Premier McGuinty resigns

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ctrl190
Premier McGuinty resigns
Todrick of Chat...

This is the best news I have heard all year.

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I'm watching P&P, and they cut away to his announcement - my jaw dropped. First we get rid of Charest, now McGuinty. A good day. I hope the provincial NDP in Ontario really gets moving now - anything to stop Hudak.

ctrl190

Twitter in a tizzy about McGuinty potentially throwing his hat into the federal leadership race.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I think McGuinty wants a low profile now because there's a huge scandal brewing.

mark_alfred

I think he sees the writing on the wall that come next election the Ontario Liberals will follow in their federal brethren's footsteps and drop to third place.  He decided to abandon the sinking ship now while he still could.

jjuares

I wonder what the chances of him running for the leadership of the LPC are?

autoworker autoworker's picture

ctrl190 wrote:

Twitter in a tizzy about McGuinty potentially throwing his hat into the federal leadership race.

Dalton-mania!

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

On CTV: Both Hudak and Horwath highly critical of the prorogation - completely unnecessary. Horwath suspects it's because of the contempt motion - or whatever it is - over moving a gas plant - something I know nothing about.

CTV's Power Play is covering this right now.  George Smitherman is a guest.

Sineed

Well if we look at how Harper has used prorogation, it's about damage control. So yeah; it's because of the gas plant scandal IMV. Otherwise, why now?

On the CBC news, a couple of potential leadership candidates were discussed, including many of the ones listed by ctrl190 in post #5. Here's another one they suggested - hang on to your socks: Michael Bryant.

ctrl190

Take it for what it's worth...

CP - 'Federal Liberal leadership campaign building around Ontario premier: sources'

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/canada/federal+liberal+leadership+campai...

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Next to go: Christy Clark

ctrl190

Some potential leadership candidates that come to mind:

 

Gerrard Kennedy

Glen Murray

Kathleen Wynne

George Smitherman

Yasir Naqvi

Chris Bentley

Deb Matthews

infracaninophile infracaninophile's picture

Good riddance!  

Definitely an attempt to exit before the roof crashes in.  I don't know how reliable this analysis is (which I read about a week ago, and which made me consider then that Dalton might be on the way out), but the math makes sense:

http://thelittleeducationreport.com/ "Could the Ontario Liberals be Reduced to Just 3 Seats?"

Sineed

I don't know - when the federal Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats, there was a level of visceral hatred amongst the electorate I just don't see here. The level of corruption in Dalton's gov't looks like the usual sort you see after a party has been in power for long enough.

Doug

Boom Boom wrote:

On CTV: Both Hudak and Horwath highly critical of the prorogation - completely unnecessary. Horwath suspects it's because of the contempt motion - or whatever it is - over moving a gas plant - something I know nothing about.

 

There is that, but much more importantly it's to stop the opposition from voting non-confidence in the government before the Liberals can select and install a new leader.

janfromthebruce

I'm thinking that there is more to this than just the contempt of parliament but real corruption coming forward soon to a govt near you. I look at what is happening to the inquiry with kickbacks, and the mob with the lib govt there and wonder about that corruption coming to light in good old liberal ontario.

I also wonder about Dalton taking the hit for the libs and running for the federal liberal leadership - a faux run - but to help his little buddy out - Justin.

Remember little Justin did a cute robocall for McGuinty in the Kitchener/Waterloo byelection in September in Ontario - a cool NDP pickup of a long time held Conservative seat that the Libs flipped to try to get a majority but the political gamemanship backfired big time when he decided to screw the education community.

See Justin robocall - Captain Canada (Robo)calling: Ontario Liberals deploy Justin Trudeau to deliver national unity-themed anti-NDP pitch in Kitchener by-election

What was so stupid about this robocall is that Trudeau's call for his friend Dalton liberal wanted the to vote liberal so that Dalton could "remove the charter rights of teachers to bargain collectively". Now that was crazy. Says how much he thinks of his Dad's signature legislation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

So perhaps, to help his buddy who appears as ethically challenged as McGuinty, is step not provincially and run a fake federal campaign and make Justin's corrination less obvious.

And yeah, I do think Liberals are that stupid!

onlinediscountanvils

[url=http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1053123/caw-president-reacts-to-resignat... President, Ken Lewenza: McGuinty has improved the lives of many Ontarians during his tenure as Premier[/url]

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peterjcassidy peterjcassidy's picture

ctrl190 wrote:

Some potential leadership candidates that come to mind:

 

Gerrard Kennedy

Glen Murray

Kathleen Wynne

George Smitherman

Yasir Naqvi

Chris Bentley

Deb Matthews

 

Bob Rae??

Stockholm

I hear Michael Bryant needs a job - perhaps he can run!

Brachina

peterjcassidy wrote:

ctrl190 wrote:

Some potential leadership candidates that come to mind:

 

Gerrard Kennedy

Glen Murray

Kathleen Wynne

George Smitherman

Yasir Naqvi

Chris Bentley

Deb Matthews

 

Bob Rae??

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I'd love that, Andrea Horwath vs. Bob Rae.

I hope this also means Dalton runs federally and brings his scandals with him.

I am annoyed though that this means no spring election.

This is also bad news for Hudak, it gives the Tories a chance to dump him.

I really didn't think Dalton would do anything this crazy as resigning as Premier during a minority.

And Progueing is just rotten, basically abaddoning Ontario to fend for itself, the Gods hope that no major crisis happens in the mean time.

Use it to remind people of Harper.

Max Horkheimer Max Horkheimer's picture

After reading through all the comments I think I can now safely add a word or two.

First, I think this should be a moment to seize upon by the progressive left, meaning groups like students fighting for ultimately publicly funded post-secondary education and the NDP, should act now, and perhaps consider working in concert, although it is well known amongst progressive people that the NDP still needs encouragement on these points, so perhaps some extra coaxing may be in order. Whether this happens is another story.

Second, its been said that the CAW President Ken Lewenza has spoken well of McGuinty in light of his efforts for the auto industry I gather(?). I wonder regardless what Sam Gindin, former Assistant to the President of the CAW and current professor at York University, thinks about McGuinty's track record, because I Imagine he's probably not as fond of his role. Although McGuinty might have done small measures like urge Catapillar back to the bargaining table with CAW before McGuinty's measures ultimately failed with the closure of the plant, I gather that Dalton showed good intentions and that's why CAW President Ken Lewenza spoke well of him? I know Gindin felt the workers should've taken over that plant and not allowed it to be senselessly shut down. I know Sam Gindin has written with Leo Panitch about global capitalism, and I can imagine Dalton's other actions to freeze public sector wages being seen by Gindin as innefectual for solving the current capitalist crisis of rising unemployment in a market where no one wants to spend and so nothing is improving and the wage freezes are only making it more difficult for the economy to get get back on its feet again when wages are frozen or decreased through two tiered wage systems, etc. This in fact is me extrapolating from knowledge coming from the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, stating these kinds of policies, McGuinty-like policies, are what are at the root of our economic troubles.

Here's the report explained:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...

This should be the time to fight for higher wages, and especially because of the prorougation, it is perhaps time to protest this as an attempt by McGuinty to put pressure on settling wage freeze agreements, but instead the pressure should be put on McGuinty for trying such an underhanded move to secure ill advised decisions for an economy that needs higher wages, not lower ones.

Here's the idea though, no support for this position can be secured by the public without their inclusion in higher wages, so this argument has to be extended ultimately to see that autoworkers making more to build cars that still not the rest of the public can afford asside from guaranteeing car makers can still buy their own constructions, overall this won't do too much to improve these manufacturing industries unless more than just the workers in the factories are able to buy cars as well.

Perhaps we don't want to talk about these polluting vehicles all too much, but the same wage freeze and two-tier pay systems have the same adverse effects on other jobs as well, and not just those in manufacturing. Where are we expecting to send all this stuff that we build but are fast becoming too poor to afford all of it ourselves? As explained in some of those links, if every country is trying to lower wages and make profits by exporting products elsewhere, then its going to boil down to there not really being anyone to sell our stuff to. It seems rather that every country has an obligation to ensure that its citizens get paid enough so that their economy can improve and their soceity with it. This is something that should be encouraged in international development plans as well as local municipal and nation economic models.

PErhaps throughout all of this, the NDP will gain a further footing in Ontario, which would be nice. XD

Michelle

Stockholm wrote:

I hear Michael Bryant needs a job - perhaps he can run!

Some pundit on CTV speculated about Bryant running last night.  Wouldn't surprise me if he was considering it - he's been going to a lot of trouble to rehabilitate himself in the public eye, and I can't imagine he'd bother unless he was planning to get into politics again at some point.  According to this pundit, Bryant is still attending high-powered Liberal events.

Anyhow, I don't think much of McGuinty proroguing Queen's Park for a Liberal leadership election.  Pretty sad.

But it's really amusing watching all the apoplectic Conservative pundits and politicians whining about it.  Hypocrisy knows no bounds with Conservatives - I'm sure they had no problem at all with Harper when he did it twice.

adma

Actually, I think Bryant's successor Eric Hoskins should also be viewed as a dark horse contender...

nicky

There is some speculation, notably by Warren Kinsella, that McGuinty may run for the federal Liberal leadership.

This seems quite improbable to me for any number of reasons:

1. Why wd he want it?

2. Trudeau seems to have a lock on it.

3. McGuinty will be seen as abandoning Ontario politics beseiged by scandals and with his tail between his legs.

4. Poor French ability.

I am not certain about the latter but have no memory of him ever speaking French in public. can anyone comment on his French ability?

Rabble_Incognito

Where would we be without Rob Ford weighing in?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/10/15/toronto-mayor-for...

With Rob Ford, you not only get a Mayor of Toronto, you also get the power of premonition!

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Someone asked on FB if the Speaker (or someone...) would actually grant McGuinty the prorogation.

Unionist

nicky wrote:

I am not certain about the latter but have no memory of him ever speaking French in public. can anyone comment on his French ability?

I can't say whether he has improved since 2007:

http://youtu.be/X8_UTdv9meg

 

socialdemocrati...

I think the NDP can seize the agenda too, but a lot depends on how the Liberals position themselves.

Things DO have to improve for the province. With the legacy of Bob Rae not far from peoples' minds, the Provincial NDP is in the same boat as the Federal NDP. People are starting to realize that the NDP is the only party that's looking out for working people. But the same people have bought into powerful myths about "fiscal conservatism".

If the NDP can come up with a credible way to get the budget back on track (not even balance it), they can seize the agenda. A real alternative to austerity. François Hollande is showing a credible way forward, although France is not Ontario, and the Eurozone is not Canada.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

This latest use of prorogation just highlights that Canada is not a functioning democracy.  BC's legislation is not going to sit until just before a budget is introduced in late February and the election campaign will start then.  There are issues arising almost daily that the OO has no opportunity to raise in the forum that is supposed to be our democratic means of representation.

The whole point of a parliamentary "democracy" is that representatives of the people can speak to the actions of the Crown. When that function is taken away then there is no democratic means for the people to bring their grievances to the "King."

Canadian democracy is a sham that more and more people just consider to be irrelevant.  These actions will just lead to further disengagement by the public in the electoral process however IMO the powers that be do not think that is a bad thing.

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Policywonk

Boom Boom wrote:

Someone asked on FB if the Speaker (or someone...) would actually grant McGuinty the prorogation.

The Lieutenant Governor. I'm assuming they would given federal and provincial precedent.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Frown

janfromthebruce

BB, love your pic you posted. And I find both the Liberals and Conservatives deliciously funny - the irony of it all - proroguing is not lost on the NDP and by extension the people - where is the "fake" outrage for McGuinty prorogue from Libs? And those Conservatives, beating and thumping their chests with their Harper binders on. Nay, both political players are just doing political comedy.

adma

janfromthebruce wrote:

BB, love your pic you posted.

 

And don't forget this one

janfromthebruce

yeah, that one was priceless too!

Brachina

adma wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

BB, love your pic you posted.

 

And don't forget this one

I think even Dalton would see the humour in,this pick.

I really don't get Dalton, he was never a good,Premier, but his achievements were peace with unions and to give the provincial Liberals a green sheen,,yet once he gets into,a minority he decides to set fire to what little legacy he had and then quiting as Premier in a minority, I mean who does that?

janfromthebruce

The green sheen, if one drills down, isn't really green at all. Backing corporate gigantic industrial wind turbines, where the majority of benefits goes to said corporations (such as oil companies (enbridge), so not green at all. They are put on prime agi land and pitting neighbour against neighbour. Local municipalities can't control the setbacks. And they are backed up by natural gas, which requires "fracking".

Who made out like bandits is not the people but the Lib's corporate buddies.

Junkyard Dog

So the general consensus seems to be that McGuinty pulled a Sarah Palin because something big is coming down the pike that would have forced him out anyway. Either that, or McQuitty (as his admirers at the Sun dubbed him) voluntarily leaving Queen's Park is nothing more complicated than him planning a grab at the federal Liberal leadership. Or possibly a little from Column A. and a little from Column B.? Who can say? If this is just the latter point, I think he must be seriously deluded. The man is hardly what you'd call popular or well liked, and dumping Ontario like so much garbage the nanosecond something shinier came into view won't exactly endear him to the country at large. Will it?

Brachina

I hope he does run and bring his scandal stink to the federal level of the Liberal party.

Aristotleded24

Junkyard Dog wrote:
So the general consensus seems to be that McGuinty pulled a Sarah Palin because something big is coming down the pike that would have forced him out anyway. Either that, or McQuitty (as his admirers at the Sun dubbed him) voluntarily leaving Queen's Park is nothing more complicated than him planning a grab at the federal Liberal leadership. Or possibly a little from Column A. and a little from Column B.? Who can say? If this is just the latter point, I think he must be seriously deluded. The man is hardly what you'd call popular or well liked, and dumping Ontario like so much garbage the nanosecond something shinier came into view won't exactly endear him to the country at large. Will it?

Any time I've seen his picture on TV, I've always thought, "wipe that smirk off your face you arrogant fool."

janfromthebruce

I really think he decided to quit, and prorogue to try to get some labour deals, and prevent the gas plant scandals blowing up on the liberals. He's buying time and hoping that he takes the "bad blood" with him and preventing a blood bath of the libs. A new lib premier who doesn't wear it and gets labour back in the fold.

Dalton McGuinty planned to suspend legislature before deciding to quit

One argument the Liberals are using is to remind labour leaders that Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak, who leads in public opinion polls, has vowed to strip unions of some powers and slash public service jobs while unilaterally freezing wages.

But some unionists appear willing to gamble that NDP Leader Andrea Horwath, who opposes any legislated freeze, will win an election expected next spring.

“I’m not interested in saving the Liberals,” said one labour official close to the talks.

Another union insider conceded that if the Liberals call back the legislature and water down Bill 115, they will be more willing to make a deal on framework toward a broader freeze.

So keeping the Liberals in power is what this is all about. Election in the spring and preventing Ontario from going Orange - this would not bode well for the federal party, with both BC and Ont going Orange.

Brachina

The idea that just because provincial wing in Ontario does well that federal wing will do poorly there is pure superstition, people assume because it often played out that way in the past it will now, ignoring the context and the players invovled. As long as Andrea Horwath doesn't piss off voters, which I don't think she will, Mulcair will be fine. In fact breaking the Liberal mentality in Ontario will do wonders for Mulcair, so Dalton government crashing and burning is a good thing, especially if it does mean a spring election and JT embarrasses himself again as he did in KW. Another golden nugget http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/cracks-show-in-ontario-libera... http://warrenkinsella.com/2012/10/strategy-questions/ I love the smell of liberals fighting each other in the morning :D

janfromthebruce

Brachina, your first link doesn't work!

janfromthebruce

It's interesting to read the lib spin on the lib spin meister's page. It appears that in their universe McGuinty prorogued bacause the libs "couldn't get anything done". Oh and nothing to do with that contempt of parliament charge going through the legislature for Chris Bentley and the gas plant "sellout" for lib seats has absolutely nothing to do with it. These liberals are so far up the butt they are clueless.

And what about that Liberal Fontana, big hands in the "cookie jar" federally. Yes, Liberals love to feast at the govt trough.

 

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Thursday night on The National - which has quite a large viewership - basically eviscerated McGuinty. Andrew Coyne really mocked him, and Rex Murphy said he heard from unions that McGuinty in their opinion was worse than Mike Harris (!!!).

No one on the At Issue panel really believes McGuinty will run federally - Coyne said he will do the impossible - bring the federal Liberals down even further if he runs. Laughing

Coyne also said the idea of McGuinty running federal is nothing but a distraction - a shiny object if you will - meant to distract us from the horrible messes he has made.

onlinediscountanvils

Boom Boom wrote:
Rex Murphy said he heard from unions that McGuinty in their opinion was worse than Mike Harris (!!!).

 

Anti-poverty activists have been saying this for years... just not on The National.

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I haven't lived in Ontario since 1995, and I remember how truly evil the regime of Mike Harris was. I'm out of the loop, obviously - I can't imagine how any other government could possibly eclipse Mike Harris on the evil scale. Harper has John Baird, Jim Flaherty, and Tony Clement from the Mike Harris years, and, yes, they are turning the Cons into the Evil Empire.

Michelle

What McGuinty has done by passing that legislation about collective bargaining goes further than Harris and even Harper's anti-labour legislation.  It has threatened collective bargaining itself.

Basically, that law says that unions and employers can negotiate contracts.  But then they have to submit that contract to the government, and they can change it in any way they like and give it back, gutted.

That is not collective bargaining.  That is the absolute opposite of collective bargaining, especially in cases where the government is an interested party in the negotiations (as they are in any public sector negotiating).  And that's what this supposedly "liberal" government has done.

Also, my understanding is that in real dollars (taking inflation into account), social assistance rates are now lower than they were in 1995 AFTER Harris cut social assistance by 21%.  And this is when McGuinty has had 9 years to fix that travesty.

Instead of fixing the rates, he brought in a crappy little Ontario child tax credit (which is fine, but doesn't go nearly far enough to fix the damage) and then lied about this tax credit "ending" the clawback of the Canadian Child Tax Benefit from the cheques of social assistance recipients, when in fact, they still had their cheques reduced by the amount of the original CCTB.  (Parents on social assistance were supposed to be grateful, I guess, that McGuilty didn't claw back the marginal increase in the CCTB over the original amount, when he should have made it so none of it was clawed back.)

Lies, corruption, and attacks on workers.  That's the legacy of the McGuilty Liberals.

Fidel

I dunno. I've softened a bit on Pinocchio and the Liberals. |For some reason I think they were operating within a fiscal and political straightjacket of what non-jaded voters in Ontario believe to be true about deficit spending and recessions in general. I think that like the first and only NDP government from 1990-1995, McGuinty was damned whichever path he and his government chose. Let's face it, Ontario was a mess before the Liberals were elected in 2003. Mulroney began short-changing Ontario back in 1993 or so, and screwed the country with FTA-NAFTA and again when ramming changes to the Banking Act through parliament without any debate or consultations with the public in 1991. Lots of people think Mulroney was the rat under the floorboards, and by 1991 he surely did not have phony majority level of support from voters. It didn't matter because they threw a wrench into the skunkworks anyway. Mulroney was hired to do a job for big banking and marauding international capital, and lyin' Brian came through for his real constituents with flying colours. His federal government marked the beginning of real neoliberal ideology in Canada, although some would argue it was hatched in Ottawa and Bay Street by 1975.

I just hope we aren't saddled with Hudak's Tories. The right tends not to lie about what they will do if handed a phony majority. Is Ontario's love affair with the big blue machine really over? There is only one opinion poll that counts for anything.

onlinediscountanvils

Boom Boom wrote:
I can't imagine how any other government could possibly eclipse Mike Harris on the evil scale.

 

The Liberals simply had a different job to do in the service of the ruling class. By the end of the Harris/Eves era a good chunk of the public was sick of the social unrest, making it difficult for the Tories to get away with further cuts. The Liberals were brought in, not to reverse the Common Sense Revolution, but to consolidate it. The liberal class was able to let down its guard, satisfied merely by the literal fact that Dalton McGuinty was not Mike Harris.

When the Liberals finally got around to raising social assistance rates, the first increase was barely above inflation - nowhere close to what would have been needed to make up for Harris' 22% cut. All subsequent increases were at or below inflation. Add in the decimation of the Special Diet Allowance and the cut to the Community Start-Up and Maintenance Benefit (I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting), and you have a province where poor people are worse off today than we were under Harris.

And what makes McGuinty worse is that he makes it possible for such an increase in poverty to go largely unopposed. Early into his first term, I helped organize a community forum to try and kickstart a campaign around social assistance rates. There was a huge turn-out. People were pissed-off and fired-up about the campaign. Then a prominent and influential disability activist took to the floor and announced that our local MPP had given him assurances that a substantial social assistance increase would be in the next budget, and that the Liberals were committed to a yearly increase that would - at he very least - keep pace with inflation. If he had said the Harris government had made those promises, people would have called bullshit and not let their guard down until the money was in their pockets. But since we were now dealing with the "more moderate" Liberals, many in of those in attendance were placated by his certitude that the poor of Ontario had reached our nadir, and that things would never get any worse under McGuinty. Well... the "substantial" increase was not all that substantial, and subsequent increases have not kept pace with inflation, but McGuinty managed to oversee this attack on poor while avoiding the public unrest of the Harris years.

That's why anti-poverty activists will tell you that McGuinty has been worse than Harris.

[cross-posted with Michelle]

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