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NDP dumps Weisleder as candidate

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Socialist Caucus chair Barry Weisleder was nominated as the NDP's candidate in Thornhill last Thursday night. It has just been revealed that within 48 hours of his victory, the party "rescinded" his nomination.

NDP rescinds nomination of Thornhill candidate

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Barry Weisleder, the longtime left-wing NDP activist who was nominated to represent the riding of Thornhill in a nomination meeting last Thursday has had his position rescinded, sources say.

Mr. Weisleder, a 58-year-old Toronto-based substitute teacher, was selected to replace Simon Strelichik as the party's candidate in the Oct. 6 election at what Mr. Weisleder said was the largest, best-attended meeting in Thornhill in years.

But the candidate, who has been a member of the party for 43 years and an outspoken voice from the left, had his nomination rescinded by the provincial secretary, Darlene Lawson within 48 hours after the meeting, according to John Orrett, a member of the NDP provincial executive.

"One would have to say they have done this with the approval of the highest levels of the party, for an elected candidate who was democratically nominated...at one of the biggest meetings in 20 years. I'm pretty sure many of the members of the present executive will vehemently protest the interference in party democracy."

Mr. Weisleder was the chairperson of the NDP's socialist caucus. At the party's federal convention in Vancouver in June, Mr. Weisleder denounced the move to take the word ‘socialist' out of the NDP constitution, saying it would dilute the party's principles.

He was instrumental in "halting that drive to the right", Mr. Orrett said.

NDP officials failed to convince a majority of the 1,572 delegates to approve the change.

While he is "very disappointed" with the decision to remove Mr. Weisleder, Mr. Orrett said he "will continue to work for the NDP as the party with the best platform for working families, but not in Thornhill".


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2dawall
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Not really surprising. They may not be able to push to remove 'socialist' by a vote but they can use their executive power to remove anyone clearly identified with the label.


Life, the unive...
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or someone who wasn't willing to act as a member of a team and was only there to forward a personal agenda.   That is also a distinct possibility.

 


Erik Redburn
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What does 'member of a team' mean, exactly, who decides who 'the team' is playing for or what their goal is?   Is there any objective criteria about 'vetting' candidates, or can the exec just reject anyone they don't like now?


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Life, the universe, everything wrote:

or someone who wasn't willing to act as a member of a team and was only there to forward a personal agenda.   That is also a distinct possibility.

 

I don't know, last time a prominent NDPer was more interested in forwarding a personal agenda than the team, they made him provincial leader and Premier.


Ken Burch
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We can assume that the approved ONDP candidate in Thornhill will have no strong convictions at all.  That's what being a "team player" means-it's code for standing for nothing.


2dawall
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Or 'team player.' Could be interchangeable with 'moderate.'


Erik Redburn
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I believe the people of Ontario made Rae Premier, but whatever.  What again is the criteria for being ruled out as a candidate after one was otherwise fairly elected, are there any written guidelines or is it totally arbitrary?  


Ken Burch
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2dawall wrote:

Or 'team player.' Could be interchangeable with 'moderate.'

which is the same thing as "a person who has no strong convictions".  You can assume, for example, that a "moderate" will never fight for the poor, for the non-European, for LGBT people, for women, or for workers.  Being a moderate means not really giving a damn about anyone who isn't a winner in the status quo.


Lachine Scot
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Ugh, unless someone comes up with evidence that this isn't what it looks like--I'll say it again: Ugh!


Ken Burch
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Anybody know which officially approved eunoch will now be imposed in Thornhill?  Apparently, anyone who could actually inspire enthusiasm and get new people to join the party and work for it is unacceptable.  Can't actually take the risk of WINNING the seat, you know.


Erik Redburn
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I'm asking a real question here, does the NDP have any objective criteria for removing candidates post-nomination?  


Ken Burch
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They won't reveal their criteria publicly, Erik.  That would be giving up too much power.


Boom Boom
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This stinks.


Erik Redburn
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Ken Burch wrote:

They won't reveal their criteria publicly, Erik.  That would be giving up too much power.

 

Perhaps, but I'd like to see what if anything the party has to say about it.  Hopefully something more than some guy who's too leftwing and too outspoken for our comfort level was nominated, can't have that.


Ken Burch
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I suspect a lot of people would like that, but it's very unlikely that that will happen.  Party leaderships, like any other leadership groups, tend to hunker down, say nothing, and try to "ride it out" in situations like this.  They already have their bland, convictionless replacement picked and ready to impose.


Erik Redburn
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Well let's see what if anything is said about this.  If nothing then I'll just have to assume that's all it is, another arbitrary power play by a backwards executive that only wants our money and votes.  


Boom Boom
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I hope to see this on the national media tomorrow. Someone has some explaining to do.


Ken Burch
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(re: Erik's post #16)Probably a fair assumption.  And so much for any chance of actually TAKING Thornhill.  That's gone forever, now.  And it's likely that the ONDP vote will drop in a lot of places as a result of this.  There's no way the party will still be able to inspire any enthusiasm in anyone about this campaign.  That's what always happens when you insist that all the candidates be "safe"-you lose.


Michelle
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This is absolutely outrageous.  The NDP might consider another name change, one that wouldn't even affect their acronym - just change the "New" to "Non".


Merowe
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Boom Boom wrote:

This stinks.

 

Yeah really. What utter bullshit. It would cost the party my vote if I had one.


Ciabatta2
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Bad for democracy but...phew, that was close.

The NDP has to get a handle on the nominations process.  Vetting before the nomination process is a must.


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Aristotleded24
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Life, the universe, everything wrote:
or someone who wasn't willing to act as a member of a team and was only there to forward a personal agenda.   That is also a distinct possibility.

The team in Thornhill seemed to think he was okay.

What is the criteria for dumping candidates anyways? Whether or not  you agree with decisions to dump candidates, any time a candidate is dumped or blocked from receiving the nomination, it creates problems within said party, especially among said candidate's supporters. There should be an explanation process, otherwise people lose trust in that party.


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There had better be an extremely good explanation for this.


Life, the unive...
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What a load of baloney some of the stuff I am reading here.  For a number of years I was involved in recruiting candidates for the Greens.  Even they had an agreed upon set of values you had to agree to become a candidate.  I've done some reading on this guy and it is pretty clear to me he isn't a team player.  And no a team player does not mean a moderate, or a sell out, or someone with no values- frankly that kind of talk is just stupid and offensive.  A team player is one, for instance, who doesn't go off on some policy of his own, over the democratic wishes of agreed policy.   I think that is very likely outcome reading some of this guys past behaviours.  If he wants to do that he should do the honourable thing and run as an independent that way he could have pursued his own policy agenda to his hearts content.

Say for instance he decides to attack seperate school funding.  That is not NDP policy and it is the members who constantly seem to say no thanks - not going there.  So regardless of how you feel about it, promoting it as NDP policy in an election would be profoundly undemocratic.  That will effect NDP candidates in every riding and prove a huge discraction for the campaign.  Going after that issue, or foreign policy issues, or whatever in a provincial election is not being a "team player."  All a team player means is understanding that in this day and age everything every candidate does or says in every riding effects every other candidate in every other riding.  Why should the NDP candidate in my riding be knocked off stride because someone in Thornhill decides he is going to pursue his own agenda which may not coincide even with current NDP policy.  Anyone decrying this and pretending there may not have been some issues with this guy really isn't thinking things through.

Now I will admitt I can't for the life of me figure out how come his candidacy wasn't stopped before the nomination meeting.  Whomever did that vetting should be getting a talking too.  In some ways once he was allowed to stand it doesn't seem right.  At the same time the party is probably better off then getting to e-7 and he goes off on some tear that is far outside NDP policy and draws the spotlight on himself not the entire team of candidates and volunteers slogging it out in all the other ridings in Ontario.   To be fair to those campaigns, and if he signalled that he was unwilling to stick to NDP policy, then this was probably the right decision, even if it was handled horriably and almost clownishly amatuerly.

 

Those who are using some of the rhetoric you are I wonder if you could explain to me why the NDP candidate in my riding and in every other riding should have to endure the kind of spolight focus that would likely happen part way through the campaign when this dude uses his candidacy to sharpen some axes he wants to grind.   He gives no indication he understands the impact his actions would have on other candidates.  Because that is what will happen as he clearly, from reading some of his own stuff, will do something like that and it will impact all candidates.  Don't they count or matter?  A great many of those cadidates will be taking an entire month of work and the like, most probably without pay because they believe in the same values as you.   The same goes for the countless volunteers and donors right across the province- who also share your values.  Surely their is some responsibility to them isn't there?


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Aristotleded24 wrote:

Life, the universe, everything wrote:
or someone who wasn't willing to act as a member of a team and was only there to forward a personal agenda.   That is also a distinct possibility.

The team in Thornhill seemed to think he was okay.

What is the criteria for dumping candidates anyways? Whether or not  you agree with decisions to dump candidates, any time a candidate is dumped or blocked from receiving the nomination, it creates problems within said party, especially among said candidate's supporters. There should be an explanation process, otherwise people lose trust in that party.

 

That might be a good start.  Having something that people can refer too.  The problem is the candidate questionaires are likely private documents and it might violate the person's privacy rights. It is kind of a fine line.  But given this and a couple of other incidents it would likely be a good idea for the NDP to codify some of this, asuming it isn't actually and we just don't know that.  Not being a member I am not sure whether it is or not. 


Unionist
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I think they did the right thing. I'm not at liberty to explain. I'm sure you'll understand what I mean.

ETA: Sorry for the dumb attempt at humour. See my post below.


aka Mycroft
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Unionist wrote:

I think they did the right thing. I'm not at liberty to explain. I'm sure you'll understand what I mean.

Nope, afraid I don't.


Ciabatta2
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Life, the universe, everything wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:
 There should be an explanation process, otherwise people lose trust in that party.

That might be a good start.  Having something that people can refer too.  The problem is the candidate questionaires are likely private documents and it might violate the person's privacy rights. It is kind of a fine line.  But given this and a couple of other incidents it would likely be a good idea for the NDP to codify some of this, asuming it isn't actually and we just don't know that.  Not being a member I am not sure whether it is or not. 

Agreed.  What's really missing here is the explanation, even if it is something as meaningless as "X's policy positions are not in line with the party's" and then voters can make up their minds whether or not this is valid.  Something like this happens each election - to some extent it is unavoidable - but it is manageable. In the case of the ONDP, of the 90-95 ridings without incumbents, 15 or so where the nomination process is a high profile and professional race, and most only have 1-2 people interested in the nomination, so it should not be that hard to vet canadidates in advance - particularly for someone as 'well known' to the party as Barry.

This sucks for internal NDP party democracy but at the same time it also sucks for democracy if Wayne Redekop or Cindy Forster gets derailed because someone runs who is not in line with the core central party positions.  I don't doubt that for a party like the NDP party staff resources are tight but that party needs to figure this stuff out.


Fidel
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I really dislike our electoral system. Barry's a good man with heart in the left place.


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