Ford Desecration Pt IV - the march to Detroit continues

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Junkyard Dog

Yes, "thankfully" - and to no one's surprise, really - RoFo has slithered off the hook yet again...or at least, the Supreme Court has given him ample opportunity to declare victory once more, which is all his hardcore base of supporters care about by this stage. Which is to say, being on the "winning" side, no matter the reality of the situation, as if they were cheering on their favorite sports team instead of a grotesquely, cartoonishly corrupt, dishonest, unstable and dangerously unqualified brute who's entirely unfit for any position of responsibility whatsoever. As the Globe story helpfully puts it:

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford says he’s been “vindicated” by the Supreme Court of Canada’s decision not to hear an appeal in his conflict of interest case.

Of course he does. Yes, we should all be very "thankful" indeed. Hooray.

Unionist

Perhaps his opponents will return to analyzing the reasons for Ford's popularity and ways to mobilize against the anti-people policies that he represents, instead of cheering from the sidelines when he commits a technical conflict of interest error, or when some non-existent video shows him using (gasp) illegal drugs.

Tiresome sideshows.

 

Bacchus

And which only serves to increase his popularity (as he claims they hate him for our freedoms etc) and ensure a victory lap next election

 

quizzical

Unionist wrote:
Perhaps his opponents will return to analyzing the reasons for Ford's popularity and ways to mobilize against the anti-people policies that he represents, instead of cheering from the sidelines when he commits a technical conflict of interest error, or when some non-existent video shows him using (gasp) illegal drugs.

Tiresome sideshows.

yep fighting battles in the "gray zone" only alienate would be supporters. this whole moral majority outrage over this gags me.

socialdemocrati...

I'm with unionist. There are plenty of reasons why Ford is a terrible mayor. Focusing on his substance abuse or his legal mismanagement might seem like a good strike against him, but it does nothing to undermine the terrible ideas that he stands for.

 

 

Bacchus

Because then there is no difference between them and us and principled people will cease to vote for us whatsoever. 

Like when the vote is split in many elections letting the tories win because no one can distinguish which of the opposition is best

 

 

Bacchus

Ford won because of a backlash against the spend at all costs union loving, lefty commie dictatorship of miller impression in the suburbs and the fact tht his opponents(none of them miller) were clones of each other and offered nothing different just varying degrees of negativity "im not like asshole B" "Asshole A is way worse than me")

 

Personally I dislike the swings and would prefer a nice centrist mayor

mark_alfred

Junkyard Dog wrote:
Again, do you suppose the Fords and the Sun, et al, would be this gentle, or respectful of boundaries, treating it as some inexplicable out-of-the-blue tragedy (and not some personal failing) if this were happening to a leftist

Hard to say about the Fords and the Sun, but I do suspect that certain posters here at Babble would be throwing plenty of bricks "if this were happening to a leftist".

Junkyard Dog

Perhaps his opponents will return to analyzing the reasons for Ford's popularity and ways to mobilize against the anti-people policies that he represents, instead of cheering from the sidelines when he commits a technical conflict of interest error -

Is there any reason we can't do both? I'd say there's been plenty of discussion regarding Ford's supposed popularity (which I strongly suspect isn't nearly as all-encompassing as his allies in the media would like to make us think), and there's nothing wrong with cheering on or gloating about your political opponents' self-inflicted wounds; God knows the right does that to us every chance they get. Oh, and I like that "technical" conflict of interest "error" comment, Unionist. Why, laws are for the little people! In the real world, when some underling at the Toronto Community Housing Corporation purchased a box of chocolates, it was spun into a major scandal by Ford and his allies in the media. It was the sort of detail that stuck out because it was at a level where the ordinary citizen could easily grasp it. Ford and his ilk understand that that kind of propaganda is pure gold. Ah, but that's not for us deliberately ineffectual types here in Airy-Fairy Lefty Land, is it? Goodness gracious, heavens to Betsy, no! Gasp! We musn't stain our dainty hands stooping to that kind of vulgarity! How rude.

So when our willfully ignorant moron of a Mayor is responsible for various conflict-of-interest violations, we should stick our noses in the air and demurely look the other way because of some non-existant Marquess of Queensbury rules? Are you fucking kidding me? If someone on our side of the fence was the guilty party here, a mainstream figure like Adam Vaughan, say, how do suppose the Fords and the Toronto Sun and their numerous allies in the government and media would react, hmm? Would they, oh, I don't know, be frothing at the mouth? Demand that the accused have the book thrown at him? Scream for him to be tarred and feathered and run out of City Hall on a rail, or, at the very least, that he be ejected from public office, toot sweet? Regardless of the cost or the inconvenience involved? What's that, you say, they would? Oh, but we can't do that, can we? We're far too holy and saintly and pure. Undecided

 - or when some non-existent video shows him using (gasp) illegal drugs.

There are plenty of reasons why Ford is a terrible mayor. Focusing on his substance abuse or his legal mismanagement might seem like a good strike against him, but it does nothing to undermine the terrible ideas that he stands for.

The fuck it doesn't. It highlights the unbelievable hypocrisy of Mayor "Law 'N' Order" Ford adopting one set of rules for himself ("Anything goes!") while advocating the usual right wing approach for the harshest penalties against ordinary, average people breaking the same laws as he does. Like the TCHC and their box of chocolates, this is damaging precisely because it's capable of being grasped on an immediate level by even the dullest mind. And the Ford brothers and their media bootlicks know that, which is why we saw so many of the hacks gently urging Ford to "seek help" and "enter rehab" when the scandal broke and then gained sufficent legs that it was obvious it wasn't going away anytime soon. Again, do you suppose the Fords and the Sun, et al, would be this gentle, or respectful of boundaries, treating it as some inexplicable out-of-the-blue tragedy (and not some personal failing) if this were happening to a leftist or mainstream liberal, or for that matter, even a conservative who happens to be a member of the Liberal Party? Why the hell shouldn't Ford receive exactly the same treatment he'd be doling out to a political enemy - i.e one of us - if the positions were reversed here?

"Tiresome sideshows," my fat ass. In politics, if your enemy is drowning, then the responsible thing to do is to throw him an anvil. Doing otherwise is simply playing games - or it comes off as looking so to outsiders - and makes you appear as if you're not serious. Many of the people supporting Ford are doing so because he's willing to fight on his own behalf. That's not how we come off looking when we behave as if the political arena is some lah-de-dah intellectual parlor game that we learned over tea and watercress sandwiches  at finishing school.

janfromthebruce

Interestingly enough, there was a poll taken during the summer prior to the fall election, which suggested that if Miller had run, he was more popular than Ford.

So perhaps that centerist thing wasn't quite true. Whatever centrist means.

janfromthebruce

Info about that poll

Miller brings up an Ipsos Reid poll conducted last weekend that found, were he running for a third term, he would win handily.

The poll shows him stealing support from former deputy premier George Smitherman and even, in some suburban areas, from the right-wing penny-pincher Ford.

“If you want to analyze the polls, Rob Ford's not leading, David Miller is. I'm not winning because of angry people,” Miller said.

‘Rob Ford’s not leading, David Miller is’ outgoing mayor says

Also this reaffirmed that:

If Mr. Miller did enter the race, Ipsos pollster John Wright said, he would win “handily,” likely gaining support at the expense of George Smitherman and in some suburban areas, Mr. Ford.

“It appears that a lot of people would rather have what they know than what they don’t,” Mr. Wright said.
The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

University of Toronto political scientist Nelson Wiseman says the numbers suggest a “whopping win” for Mr. Miller should he enter the race, considering the remaining votes would be split between four or five other major candidates. But the situation could change, he noted, if Mr. Miller actually stepped up to run.

“Candidates who aren’t candidates are generally more popular than when they are candidates,” Mr. Wiseman said. He also pointed to the strong advantage of incumbency, noting it is “very rare” for a municipal mayor to lose a re-election bid: “You’ve got to live in Vaughan.”

Mayor Miller would likely win if he ran again, poll shows

So David Miller would have beat Smitherman hands down. And moreover, with Smitherman now wearing the yoke of bad Liberal scandals, well let's say, perhaps he's a great candidate for Toronto Centre.

Are you wondering at all that being offered the job head of the Wildlife society (after Trudeau's campaign manager held the reins for years) was maybe about taking Miller out of the running for Toronto Centre. I mean Rae would know he was leaving and so to ensure that Miller didn't become the NDP candidate, ensure he got that new gig.

The timing of all this is very interesting. Perhaps I'm over thinking but maybe not.

mark_alfred

Good post in the Grid from Edward Keenan about Ford fucking up the TCHC file.  It's a sad read actually, given the suffering people have experienced due to the mismanagement there.  That said, I used to work in low income housing, and it is a challenge.  TCHC was far from perfect, but it was better in many ways than the private non-profit I was involved with.  Still, from this article, it sounds like mismanagement from the top was a factor.

There's also another post on the issue that Junkyard Dog and Unionist have commented on.  The article is good, but goes on a bit too long.  Keenan has flip flopped on this a couple of times, since he's struggled with the issue.  He continues to struggle with it, as shown by the length of the article and numerous analogies within it, but ultimately comes to a decision (he favours Unionist's take on the situation).  Here's a quote from the struggles he has:

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the governance of Canada’s largest city will not be decided by courts weighing a decision about the disposition of $3,150 in donations to a charity. In big-picture, general, terms, this doesn’t seem like the wrong outcome to this case. The ballot box seems like a more just place to make decisions about who leads us. And yet nothing in particular seems right about this conclusion, either. Someone—the mayor of Toronto—broke the ethics laws meant to ensure government acts to serve citizens rather than their own interests, and he will suffer no penalty for it. If we aren’t enforcing the rules when they are broken, what is the use of having them?

Anyway, it's an interesting article.  Not sure if I agree with him, but I sometimes like his writing, which is why I put it forward here.

mark_alfred

janfromthebruce wrote:

Info about that poll

Miller brings up an Ipsos Reid poll conducted last weekend that found, were he running for a third term, he would win handily.

It's a real shame he didn't run.  Perhaps he'll run next time.

NorthReport

I believe him.

 

Mayor Rob Ford says Liberals ‘blindsided’ him over funding for Toronto Mayor Rob Ford accuses Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Liberal government of “blindsiding” him on a change to funding arrangements for the city of Toronto

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2013/06/24/live_mayor_rob_ford_mee...

janfromthebruce

mark_alfred wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

Info about that poll

Miller brings up an Ipsos Reid poll conducted last weekend that found, were he running for a third term, he would win handily.

It's a real shame he didn't run.  Perhaps he'll run next time.

Well that's what happens when one reads too much into polling. That said, Miller probably thought it was time to go and thought that Glambrook would do just fine. However, the TorStar made sure that digging into his personal life and do a smear on him would ensure their Lib man Smitherman would win.

However, TorStar did not understand how much the Toronto public were just not into Smitherman for mayor after his misdeeds in the McGuinty liberal cabinet. The makeover was a washout.

I didn't agree with what Glanbrock did and was so disappointed in his behaviour. And yet, Ford got elected with a past that was outrageous. It didn't stop people from voting for him.

NorthReport

John Tory considers mayoralty, but stresses no decision has been made  Laughing

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/tory-admitts-he-considering-...

NorthReport

Oh, imagine that.

Is this the best the Toronto Star can do?  

Like Liberals don't stack the airwaves when it's their chance. Laughing

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/25/mayor_rob_ford_friend_was_cal...

 

NorthReport

Is this for real?

A campaign organizer who won't identify himself. 

Karen Stintz off and running in Toronto mayoral race: 

TTC chair Karen Stintz is already on the 2014 election trail in a campaign to defeat Rob Ford and Olivia Chow in Toronto mayoral contest.

 “People like her theme of fiscal responsibility and they like the idea of having a mayor who knows they have to respect voters and respect the image of the city,” says the political consultant, who spoke only on condition of anonymity.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/06/20/karen_stintz_off_an...

mark_alfred

Recent news of David Price being a fake "random caller" to the Fords' radio show and to the Sun media.  Because he got caught, Ford suspended him for a week.

cco

Is there anyone even left at that office now?

cco
Junkyard Dog

One of the upstanding citizens Ford posed with in the infamous crackhouse photo has just pleaded guilty to manslaughter:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/man-tied-rob-ford-scandal-pleads-guilty-manslaughter-153422524.html

He cut a deal with the cops, and is getting a reduced sentence of 9 years. Many of the Ford supporters contributing to the comments section in the above link are complaining very loudly about that while simultaneously screeching that there was nothing sleazy or suspicious or even remotely inappropropriate about their hero posing in pics with convicted killers...outside of a crack house in the middle of the night. Just another tiresome sideshow!

Paladin1

cco wrote:
Is there anyone even left at that office now?

 

I'm sending my resume over to their office..

Unionist

Junkyard Dog wrote:

 Many of the Ford supporters contributing to the comments section in the above link are complaining very loudly about that while simultaneously screeching that there was nothing sleazy or suspicious or even remotely inappropropriate about their hero posing in pics with convicted killers...outside of a crack house in the middle of the night. Just another tiresome sideshow!

Sleazy... suspicious... inappropriate... posing with killers... Guilty! Why don't they just lock him up now? Have these cops never heard of guilt by association??

 

Junkyard Dog

I don't want to get into a pissing contest here, Unionist, but for Christ's sakes, that sort of preening, holier-than-thou horseshit you're spouting is precisely why so many ordinary, non-political people view the left with such unadulterated contempt. Even those who don't necessarily lean rightwards or even particularly right-of-centre.

If a political enemy hands you ammunition on silver platter, then you use it. Is that so difficult to grasp? You don't stupidly bend over backwards to be "fair," especially if the enemy in question is someone like Ford. Which is to say: An unprincipled, dishonorable, mendacious, thuggish, bullying, shameless, self-serving far-right liar and demagogue, who's repeatedly proven that (a.) he can't be trusted, (b.) obviously doesn't feel constrained by any rules whatsoever, (c.) lies practically every time he opens his mouth, and (d.) will not hesitate for an instant to fuck over anyone he considers an enemy, no matter how courteously or decently said enemy treats him in turn. Ford has shown time and again that he holds no loyalty to anyone but himself, unless you count his family and natural allies, which pretty much amounts to the same thing. Being "fair" to such a creature is a mug's game; it's not just foolish or politically naive, it's deliberate political malpractice, and sheer stupidity besides.

If we're speaking in practical terms, it amounts to claiming that if we don't lick Ford's boots as he kicks our teeth down our throats, then we're just as bad as he is. Sorry, I disagree.

Unionist

Junkyard Dog wrote:

If a political enemy hands you ammunition on silver platter, then you use it. Is that so difficult to grasp?

Yup, it is, and I'll tell you why:

1) It's unprincipled.

2) It doesn't ever work - ever.

3) It gets used against you, and you end up whining and wailing and crying and wondering what went wrong.

To win, we need to build a new, fairer, more inspiring world - not just defeat some evil fuck of a mayor who is swiftly replaceable by countless more skillful ones. And we won't build a new world by using the ammunition the enemy hands us. It will inevitably blow up in our faces.

At least, that's what I believe. Very strongly. Mind you, I could be wrong. Anything is possible.

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

The plea deal comes just over 2½ months after admitted killer Nisar Hashimi turned himself in to police in connection with the shooting death of Anthony Smith outside a Toronto nightclub in March. It also means evidence surrounding the crack video controversy won't have to be presented in open court.

Instead, Hashimi has agreed to a sentence of nine years in prison. In exchange, the Crown will not have to present disclosure to the defence, and the police evidence in his case — including wiretaps, surveillance, and any seized cellphones, laptops or videos — won’t be presented in open court.

WHAT?!

Unionist

That makes total sense, Catchfire. The evidence against Hashimi isn't public domain.

If, on the other hand, the Crown felt there were enough material within those wiretaps etc. to charge someone else, they would obviously be free to do so. In that case, and if there were a trial, that same evidence (to the extent required for the Crown's case) would be presented in that court. And, it would all have to be disclosed to that defendant.

If this were Québec, on the other hand, everything would be made public, trial or no trial, charges or no charges, on live TV by the Charbonneau Commission. That's why I choose to live here.

 

 

cco

So, what are the odds he was "encouraged" to take this plea? Perhaps a wealthy individual promised to take care of his family while he's in the hoosegow in exchange for making sure the investigation seals off?

arielc

cco wrote:
So, what are the odds he was "encouraged" to take this plea? Perhaps a wealthy individual promised to take care of his family while he's in the hoosegow in exchange for making sure the investigation seals off?

Smells funny ...
Sapiano, who is not involved in the case, called the plea deal "unprecedented.""In 20 years of practice I have never seen a guilty plea on a homicide without disclosure," said Sapiano. "And in less than three months! There is absolutely something going on here."
"The questions over Rob Ford's possible involvement [with alleged drug dealers] will remain unanswered as a result," he said.

NorthReport
Junkyard Dog

As I stated earlier, many of the Ford supporters contributing to the comments section in the Yahoo report (linked above) are absolutely outraged at the light sentence being given to Hashimi. But it doesn't appear to trouble them in the least that the murderer Hashimi is getting off comparitively lightly solely in order to protect his good buddy Rob Ford. No further scandal there, is there? Undecided

To win, we need to build a new, fairer, more inspiring world - not just defeat some evil fuck of a mayor who is swiftly replaceable by countless more skillful ones. And we won't build a new world by using the ammunition the enemy hands us. It will inevitably blow up in our faces.

At least, that's what I believe. Very strongly. Mind you, I could be wrong. Anything is possible.

You're wrong. Or at the very least, you're partially wrong. I'm all for high-mindedness, and yeah, building a more equitable world is obviously important and necessary...but trying to do that without getting our hands dirty and actually engaging the enemy on their own level is as futile as trying to grow wings and fly. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but there was an election in BC just recently, in which the "leader" of the NDP there evidently figured he could cavalierly tra-la-la-la-la-la his way to victory by campaigning in a way that made him indistinguishable from a doormat. Astonishingly enough, the stupid, useless son of a bitch got his head handed to him on a platter. Goodness! Who ever could have seen that one coming?

I recall a rather grim analysis the late Alexander Cockburn worte about one of Margaret Thatcher's electoral victories; as he put it, every one of the candidates who basically said "Eat the rich" won handily, while most of Labor's self-styled "reasonable" types - those who were desperately trying to be as non-threatening as possible to the general population - largely went down in flames.

Whitewashing the poisonous antics of the Rob Fords of the world - and make no mistake, that's exactly what we do when we refuse to even acknowledge them, never mind dismissing their bad behavior as irrelevant and not important - doesn't come across as "principled" to the nonpolitical types who might be peeled off from Ford's base and be encouraged to vote against him next time. On the contrary, it makes us look weak and cowardly and fundamentally unserious about actually winning elections. It makes us look like losers, when most people are only interested in backing winners (or at the bare minimum, in backing those who at least look like they're trying to win), and worse: It makes us look like suckers.

Especially if the opposition plays dirty. Sitting on our hands and refusing to fight back in the face of uncompromising political hardball doesn't look principled or ethical or moral; it looks like unilateral disarmament. And I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but that doesn't make us look more attractive to potential voters. If all of Ford's recent scandals and blunders had been from a political rival on the left, the Fords and their media allies would have been turning somersaults in midair out of sheer joy...and they would have been right to. The bastards would have been dining out on all the sleaze for months on end, not letting it fade from public consciousness for a single second...and they would have been right to. I'm not talking about the usual lies and hate we get from conservatives and the reactionary right, where they normally have to make shit up out of whole cloth in order to manufacture fake scandals. No, I'm talking about the real thing: If an enemy gives you an opening, then you take it. there's nothing illegitimate about that at all.

Unionist

[url=http://rabble.ca/columnists/2013/06/design-democracy-different-path-toro... for Democracy: A different path for Toronto[/url]

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The allegations that Mayor Ford smokes, or has smoked, crack are just that -- smoke and mirrors --- obscuring the real issue at City Hall, Toronto's public infrastructure is in tatters. There is a window of opportunity to build a smart, green city, but distracted by Mayor Ford's sideshow antics, billions of dollars of infrastructure funds have the possibility of being poorly allocated, while consultation time is wasted, during his time in office.

 

adma

Junkyard Dog wrote:
Sitting on our hands and refusing to fight back in the face of uncompromising political hardball doesn't look principled or ethical or moral; it looks like unilateral disarmament. And I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but that doesn't make us look more attractive to potential voters. If all of Ford's recent scandals and blunders had been from a political rival on the left, the Fords and their media allies would have been turning somersaults in midair out of sheer joy...and they would have been right to. The bastards would have been dining out on all the sleaze for months on end, not letting it fade from public consciousness for a single second...and they would have been right to. I'm not talking about the usual lies and hate we get from conservatives and the reactionary right, where they normally have to make shit up out of whole cloth in order to manufacture fake scandals. No, I'm talking about the real thing: If an enemy gives you an opening, then you take it. there's nothing illegitimate about that at all.

But it's also a matter of *how* one takes advantage of the opening--after all, there've been plenty of defeats at the hands of goons that've happened because of the anti-goons "trying too hard" and coming across as yappy little dogs, yap yap yap yap--and so, the goons kick them away and yap yap yap yap becomes yike yike yike yike come election day.

You can't just yap yap yap: you need something to hit the solar plexus--it could be a devastating sound bite or "bingo" moment; or it could just be projecting oneself and *registering to voters* as a truly valid governing alternative on grounds that go beyond the "reactive".  And some of this may also depend on "assists" from the other end that may come by pure chance.

The McGuinty Liberals in 1999 were yappers; the McGuinty Liberals in 2003 hit the solar plexus.

NorthReport

Rob Ford's approval rating climbs in wake of crack allegations

http://www.straight.com/blogra/396206/rob-fords-approval-rating-climbs-w...

CanadaOrangeCat

If road resurfacing is public infrastructure, Toronto is doing well. The Warden/401 intersection is much better, and so is Avenue Rd. north of Bloor. More areas are getting ripped up, but it does not seem to take them long to finish. This is providing work for the construction workers, and reducing wear and tear on the preferred means of Toronto transportation: The car. Meanwhile, Ford's popularity numbers are improving.

It must be an alternate universe or something. 

NorthReport

Just sayin'

How Rob Ford Could Lead Again

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford didn't get his $50 million, but Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne may have given him the next election instead. Politics is a game. The ones who know how to play it rise to the top and usually don't underestimate their opponent. I think Premier Wynne was blinded by all the bad news that's hounded Mayor Ford for the last few months and thought she could cut $150 million in transfer payments to Toronto and make Mayor Ford look bad.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/shireen-jeejeebhoy/rob-ford-subways_b_35232...

Junkyard Dog

Meanwhile, a group of news media organizations have pooled their resources in trying to uncover certain truths:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/ford-scandal-prompts-court-fight-over-drug-gun-084319896.html

The howler monkeys from Ford's fan base are in fine form in the comments section in the above link. One half wit pules about the "Communist Broadcasting Corp," while all of them are screeching about "lefties," "leftards," and (of course) the "leftist," "liberal" media. They seem to have missed that the groups looking into Project Traveller here include the 'liberal' Globe & Mail and that well-known left wing monolith, Sun Media. Of course, this particular brand of simpleton tends to be, shall we say, a tad selective about which facts to acknowledge, and which to ignore.

mohan

The Toronto Star posted this song by Torontonian Jenny James about Rob Ford

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/07/05/mayor_rob_ford_new_song_praises_the_cost_cowboy.html

cco

Rob's going off the rails on a gravy train...

onlinediscountanvils

video: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_vCpKUNRBEw]Mayor Ford clueless about LRT during debate on Jul 16 2013[/url]

Junkyard Dog

It's curious to see so little commentary in this thread since the feckless Liberals and our even more feckless City Council handed Boss Hogg an enormous propaganda victory on a silver platter. Yeah, it's far from certain that Ford's fantasy subway deal is going to go through, but even supposing that turns out to be the case, it still never should have been allowed to get this far.

One thing's for certain: Those of you who continue to bizarrely insist that Ford's just a harmless incompetent, incapable of causing any real damage by himself, have just been proven 100 % dead wrong. A more competent right winger or right-of-centre type would have known enough to cut their losses and move on when it became clear they weren't going to get their way. Not Ford; with schoolyard bully persistency, he simply kept demanding for what he wanted until he got it, reality be damned. And this after the infamous debate that's linked to just above, in which it's crystal clear that Mayor Lying Sack of Shit obviously didn't know what the hell he was talking about when it came to the whole subway issue.  But then, the genuinely stupid usually don't have any real notion of their own limitations, which can lead to the most unlikely victories at times.

Looking at the title of this thread, and considering what's actually hppening in Detroit right now, one can't help wondering if this is going to prove to be some kind of tipping point for the worse as far as Toronto's future is concerned. And all thanks to a gang of soulless political hacks desperately trying to buy votes from a reactionary 'constituency' that wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

Unionist

Does this mean we are no longer attacking Rob Ford for his "conflict of interest" (remember that?) or his crack smoking (remember that?) or his sexual harassment or his cavorting with underworld characters or attacking the MSM?

What's left?

Oh yeah, his ultra-right-wing "populist" anti-people policies.

Nah, people will never understand that. Over their heads. Gotta wait for another scandal that sticks.

 

Junkyard Dog

Awww, sure is tough up on that cross, isn't it, Unionist? Or maybe I should pose that question to our heroic Mayor, seeing as his campaign theme for the upcoming electoral season is obviously going to be: "Rob Ford, History's Greatest Victim." A charming piece of obvious bullshit propaganda that you have just brainlessly validated. Again.

It's a funny thing about your little list; I must have missed the part were somebody put a gun to Ford's head and forced him to break conflict of interest laws, or commit sexual harrassment or cavort with underworld characters. All of which he's done. And all of which would bring out the usual right wing screamers in full force if committed by anyone remotely liberal or leftist, with nobody screaming louder than Ford himself were this behavior coming from a political enemy. And never even mind the alleged crack smoking video, which the police were treating as real, as were the idiot fanboys in Ford Nashun, as quoted variations of "What the man does in his own time is his business!!!!" in every online news commentary section at the time amptly proved. Those hypocritical fuckers would be calling for slimy bastard's head on a platter if he were a lefty (or "leftard," as they like to call us), but since they think he's one of them, that kind of sleaze is automatically upgraded to being perfectly legitimate behavior in their eyes.

Which won't stop them from flip-flopping on a dime and calling for the harshest imaginable penalties the next time someone on our side of the fence is so much as rumored to have taken a few puffs on a joint during his/her teen years. But never mind that.

What's left?

Oh yeah, his ultra-right-wing "populist" anti-people policies.

Nah, people will never understand that. Over their heads. Gotta wait for another scandal that sticks.

As I have repeatedly tried to point out here, there is nothing wrong with doing both. Of course hammer the rotten sack of shit for his ultra-right-wing "populist" anti-people stances. Who said otherwise? But there is nothing illegitimate with using the man's own outrageous behavior against him. It's deliberate political malpractice to piously avert our eyes from the numerous Ford scandals and barely pause to wipe the snot off our faces as we disdainfully sniff that gentlemen simply don't stoop to such vulgarities, don'cha know. "Gasp! Why that would be...unchivalrous!"

Give me a fucking break. Let Ford reap what he's sown. Maybe you haven't noticed, but in the real world, that's what people want to happen to their political enemies. You're implying the Ford scandals had no traction because they were without merit. No, they're simply running the course of their natural lifespans and Ford appearing to have emerged victorious is due to him shamelesly brazening out the entire series of self-manufactured messes. But more importantly, he's being allowed to do so by our gutless, chickeshit political system, which clearly has no clue how to handle someone this over-the-top crooked and corrupt. As our useless Premiere and the invertebrates on Toronto City Council nicely proved just recently.

toaster

Mayor Ford campaigned hard against the Liberals today, saying "If you don't want to vote Conservative, vote NDP".

mark_alfred

If you're curious what happened to the Crackstarter funds, here's the answer:  link.

Unionist

mark_alfred wrote:

If you're curious what happened to the Crackstarter funds, here's the answer:  link.

So, after paying fees to Paypal and Indiegogo, Gawker was left with only $184,782.61 - not enough to pay the alleged vendors of the alleged video the alleged $200,000 which they were allegedly demanding. What a pathetic joke.

toaster wrote:
Mayor Ford campaigned hard against the Liberals today, saying "If you don't want to vote Conservative, vote NDP".

Good for him!

Junkyard Dog wrote:
Awww, sure is tough up on that cross, isn't it, Unionist?

I'll admit there's some short-term suffering involved... But think of the returns! I'll be back in three days to start up a world-wide crowd-sourced Ponzi scheme which will enrich my loyal cronies for millennia to come!

nicky

Unionist, perhaps if you lived in Toronto insted of Montreal you would take a different view of things.

Your mayors are merely finacially corrupt. We on the other hand have Rob Ford.

Unionist

nicky wrote:

Unionist, perhaps if you lived in Toronto insted of Montreal you would take a different view of things.

Your mayors are merely finacially corrupt. We on the other hand have Rob Ford.

Nicky - I sympathize - I really do. But tell me where my logic is wrong:

If the left goes around whispering and shouting: "Rob Ford smokes crack! He consorts with Somali drug lords!! He uses his mayor's letterhead to fundraise for his soccer kids! He pats women's butts! He's nasty to reporters!!! He's overweight and rude and annoying!!!!" - then you are doomed to have Rob Ford, or some cheap knock-off, in power forever.

Why? Because that's exactly the kind of cheap sensationalist scandals which are constantly used to undermine progressive politicians. We can't use those methods.

Of course, if Rob Ford has actually done something wrong, go after him. But make sure it's something really wrong. I would have loved to see a charge of sexual assault, for example. Instead, we get court cases about microscopic technicalities of conflict of interest laws.

If you can't get people to vote against him on the basis of his political actions, then Toronto is f***ed. Why compound the agony by salivating over periodic scandals - the sad part being that nothing even sticks to him?

So, that's my argument.

 

mark_alfred

Mohamed Siad is the man who showed Robyn Doolittle and Kevin Donovan the video of Rob Ford incoherently rambling racist and homophobic slurs while smoking what appears to be crack cocaine.  Apparently he was arrested during the police action code-named "Project Traveller".  Here's the Star story.

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