Ontario Election June 7, 2018

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bekayne wrote:

JKR wrote:
It does seem that a Doug Ford premiership would likely be a never-ending low-rent soap opera, although it would not be as bad as the nightmare Trump is creating worldwide.

Doug wouldn't have nukes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=IUZEtVbJT5c

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Final Debate on Sunday, May 27 starts at 6 PM ET I think.

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josh
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Three Candidates, Three Zionists, One 'Voice for Israel'

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/Thornhill-ont-candidates-debate-how-to...

The 'pro-Israel' voice in Canadian politics is no longer acceptable.

NorthReport

Advance voting May 26 to May 30 

10 AM to 8 PM

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Interesting approach by Doug Ford 

No media allowed and no platform and he gets away  with it

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Doug Ford is going to bring back $1 for a beer - that's the platform we have all been waiting for, eh!

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Doug Ford once branded himself Toronto's 'co-mayor.' What did he and brother Rob accomplish at City Hall?

Doug would hold meetings in the mayor's office when Rob was out. 'We started locking the door. Then Doug got a key. From Rob. Who would then complain when Doug used it'

 

Mayor Rob Ford, left, and Coun. Doug Ford, photographed in Mayor's Office in Toronto, January 20, 2011.Alex Urosevic/Toronto Sun/QMI Agency

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/doug-ford-once-branded-himself-toron...

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Bogus Blues

Doug Ford Directly Involved In Etobicoke-Centre Nomination Controversy: Ontario Liberals

The Liberals released audio they allege is of Ford trying to sign up people to vote for Kinga Surma, but telling them they don't have to pay.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/24/doug-ford-kinga-sirma-etobicoke...

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Ontario NDP’s Horwath blames Harper for Trans Mountain standoff

The rising contender in Ontario's provincial election also says she would look to cap electricity company profits and not renew some expiring power contracts.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/05/23/news/ontario-ndps-horwath-bl...

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Why is TVO showing their debate picture with Andrea having her glasses on?

NDPP

NDPP wrote:

Three Candidates, Three Zionists, One 'Voice for Israel'

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/Thornhill-ont-candidates-debate-how-to...

The 'pro-Israel' voice in Canadian politics is no longer acceptable.

If you had 3 Klan members running you'd be alarmed. Zionism, an ideology for Israel, is no less pernicious and must be removed from our politics. 

NorthReport

Harnessing the power of unpredictable millennial voters

Ontario's election is the first with more millennial than baby boomer voters

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ontario-election-millennial-voters-1.467...

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What the Doug Ford tape really means—and what it doesn’t

 

In a press conference on Thursday, he repeatedly referenced the fact that these were two-year-old allegations and tried to deflect every question to a canned response on hydro rates. He said the party investigated Martino’s claims and dismissed her appeal.

This is not going to cut it.

If you want to cite the results of an investigation to get out of allegations of wrongdoing, then you’d better be prepared to deliver that investigation.

If the party investigated Martino’s claims and rejected them, then they should release the results. Even if Ford merely helped to fudge Surma’s nomination papers, members should have questions about the quality of their party’s database, data handling, and accounting procedures.

The real reason this is coming to light two weeks before election day is obvious, though I doubt it will do the Liberals any good come election day. Ford’s extraordinary campaigning on Surma’s behalf forces questions, one of which Globe and Mail delicately posed on Thursday: “I’m sure you are aware lots of people are speculating why you would go to such lengths to help Kinga Surma. Can you talk about the nature of your relationship with her?”

Ford, again, deflected.

“Our family in Etobicoke Centre, we have helped for the last 30 years, candidates,” he said. Ford claimed he also helped Surma’s competitor: “I personally donated to her campaign. Our family helped her. We’ve helped people for 30 years.”

I know no more here than any other avid Googler and, thus, don’t have much else to add except to note that Ford will serve himself best by being forthright and honest. But, like I said, the closer you get to the ground, the muddier it all looks.

Even if Ford merely helped fudge nomination papers, members should have questions about the quality of their party’s database.

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/what-the-doug-ford-tape-really-means...

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Doug Ford PC tactics

How a 9/11 Truther may be influencing which Ontario election videos you see

A search for election videos shows an unknown YouTube channel outranks many mainstream media outlets

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-votes-youtube-advertising-...

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gadar

NorthReport wrote:

Ontario NDP’s Horwath blames Harper for Trans Mountain standoff

The rising contender in Ontario's provincial election also says she would look to cap electricity company profits and not renew some expiring power contracts.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/05/23/news/ontario-ndps-horwath-bl...

And here I beleived Singh, Horgan, Notley and the chorus that it was Trudeau's fault. Notley should forward this to Kenney who was Harper's top dog.

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Coming to a provincial election in Canada near you.

Trump And The American Far Right Stoke Hate in Canada

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-and-the-american-far-right-st...

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How an NDP victory in Ontario is a real possibility

https://ipolitics.ca/article/how-an-ndp-victory-in-ontario-is-a-real-pos...

bekayne

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Three Candidates, Three Zionists, One 'Voice for Israel'

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/Thornhill-ont-candidates-debate-how-to...

The 'pro-Israel' voice in Canadian politics is no longer acceptable.

The Liberal candidate is Muslim.

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Three Candidates, Three Zionists, One 'Voice for Israel'

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/Thornhill-ont-candidates-debate-how-to...

The 'pro-Israel' voice in Canadian politics is no longer acceptable.

If you had 3 Klan members running you'd be alarmed. Zionism, an ideology for Israel, is no less pernicious and must be removed from our politics. 

The Liberal candidate is Muslim

NDPP

"I entirely oppose the BDS movement." - Kathleen Wynne

Jewish Groups Release Ontario Election Primers Host Local Debates

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/jewish-groups-release-ontario-election...

"...CIJA suggested that candidates be asked if they support Ontario adopting the definition set by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA). That organization's definition of anti-Semitism includes...denying the right of the Jewish people to self determination by claiming Israel's existence is a racist endeavour..."

As is clearly obvious and made manifest by its actions, Israel's existence IS a racist endeavour. As is support for the Apartheid state  and its ongoing crimes of genocide by Canadian politicians of all political stripes. Does YOUR candidate walk with Israel? 

josh

NorthReport wrote:

Coming to a provincial election in Canada near you.

Trump And The American Far Right Stoke Hate in Canada

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-and-the-american-far-right-st...

Pretty scary, but don’t know what it has to do with the topic of this thread.

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Messy campaign proves need for political reforms

 

The answer under the current rules is: nothing happens.

There are no penalties, unless as the legislation says, “a corrupt practice” has been committed, in which case an MPP can be thrown out. However, the corrupt practice must have taken place “in connection with an election.” Elections are defined, nominations are not.

A creative Crown attorney or defence lawyer might argue that, mentioned or not, nominations are of course part of an election as they are the process that chooses the players who contest them. It is far from clear that would pass muster legally, however.

So, in mid-June, when we will have a new government to be sworn in, it may be a minority government with a very narrow hold on power. What would it do to Ontario voters confidence in our democracy if as many as a dozen of the newly elected government members were to be named as recipients of nomination votes from stolen voter IDs.

Worse, what if the police investigations about to be launched were to reveal that stolen data was used in the campaign period itself? If they were to be removed from cabinet and caucus, or to resign, the government would fall. If they didn’t….?

Sneering at American lapses is an unsavoury Canadian habit. This mess offers a useful caution about that indulgence. We are clearly not so far from a Trumpian dystopia ourselves.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/05/27/messy-campaig...

Mighty Middle

Conservative third party groups (like Ontario Proud) and the Toronto Sun have spent three solid years demonizing and villifying Kathleen Wynne with some of the most misogynist and vicious social media posts and memes. Saying she is the devil and we need to dump the Liberals, Vote her and that party out!

Only instead of turning to the PCs (which these 3rd party Conservative groups and the Toronto Sun wanted to happen), they are rushing to the NDP to get rid of the Liberals. 

All these plans and the groundwork by third party Conservative groups have backfired.

So should Andrea Horwath send them a fruit basket after June 7th as a thanks? They did all the work, and she just rode that wave of anger right into the Premier office.

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bekayne wrote:

NDPP wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Three Candidates, Three Zionists, One 'Voice for Israel'

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/Thornhill-ont-candidates-debate-how-to...

The 'pro-Israel' voice in Canadian politics is no longer acceptable.

If you had 3 Klan members running you'd be alarmed. Zionism, an ideology for Israel, is no less pernicious and must be removed from our politics. 

The Liberal candidate is Muslim

Yet is parroting the Likudnik line.  

cco

Mighty Middle wrote:

So should Andrea Horwath send them a fruit basket after June 7th as a thanks? They did all the work, and she just rode that wave of anger right into the Premier office.

Ah, of course. It can't be Horwath's own hard work, or the receptiveness of Liberal voters to actual left-wing policies for a change, or any mistakes Wynne made. Horwath's just coasting on the hard work of the Tories. An NDP government will really be a Tory government.

Does this qualify as the "bargaining" stage, or is it still "anger"?

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Mighty Middle wrote:

Conservative third party groups (like Ontario Proud) and the Toronto Sun have spent three solid years demonizing and villifying Kathleen Wynne with some of the most misogynist and vicious social media posts and memes. Saying she is the devil and we need to dump the Liberals, Vote her and that party out!

Only instead of turning to the PCs (which these 3rd party Conservative groups and the Toronto Sun wanted to happen), they are rushing to the NDP to get rid of the Liberals. 

All these plans and the groundwork by third party Conservative groups have backfired.

So should Andrea Horwath send them a fruit basket after June 7th as a thanks? They did all the work, and she just rode that wave of anger right into the Premier office.

Seriously?  You're STILL arguing that Horwath and the ONDP haven't done anything to deserve the surge of support they've received?

Look...BEFORE Rob Ford took over as leader, the PC's were 20 points ahead of the Liberals.  There was no chance THEN that Wynne's government was going to be re-elected.

What's happening is that Horwath is winning the argument on policy.  

And if Wynne was unpopular due to misogyny, wouldn't Horwath be the LAST person to benefit from that?  It's misogynist to switch from a party led by a woman...to a party led by a woman?

Look, it's working out.  Ford is being stopped.  He's being stopped because Ontario was never as far to the right as he was an because-contrary to your repeated and now totally discredited slurs-he never had any real appeal to people who had voted ONDP in previous elections.  There may have been a transitory novelty blip in ONE poll, but that's all there ever was.  

What have you got to be angry about?  Isn't it a GOOD thing that a more progressive government is going to come to power?

Why is it that you can't accept that a principled campaign on the issues and the better angels of Ontario's nature is carrying the day?  That there's no injustice in the Liberals being in third place?
 

Mighty Middle

 

cco wrote:

Ah, of course. It can't be Horwath's own hard work, or the receptiveness of Liberal voters to actual left-wing policies for a change, or any mistakes Wynne made. Horwath's just coasting on the hard work of the Tories.

So how come the past 12 months the NDP wasn't 2nd to the Conservatives? Instead they were stubbornly stuck in 3rd.

Ken Burch wrote:

And if Wynne was unpopular due to misogyny, wouldn't Horwath be the LAST person to benefit from that?  It's misogynist to switch from a party led by a woman...to a party led by a woman?

Mysogyny attacks were more about Wynne sexuality and her looks. They left Horwath alone because the Conservatives needed Horwath ahead of the Liberals to achieve that split vote. But they never imagined Horwath overtaking Ford.

Ontario Proud and the Toronto Sun have spent the past few days aiming their mysogynyst guns on Horwath now. The past three days Horwath has been on the front page, just yesterday conflating Horwath with a "Hitler' headline.

Just like the Liberals took advantage of the anger at Harper. Liberals won that election, thanks to the NDP doing all the heavy lifting in exposing all of Harper misdeeds by Mulcair and NDP MPs in QP.

Ontario NDP is doing the same thing the Federal Liberals did. Only it is Conservative third groups and the Toronto Sun doing all the demonizing. And Horwath is riding that wave, just like Trudeau did in 2015.

JKR

Mighty Middle wrote:

Conservative third party groups (like Ontario Proud) and the Toronto Sun have spent three solid years demonizing and villifying Kathleen Wynne with some of the most misogynist and vicious social media posts and memes. Saying she is the devil and we need to dump the Liberals, Vote her and that party out!


It seems to me that many premiers and prime ministers become very unpopular during their tenures in office, especially if they're party has been in power for a long time. Wynne's unpopularity was similar or even worse than Richard Nixon's post Watergate! If Wynne wanted to avoid her party's electoral meltdown in this election, why didn't she resign and give her party a chance to continue a very long reign in office much in the same way Premier Don Getty did for the PC's in Alberta in the early 90's?

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PC supporters such as David Akin are trying desperately to raise the Liberals profile to split the vote against Doug Ford

 

Pondering

Is it dissing Horvath to point out that the other two contenders are so bad she doesn't need to campaign? If she hasn't done anything to win that sounds like a good strategy. If your opponents are destroying each other the smartest move is to stand aside and let them have at it.

Sooooo, go Horvath! All she has to say is "You can vote for Wynne, Ford, or me. Your choice."

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Doug Ford once branded himself Toronto's 'co-mayor.' What did he and brother Rob accomplish at City Hall?

Doug would hold meetings in the mayor's office when Rob was out. 'We started locking the door. Then Doug got a key. From Rob. Who would then complain when Doug used it'

 

 

Mayor Rob Ford, left, and Coun. Doug Ford, photographed in Mayor's Office in Toronto, January 20, 2011.Alex Urosevic/Toronto Sun/QMI Agency

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/doug-ford-once-branded-himself-toron...

Hmmmm

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Mighty Middle wrote:

 

cco wrote:

Ah, of course. It can't be Horwath's own hard work, or the receptiveness of Liberal voters to actual left-wing policies for a change, or any mistakes Wynne made. Horwath's just coasting on the hard work of the Tories.

So how come the past 12 months the NDP wasn't 2nd to the Conservatives? Instead they were stubbornly stuck in 3rd.

Ken Burch wrote:

And if Wynne was unpopular due to misogyny, wouldn't Horwath be the LAST person to benefit from that?  It's misogynist to switch from a party led by a woman...to a party led by a woman?

Mysogyny attacks were more about Wynne sexuality and her looks. They left Horwath alone because the Conservatives needed Horwath ahead of the Liberals to achieve that split vote. But they never imagined Horwath overtaking Ford.

Ontario Proud and the Toronto Sun have spent the past few days aiming their mysogynyst guns on Horwath now. The past three days Horwath has been on the front page, just yesterday conflating Horwath with a "Hitler' headline.

Just like the Liberals took advantage of the anger at Harper. Liberals won that election, thanks to the NDP doing all the heavy lifting in exposing all of Harper misdeeds by Mulcair and NDP MPs in QP.

Ontario NDP is doing the same thing the Federal Liberals did. Only it is Conservative third groups and the Toronto Sun doing all the demonizing. And Horwath is riding that wave, just like Trudeau did in 2015.

The Orange Wave didn't happen until the 2011 campaign was underway.  That doesn't mean Jack Layton didn't work for it.  For that matter, the federal Liberals were twenty points behind the PC's when Pierre Trudeau won the leadership.  Sometimes dramatic swings in opinion happen, and it's not an intrinsic injustice to the party that's the victim of those swings that they DO happen.   

Besides which, the Liberals were solidly behind the Cons throughout the entire Harper minority government years.  There was never any polling in that era that showed that the voters wanted Ignatieff to become prime minister.   It wasn't the NDP's fault that your party collapsed then, it wasn't a Con trick that your party collapsed then, and it isn't now.  In both cases, it was a legitimate swing in popular opinion.  The voters liked the messages of those they swung to, and did not like the messages of those they swung away from.

And it's truly despicable to imply that voters have swung from the OLP to the ONDP out of homophobia(that's the word you meant to use, not misogyny).  The federal and provincial NDP positions on LGBTQ issues are either just as progressive or MORE progressive than those of the federal and provincial Liberal parties.  And in case you've somehow not noticed, there has been strong LGBTQ support for he NDP ever since the days of Svend Robinson, the politician who is truly responsible for most of the anti-discrimination legislation passed federally for LGBTQ people.  It's not as though we're still in 1968, with each party holding the views PET and Tommy Douglas held then.  

Mighty Middle

Ken Burch wrote:

Besides which, the Liberals were solidly behind the Cons throughout the entire Harper minority government years.

Stephen Harper survives a non-confidence vote (brought in by the Liberals) in 2009 thanks to a deal he struck with Jack Layton. In exchange for an increase spending on Employment Insurance by about $1 billion, Jack Layton and the NDP abstained from the vote of non-confidence against Harper.

But then of course I'm sure you are going to say this was for the greater good, as opposed to other parties who also abstained or didn't show up on a Harper budget bill or of non-confidence.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/tories-survive-liberal-non-confidence-motion-1.43...

brookmere

Ken Burch wrote:
  For that matter, the federal Liberals were twenty points behind the PC's when Pierre Trudeau won the leadership.

As I never thought Robert Stanfield had any more pizazz than Lester Pearson, I thought I'd check this out, and in fact the last Gallup before PET became leader had the Liberals 7 points ahead among decided voters. Look at February 1968.

https://library.carleton.ca/find/data/gallup-canada

And there is no question that much of the offensive by the right against Wynne has been based on homophobia. How much this has to do with her unpopularity I don't know. However I think you are mistaken when you imply that the average voter knows or cares much about the parties' official policies on LGBTQ issues or other policies for that matter. The personal impression of the leaders matters much more.

 

 

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brookmere wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:
  For that matter, the federal Liberals were twenty points behind the PC's when Pierre Trudeau won the leadership.

As I never thought Robert Stanfield had any more pizazz than Lester Pearson, I thought I'd check this out, and in fact the last Gallup before PET became leader had the Liberals 7 points ahead among decided voters. Look at February 1968.

https://library.carleton.ca/find/data/gallup-canada

And there is no question that much of the offensive by the right against Wynne has been based on homophobia. How much this has to do with her unpopularity I don't know. However I think you are mistaken when you imply that the average voter knows or cares much about the parties' official policies on LGBTQ issues or other policies for that matter. The personal impression of the leaders matters much more.

 

 

I was talking about polls taken slightly before that, when the PC's thought they had defeated the Pearson government on a no-confidence motion due to half the Liberal caucus being at some sort of retreat...but I may have had it wrong.  In any case there's a big difference between being 7 points ahead and being up to 22 points ahead as they were at times in the '68 campaign.

As to homophobia...well yeah, the right was going to use that to attack Wynne and it's disgusting that THEY did it.  It has nothing to do, however, with the swing from the Liberals to the NDP, though.  THAT swing wasn't happening because of Wynne's sexual orientation or appearnace.  And it's telling that the PC's, the party which actually appealed to homophobia, have sharply declined in support throughout this campaign.

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Mighty Middle wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Stephen Harper survives a non-confidence vote (brought in by the Liberals) in 2009 thanks to a deal he struck with Jack Layton. In exchange for an increase spending on Employment Insurance by about $1 billion, Jack Layton and the NDP abstained from the vote of non-confidence against Harper.

But then of course I'm sure you are going to say this was for the greater good, as opposed to other parties who also abstained or didn't show up on a Harper budget bill or of non-confidence.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/tories-survive-liberal-non-confidence-motion-1.43...

 

OK, ONE time the NDP kept the Harper government in power...as opposed to the DOZENS of votes in that parliament where the Liberals did so.  By what measure was the NDP's action that one time worse than all the votes where the Liberals passed Harper's barbaric agenda-little if ANY of which has been repealed or reversed by Justin's majority.  The Cons would have been sure winners in an election in 2009 anyway-there was hardly ever a moment during Iggy's leadership where he had any real chance of leading the Liberals even to a minority win.

Besides which, the Liberals were solidly behind the Cons throughout the entire Harper minority government years.  And it's been repeatedly proved that, even if the NDP had voted for Martin on that no-confidence motion, he'd still have fallen by two votes and that even if he'd stayed in power for the extra month there was nothing Martin could have done to make his government popular enough again to even come close to winning.  The fact that he wasn't re-elected on the pledge to implement his childcare program proves THAT.

Mighty Middle

17:54

Ken Burch wrote:

Besides which, the Liberals were solidly behind the Cons throughout the entire Harper minority government years.

20:24

Ken Burch wrote:

OK, ONE time the NDP kept the Harper government in power

Ciabatta2

Why are people still debating this troll?

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@Ciabatta2, EXACTLY!!!

please Ken, just ignore him and then he'll just have himself to troll

Mighty Middle

Misfit wrote:

@Ciabatta2, EXACTLY!!!

please Ken, just ignore him and then he'll just have him self to troll

Andrea Horwath just said minutes ago

"People who sling mud, throw mud lose ground"

In addition Eleanor Roosevelt always says

"No one can make you say or do anything, without your permission"

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