Ford Desecration Pt IV - the march to Detroit continues

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Junkyard Dog

It's strange to see so little recent commentary here about Hizzoner since Mayor McCheese has hardly been what you'd call "idle" during the past few weeks. Rather the reverse, in fact. Maybe people just don't want to think about him, which I can certainly sympathise with. God knows I'll be happy when Ford finally slithers out of the public spotlight for good, and I never have to think about him again.

Enzo Di Matteo of Now Magazine did a pretty good summation last week of what appears to be both anti- and pro-Ford factions at work within the Toronto police force, as well as all the underlying politics at work. I thought it was worth posting a link to, so here it 'tis:

http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=194745

There really is an unsavory presence at City Hall these days, which has nothing to do with Politics As Usual. As I've repeatedly said here, ordinary politicians just don't pull the kind of stunts that the Fords do, as this weekend's payback against Paul Ainslie more than proves.

Sineed

OK, let's predict what will happen: Paul Ainslie will go to the Integrity Commissioner, who probably will rule in Ainslie's favour, and Ford will continue to remain defiant, insisting that he steps on toes sometimes because he's working so hard on behalf of the little guy, he sometimes forgets his manners (or a similar spin). And nothing will change because we don't know what to do when the wrong-doer refuses to be penitent.

nicky

This headline pretty much sums it up about Ford:

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/10/15/councillor_paul_ainslie_calls_mayor_rob_ford_a_bully_and_a_liar_after_robocalls.html#

 

And this from one of his former allies and member of his Executive Committee!!!!!

mark_alfred

Naturally Doug Ford is weighing into it as well:  link.  Here's the CBC article with a video of both Ainslie's statement and Rob Ford's statement:  link.

Quote:

On Tuesday, Ainslie called the move a "blatant act of political thuggery" and accused Ford of using his "bully pulpit" to push an early campaign agenda.

"I didn’t as he says, lead a charge against subways in Scarborough,” Ainslie said.  “What I did was lead a charge against a tax hike and no financial clarity.”

mark_alfred

Unionist wrote:

Yeah, it may be pertinent, but some non-anonymous proof or evidence would be nice. Otherwise, to repeat myself, it is gutter journalism.

Don't you agree?

Apparently the Ontario Press Council does not agree with you.  link

Quote:
Canada's two largest newspapers acted responsibly and in the public interest in reporting on drug allegations against Mayor Rob Ford and his brother, Coun. Doug Ford, the Ontario Press Council ruled Wednesday.

Junkyard Dog

And this from one of his former allies and member of his Executive Committee!!!!!

Oh, I know. I don't doubt that Ford is an absolute nightmare to work for. If I remember correctly, one of the details about the dismissal of his former Chief of Staff Mark Towhey was that Ford's tantrums whenever Towhey informed him of unwelcome facts would usually include Ford "firing" the man, only to later behave as if nothing of the sort had happened once His Oafship had managed to calm down. This was a regular occurrence, apparently. Unitil (of course) Towhey was finally let go for good.

Two things of particular interest about our tinpot tyrant's ham-fisted little game of Robocall Revenge: (1.) It's unassailable proof of Ainslie's charge of Ford being a bully, and (2.) Note that this is how Ford reacts in the aftermath of a huge win; He couldn't simply bask in his victory and let Ainsley quietly resign from his Executive Committee, which would have suited Ford's purposes just fine. Hell, if Mayor Moron had had the wit to just leave well enough alone and make a few vaguely supportively comments about Ainsley's decision in the media - you know, the way an adult would have - it actually would have made him look good! But no, he just couldn't resist ratfucking someone - and a former ally, no less - who'd gone against his will. You stay classy, Rob Ford!

Sineed

The Globe explains the genesis of their Globe story on the Ford family's involvement in the drug trade:

Public Editor: The Fords, the facts, and the use of anonymous sources

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/community/inside-the-globe/public-editor-...

Quote:

So, in the interest of greater transparency, here is the backstory on The Globe’s allegations that Doug Ford sold hashish as a young man.

The story started when reporter Greg McArthur and freelance writer Shannon Kari paired up to do a profile of the newly elected mayor and his prominent family. As the reporters interviewed people who knew the Fords, all the conversations quickly turned to Doug Ford and allegations of his drug dealing.

I think I mentioned this upthread, but I have personally heard these allegations myself, from some patients at a methadone clinic where I used to work in 2006, around the time when Wendy Ford was shot in the face.

Quote:

This took the two reporters on an 18-month journey, interviewing dozens of sources and narrowing down the key interviews to those who said they had direct knowledge of the alleged drug dealing. They checked court records; they also used FaceBook and details from other sources to confirm that the sources were involved, corroborating facts at every turn. Then the reporters, senior editors and, in some cases, a lawyer revisited the key sources to confirm their details. Extensive efforts were made to convince the sources to go on the record, but in the end they were concerned that their background would taint them or make it difficult to cross the border.

So the sources were anonymous to the public, but the reporters knew exactly who they were. Some of these sources were people who had a history of drug addiction and incarceration. 

More from the public editor at the Globe:

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Many don’t know the Supreme Court of Canada has said that “some form of legal protection for the confidential relationship between journalists and their anonymous sources is required.” ... Justice Edward Belobaba of the Ontario Superior Court found “little to no public interest” in forcing the paper to reveal its sources. “Unless the media can offer anonymity in situations where sources would otherwise dry up, freedom of expression in debate on matters of public interest would be badly compromised,” he wrote. “Important stories will be left untold.”

The Fords are wealthy and powerful, have friends in government at both the provincial and federal levels, and have an unknown amount of influence over Toronto Police Service. People making these allegations took a great personal risk, even doing it anonymously. 

 

 

 

Sineed

Ford is running out of journalistic allies.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/10/21/i-am-so-f-------mad-at-you-rob-ford...

Joe Warmington of the Toronto Sun wrote:

TORONTO - I call it as I see it, Mr. Mayor, and will continue to do so.

No matter how mad you get at me.

And in an unsolicited call to my cellular at about 6 p.m. Sunday, Mayor Rob Ford clearly indicated how irate he is.

It was not a robocall, but Ford live and furious.

"I am so f------ mad at you right now," he screamed, berating me over the line.

When I told him "I don't care," he became even more enraged.

He said "I am so f----- -angry" several times as I stepped away from the dinner table to take the surprise call.

It seems he was upset about my Thursday column.

In it, I called him out for what I thought was an unfair lambasting of a city employee caught in a picture appearing to be asleep--particularly when he himself has been embroiled in many controversies.

He took offence.

Jonathon Goldsbie tweeted that the Mayor's office is now saying Ford made the call "by mistake."

quizzical

whose wendy ford and why was she shot in the face?

bekayne

quizzical wrote:

whose wendy ford and why was she shot in the face?

Sister

Aristotleded24

So I saw on CBC that Karen Stintz has put her hat in the ring for Mayor.

So, is Olivia going to run? If so, she doesn't have that much time left to make that decision and run. Sure, she might have more name recognition than Judy Wasylicia-Leis had in Winnipeg, but she still needs a long time to focus on building her campaign team so she's in a position to take on Ford. My general belief is that (especially in a large city) that someone who wants to effectively challenge a sitting mayor needs about 1 year to be successful.

nicky

Our beloved mayor has graciously welcomed Karen Stintz into to mayor's race with a promise that the campaign will be a "bloodbath."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mayor-rob-ford-says-2014-campaign-will-be-a-bloodbath-1.2254963?cmp=rss

In keeping with his anti-gravy train meme I would not be surprisd to see him play this card:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2009/03/24/city_paid_4500_to_fix_politicians_shrill_voice.html

 

Junkyard Dog

Man, it's simply astonishing that Stintz would be dim-witted enough to hand Mayor Cartman such ammunition, and practically on a silver platter, no less. I daresay she'll be genuinely shocked when Ford actually has the bad taste to attack her over this. I'm on the verge of sniggering, but honestly, the whole thing just seems weirdly indicative of the fact that Ford's supposed peers refuse to see that he's not a typical politician, especially how the Fords are positively gleeful about steamrolling over whoever happens to get in their way. I imagine she'll be as surprised as our dear Prime Minister must have been when it finally penetrated that fellow scumbag Mike Duffy had no intention on falling on his sword for him. This is all the more hilarious when you consider Stintz was instrumental in giving Ford his recent big win on the Scarborough subway issue. Ye gods!

nicky

There are some very bad numbers for Ford in the Forum Poll released today:

 

http://www.forumresearch.com/forms/News%20Archives/News%20Releases/37016_TO_Mayoral-Council_Approval_%282013.10.30%29_Forum_Research.pdf

 

In another poll, the public strongly favours the 7 station LRT plan over Ford's more expensive three stop subway:

 

http://www.forumresearch.com/forms/News%20Archives/News%20Releases/64277_TO_Scarborough_Subway_%282013.10.30%29_Forum_Research.pdf

 

 

mark_alfred

John Lancaster and Jamie Strashin of CBC report that police are in possession of the crack video. 

 

Strashin:  "Cheif Blair says police are in possession of "relevant video file" that has been subject of media reports."

Lancaster:  "Police now have @TOMayorFord alleged crack video."

 

link

ETA:  Bill Blair stated, "We have recovered a digital video file that is consistent with what has been described in media reports."

I myself am sometimes a bit cranky in the morning --> link

Centrist

mark_alfred wrote:
Lancaster:  "Police now have @TOMayorFord alleged crack video."

Junkyard Dog

Gawker, unsurprisingly, is engaging in just a bit of gloating about Blair's press conference. Here's th' link:

http://gawker.com/its-a-rememberance-poppy-1456074762

The comments section at the above item is sweeter by far than any Halloween candy! Tee hee!

Nice to see the cops blow the lid off of Mayor Cartman's lies regarding the video "that doesn't exist." Time for a gloat: Heh, heh, heh! That said, we all know Ford isn't going anywhere...voluntarily, at least. Back when the crack story first hit, the comments sections for all the online news stories covering it were full of his supporters bellowing variations on "What the man does in his personal life is his own business!" In other words, Ford's fanboys believed the allegations, but were perfectly willing to give it a pass. As with the Republican Tea Party types who condone illegal, questionable, or out-and-out psychotic behavior in their own people that they'd want to crucify their political enemies for. But then, that's tribalism for you.

I saw the first poll Nicky mentions quoted on City Tv's 24 news station last night, and was heartened to note that the majority of people in Toronto are capable of recognizing the kind of creature Ford really is. If this poll is accurate, his level of support is still much higher than it should be, rather shockingly so...but at least most of us see him for the fraud he is. That's something.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

While a majority of voters see him for the slime he is unfortunately all he needs to win is a plurality.

Joey Ramone

Frankly, I'm sick of all this gloating over media coverage of Ford's friends and his drug use.  All this does is feed the perception of many voters that Ford's opponents can't beat him on policy issues, so have to resort to smearing him.  I'm with those who say we should focus on how the policies of the right hurt Toronto.  Only by beating Ford and the right on real issues, not who they associate with or what they ingest in their free time, will a new City Council be able to claim a real mandate for change.  All this crap about Ford's drug use and his friends really only serves to undermine that work.  I don't want him forced out by a scandal or by a judge, I want him voted out because he's a bad mayor.

mersh

I agree with the ghost of Joey Ramone. He's probably already hired Navigator, etc. The Fords' tactic of constantly keeping people off balance might even work in his/their favour here. We have yet to see any consistent or coherent opposition at council. Having one of the other forty seven conservatives who are likely to run take his place wouldn't necessarily lead to better results. Probably less yelling. The Board of Trade would certainly be happy, which doesn't really warm my socialist heart.

janfromthebruce

Ford has repeatedly lied to the public and thus this shows a deep flaw in his character. Conservatives' brand has always been about accountability, transparency and crime and punishment. This shows that Ford is a phony who will lie.

mark_alfred

Joey Ramone wrote:

Frankly, I'm sick of all this gloating over media coverage of Ford's friends and his drug use. 

[..]

Only by beating Ford and the right on real issues, not who they associate with or what they ingest in their free time, will a new City Council be able to claim a real mandate for change.

[..]

I don't want him forced out by a scandal or by a judge, I want him voted out because he's a bad mayor.

I think much of whom he was associating with was done on work time.  But, this could be an argument for why he's a good mayor.  After all, Ford and his associations led to the police removing a lot of illegal weapons off the street through Project Traveller.  Ford hanging out in variety stores paying off thugs instead of wasting time at City Hall led to the removal of these weapons. Good work Ford!

 

Don't make a scandal of Ford's worktime endeavours!  After all, Ford's work above led to apprehension of....

 

mersh

I agree that Ford's character is flawed. That hasn't stopped him from succeeding in privatizing a nice chunk of public services, mobilizing three levels of government funding for a subway that is going to cost Torontonians an extra billion dollars over the proposed LRT, and paralyzing any real, organized opposition to him or Ford Nation. He may have lied about the video, his use of drugs, etc., but the dude lies every day by that measure, over much more important issues: the budget, his critics, etc. He's a farce, and when his time is over, we will likely have a less-ranty conservative mayor who will probably sell off the rest of our garbage collection, cut services etc.

And I'm not sure the conservative brand really is hurting. Lots of compassionate, reasonable folks on the right of the spectrum are lined up to fill Ford's spot. What Ford has shown us is that the political really is visceral, non-rational and power-based. Appeals to logic and thought are nice Enlightenment trappings, but won't necessarily carry the day. If they did, pinko vegan cyclists would probably have a greater chance of running this town.

 

mark_alfred

Dave Calder wrote:
It's all starting to make sense now

Junkyard Dog

As some of you may have noticed at the time, the following took place just a couple of weeks ago: Mayor Cartman called a press conference to publicly blast a worker for the city that he claimed was sleeping on the job. Here's a link:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/mayor-rob-ford-blasts-slacking-city-workers/article14896545/#dashboard/follows/

Ford and his sidekick Giorgio Mammoliti - the latter enacting the role of the schoolyard bully's nasty little friend who sucks up to the bully so that he won't get personally picked on - seized on this latest "proof" of evil, lazy, government parasites preying on the all-holy taxpayer, and (of course) exploited the deliberately manufactued tempest-in-a-teapot for all the self-promotion they could wring from it. But the really funny thing was that, once again, Ford was screeching about something that he himself was not exactly innocent of:

http://drivingtheporcelainbus.blogspot.ca/2011/07/rob-ford-sleeps-through-deputations.html

That's ri-iii-ight. In full view of several hundred witnesses, Mayor Moron was fast asleep while he was supposed to be on the job, showing nothing but contempt for the citizens - taxpayers, even - who he'd invited there himself to lodge their complaints. People were actually watching the oaf while he slept, and for all we know, they heard him snoring. A far cry from the poor schmoe he and Mammo had ambushed with their latest l'il "Gotcha!" moment of scapegoating city employees. After all, we have only their word for it that the man they were smearing was actually asleep, and at the time they claimed (10:30 in the morning). Call me picky, call me hard to please, but given the rather selective relationship those two have with the truth, I don't think their word alone is good enough. Depending on when the man's shift began, he could only have been resting his head momentarily while taking a legitimate break. I've seen that sort of thing plenty at my various jobs. But I guess city employees simply aren't allowed breaks anymore...unless they're a nutty, far right Mayor, that is. In that case, you can take naps at public meetings, in front of hundreds of colleagues and citizens alike, and then go on to excoriate far less powerful figures for supposedly doing exactly the same thing that you're demonstrably guilty of.

So, why am I bringing this up now? To illustrate that you don't fight back against a street fighter, especially a dirty fighter, like Rob "Cracky" Ford with little more than good intentions. I knew we'd be getting comments along the lines of Joey Ramone's here this morning, and the sad thing is, I don't particularly disagree: Of course I'd prefer to see His Oafship kicked out of office because of his toxic, anti-people policies and the fact that he's a horrible Mayor. The way I differ is that I recognize we can't just float above it all on a gossamer cloud of pink perfume, as if none of Ford's ugly personal behavior has no bearing on him holding on to his job. You don't give him a pass on things that he attacks others for and that he himself is guilty of. That's just common sense, fer Chrissakes.

He's a farce, and when his time is over, we will likely have a less-ranty conservative mayor who will probably sell off the rest of our garbage collection, cut services etc.

This is true, but if the alternative is letting Ford do anything he damn well likes, and get away with sorts of nasty shit in the process, well, I gotta say that's not exactly appealing.

NorthReport

And why should he!

Anyways leave Harper's buddy right where he is as he is doing much more harm than good to the Con cause, eh!

And it cuts through all the raw-raw Toronto BS at the same time. And never ever underestimate the stupidity of the Canadian, er Toronto voters.

terrytowel

Rob Ford just spoke to the press and said he will NOT resign. Saying there is no reason to resign.

“I have no reason to resign. I’m going to go back and return my phone calls. I’m going to be out doing what the people elected me to do and that’s save taxpayers’ money and run a great government that we’ve been running,” Mr. Ford told a crush of journalists outside his office.

In a statement lasting just one minute, the mayor also said: “I think everybody’s seen the allegations against me today. I wish I could come out and defend myself, but unfortunately I can’t because it’s before the courts.”

Sineed

The Harpos had pinned their hopes on Ford, hoping the election of a right-wing mayor would bode well for their candidates, who have been largely frozen out by all us chardonnay-sipping cyclists. But yes; the Bros Fo are doing incalculable damage to the Conservative brand.

Joey Ramone wrote:
Only by beating Ford and the right on real issues...

Like Junkyard Dog, I think Joey's sentiment is laudable. But Ford is like a stinking dead skunk rotting in the middle of my high road. We could just hold our noses and step past quickly and quietly. But Ford's hypocrisy is a "real" issue, and the fact that he has been a lying liar in his personal life AND he has actually impeded the transit file while claiming the opposite, and cost us a minimum of one billion dollars more while claiming "Respect for taxpayers" isn't just a coincidence.

To the "let's just talk about the issues" people: do you really think someone can be an ethical and effective politician while at the same time they are a vile human being?

janfromthebruce

Interestng that the surveilance filmed Ford with little wee packages and packages being placed in his car and not one bothered to pull him over and investigate? The only reason Ford isn't charged is that no cop bothered to check the packages of "whatever".

This will go to court but if the goddess shines down perhaps it will happen right in the middle of the election, but the wheels of justice never move fast enough.

WanderingWolf

janfromthebruce wrote:

Interestng that the surveilance filmed Ford with little wee packages and packages being placed in his car and not one bothered to pull him over and investigate? The only reason Ford isn't charged is that no cop bothered to check the packages of "whatever".

This will go to court but if the goddess shines down perhaps it will happen right in the middle of the election, but the wheels of justice never move fast enough.

 

They haven't got this headed up by a renowned homicide detective just for the hell of it. I figure Giroux is there for a reason. Everything went sideways for them on the Anthony Smith case when Nasir Hashimi took the fall, but I think they're still sitting on yet more. We shall see.

cco

Sineed wrote:
do you really think someone can be an ethical and effective politician while at the same time they are a vile human being?

Isn't that the argument for Mulcair?

mark_alfred

Linux Today article on recovering files wrote:
On any file system, deleting a file doesn't necessarily mean that it is gone for good. When a file is removed, its meta data is gone, but actual file data is untouched inside the file system, until the location of the data is overwritten by other file data.

Even the Sun is saying he should be gone, along with all the other major dailies.  It's interesting, because he's no different than he was just a day ago, yet suddenly, because Ford's buddy foolishly didn't make sure the file was truly gone, he's now persona non grata.  Well, I suppose I could ponder that for a while, but, I think instead....

 

 

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

cco wrote:
Sineed wrote:
do you really think someone can be an ethical and effective politician while at the same time they are a vile human being?
Isn't that the argument for Mulcair?

 

:)

Unionist

Joey Ramone wrote:

Frankly, I'm sick of all this gloating over media coverage of Ford's friends and his drug use.  All this does is feed the perception of many voters that Ford's opponents can't beat him on policy issues, so have to resort to smearing him.  I'm with those who say we should focus on how the policies of the right hurt Toronto.  Only by beating Ford and the right on real issues, not who they associate with or what they ingest in their free time, will a new City Council be able to claim a real mandate for change.  All this crap about Ford's drug use and his friends really only serves to undermine that work.  I don't want him forced out by a scandal or by a judge, I want him voted out because he's a bad mayor.

Thank you, Joey. We need to keep repeating that - otherwise some smarter (i.e. more Harper-like) clone of Ford will be there to take his place.

Here's what I said last year in this thread, before the crack video ever was mentioned:

Unionist, on November 27, 2012 wrote:

This is another deal like Margaret Wente plagiarizing, or Bev Oda ordering $16 OJ, or Al Capone evading taxes. People's understandable schadenfreude overshadows the plain fact that what brings these characters down is not their real crimes, but some irrelevancy. We even try to convince ourselves that what he did (letterhead, participating in the vote, etc.) is really terrible, when actually it's nothing. Unless he's brought down for the right reasons, he'll be back - with a strong sympathy vote for having been persecuted by the enemies of "democracy".

I took heat for that. See, when it comes to your enemies, anything goes - tear them to shreds - and whitewash your friends' every sin. That's another name for partisan politics.

And thanks for the Mulcair analogy, cco. Brilliant!

 

mark_alfred

When it comes to your friends, anything goes - tear them to shreds - and whitewash your enemies' every sin.  That's another name for puritan politics.

cco

WanderingWolf wrote:

They haven't got this headed up by a renowned homicide detective just for the hell of it. I figure Giroux is there for a reason. Everything went sideways for them on the Anthony Smith case when Nasir Hashimi took the fall, but I think they're still sitting on yet more. We shall see.


David Simon wrote:

The homicide unit’s proven ability to investigate any incident and then document that investigation means that it is likely to be called on to handle politically sensitive investigations: a drowning at a city swimming pool where civil liability might result, a series of harassing phone calls to the mayor’s chief of staff, a lengthy probe of a state legislator’s bizarre claim that he was abducted by mysterious enemies...[T]he general rule is that if something looks like a shitstorm, smells like a shitstorm and tastes like a shitstorm, it goes to homicide. The headquarters food chain demands it.

Now, there is at least one homicide that may be at issue in this case, but the simple involvement of a homicide detective doesn't automatically mean the police are looking to pin a murder charge on Ford or Lisi. They're just the A team when a case is prominent enough, because they're used to the bright lights. They can be counted on not to leak details, to cross all their t's, and (unlike narcotics officers where the opportunities for corruption are far more common) to have fairly clean noses in case the heat gets turned up on them.

nicky

Unionist seems to treat the recent revelations as vindication for his views rather than refutation.

I agre that personal attacks in politics often go too far, particulalry where they are based on distortion and vindictiveness. I don't think that the press should beseige Ford's home for example.

But there comes a point when a politician's character is relevant to the job he is doing or seeking.

That point has long been passed by Ford. He is a politician who has not refrained from smearing his opponents, claiming credit for things he has not done, distorting the truth, and outright lying, over and over and over.

An attitude like Unionist's has allowed him to get away with his for far too long and to do immense harm to my city. 

I wonder if Unionist is prepared to forgive the moral corruption of the munipal policians in his own city and urge that citizens cast their votes based only on the "issues"?

 

MegB

Best way to defeat Ford or any Ford clone is for progressives to produce a mayoral candidate who can win. Of course, by the time they finish arguing over who is "progressive enough", the election will be over and Toronto will be stuck with another nightmare mayor.

terrytowel

Ford lawyer just released a statement saying he now wants Blair to release the video. Saying it would vindicate him, as he was smoking TOBACCO. And no one can prove otherwise.

That is Ford's lawyer.

 

Unionist

nicky wrote:

Unionist seems to treat the recent revelations as vindication for his views rather than refutation.

Of course I do. Whether Rob Ford smokes crack or not is of no concern to progressive people - except, of course, if he's in denial and avoiding seeking help for dependence.

What has changed? Bill Blair, that paragon of G20 virtue, announces that the video sort of maybe exists.

Was that really, ever, the question for us? Of course not. It's a big big issue for the right-wing media and Ford's political soulmates, though. Now that the CHIEF has come out and confirmed, it's time to get rid of Ford. He can't credibly pursue the agenda any more. Time to find someone cleaner and prettier.

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An attitude like Unionist's has allowed him to get away with his for far too long and to do immense harm to my city.

If it helps, I hereby take full responsibility for the destruction of your city at the hands of Rob Ford.

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I wonder if Unionist is prepared to forgive the moral corruption of the munipal policians in his own city and urge that citizens cast their votes based only on the "issues"?

[MY EMPHASIS]

"Moral" corruption? Hahahahahahaha. My municipal politicians would never stoop to such subtle flaws. They just steal and bribe and cheat and defraud and work with the Hells and the Mafia.

But yes. I forgive them all. The weak of flesh, the moneylenders, those who seek out the ways of evil. I forgive them, from the bottom of my heart.

------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, how about dealing with some actually, like, interesting questions. Here's one:

Why did Blair make this announcement???

 

wage zombie

mersh wrote:

What Ford has shown us is that the political really is visceral, non-rational and power-based. Appeals to logic and thought are nice Enlightenment trappings, but won't necessarily carry the day. If they did, pinko vegan cyclists would probably have a greater chance of running this town.

Isn't this an argument FOR emphasizing the video and Ford's other shady dealings?

wage zombie

terrytowel wrote:

Ford lawyer just released a statement saying he now wants Blair to release the video. Saying it would vindicate him, as he was smoking TOBACCO. And no one can prove otherwise.

That is Ford's lawyer.

Wow that's rich.  Nobody smokes tobacco out of a crack pipe.  Rob Ford's got quite the audacity.

wage zombie

Unionist wrote:

What has changed? Bill Blair, that paragon of G20 virtue, announces that the video sort of maybe exists.

He announced that the video definitely exists and the authorities have a copy.  Which leads people to believe that the video will eventually be publically viewable.  That's what's changed.

lagatta

Do we have to be vegans?

Unionist

wage zombie wrote:

Unionist wrote:

What has changed? Bill Blair, that paragon of G20 virtue, announces that the video sort of maybe exists.

He announced that the video definitely exists and the authorities have a copy.  Which leads people to believe that the video will eventually be publically viewable.  That's what's changed.

Why on earth did Blair make that announcement?

I haven't seen the MSM even bother to ASK that question.

Who ever heard of, "we have a video of the Mayor smoking crack" - even when charges are laid?? Let alone, before charges are laid??

 

mark_alfred

lagatta wrote:

Do we have to be vegans?

I'm almost a vegan -- at home, anyway, though outside I'll have veggie pizza with cheese.

Anyway, ignoring Ford's antics along with the miserable job he does (when he bothers to show up) just feeds the myth that public service and public servants are not important and need not be a focus or even be present (IE, best for the private sector to manage things).  Being mayor is an important job, as important as any other, and should be done with a professional and serious attitude, and further politicians should be allowed to have the resources to properly do the job, rather than belittling the need for resources and belittling the need even to be soberly present.  So, Ford's antics should not be ignored.  And thus, no one here is going to spoil my schadenfreude over the video being unearthed by the cops.

Here's an interesting article that speculates on what may occur in the future.

terrytowel

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford's lawyer is calling on police to release the video they say they now have in their possession.

In an interview with NEWSTALK 1010, lawyer Dennis Morris said, now that Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair says investigators are in possession of the video, it's the public's turn to weigh the evidence.

"Let the public see it. Let the public judge for themselves," Morris said Friday morning, adding that he's speaking on behalf of the mayor.

Morris slammed Blair for announcing Thursday that police had recovered a previously deleted video file that allegedly shows Ford smoking from what appears to be a crack pipe.

Morris said he'd like to see Blair state, under oath, that's he's seen video of Ford smoking crack cocaine.

"I'd like him to say that under oath,” he said. ”I know he can't."

Morris added that Ford looks "great" in light of the document released Thursday that shows police launched an investigation in the days after reports of the alleged video first made headlines.

"The 500 pages show beyond doubt that he's not been involved in any crack cocaine transaction or smoking crack cocaine," Morris said, adding that despite all the police resources used during the probe, police failed to lay any charges against Ford.

"Did they get any charge out of that at all?" he asked.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-mayor-rob-ford-s-lawyer-wants-video...

terrytowel

From 2005

Toronto should consider building crematoria beside crack houses if the city’s proposed drug strategy is implemented, city councillor Rob Ford warned yesterday.

The councillor, who has battled addiction in his own family, blasted a new report by Toronto Public Health on combating alcohol and drug use in the city. The report recommends the city distribute crack pipes and other paraphernalia to addicts and explore opening safe injection and inhalation sites.

“It’s euthanasia. You’re just giving them a place to kill themselves. That’s what is going to happen. You might as well just have a crematorium beside the crack house,” Mr. Ford said.

He said these “harm reduction” strategies only encourage addicts to continue their drug use.

“You’re not helping them, you’re enabling them,” Mr. Ford said. “They’re going to smoke that crack whether you give them those crack pipes or not. They’re going to shoot that heroin whether you give them clean needles or not. If people want a change, it has to come from within.”

Mr. Ford has vocally opposed the city’s support of harm-reduction strategies in the past, including a program at the Seaton House shelter that distributes wine and cigarettes to addicts.

According to the drug strategy, such harm-reduction measures as “safer crack use kits” may prevent the spread of disease between users. In addition, they allow outreach workers to connect with addicts and build trust.

The strategy also calls for better public education, increased treatment programs and a 24-hour crisis centre to help addicts.

Mr. Ford said the city should concentrate on enforcement and rehabilitation measures.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/17/if-they-have-to-dry-out-in-jail-...

mark_alfred

Desperation on Ford's part.  Blair was clear that charges couldn't be laid on Ford on the basis of the video alone, so the "I'd like him to say that under oath,” statement is silly.  He knows the cops have no intention of releasing the video now.  Still, the fact that it exists, showing Ford loaded, incoherently uttering anti-minority statements along with a homophobic slur while deeply inhaling something out of a glass pipe is sufficient, I feel.  The pattern of phone calls shows a likely connection with the extortion charge on Lisi and possibly even with a murder.  Time for Ford to go.  Mayors shouldn't be getting stinko and urinating on trees during working hours.

mark_alfred

terrytowel wrote:

From 2005

Toronto should consider building crematoria beside crack houses if the city’s proposed drug strategy is implemented, city councillor Rob Ford warned yesterday.

The councillor, who has battled addiction in his own family, blasted a new report by Toronto Public Health on combating alcohol and drug use in the city. The report recommends the city distribute crack pipes and other paraphernalia to addicts and explore opening safe injection and inhalation sites.

“It’s euthanasia. You’re just giving them a place to kill themselves. That’s what is going to happen. You might as well just have a crematorium beside the crack house,” Mr. Ford said.

He said these “harm reduction” strategies only encourage addicts to continue their drug use.

Ugh.  More hypocrisy.  Denial leads to extortion, it seems.

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