't even be bothered listing, it's so common.

bekayne

robbie_dee wrote:

While I appreciate the irony, does the NDP have any chance of winning Don Valley West? I mean like, at all? This riding is encompasses the Bridle Path, Lawrence Park and Leaside, which are some of the toniest neighborhoods in the city. If I've missed something let me know. But otherwise trying to drag Wynne down in her own riding, one that she could potentially still win, sounds to me to be more likely to help Ford than to stop him. IOW this is not actually a strategic voting pitch, but rather, a "strategic voting" pitch similar to what the Liberals always used to do to us.

If the PCs won by one seat, with that one seat being Don Valley West, that indeed would be very ironic.

progressive17 progressive17's picture

How could you tell which one of the seats they won by?

Unionist

progressive17 wrote:

How could you tell which one of the seats they won by?

There are ways...

robbie_dee

Does the NDP have electoral reform in its platform? Because that’s the only way they can campaign this way and preserve any shred of integrity. IMO, Ford is an existential threat who would justify a real strategic voting campaign that went riding by riding to identify the best candidate to beat the Conservative. I don’t see that happening though. It’s certainly not what the NDP is doing. I would much rather vote *for* someone than against someone anyways. Let’s make this the last Ontario election where we have to “hold our noses”and vote for someone we’d rather not - whether that’s a Liberal when you are an ND (in the very small number of ridings where the Libs are still potentially ahead) or an ND if you are a Liberal at heart.

Northern-54

I would love to end strategic voting.   I would like to be able to vote NDP without having to worry about the act helping to elect a Conservative.

Ciabatta2

Agreed.  They're trying to be cute with the wording but this totally kills the vision they started off with.

Mighty Middle

robbie_dee wrote:

Does the NDP have electoral reform in its platform?

An NDP government would take another run at electoral reform, appointing a commission to study various options

cco

Northern-54 wrote:

I would love to end strategic voting.   I would like to be able to vote NDP without having to worry about the act helping to elect a Conservative.

You can! Because here's the big lie behind every strategic voting campaign (and that includes Horwath's): single-group mutability.

It's a tempting lie, for sure. All one has to do is look at vote breakdowns and observe that if we merely add this party's vote to that party's vote, the outcome changes. But the inherent assumption there is that the add-on party's voters are up for grabs, whereas the victor's voters are carved in stone.

The NDP does this all the time, most notably with the Greens. If only those Green voters voted NDP, we'd win! Except that people who vote Green might not have voted if there were no Green on the ballot, or might be disaffected Liberals or Conservatives who otherwise would vote their previous choice of party.

Buying into "strategic voting" reinforces the idea that voters are owned by a particular party, and that only the indecisive are worth pursuing. It's insulting to the concept of democracy. I can't blame the ONDP for wanting to turn the old nemesis around on the OLP, and I'll be quite happy if the ONDP wins this election. But I won't say "A vote for Wynne is a vote for Ford". Voters are only responsible for how they vote, not how they might've voted in a hypothetical scenario where they could guarantee everyone else would vote the same way.

SocialJustice101

cco, would we still be having this discussion if we actually had a democractic electoral system such as PR?    There would be no chance in hell of a Ford majority in Ontario.   No Harper majority.   And no Harris majority.  ....   a completely different, more progressive country.

SocialJustice101

Also, you are right to a certain extend that SOME voters would not vote at all without the Green party.   But you are forgetting that some other voters, possibly even larger number, would have voted NDP or Liberal instead.    Strategic voting is real and exist because of a faulty electoral system.

SocialJustice101

The Cons would love you to believe that strategic voting does not make sense, because vote splitting helps them.   

Northern-54

I agree that the Green vote does not work that way.  I have talked to many Green candidates.   They seem to be the best at door knocking in my area.   The candidates themselves are a mixed bag.   I had one tell me that the best way to deal with big corporations causing problems in the environment was moral suasion.  I suspect that is not the official Green Party line but it means I would never vote Green.  And, I know that candidate's last choice if he were not to vote Green would be the NDP.

When it comes to NDP'ers, our primary strategic vote has always been, and I suspect, will always be, Liberal. 

WWWTT

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
Political maeuver Horwath is borrowing from the liberals.

Do you feel the Liberals own it because you believe they were the last to use it?

For good, bad or indifferent, the electoral left has, for years, promoted "Anyone but _____". 

Harper.  Harris.  Eves.  Ford.  Other Ford.  More that I can't even be bothered listing, it's so common.

No actually I thought it was obvious?

Canada federaly and probably half it's provinces for the most part bounce between the liberals and conservatives, effectively making it a two party system with a smaller NDP. And the ABC fear mongering was established to help the liberals feed from the growing NDP voting pool. Don't believe me? Think of when the ABC movement started. Think of when the NDP started to rebound.Think of when the right reunited in Canada federaly

Ciabatta2

Wynne's gambit made the whole NDP strategic vote call totally unnecessary.  Such a farce, both of them, on this

Northern-54

I don't understand how it is a farce.  Are you suggesting that the NDP/Liberals conspired and that the first (Wynne's concession) and the second (NDP's strategic vote call) are somehow connected to a secret agreement. 

SocialJustice101

I do think Wynne's announcement actually HELPS the NDP, but the new OLP ads smearing the NDP as "job killers" do not.

progressive17 progressive17's picture

When their backs are against the wall, the Liberals always have to stand up for the Right.