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Premier McGuinty resigns

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Policywonk
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Boom Boom wrote:

Someone asked on FB if the Speaker (or someone...) would actually grant McGuinty the prorogation.

The Lieutenant Governor. I'm assuming they would given federal and provincial precedent.


Boom Boom
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Frown


janfromthebruce
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BB, love your pic you posted. And I find both the Liberals and Conservatives deliciously funny - the irony of it all - proroguing is not lost on the NDP and by extension the people - where is the "fake" outrage for McGuinty prorogue from Libs? And those Conservatives, beating and thumping their chests with their Harper binders on. Nay, both political players are just doing political comedy.


adma
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janfromthebruce wrote:

BB, love your pic you posted.

 

And don't forget this one


janfromthebruce
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yeah, that one was priceless too!


Brachina
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adma wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

BB, love your pic you posted.

 

And don't forget this one

I think even Dalton would see the humour in,this pick. I really don't get Dalton, he was never a good,Premier, but his achievements were peace with unions and to give the provincial Liberals a green sheen,,yet once he gets into,a minority he decides to set fire to what little legacy he had and then quiting as Premier in a minority, I mean who does that?

janfromthebruce
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The green sheen, if one drills down, isn't really green at all. Backing corporate gigantic industrial wind turbines, where the majority of benefits goes to said corporations (such as oil companies (enbridge), so not green at all. They are put on prime agi land and pitting neighbour against neighbour. Local municipalities can't control the setbacks. And they are backed up by natural gas, which requires "fracking".

Who made out like bandits is not the people but the Lib's corporate buddies.


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So the general consensus seems to be that McGuinty pulled a Sarah Palin because something big is coming down the pike that would have forced him out anyway. Either that, or McQuitty (as his admirers at the Sun dubbed him) voluntarily leaving Queen's Park is nothing more complicated than him planning a grab at the federal Liberal leadership. Or possibly a little from Column A. and a little from Column B.? Who can say? If this is just the latter point, I think he must be seriously deluded. The man is hardly what you'd call popular or well liked, and dumping Ontario like so much garbage the nanosecond something shinier came into view won't exactly endear him to the country at large. Will it?


Brachina
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I hope he does run and bring his scandal stink to the federal level of the Liberal party.

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Junkyard Dog wrote:
So the general consensus seems to be that McGuinty pulled a Sarah Palin because something big is coming down the pike that would have forced him out anyway. Either that, or McQuitty (as his admirers at the Sun dubbed him) voluntarily leaving Queen's Park is nothing more complicated than him planning a grab at the federal Liberal leadership. Or possibly a little from Column A. and a little from Column B.? Who can say? If this is just the latter point, I think he must be seriously deluded. The man is hardly what you'd call popular or well liked, and dumping Ontario like so much garbage the nanosecond something shinier came into view won't exactly endear him to the country at large. Will it?

Any time I've seen his picture on TV, I've always thought, "wipe that smirk off your face you arrogant fool."


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I really think he decided to quit, and prorogue to try to get some labour deals, and prevent the gas plant scandals blowing up on the liberals. He's buying time and hoping that he takes the "bad blood" with him and preventing a blood bath of the libs. A new lib premier who doesn't wear it and gets labour back in the fold.

Dalton McGuinty planned to suspend legislature before deciding to quit

One argument the Liberals are using is to remind labour leaders that Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak, who leads in public opinion polls, has vowed to strip unions of some powers and slash public service jobs while unilaterally freezing wages.

But some unionists appear willing to gamble that NDP Leader Andrea Horwath, who opposes any legislated freeze, will win an election expected next spring.

“I’m not interested in saving the Liberals,” said one labour official close to the talks.

Another union insider conceded that if the Liberals call back the legislature and water down Bill 115, they will be more willing to make a deal on framework toward a broader freeze.

So keeping the Liberals in power is what this is all about. Election in the spring and preventing Ontario from going Orange - this would not bode well for the federal party, with both BC and Ont going Orange.


Brachina
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The idea that just because provincial wing in Ontario does well that federal wing will do poorly there is pure superstition, people assume because it often played out that way in the past it will now, ignoring the context and the players invovled. As long as Andrea Horwath doesn't piss off voters, which I don't think she will, Mulcair will be fine. In fact breaking the Liberal mentality in Ontario will do wonders for Mulcair, so Dalton government crashing and burning is a good thing, especially if it does mean a spring election and JT embarrasses himself again as he did in KW. Another golden nugget http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/cracks-show-in-ontario-libera... http://warrenkinsella.com/2012/10/strategy-questions/ I love the smell of liberals fighting each other in the morning :D


janfromthebruce
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Brachina, your first link doesn't work!


janfromthebruce
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It's interesting to read the lib spin on the lib spin meister's page. It appears that in their universe McGuinty prorogued bacause the libs "couldn't get anything done". Oh and nothing to do with that contempt of parliament charge going through the legislature for Chris Bentley and the gas plant "sellout" for lib seats has absolutely nothing to do with it. These liberals are so far up the butt they are clueless.

And what about that Liberal Fontana, big hands in the "cookie jar" federally. Yes, Liberals love to feast at the govt trough.

 


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Thursday night on The National - which has quite a large viewership - basically eviscerated McGuinty. Andrew Coyne really mocked him, and Rex Murphy said he heard from unions that McGuinty in their opinion was worse than Mike Harris (!!!).

No one on the At Issue panel really believes McGuinty will run federally - Coyne said he will do the impossible - bring the federal Liberals down even further if he runs. Laughing

Coyne also said the idea of McGuinty running federal is nothing but a distraction - a shiny object if you will - meant to distract us from the horrible messes he has made.


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Boom Boom wrote:
Rex Murphy said he heard from unions that McGuinty in their opinion was worse than Mike Harris (!!!).

 

Anti-poverty activists have been saying this for years... just not on The National.


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I haven't lived in Ontario since 1995, and I remember how truly evil the regime of Mike Harris was. I'm out of the loop, obviously - I can't imagine how any other government could possibly eclipse Mike Harris on the evil scale. Harper has John Baird, Jim Flaherty, and Tony Clement from the Mike Harris years, and, yes, they are turning the Cons into the Evil Empire.


Michelle
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What McGuinty has done by passing that legislation about collective bargaining goes further than Harris and even Harper's anti-labour legislation.  It has threatened collective bargaining itself.

Basically, that law says that unions and employers can negotiate contracts.  But then they have to submit that contract to the government, and they can change it in any way they like and give it back, gutted.

That is not collective bargaining.  That is the absolute opposite of collective bargaining, especially in cases where the government is an interested party in the negotiations (as they are in any public sector negotiating).  And that's what this supposedly "liberal" government has done.

Also, my understanding is that in real dollars (taking inflation into account), social assistance rates are now lower than they were in 1995 AFTER Harris cut social assistance by 21%.  And this is when McGuinty has had 9 years to fix that travesty.

Instead of fixing the rates, he brought in a crappy little Ontario child tax credit (which is fine, but doesn't go nearly far enough to fix the damage) and then lied about this tax credit "ending" the clawback of the Canadian Child Tax Benefit from the cheques of social assistance recipients, when in fact, they still had their cheques reduced by the amount of the original CCTB.  (Parents on social assistance were supposed to be grateful, I guess, that McGuilty didn't claw back the marginal increase in the CCTB over the original amount, when he should have made it so none of it was clawed back.)

Lies, corruption, and attacks on workers.  That's the legacy of the McGuilty Liberals.


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I dunno. I've softened a bit on Pinocchio and the Liberals. |For some reason I think they were operating within a fiscal and political straightjacket of what non-jaded voters in Ontario believe to be true about deficit spending and recessions in general. I think that like the first and only NDP government from 1990-1995, McGuinty was damned whichever path he and his government chose. Let's face it, Ontario was a mess before the Liberals were elected in 2003. Mulroney began short-changing Ontario back in 1993 or so, and screwed the country with FTA-NAFTA and again when ramming changes to the Banking Act through parliament without any debate or consultations with the public in 1991. Lots of people think Mulroney was the rat under the floorboards, and by 1991 he surely did not have phony majority level of support from voters. It didn't matter because they threw a wrench into the skunkworks anyway. Mulroney was hired to do a job for big banking and marauding international capital, and lyin' Brian came through for his real constituents with flying colours. His federal government marked the beginning of real neoliberal ideology in Canada, although some would argue it was hatched in Ottawa and Bay Street by 1975.

I just hope we aren't saddled with Hudak's Tories. The right tends not to lie about what they will do if handed a phony majority. Is Ontario's love affair with the big blue machine really over? There is only one opinion poll that counts for anything.


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Boom Boom wrote:
I can't imagine how any other government could possibly eclipse Mike Harris on the evil scale.

 

The Liberals simply had a different job to do in the service of the ruling class. By the end of the Harris/Eves era a good chunk of the public was sick of the social unrest, making it difficult for the Tories to get away with further cuts. The Liberals were brought in, not to reverse the Common Sense Revolution, but to consolidate it. The liberal class was able to let down its guard, satisfied merely by the literal fact that Dalton McGuinty was not Mike Harris.

When the Liberals finally got around to raising social assistance rates, the first increase was barely above inflation - nowhere close to what would have been needed to make up for Harris' 22% cut. All subsequent increases were at or below inflation. Add in the decimation of the Special Diet Allowance and the cut to the Community Start-Up and Maintenance Benefit (I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting), and you have a province where poor people are worse off today than we were under Harris.

And what makes McGuinty worse is that he makes it possible for such an increase in poverty to go largely unopposed. Early into his first term, I helped organize a community forum to try and kickstart a campaign around social assistance rates. There was a huge turn-out. People were pissed-off and fired-up about the campaign. Then a prominent and influential disability activist took to the floor and announced that our local MPP had given him assurances that a substantial social assistance increase would be in the next budget, and that the Liberals were committed to a yearly increase that would - at he very least - keep pace with inflation. If he had said the Harris government had made those promises, people would have called bullshit and not let their guard down until the money was in their pockets. But since we were now dealing with the "more moderate" Liberals, many in of those in attendance were placated by his certitude that the poor of Ontario had reached our nadir, and that things would never get any worse under McGuinty. Well... the "substantial" increase was not all that substantial, and subsequent increases have not kept pace with inflation, but McGuinty managed to oversee this attack on poor while avoiding the public unrest of the Harris years.

That's why anti-poverty activists will tell you that McGuinty has been worse than Harris.

[cross-posted with Michelle]


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I think it is extremely unlikely McGuinty would run for the federal leadership but he realized that not categorically denying it would lead the media to focus on this rather than on his resignation being the result of the steadily building scandal. Furthermore, I doubt that Canadians would ever elect an Ontario premier as PM. During the height of Premier Bill Davis's popularity in Ontario there was speculation that he would run for the federal Progressive Conservative leadership. However, he soon found out that the last thing people in other provinces wanted was a former premier of the province with 38% of the population and over 40% of the economy running the country - rightly or wrongly, they already saw Ontario as having too much power. Of course McGuinty could run on a platform of "Relax. There is nothing to worry about from Ontario. I've put it on the road to bankruptcy.", but somehow I don't think that would go over too well either. 


Brachina
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jerrym wrote:

I think it is extremely unlikely McGuinty would run for the federal leadership but he realized that not categorically denying it would lead the media to focus on this rather than on his resignation being the result of the steadily building scandal. Furthermore, I doubt that Canadians would ever elect an Ontario premier as PM. During the height of Premier Bill Davis's popularity in Ontario there was speculation that he would run for the federal Progressive Conservative leadership. However, he soon found out that the last thing people in other provinces wanted was a former premier of the province with 38% of the population and over 40% of the economy running the country - rightly or wrongly, they already saw Ontario as having too much power. Of course McGuinty could run on a platform of "Relax. There is nothing to worry about from Ontario. I've put it on the road to bankruptcy.", but somehow I don't think that would go over too well either. 

Hahaha, I love that. He's already said he won't be running, which means Justin's cornation continues unabated and his first real taste of the real world is delayed. Most people believe a spring election is a given, I do not, but there is a good chance of one and I hope Justin gets sucked into the Ontario Liberal's defeat, I want the retched stink of defeat to stick to Justin like a second skin.

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All signs are pointing to Pupatello throwing her hat in the ring. The big question is whether or not she could win her Windsor seat considering the Liberal collapse in the polls. The Windsor region should be ripe picking for the NDP, despite disappointing last time around.


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ctrl190 wrote:

All signs are pointing to Pupatello throwing her hat in the ring. The big question is whether or not she could win her Windsor seat considering the Liberal collapse in the polls. The Windsor region should be ripe picking for the NDP, despite disappointing last time around.

The Warrior Princess remains quite popular, in this neck of the woods. I don't think she'd have much trouble regaining a seat here.

ctrl190
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Chris Bentley's out. And leaving politics all together. His London seat is a potential NDP pick up.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/energy-minister-chris-bentley-won-t-seek-re-el...


janfromthebruce
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I find it very interesting that many of the big players within the liberal ranks are "leaving". They know the writing is on the wall, and also that the back bench is calling them.


David Young
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janfromthebruce wrote:

I find it very interesting that many of the big players within the liberal ranks are "leaving". They know the writing is on the wall, and also that the back bench is calling them.

Don't you mean, the 'opposition' benches?

 


janfromthebruce
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ha ha ha - yes that is what I meant David - reading my mind.


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Looks like Ontario taxpayers will also be paying for gold platted severance packages also.  

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2012/10/20121031-183233.html

We can be thankful that all major political parties agree to the hefty severance packages.

 


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