Ontario Election June 7, 2018

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NorthReport

Likeable Horwath is making huge inroads but will it be enough?

https://twitter.com/robertbenzie/status/1001541358795010055

josh

NorthReport wrote:

Andrea needs to start asking Liberals for their vote to defeat Ford. Not much time left.

Agree.

josh

NorthReport wrote:

 

 

Beleaguered Wynne joins Ford on anti-NDP bandwagon, warning Andrea Horwath’s party would be bad for business

 

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/05/29/wynne-pledges-to-pump...

The great thing about Liberals is their ideological “flexibility.”

NorthReport

Stratford is winnable. A Horwath win here, flipping a Ford incumbent, would move Andrea two seats closer to Ford. Add Peterborough and Sarnia......

 

https://twitter.com/Tom_Parkin_/status/1001547399771361280

Mighty Middle

NorthReport wrote:

Andrea needs to start asking Liberals for their vote to defeat Ford. Not much time left.

Basically Andrea need to repeat what Kathleen Wynne said in 2014, word for word. Except substitute the name "Tim Hudak" for "Doug Ford" and saying not vote Liberal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfn2WDzLzAs

Mighty Middle

NorthReport wrote:

Are there any ads? 

I've been actually quite surprised by the lack of ads by all of the parties. Yes I have seen ads, but not the onslaught we normally see. Wonder if that has to do with the recent rule change, have they limited ads by the parties and third parties.

Or maybe I have been tuning out this election (as I can't stand Ford) and haven't noticed the frequency, if there has been an onslaught.

Sean in Ottawa

NorthReport wrote:

Andrea needs to start asking Liberals for their vote to defeat Ford. Not much time left.

No absolutely she does not.

People can see and where it makes a difference figure it out themselves. It will look bad for Andrea if she does this. It will get used against the NDP in future elections and the NDP does not believe in this excepting in the ridings it would make a difference and there are very few of them and the people living there are able to see it for themselves.

I suspect that this has already happened which is why the Liberal vote may be more consolidated than people realize meaning they may hold more seats than anyone is predicting.

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I stopped watching tv a few years ago, but I've seen many Doug Ford ads in front of YouTube videos in the past 2 weeks.

Mighty Middle

Doug Ford says his entire platform is on the PC Party Website

But don't waste your time looking for the PC numbers with their platform, because to do you need to give up your data info. Name, email address and check a box whether you will support Doug Ford or not.

NorthReport

Almost everywhere, conservatives have become the party of fiscal recklessness

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/parkin-almost-everywhere-conser...

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Joe Cressy Retweeted Ontario Liberal Party

In the last 24 hours the official Liberal twitter account has published 9 attacks on the NDP and 1 attack on Doug Ford. I don’t know about you, but in this election I’m more focused on stopping Doug Ford. That’s certainly what voters are telling me on the doorsteps.

https://twitter.com/joe_cressy/status/1001442117581848576

NorthReport

Time is almost over.

Why is Doug Ford's afraid to produce a costed platform?

#1 - Is it because voters would freak out if they ever saw Doug Ford's platform?

#2 - Or is because Doug Ford is not capable of producing it?

#3 - Or finally is it just basically Doug Ford delivering a big FU to the voters of Ontario?

I'll go with #3

NorthReport

Is tomorrow the last day for advanced polls? Get out and vote tomorrow if you can.

NorthReport

What did Kinsella say about Liberals dying with dignity, some dignity, at least a little bit of dignity, or something to that effect!

https://twitter.com/davidakin?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ct...

NorthReport

I wonder if the Toronto Star or the CBC will ever publish an article without taking shots in some way, as they always manage to slide it in, at the NDP.

For victory, NDP needs young supporters to ride the ‘orange wave’ to election polls, expert says

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/05/28/for-victory-ndp-needs...

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Check out this ad about what a Doug Ford government future looks like!

https://twitter.com/actwow/status/1001220531415216128

NorthReport

Why Doug Ford’s appeal transcends racial lines

https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/nek7zd/why-doug-fords-appeal-transce...

Mighty Middle

NorthReport wrote:

I wonder if the Toronto Star or the CBC will ever publish an article without taking shots in some way, as they always manage to slide it in, at the NDP.

For victory, NDP needs young supporters to ride the ‘orange wave’ to election polls, expert says

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/05/28/for-victory-ndp-needs...

Just like in the United States, the press wants Ford to win. He is much more exciting for journalists to cover and (though I have no evidence) it would probably boost newspaper circulations and supper time news ratings. Trump has already done that for USA outlets

The bottom line is money. If Ford can increase their circulation numbers and ratings (who doesn't want to witness a train wreck), it means higher profits for them. That is why they are being such apoligists for Ford, glossing over many of his questionable candidates and links to Rebel Media and other 3rd Party Conservative Groups.

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I wonder if the Toronto Star or the CBC will ever publish an article without taking shots in some way, as they always manage to slide it in, at the NDP.

For victory, NDP needs young supporters to ride the ‘orange wave’ to election polls, expert says

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/05/28/for-victory-ndp-needs...

Just like in the United States, the press wants Ford to win. He is much more exciting for journalists to cover and (though I have no evidence) it would probably boost newspaper circulations and supper time news ratings. Trump has already done that for USA outlets

The bottom line is money. If Ford can increase their circulation numbers and ratings (who doesn't want to witness a train wreck), it means higher profits for them. That is why they are being such apoligists for Ford, glossing over many of his questionable candidates and links to Rebel Media and other 3rd Party Conservative Groups.

This is very true.

There is nobody without an interest -- and the media likes someone who will make news. Look at the US and Trump for the same thing.

That said back in the 80s and 90s I often heard that reporters were more often Conservative or NDP but the outlets were often Liberal. We should ot assume that the interest of the outlet or editorial is the same as the beat reporter and camera people. Since the 1990s the politicization of the news rooms became more commonplace and this started with the Conrad Black outlets who demanded right of centre positions from many people who previously had been left alone. Before then you often had to read an editorial to get a sense of the outlets stance becuase other reporters were more or less free.

As the media became more desperate and readership/viewers could not be taken for granted this bias towards anything that will make news became more important. Years ago people who bought papers bought them every day. Now you need to have a reason to want to. (And of course that will be mostly online.)

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I wonder if the Toronto Star or the CBC will ever publish an article without taking shots in some way, as they always manage to slide it in, at the NDP.

For victory, NDP needs young supporters to ride the ‘orange wave’ to election polls, expert says

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/05/28/for-victory-ndp-needs...

Just like in the United States, the press wants Ford to win. He is much more exciting for journalists to cover and (though I have no evidence) it would probably boost newspaper circulations and supper time news ratings. Trump has already done that for USA outlets

The bottom line is money. If Ford can increase their circulation numbers and ratings (who doesn't want to witness a train wreck), it means higher profits for them. That is why they are being such apoligists for Ford, glossing over many of his questionable candidates and links to Rebel Media and other 3rd Party Conservative Groups.

This is very true.

There is nobody without an interest -- and the media likes someone who will make news. Look at the US and Trump for the same thing.

That said back in the 80s and 90s I often heard that reporters were more often Conservative or NDP but the outlets were often Liberal. We should ot assume that the interest of the outlet or editorial is the same as the beat reporter and camera people. Since the 1990s the politicization of the news rooms became more commonplace and this started with the Conrad Black outlets who demanded right of centre positions from many people who previously had been left alone. Before then you often had to read an editorial to get a sense of the outlets stance becuase other reporters were more or less free.

As the media became more desperate and readership/viewers could not be taken for granted this bias towards anything that will make news became more important. Years ago people who bought papers bought them every day. Now you need to have a reason to want to. (And of course that will be mostly online.)

People bought papers for information they could not get anywhere else. Stock prices. Sports tables. But I think what really did newspapers in the most was Craigslist. Papers used to make a fortune on classified ads. Now it is all gone.

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This race on babble seems to have been all about the leaders and the parties. Are there any local races of interest to you?

NorthReport

There is one riding where all the candidates are quite young but don’t know the name of it

That’s impressive

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NorthReport

Nice to see Canada moving away from the tightwad US system and moving towards a more worker friendly society

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/its-a-promise-that-someone-else-pays-for-ndp-draws-business-ire-with-call-for-three-weeks-vacation-after-one-year

NorthReport
Ciabatta2

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Andrea needs to start asking Liberals for their vote to defeat Ford. Not much time left.

No absolutely she does not.

People can see and where it makes a difference figure it out themselves. It will look bad for Andrea if she does this. It will get used against the NDP in future elections and the NDP does not believe in this excepting in the ridings it would make a difference and there are very few of them and the people living there are able to see it for themselves.

I suspect that this has already happened which is why the Liberal vote may be more consolidated than people realize meaning they may hold more seats than anyone is predicting.

Agreed. This would be political kryptonite for the NDP.  Saying it will only get her negative impressions, bad press, and make the party look disingenuous and inconsistent.  I wonder if they can resist the urge.  Andrea going after Ford like crazy in the debate suggests that her party knows this and will avoid.

NorthReport

Liberals ignored green energy advice that could’ve saved Ontarians billions, lead engineer says

https://globalnews.ca/news/4237041/ontario-liberals-ignored-advice-could...

Mighty Middle

Ciabatta2 wrote:

Agreed. This would be political kryptonite for the NDP.  Saying it will only get her negative impressions, bad press, and make the party look disingenuous and inconsistent.  I wonder if they can resist the urge.  Andrea going after Ford like crazy in the debate suggests that her party knows this and will avoid.

Maybe she could say only the NDP can defeat Ford? That is what certain city councillors and NDP pundits are saying on twitter & other social media platforms. 

NorthReport

NDP’s momentum comes as voters reject Doug Ford’s ‘man of the people’ act

https://globalnews.ca/news/4241714/tom-parkin-doug-ford-man-of-the-peopl...

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Ciabatta2 wrote:

Agreed. This would be political kryptonite for the NDP.  Saying it will only get her negative impressions, bad press, and make the party look disingenuous and inconsistent.  I wonder if they can resist the urge.  Andrea going after Ford like crazy in the debate suggests that her party knows this and will avoid.

Maybe she could say only the NDP can defeat Ford? That is what certain city councillors and NDP pundits are saying on twitter & other social media platforms. 

Why??? She does not need to say anything. Anyone who would react to that know already. This is a Liberal tactic to try to move pople by telling them to vote strategically and it never looks good for the NDP to try it and it does not help anyway.

NorthReport

Great news!

CP rail strike is over (well the Teamsters members have to ratify it), which is exactly what Andrea has been saying about allowing the collective bargaining process to happen.

NorthReport
NorthReport

Andrea needs to remind voters of this dumbass decision, and Ford's idiotic solution to it.

The day Kathleen Wynne lost the 2018 election

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/05/30/the-day-kathl...

NorthReport

All hell would break loose if the NDP ever did this 

Doug Ford has just announced there will be no costed platform from him

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/05/30/pcs-reveal-how-much-promises-will-cost-but-not-how-theyll-pay-for-them.html

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Tom Parkin Retweeted Brad Clark

Huh. Former PC MPP.

Tom Parkin added,

Brad Clark @clark_bv

Dear @fordnation , You have promised your candidates and the public a costed election platform. It is not enough to ask people to vote against the LIBs and NDP. While your candidates will not speak out in public, I will.…

 

https://twitter.com/Tom_Parkin_/status/1001948760837107713

NorthReport

For voters, Horwath provides a safe harbour in stormy Tory waters

 

STRATFORD— On the campaign trail, Andrea Horwath’s whistlestop tour is on a roll.

Another day, another poll showing her New Democrats climbing. And cutting a swath through southwestern Ontario, methodically mowing the Liberals’ lawn and encroaching on Tory territory.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/05/30/for-voters-ho...

NorthReport

 

Vote Compass: Horwath taps those weary of Wynne, fearful of Ford

NDP appears to be drawing support away from the Liberal base

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/horwath-ford-analysis-1.4682106

NorthReport

Here's a Doug Ford headline:

Doug Ford's platform mentions beer more often than women!

A campaign platform reveals a lot about a party’s values. The “platform” mentions beer more than it mentions women. It also doesn’t mention social services, OSAP, pharmacare, dental care, pensions ... I could go on. Honestly. Is this some kind of joke?

2:17 PM - 30 May 2018 from London, Ontario

https://twitter.com/KateMarieGraham/status/1001935728937353216

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You wonder if this guy can tie his own shoelaces.

NorthReport

The Doug Ford Platform:

Ontario PC Platform Is A List Of Costed Promises Without Details On How To Pay For Them

They promised a costed platform. They released a list of promises with price tags.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/30/ontario-pc-platform-2018-doug-f...

NorthReport

Andrea has good humour and the people's touch. 

NDP bus breakdowns during swing through southwestern Ontario

https://www.cp24.com/news/ndp-bus-breakdowns-during-swing-through-southw...

NorthReport

Check this out in Wapo - Empty Populism vs Social Democracy

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Ontario is choosing between empty populism and social democracy. Seems like a no-brainer.

https://twitter.com/queerthoughts/status/1001965601827557376

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NorthReport

Great timing - read the comments!

PCs holding a big $1,000-a-ticket fundraiser on Thursday night, with former premier Mike Harris as the special guest speaker.

https://twitter.com/CBCQueensPark/status/1001810457886420992

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Misfit wrote:

What bothers me about this election is that many of the people voting in NDP or no to doing it necessarily because they like the NDP but rather they're voting against the other two.

sorry Musfit, I like some of your comments so please forgive me for my comment. 

But that’s a load a garbage! In fact, most of the comments if not at least half of what I’ve read since last at this thread is just garbage to read. 

Everyone here is an old person or at least is that’s where many commentators mindset is at!

Ive been hearing a lot of attacks on Horwath and her candidates, and their fuckin awesome!!! I was driving home on the gardiner expressway and I seen an anti NDP add with Bob Rae’s picture beside Andrea! Fuckin Awesome! And fuckin hilarious at the same time!

Im hearing attacks calling ONDP candidates self proclaimed Marxists and anti police. 

These attacks are driving the ONDP polling numbers higher and higher!

This is for several reasons 

First it’s free advertising. Constant ONDP exposure. Secondly people are only so stupid. Like the saying goes fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. And thirdly we’re finally starting to see the twilight of the brainwashed baby boomer voters!(and oh god it couldn’t come soon enough!) But not all baby boomers are brainwashed into materialism greed. 

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Sorry to burst your bubble but my opinions are not garbage. I think you don't understand what I'm getting at is the problem.

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I live in Saskatchewan and the NDP governed for 50 years in our history. With the exception of Manitoba and BC and perhaps the Territories, The NDP cannot survive  more than one term.

So the other provinces have this scenario where they get elected on an anti-other party shit storm and only last one term in office.

The Ontario NDP has a very dedicated core support base and these people are fantastic. But outside that core of support, you have a large mass of undecided voters who look to the Liberals and the Conservatives and only consider the NDP in very rare circumstances. 

 Therefore the NDP has been more of a reactionary party to victory and it  has to learn how to get reelected where undecided voters get a serious look that this is a very legitimate alternative to the other two mainline parties.

back during the days of the CCF the politics was very polarized but people who supported the CCF in large numbers were voting for something and that for something kept getting them re-elected.

Ontario has to learn to see the NDP as a positive choice for progressive change.

AND GET RE-ELECTED!!!

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Re: Doug Fords Lack of a Costing Platform:

Dave Hudak pledged in his campaign for the last election that he would cut 10,000 civil service jobs. He tanked in the polls.

 So Doug Ford figured that he would be clever and say that he's going to cut $6 billion dollars and it wouldn't cost anybody any jobs. 

He can't come up with any specific figures because it can't be done without sacrificing jobs and government services.

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Check this out in Wapo - Empty Populism vs Social Democracy

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Ontario is choosing between empty populism and social democracy. Seems like a no-brainer.

 

https://twitter.com/queerthoughts/status/1001965601827557376

"Empty populism" is a redundant phrase.

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