Ford Desecration Pt IV - the march to Detroit continues

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nicky

More Ford Family Follies:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/?page=all#dashboard/follows/

The Fords make the Adams family look like the Cleavers.

On another note, I disagree that the Fords are winning the battle for public opinion. They may have their  die-hards but many of their backers are keeping their distance or running for cover. Just look at the Sun. Its main headline yesterday was about Ford's chief of staff resigning because Ford would not go into rehab. And read this by Michelle Mandel today:

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/24/rob-ford-is-parsing-strange

Ford may "survive" this scandal. The video may not surface and he will try to use that as vindication. But he will only survive because there is no mechanism to force him out and because he does not have the class to resign. But he will henceforth be a neutered figure, a mayor in name only.

Michelle

I agree with onlinediscountanvils.  All this parsing of the "a video I have not seen or doesn't exist" is fun, but it doesn't really prove anything. He's not contradicting himself.  He's saying that IF the video exists, he hasn't seen it, but that there's also a chance that it doesn't exist.  He's not admitting anything by saying that - if the video does exist, he could be saying it's a hoax.

Remember those look-alike contests the tabloids used to run for stars?  I long suspected that they ran those contests so that they could hire those people to do fake compromising photos that they could run.  I don't think it would be easy to splice and dice a video, but I do think there is a remote possibility that the video sellers found someone who LOOKS like Ford and acted like him in the video - the still shot from it looks pretty grainy to me.  I doubt it - I think it was probably Ford too, but as long as the video hasn't surfaced, there's always a reasonable doubt.  I can imagine someone trying to hoax the "left wing media" (which is how many people, however incorrectly, see the Star and Gawker).

Doug

What the Globe has is substantial, but quite old. It involves Doug rather than Rob Ford. To summarize, they've found that Doug Ford and friends were the neighbourhood supplier of hash during the early 1980s. The most likely impact is that maybe the Ontario PCs decide he's not suitable for provincial politics.

Doug

What the Globe has is substantial, but quite old. It involves Doug rather than Rob Ford. To summarize, they've found that Doug Ford and friends were the neighbourhood supplier of hash during the early 1980s. The most likely impact is that maybe the Ontario PCs decide he's not suitable for provincial politics.

Junkyard Dog

Here's a charming little detail from one of yesterday's stories about Sideshow Rob that I thought deserved a bit of emphasis:

The sources told the Star that Ford was so emotional after losing his beloved post at Don Bosco that he ordered Towhey to go to the school and retrieve thousands of dollars worth of football equipment he had donated. When Towhey told Ford that this was a bad idea, the sources said, Ford fired him.

So, then. The reasons for Towhey being unceremoniously shitcanned make Ford look even worse than a mere bullheaded refusal to seek help for his own addictions (which would have been bad enough on its own). Nice, eh? I'd be willing to bet money that "emotional" is code for "Ford had a screaming temper tantrum to end all temper tantrums" when he got word that his services as coach were no longer required. I'd say we're in for an epic public meltdown if the next Mayoral election doesn't go the way Ford expects it to. Assuming he makes it that far.

Ford's treatment of the kids at Don Bosco has always struck me as deeply cynical and self-serving: He used those boys as his own personal political props, one obvious example being when he hid behind them when allegations about his 'charity' work began to crop up. Thus, it would always drive me up the wall whenever people would begin blubbering about his 'dedication' to the kids, and coaching football, etc. (Especially when done by empty-headed "progressives" stupidly bending over backwards to be "fair" to a corrupt sack of shit who'd more than proven that he didn't deserve any such benefit of the doubt.) Yes, I don't doubt Ford was in his element while coaching football, but then, he rather obviously loves having his fat ass kissed, no? He revealed his real feelings on the subject when he recklessly spouted that those kids would all be drop outs and drug users if not for "his" football team. Little wonder the parents began to feel a tad nervous about Ford at that point. As with all narcissists, it wasn't about helping the underpriviledged or the general community at large. No, it was all about him.

NorthReport

Any video footage around of Stephen Harper attending the Ford's annual Etobicoke barbeque? Wink

jerrym

The Toronto elite, including its MSM whose whole essence is image, aren't buying the Ford act anymore because he turned their beloved "world class city" image into a joke globally, thereby affecting their image.

mark_alfred

Michelle wrote:

but I do think there is a remote possibility that the video sellers found someone who LOOKS like Ford and acted like him in the video - the still shot from it looks pretty grainy to me.  I doubt it - I think it was probably Ford too, but as long as the video hasn't surfaced, there's always a reasonable doubt.  I can imagine someone trying to hoax the "left wing media" (which is how many people, however incorrectly, see the Star and Gawker).

I agree it's possible there's an actor playing the part.  But the assertion that "the still shot from it looks pretty grainy" is incorrect.  I don't think any still shots from the video itself have been released.  I think the still shot that is seen is another item.

NorthReport
NorthReport

If it materializes Doug Ford is supposed to be interviewed live on CP24 in a few minutes shortly after 10:30 AM Pacific time:

http://www.cp24.com/news/report-new-drug-allegations-involving-ford-fami...

onlinediscountanvils

NorthReport wrote:
If it materializes Doug Ford is supposed to be interviewed live on CP24 in a few minutes shortly after 10:30 AM Pacific time:

">http://www.cp24.com/news/report-new-drug-allegations-involving-ford-fami...

Haha... nothing to see here.

NorthReport

Doug Ford is on live now and he says to the Globe: "Is this the best you can do after 5 years of so-called investigative journalism. 

NorthReport

Doug Ford call for an election -  wants to go to the people now!  This is a hoot!   Laughing

 

Doug Ford Says Globe do not have one substantiating witness that will come forward and their article today is all lies, but he does not have the big bucks to sue against Bell Media and/or the Thompsons (ownership is 15% Bell and 85% the Thompsons apparently)

onlinediscountanvils

onlinediscountanvils wrote:
Haha... nothing to see here.

I take that back. The interviewer's glasses are pretty awesome.

NorthReport

"Sleazy Journalism"  Laughing

Whether or not any of these allegations are true is moot - what counts is if you have the proof and so far no one appears to have any proof.

I'd say the score is right now:

The Fords - eleven

The Globe, the Star & the CBC  - zero

 http://globalnews.ca/news/589636/doug-ford-calls-drug-trade-allegations-...

Junkyard Dog

Doug-o was, what, an hour late for his own interview? That looks professional.

At another site, somebody pointed out a l'il detail about 'Crackgate' (heh, heh) that had gone completely over my head, and I think it's worth mentioning here: Did anyone notice that in his press appearence about the entire sorry mess yesterday, Slob Ford was sporting a brand new 'do? In point of fact, he'd visibly had his entire head shaved at some point that week. Now, why might that be? Giving in to fashion, perhaps? Or could it be because of the fact that, while traces of cocaine use disappear from the blood stream a week after digestion, they remain in the hair follicles for a significantly longer period?

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Junkyard Dog wrote:

Doug-o was, what, an hour late for his own interview? That looks professional.

At another site, somebody pointed out a l'il detail about 'Crackgate' (heh, heh) that had gone completely over my head, and I think it's worth mentioning here: Did anyone notice that in his press appearence about the entire sorry mess yesterday, Slob Ford was sporting a bran new 'do? In point of fact, he'd visibly had his entire head shaved at some point that week. Now, why might that be? Giving in to fashion, perhaps? Or could it be because of the fact that, while traces of cocaine use disappear from the blood stream a week after digestion, they remain in the hair follicles for a significantly longer period?

Okay I know I shouldn't be saying this, but WTF.... do you think he was bright enough to shave his pubes too?

Junkyard Dog

Bagkitty, to quote Queenie from Blackadder II: That's horrrrrr-iiiiddddddd!!!!!!

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nodding head

cco

NorthReport wrote:

Whether or not any of these allegations are true is moot - what counts is if you have the proof and so far no one appears to have any proof.

Counts for what purposes? In court, sure, you'd need proof. In politics, all you need is (no pun intended) smoke. Careers have ended over FAR less.

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

*nodding in agreement* yep it is, or is it that you just can't handle the imagery?

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

Great link NorthReport!

Sineed

bagkitty wrote:

*nodding in agreement* yep it is, or is it that you just can't handle the imagery?

NorthReport

If the Globe article about Doug is accurate, it does not say very much for the Toronto Star's investigative abilities, does it? Oops!

How long did the Globe say they had been sitting on the story?  Laughing

I doubt the people at the Toronto Star are having a very good day today.

 

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/doug-ford-says-drug-allegations-against-him...

 

janfromthebruce

I'm thinking that most Torontians are not pleased that their mayor has made their city the butt of jokes. I don't think Doug will be welcome into the Hudak fold, no matter how much he tries to clear his name. Doug would become a side show on drug abuse in which the Cons just won't want to be associated with.

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I also agree that the verb tense speculation is funny but not relevant to reality. I am also willing to go on record by saying that I think it is folly to doubt that Rob Ford smokes crack.

NorthReport

So far recently, there may or may not even be a video, and the Globe sources for their big 2 year old story are Tom & Justin! 

No professional comedy act could match this!  Laughing

NorthReport

Just wondering what the Globe who support the Conservatives is really up to with this article.

Curiously, two unnamed sources in the article—both alleged to be drug dealers—are code-named "Tom" and "Justin". Victoria resident Mark Fornataro has pointed out to me that these are the same first names of the leaders of the federal Liberals and federal New Democrats.

http://www.straight.com/news/385481/six-random-thoughts-about-globe-and-...

NorthReport

CTV.ca is presently streaming the Ford Bros. weekly Sunday radio show.

lagatta

Sorry, the "pubes" comment had me just about peeing myself laughing... And I had a weird image of Rob lip-synching the late Amy Winehouse's "Rehab"...

NorthReport

Harper's connections to the Fords seem to be the gift that goes on giving for the NDP.

Maybe it's best to just leave the Ford family alone and see what else is coming down the pipes. Wink

 

 

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-mayor-rob-ford-calls-media-bunch-of...

NorthReport

In case you have forgotten a few, here is a good timeline of events

 

http://globalnews.ca/news/590296/allegations-and-controversy-surrounding...

NorthReport

Not to be outdone, and to one up the Globe's article all based on anonymous sources, a man identifiying himself as a policeman in the Etobicoke area during Doug Ford's younger days, phoned into today's radio show and said he had no awareness of Doug Ford being involved in drugs, and he as a policeman would have known about it. So there.  Laughing

janfromthebruce

On the show they misrepresented the truth on several items eg. Heard via the media that Rob was sacked as the football coach. In fact, the school sent a letter.

Said that teachers take off right after school which is also another misrepresentation. I could go on but it's a gong show. The Fords depend on listeners not bothering to check for the accuracy of their statements. They can defame others online knowing that those they are maligning can't defend themselves eg. on radio. So the mistruths become truths according to "ford nation". 

nicky

North Report, I knew Gary McLelland,the police officer who sought to absolve Rob Ford.

In the 80s he was a senior drug investigator. Despite his pretensions to the contrary I very much doubt he was very concerned with High School marijuana traffickers or that he could remember their names after 30 years.

I heard his defence od Doug Ford on the radio today and it scarcely rang true to me.

NorthReport

Watching a bit of their radio show today I think the Mayor is not well, and needs help. Doug Ford seemed much more in control.

Seeing as they sat on this story for quite some time, probably hoping that it was all a bad dream and that the Fords might clean up their act,  it appears that the Conservative-supporting Globe have finally decided that the Fords are now a liability, and are trying to cut them loose so they don't bring down the whole Conservative deck of cards. Is some 30 year old story with not one identified witness to verify it going to cut it?

 

 

 

 

adma

NorthReport wrote:
Harper's connections to the Fords seem to be the gift that goes on giving for the NDP.

Not the Liberals?

NorthReport
voice of the damned

Is some 30 year old story with not one identified witness to verify it going to cut it?

I think the Globe is really reaching with this hash stuff. It has an air of trying to play catch-up with the Star.

And no, it probably won't have much impact. Even if people believe the allegations, stories about politicians smoking up are a dime a dozen, and a lot of people won't make a distinction between using and selling hash.

A somewhat more legitimate angle is the hypocrisy of being a law-and-order, anti-drug politican when you have a history with the stuff yourself. But people never seem to care about that. It's always just "Oh well, that just shows he's human like the rest of us", without anyone ever making the connection that, if it's so human to smoke hash, these politicans who admit to doing so should now be pushing for legalization.

So, Doug can probably look forward to getting the same free-ride that was given to Ralph Klein, Clinton, Obama etc.

mark_alfred

Crackstarter is up to $181,521 with 29 hours to go.  However, since the video is MIA, it really doesn't much matter if it reaches $200,000 or not.  The donation rate slowed down considerably after the announcement that the video may not be found.

I'm guessing that the person who had the video was picked up either on an outstanding warrant or, if it was the case, outstanding immigration issues.  I'm guessing there's some enforcement types who have sympathies with the Fords, and would have known where to find the guy.

mark_alfred

Did anyone hear the Ford brothers' radio show today?  I'm just curious.

NorthReport

votd,

Apparently the Globe has been sitting on this "big, but unidentified sources" story for some time, but amazingly enough a couple of their so-called sources are named "Tom" & "Justin".  Is this what maggots do? Wink

 

NorthReport

 

Undeterred by drug allegations, Toronto mayor vows to seek re-election

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Toronto+mayor+Ford+vows+seek+election/8...

mark_alfred

He's clearly not worried about the video now.  I read that during his radio show he said the video "does not exist."  He did not say that it NEVER DID exist (IE, that the journalists who reported on it fabricated it).  Perhaps he's avoiding making such a claim to avoid the possibility of being sued for slander by the journalists who reported on it.

Anyway, it's interesting that he now is certain that it "does not exist." 

mark_alfred

Globe story:

Quote:

The informant in the mayor’s office purported to know the address and unit number where the video was being held.

They went on to say that the video originally belonged to an individual who may have been killed for its potentially valuable contents, according to a source.

Maysie Maysie's picture

lagatta, this is for you.

Kinda not safe for work. 

Kiss

Fast Ford Nation Rehab

 

NorthReport
NorthReport

It's those anonymous sources again - they sure like talking to the media. 

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/05/should-we-add-murder-toron...

NorthReport

Ford Nation is rapidly spinning out of control it seems

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-tip-to-toronto-police...

mark_alfred

The Globe story I referred to in post 495 is troubling.  I now hope the Gawker fundraising fails to reach $200,000, given the possibility that there was more here than just dealers hoping to make a buck.  Mind you, a rumour from Ford's office that the peddlers of the video are potential murderers may simply be untrue, and may instead be simply an attempt to stifle enthusiasm for the crackstarter effort.  Regardless, my enthusiasm has been stifled.

crackstarter is at $190,752, with 15 hours to go.

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