Premier Kathleen Wynne

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Pondering

Okay this is bizarre and seemingly out of character.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02/26/ontario-basic-income_n_9328264.h...

What that pilot project will look like, and what it will cost, is not yet known. In its budget documents, unveiled Thursday, the Liberal government of Premier Kathleen Wynne said it would “work with communities, researchers and other stakeholders in 2016 to determine how best to design and implement a Basic Income pilot.”

Finance Minister Charles Sousa said the province will decide whether to make a basic income permanent on the basis of that pilot project, the Globe and Mail reported.

What a sad state of affairs that it is left to Wynne to promote Basic Income. 

 

mark_alfred

I think it's potentially a good thing.  Generally minimum income programs take most other benefits and combine them into one.  Potentially it results in a loss for some, I assume.  However, I think overall it could be a good thing.  Something to watch.

Geoff

Pondering wrote:

Okay this is bizarre and seemingly out of character.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02/26/ontario-basic-income_n_9328264.h...

What that pilot project will look like, and what it will cost, is not yet known. In its budget documents, unveiled Thursday, the Liberal government of Premier Kathleen Wynne said it would “work with communities, researchers and other stakeholders in 2016 to determine how best to design and implement a Basic Income pilot.”

Finance Minister Charles Sousa said the province will decide whether to make a basic income permanent on the basis of that pilot project, the Globe and Mail reported.

What a sad state of affairs that it is left to Wynne to promote Basic Income.

If Wynne is promoting it, we had better read the fine print very carefully. It's probably not good news for the poor in Ontario.

mark_alfred

No mention of child care as a priority in the budget, apparently.  From Rabble:

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In the past, Kathleen Wynne's government has claimed to be eager to work with any willing federal partner on a national child care plan. In a report card on actions and commitments in the last provincial election campaign, the Liberals unequivocally stated they would "take leadership with provinces/territories/federal leaders to put a national child-care program back on the political agenda."

The Ontario Liberals even voted with the NDP in NDP Leader Andrea Horwath's Opposition Day motion last year saying that "this province should partner with the federal government to ensure that every parent in Ontario has access to child care at a cost of no more than $15 a day per child."

So imagine the crushing disappointment in the child-care community that early learning and child care gets no mention in a 15-page chapter listing the Ontario government's priorities for intergovernmental collaboration.

mark_alfred

Apparently the Ontario budget has the deductible for the Ontario Drug Benefit nearly doubling from $100 to $170.  Liberal cutbacks hurting the most vulnerable.

http://www.ontariondp.ca/demand_better_for_seniors

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Many Seniors rely on prescription medication to stay healthy.

1 in 3 Ontario seniors need 10 or more prescriptions for different drugs each year.

But the Liberal budget will mean most seniors are going to see their drug costs almost double.

The deductible for the Ontario Drug Benefit is nearly doubling from $100 to $170 and every time a senior pays for a prescription they’ll be paying more in their co-pay.

There has been no consultation. There has been no warning.

For the majority of Ontario seniors on fixed incomes, this is a huge new cost.

Seniors deserve our respect, they should have access to the prescription drugs they need, when they need them.

More on this here:  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-seniors-drug-benefit-1.347...

terrytowel
Geoff

Scratch a Liberal, and you'll find a Conservative. You can take that one to the bank.

mark_alfred

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/lcbo-250-stores-sell-1.3479384

Now they're selling off the LCBO.  We'll see similar moves to privatization from the federal Liberals too, I'm guessing.

terrytowel

Geoff wrote:

Scratch a Liberal, and you'll find a Conservative. You can take that one to the bank.

Yeah but as Kathleen Wynne said in 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfn2WDzLzAs

mark_alfred

Wynne could have said, 'I plan to privatize everything that I possibly can, so if you want change from the Liberal Tory same old story, vote NDP -- but remember, if you vote NDP, Hudak may win, and while his anti-public service rants are scary, I promise that I will add a spoonful of sugar to make my pro-corporate privatization of everything medicine go down in a most delightful way.'

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I'm not going to celebrate Wynne. But her government's seemingly willingness to implement a basic income is good policy regardless of which colour party this is coming from.

Be happy with this crumb. In Québec we have a right wing ideologue as Premier.Even if it made sense economically (and it does) there's not a snowball's chance that Couillard would consider it.

mark_alfred
Geoff

terrytowel wrote:

Geoff wrote:

Scratch a Liberal, and you'll find a Conservative. You can take that one to the bank.

Yeah but as Kathleen Wynne said in 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfn2WDzLzAs

What else would she say during an election campaign? Wynne and the truth tend to be strangers at the best of times.

Geoff

alan smithee wrote:

I'm not going to celebrate Wynne. But her government's seemingly willingness to implement a basic income is good policy regardless of which colour party this is coming from.

Be happy with this crumb. In Québec we have a right wing ideologue as Premier.Even if it made sense economically (and it does) there's not a snowball's chance that Couillard would consider it.

I agree that Wynne is a crumb, but I'm not happy with her.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Geoff wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

I'm not going to celebrate Wynne. But her government's seemingly willingness to implement a basic income is good policy regardless of which colour party this is coming from.

Be happy with this crumb. In Québec we have a right wing ideologue as Premier.Even if it made sense economically (and it does) there's not a snowball's chance that Couillard would consider it.

I agree that Wynne is a crumb, but I'm not happy with her.

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I can empathize. But at least your government is taking a positive step to address poverty while here in La Belle Province the only address to poverty is a sidewalk or metro bench.

IMO,a basic minimum income should be a federal/provincial project. It makes perfect economic sense and people can stop bitching about 'the panhandlers' and 'squeegies' or,my favourite, 'the bums'

Be thankful that your province is stirring itself in the right direction on the issue of poverty. I can't say I know much else about Ontario Parliament. But be happy they are progressive in at least one sense.

Stockholm

You in Quebec should be thankful that you have $7 a day child care while in Ontario the supposedly progressive Kathleen Wynne totally REJECTS any improvement to the child care system and Ontarians literally have NOTHING in the way of affordable child care. 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Stockholm wrote:

You in Quebec should be thankful that you have $7 a day child care while in Ontario the supposedly progressive Kathleen Wynne totally REJECTS any improvement to the child care system and Ontarians literally have NOTHING in the way of affordable child care. 

I guess I would be if I had kids. A minimum income is far more progressive and would affect many more people.  It's hard for me to give a damn about daycares when I see Third World poverty everyday around my neighbourhood and literally everywhere else in this city.

Can we swap? You can have Couillard and I'll even throw in Frankie Legault to sweeten the deal.

mark_alfred

Them saying they're thinking of maybe doing a study on mincome while they privatize everything and cut services hardly warms my heart.

mark_alfred

Liberal school closures will hurt Ontario’s most vulnerable students

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Today, London-Fanshawe NDP MPP Teresa Armstrong was joined by students, parents and advocates in calling on the government to ensure that specialized (provincial and demonstration) schools that support Deaf, blind, deafblind, and/or severely learning disabled students in Ontario will remain open and that the application process for next year will be unfrozen.

“The government refuses to clarify whether or not schools will close,” stated Armstrong. “The closure of these schools will leave students and families with nowhere else to turn. New Democrats, parents and advocates call on this government to unfreeze applications for next year and commit to keeping these specialized schools open.”

mark_alfred

Geoff

Would anyone care to speculate about the veracity of rumours that the Liberals are preparing to give Wynne the hook before the next election?

Paladin1

Geoff wrote:

Would anyone care to speculate about the veracity of rumours that the Liberals are preparing to give Wynne the hook before the next election?

She not Wynneing anymore?

quizzical

from out here in BC i would say what's the point? doesn't matter if it's a PC or LIb government they're getting.....

majority of ON people keep voting against their own best interests. doesn't matter if it's provincial or federal.

watched a program on Global the other night about rural peoples in ON hydro bills. 1000/month?

was affixing a price to transmission of hydro on top of usage the Tories or the Liberals?

mark_alfred

I don't think the Wynne government has a chance next election.  Granted, June of 2018 is still a long way off.  So, things could change.  But right now I don't know how they can regain the public trust.  Recent polls have them in 3rd after the Cons and NDP (1st and 2nd respectively, though the Libs are a close third).

Here's more trouble for the Liberals:  Auditor general slams Wynne government over hospital wait times, shoddy road construction

Geoff

mark_alfred wrote:

I don't think the Wynne government has a chance next election.  Granted, June of 2018 is still a long way off.  So, things could change.  But right now I don't know how they can regain the public trust.  Recent polls have them in 3rd after the Cons and NDP (1st and 2nd respectively, though the Libs are a close third).

Here's more trouble for the Liberals:  Auditor general slams Wynne government over hospital wait times, shoddy road construction

I'm pretty sure pundits were saying the same thing before the last provincial election, "Wynne doesn't have a chance". It didn't quite work out that way, so if we really want to see her gone, we're going to have to work at it and take nothing for granted.

Ciabatta2

Her polling numbers may be low, but it won't be a blowout.  I think the Liberals will remain competitive.  The polls are too far out and not linked to the election. Wynne will be able to play off the scary conservatives again, link them to the rise of Trump, and really put the squeeze on the NDP - who, after the federal blowout and the rise of Trudeau, have no provincial momentum and limited ground game.

josh

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