Ontario Election June 7, 2018

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Have you noticed Ford is so unpopular he is not make PC announcements today

https://globalnews.ca/news/4249094/kathleen-wynne-concedes-ontario-election/

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Ujjal Dosangh basically did the same thing in BC and the NDP were wiped off the political map and lost official party status Did you notice how silent Ford has been over Wynne’s comments This is perfect timing for Andrea’s big rally tomorrow morning in Toronto This Wynne announcement can only help the NDP Hopefully Andrea will reach out to Liberal supporters tomorrow with some empathy for them

A "You stayed loyal, even when your leader threw in the towel.  You deserve better than that, and you will GET better than that if you vote for us on Thursday" appeal would work well.

And, ironically, a pledge to introduce pr might actually win some of those voters over, since they would see it as a way to make it easier to keep THEIR party alive(as the Liberals did in the UK AFTER being knocked down to third place in the election of 1924.

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And, ironically, a pledge to introduce pr might actually win some of those voters over, since they would see it as a way to make it easier to keep THEIR party alive(as the Liberals did in the UK AFTER being knocked down to third place in the election of 1924.

I doubt that Liberal supporters are looking back 90 years for guidance.  I'm betting that that they think when Wynne gets replaced, it'll be smooth sailing again.  The Liberals have never needed a new electoral system to keep bobbing back up to the top.

NorthReport

Just do the math.  A high percentage of Liberal voter’s second choice is the NDP. This freak show by the Liberals might be enough to make Andrea Horwath Premier. We will have to wait and see for that.

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Bingo!

Who in the world would vote for a party whose Leader before the election  has just announced that they are a failure and have no chance whatsoever of winning. I would hazard a guess: not many.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MariekeWalsh/status/1002928086558695425

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Wynne doesn’t want a majority government yet the Liberals have been governing with one for how many years now? Pathetic.

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Wynne admitting defeat may be the opening Horwath needs

 

Throwing in the towel as she has in a plaintive request to hold the balance of power is cynical to say the very least. But it may be the best thing that’s happened to Horwath this whole campaign.

 

It appears NDP momentum has stalled, and Horwath seems to be locked in a dead heat with Ford’s PCs. Admitting defeat with less than a week left is a move that’s so dramatic it’s guaranteed to cut through the noise and bring the election choices into plain view for voters. Wynne has likely done Horwath a big favour, telling voters directly that she has no hope to stop Ford herself, and making it clear to progressive voters there’s only one choice to do so.

What was very clear today that Kathleen Wynne cares more about her political party than stopping Ford. Hopefully progressive voters, especially those who traditionally vote Liberal, will take note.

It was shocking to see Wynne, with a straight face, say there is equivalent risk to Ontario presented by a Premier Ford and a Premier Horwath. Ford and his team are ready to slash spending to the very social programs she claims to support, as the Liberals themselves admit in their newest ad.

In the week’s other big campaign news, Ford conceded in his own way. He now has the honour of being the first leader in a modern Canadian campaign to flat out refuse to show his math in releasing a fully costed platform. What we do know about Ford’s plan is that he has promised $6 billion in cuts. He simply won’t tell people where those cuts will come from. Health care? Education? Childcare? Who knows. His tax cut will benefit the rich, offering average income people just $18 a year. After starting the campaign on a high, Ford has been losing support, and the risk of his plan to Ontario families is surely the culprit.

For Wynne and her team to tell Ontario voters that a vote for the Liberals is a vote to keep Ford honest is dishonest. A vote for the Liberals at this point just risks handing Ford the very majority he wants. The only way to stop him is to vote for Horwath’s NDP. The Liberals know this, and yet they will happily risk making Doug Ford Premier in a vain attempt to save what may amount to a handful of seats. They roll out this plea, acting like they are putting the province first, accusing anyone calling them on their obvious hypocrisy of being cynical.

Polls have showed repeatedly that Ontario voters believe Andrea Horwath would make the best Premier, and they have a chance to see that happen. But the only way they can assure she is Premier, the only way progressive voters can stop Ford, is to vote NDP. By conceding the election and admitting a vote for the Liberals is voting for third place, Wynne may have given Horwath the opening she needs in the final days for that message to penetrate.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/06/02/opinion/wynne-admitting-defe...

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bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

Ujjal Dosangh basically did the same thing in BC and the NDP were wiped off the political map and lost official party status 

I don't think there's a cause and effect there.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/bc-election-2001-party-preferences

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_general_election,_2001#Re...

jerrym

bekayne wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Ujjal Dosangh basically did the same thing in BC and the NDP were wiped off the political map and lost official party status 

I don't think there's a cause and effect there.

There may not be a cause and effect but there is a correlation. 

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If Ford wins, it will because Liberals put him there.

Mighty Middle

progressive17 wrote:

If Ford wins, it will because Liberals put him there.

So when Kathleen Wynne conceded yesterday, what was she supposed to say?

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How about asking people to vote Liberal show support for what they stand for.  State that the Liberal Party has a lot of superior candidates and that whatever the results are they will work to put forward the Liberal agenda.

Mighty Middle

Pogo wrote:

How about asking people to vote Liberal show support for what they stand for.  State that the Liberal Party has a lot of superior candidates and that whatever the results are they will work to put forward the Liberal agenda.

What do you think she said yesterday?

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She did not need to concede anything. Usually parties falling apart state that the polls don't reflect what they are seeing on the ground. They are looking at doing far better than what pundits are predicting and how proud she is of her team. 

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Mighty Middle wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

If Ford wins, it will because Liberals put him there.

So when Kathleen Wynne conceded yesterday, what was she supposed to say?

She was supposed to NOT run any more ads attacking the NDP.  And she was supposed to say that nothing mattered more than stopping Doug Ford.  There was no excuse for her implying that there was some sort of moral equivalence between the PC's and the NDP, between Ford and Horvath.  Is that so hard to understand?

bekayne

Ken Burch wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

If Ford wins, it will because Liberals put him there.

So when Kathleen Wynne conceded yesterday, what was she supposed to say?

She was supposed to NOT run any more ads attacking the NDP.  And she was supposed to say that nothing mattered more than stopping Doug Ford.  There was no excuse for her implying that there was some sort of moral equivalence between the PC's and the NDP, between Ford and Horvath.  Is that so hard to understand?

She was supposed to endorse another party?

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She was supposed to endorse another party?

Not "officially"... *wink*

bekayne
Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

bekayne wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

If Ford wins, it will because Liberals put him there.

So when Kathleen Wynne conceded yesterday, what was she supposed to say?

She was supposed to NOT run any more ads attacking the NDP.  And she was supposed to say that nothing mattered more than stopping Doug Ford.  There was no excuse for her implying that there was some sort of moral equivalence between the PC's and the NDP, between Ford and Horvath.  Is that so hard to understand?

She was supposed to endorse another party?

No.  She was supposed to fight the WORST of the other parties.  She had no excuses for implying that there was moral equivalence between the NDP and the PC's, which is what her ads did.  She could have said "vote Liberal in the ridings where we still have a chance to win...if we're not electable in your riding, vote for the candidate who can stop Doug Ford and the PC's".

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She was supposed to endorse another party?

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No...

She could have said "vote Liberal in the ridings where we still have a chance to win...if we're not electable in your riding, vote for the candidate who can stop Doug Ford and the PC's".

So she was basically supposed to endorse the NDP?

Or were you referring to the new "Party of Objective Truth"?

Because it still sounds like, pragmatically, she'd have had to endorse the NDP.  Or else where in Ontario is another party likely to do better than the NDP to beat the PCs?

NorthReport

The Liberal Party is never ever going to support the NDP. It does not matter if the alternative is Doug Ford, or someone 10 times worse. What's not to understand about that? Just accept it and get on with life.

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The Communist Party is Running 12 Candidates in the 2018 Ontario Election

http://communistpartyontario.ca/candidates

bekayne

It seems there's a party for the neo-Nazis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadians%27_Choice_Party

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

No need for spoiled ballots!  There's a true "left" option.  Everyone moaning that the NDP is "faux left"... here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is.

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The None of the Above Party is also running candidates. I am afraid it could be construed as slightly deceptive advertising. Many people may vote for them when they think they are actually voting for None of the Above. From what I have seen on social media, they are pushing for recall legislation, like the Communist Party of Canada (Ontario). I must admit the policy platform of the CPC(O) is impressive. Nationalize all these industries, and then use the money to build more social programs.

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Doug Ford isn't ready to govern Ontario

 

Voters in Ontario are angry and frustrated and want change. If that wasn’t the case, most of them wouldn’t consider opening a door for Ford, let alone voting for him. But in the current political climate, the man who shouldn’t be allowed to govern his own iTunes account has a shot at winning a majority government.

But he can be stopped. Once conservatives and undecideds reflect on their other options and what a Ford victory would mean for the future of Ontario, I suspect they’ll see through his bullshit and choose someone else.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/06/03/opinion/doug-ford-isnt-ready...

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Remember Mike Harris if you plan to vote for Doug Ford

https://www.mykawartha.com/opinion-story/8647584-remember-mike-harris-if...

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Maybe the voters are just so tired about being lied to by the Liberals.

The Ford factor – Maybe we're not better than Americans after all

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/cohen-the-ford-factor-maybe-...

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Critical gains for women could be lost if Doug Ford wins election in Ontario

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/06/03/critical-gain...

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After spending a lot of time with the data, and I are uncertain where the election will end up. PCs have advantages but the NDP has the most runway to grow. More in this thread or full analysis here ->

https://twitter.com/Colettod/status/1003391944876347393

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NDP eyes sweep of Toronto’s downtown ridings

 

Two months before public opinion polls showed an NDP “surge” in the Ontario election, Cheri DiNovo was already predicting big things for her former party.

On March 10, after Doug Ford won the rushed leadership contest to replace Patrick Brown at the helm of the Progressive Conservative party, the former NDP MPP tweeted: “Wow! Looks like an #ondp gov!”

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/06/02/ndp-eyes-sweep-of-torontos-d...

KarlL

Ken Burch wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

If Ford wins, it will because Liberals put him there.

So when Kathleen Wynne conceded yesterday, what was she supposed to say?

She was supposed to NOT run any more ads attacking the NDP.  And she was supposed to say that nothing mattered more than stopping Doug Ford.  There was no excuse for her implying that there was some sort of moral equivalence between the PC's and the NDP, between Ford and Horvath.  Is that so hard to understand?

She was supposed to endorse another party?

No.  She was supposed to fight the WORST of the other parties.  She had no excuses for implying that there was moral equivalence between the NDP and the PC's, which is what her ads did.  She could have said "vote Liberal in the ridings where we still have a chance to win...if we're not electable in your riding, vote for the candidate who can stop Doug Ford and the PC's".

A clarion call that we have heard from NDP leaders like...none of them...ever. 

KW is the leader of a party in the last stages of a losing election campaign and she is trying to help sauve qui peut.  Her role before election day is to gain whatever traction she can toward that end.  But she will still be Liberal leader on June 8, unless she walks way on Thursday (and won't if it is not a majority PC or NDP government) and if there is a scintilla of possibility of helping stop Doug Ford, that's what she will do.

 

KarlL

NorthReport wrote:

After spending a lot of time with the data, and I are uncertain where the election will end up. PCs have advantages but the NDP has the most runway to grow. More in this thread or full analysis here ->

https://twitter.com/Colettod/status/1003391944876347393

What the Coleto/Anderson Onpulse poll also shows is that 1/5 of voters have voted already and that 27% of them voted Liberal, 30% NDP and 34% PC.  If correct, and sustained on June 7, those numbers stand a chance of leading to an NDP minority government even if the PCs end up with more seats.  On a province-wide basis, you need the Liberal vote to elect some Liberal MPPs, in PC-Liberal fights, or else the NDP will lose.

Sean in Ottawa

KarlL wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

If Ford wins, it will because Liberals put him there.

So when Kathleen Wynne conceded yesterday, what was she supposed to say?

She was supposed to NOT run any more ads attacking the NDP.  And she was supposed to say that nothing mattered more than stopping Doug Ford.  There was no excuse for her implying that there was some sort of moral equivalence between the PC's and the NDP, between Ford and Horvath.  Is that so hard to understand?

She was supposed to endorse another party?

No.  She was supposed to fight the WORST of the other parties.  She had no excuses for implying that there was moral equivalence between the NDP and the PC's, which is what her ads did.  She could have said "vote Liberal in the ridings where we still have a chance to win...if we're not electable in your riding, vote for the candidate who can stop Doug Ford and the PC's".

A clarion call that we have heard from NDP leaders like...none of them...ever. 

KW is the leader of a party in the last stages of a losing election campaign and she is trying to help sauve qui peut.  Her role before election day is to gain whatever traction she can toward that end.  But she will still be Liberal leader on June 8, unless she walks way on Thursday (and won't if it is not a majority PC or NDP government) and if there is a scintilla of possibility of helping stop Doug Ford, that's what she will do.

 

I think what you say is logical and possible but not certain. It is also possible that she will want to stop Ford and the majority of remaining Liberals may feel the same and all might understand that in order to do so the best course is if she walk away. If she wins a seat she will be pressed to keep it if they win very few. If she loses then a leader in the house without her backage might be a better choice for the party to move forward at such a difficult time and for any deals. They may also, if they are going to help the NDP, decide to have a leadership after a couple years so that the new leader does not ahve a history of supporting the NDP in the next election. This is important cover.

So while logical, I think there are other equally logical considerations that just might lead to a fast resignation.

As well, personally, I think a fast resignation might be the easiest course. In fact there would have to be a very strong argument to stick around. I think with a seat she would stay in the House but without one she would resign on everything and go to private life -- maybe even a Trudeau appointment.

Wynne is not without skills and you would think the Liberals federally could find a job for her that she may do well with. She would want that as I am sure she would like to end her career better than this. Given that Federal politics is not certain she is not going to wait till after next year to see if there is a Federal Liberal to help her but will go now when an appointment is more certain. If the federal Conservatives were to win, she would have few options.

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Wynne’s political brilliance is right up there with Ujjal Dosangh. Morons both of them.

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Looks like Ontario is going the way of the USA and will be electing a bunch of thugs.

Ford planned to drop by a Woodbridge bakery today, his campaign team said in the a.m. Just after, word of an internal Toronto police investgtn into officer & Scarborough-Guildwood PC candidate Roshan Nallaratnam broke. Now, after 1.5 hours of silence, his team says he won’t show.

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    Famous last words, "I will bring accountability, transparency and integrity back to the people of Ontario [opening remarks, debate May 7th]" Clearly, not happening.

    https://twitter.com/ChrisAReynolds/status/1003684234832285696

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    BREAKING: have launched a professional standards investigation into TPS officer and Scarborough-Guildwood PC candidate Roshan Nallaratnam after alleged threats he made during the campaign.

     

    https://twitter.com/karivierimaa/status/1003644709934391297

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    Liberals must vote NDP to protect Ontario’s progressive legacy

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2018/06/04/liberals-must-vo...

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    I was following the thread about the NDP cabinet, and and decided to check on who was in the shadow cabinet during the last session. I put in “Ontario NDP”, and the top hit informed me that only Nathalie Des Rosiers could beat the NDP. I live in Ottawa Vanier. Has anyone had a similar experience in another riding?  This is dirty pool, imho 

    https://action.ontarioliberal.ca/desrosiers-stop-ndp?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrK6biNC62wIVTCOBCh1czQEsEAAYASAAEgLjMfD_BwE

     

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    Scarborough-Guildwood's Liberal candidate Mitzi Hunter is very popular and well liked and judging by the relative absence of any other signage, looks like she may hang on to the seat. Especially in light of the breaking story on the CON candidate. Haven't seen hide nor hair of the NDP.

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    Nice to see the Liberals going out in the same style they governed: using provincial resources for partisan messages

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