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Premier McGuinty resigns

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Policywonk
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janfromthebruce wrote:

P.E.I. has a population of 145,855. In comparison, Barrie in Ontario has a population of 166,634 and is rated 19th on the list of 100 largest cities in Canada. PEI didn't have one city listed here.

So yeah, Greater Toronto has become the Liberals last stand.

Charlottetown is at #65. Which takes nothing away from your point about the Liberals and greater Toronto.


janfromthebruce
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thanks, I missed that city and I did look. My point is that Ontario is the libs last stand.


ctrl190
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There are a few head scratchers in the race. I am really surprised to see Kennedy throw his hat in. He is known for being very, very divisive amongst the party ranks. And not just for the crowning of Dion in 2007. He had a very poor relationship with McGuinty's inner circle, burned a lot of bridges, and was a notorious hothead with staff and colleagues.

With Hoskins, Murray and Wynne in the race the liberal lefty Toronto establishment bloc is awfully crowded. And Pupatello was crowned the ideal "outsider" candidate before Kennedy. Where does Kennedy find his niche?

All the stars and signs point to Pupatello as heiress. Mind you, people thought the same about Gerard Kennedy in 95 and Tabuns in 09.


mark_alfred
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I think GK has more name recognition with the public at large than do the other candidates.  So, for Liberals concerned about winning the next election, he may become their choice.


Brachina
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Warren Kinsella is accusing the Wynn campaign of homophobia over something her campaign manager posted on facebook. I love Liberal infighting.

Mr.Tea
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Brachina wrote:
Warren Kinsella is accusing the Wynn campaign of homophobia over something her campaign manager posted on facebook. I love Liberal infighting.

That makes no sense. Wynne is gay.


Unionist
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Brachina wrote:
Warren Kinsella is accusing the Wynn campaign of homophobia over something her campaign manager posted on facebook.

No he didn't.

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I love Liberal infighting.

Great. But please don't post falsehoods in your enthusiasm to watch the infighting.

 

 


mark_alfred
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Unionist wrote:

Brachina wrote:
Warren Kinsella is accusing the Wynn campaign of homophobia over something her campaign manager posted on facebook.

No he didn't.

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I love Liberal infighting.

Great. But please don't post falsehoods in your enthusiasm to watch the infighting.

I think Brachina is referring to this comment on Kinsella's site, regarding some statement that a Wynne campaign aid made on his facebook page, presumably accusing others of homophobia toward Wynne.  The facebook statement is gone, so we'll never actually know what it was about.


Unionist
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mark_alfred wrote:

 

I think Brachina is referring to this comment on Kinsella's site, regarding some statement that a Wynne campaign aid made on his facebook page, presumably accusing others of homophobia toward Wynne.  The facebook statement is gone, so we'll never actually know what it was about.

Thanks, I knew exactly what Brachina was referring to, and that he got it totally wrong. I think some people here are too eager to start jumping up and down when they think the other team has done something wrong. Just as they hunker down and go into defence mode when someone points out some crime committed by their own team.

Politics as spectator sports is really a bad way for progressives to work together for a better world.

 


janfromthebruce
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Kinsella is progressive - who'd thought that! just sayin is all Kiss


Unionist
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I never said or thought anything of the sort, jan. What I said is that it's a shame when ultra-partisanship makes you read things that aren't even there. Oh and guess what? That makes two.

mark_alfred
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I think progressives spend too much time policing each other, actually, rather than spending too much time "jumping up and down when they think the other team has done something wrong".


jerrym
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mark_alfred wrote:

I think progressives spend too much time policing each other, actually, rather than spending too much time "jumping up and down when they think the other team has done something wrong".

Amen.


Brachina
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Unionist wrote:

Brachina wrote:
Warren Kinsella is accusing the Wynn campaign of homophobia over something her campaign manager posted on facebook.

No he didn't.

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I love Liberal infighting.

Great. But please don't post falsehoods in your enthusiasm to watch the infighting.

 

 

Shit, misread that Kinesella post, it wasn't intentional. I'll go wear the dunance cap on this one. I take full responsiblity for this boondoogle. Still not a lie, just a screw up. Unionist was right (enjoy that statement Unionist, you'll never hear those words from me again :p) Never the less as a pinciple I support Liberal infighting :p even if this wasn't an example of that.

Unionist
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Thanks for that, Brachina. I just wanted to correct the error. As usual, some other people interpreted that as a crime. I appreciate your correction.

 


Brachina
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Your welcome, although I apprecate the soladarity from those who defended me :D.

toaster
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Do people agree with this alignment? 

 

 


ctrl190
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Very interesting, Toaster. I would place the Grit candidates < Wynne - Hoskins - Kennedy - Murray - McGuinty - Takhar - Sousa - Pupatello> .  I put Murray in the middle because of his ministerial record and his role as head of the very moderate, don't-rock-the-boat Canadian Urban Institute. And for the Cons I think Hillier should be off the grid Tongue out

 

What is everyone's perception of the race so far? In the 416 bubble it seems to have been drowned out by Fordgate. The Star had a poll suggesting name recognition gave Kennedy an advantage among the general electorate. Is there any indication that Kennedy is eating into Wynne's base?

 

 

 


mark_alfred
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NDP put out a video ridiculing McGuinty for proroguing parliament.  It's good, but only partially successful.  While watching it, instead of thinking, "yes, jobs should not be left half-done", I instead thought, "yeah, I like how that guy can be relaxed and happy and not worry about whether his lawn is fully cut or his car is fully washed."


infracaninophile
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Toaster, can you do that graphic with all 3 parties in the same box? I'm sure some of the Libs are to the right of some of the PC's -- and yes, Hillier should be suspended in limbo somewhere. I would have put Klees to the right of Hudak but, now I think it over, I'm not sure why I have that impression.

So far none of the Lib. candidates seem willing to challenge the wrongheaded direction in which the party is going. Why am I not surprised.


Stockholm
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I would never have identified Tabuns as being on the righjt of the ONDP


toaster
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I don't think there really is a "Right" side to the NDP.  But I do think Bisson is much more fiscally to the left than Tabuns (or he's just more vocal about certain things).  Of the 4 I listed, I think Tabuns was the closest to being to the centre of the NDP party.  I don't think there is any overlap between parties.  The closest may be Pupatello being further "right" than Tory, although I don't even think that is the case.


Kermit
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It seems Gerard Kennedy and Kathleen Wynne are the frontrunners.

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/01/03/pupatello-feeling-good-as-rivals-rise-in-olp-leadership-race/

 


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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1311972--kathleen-wy...

 • Wynne has 1,533 backers running to be delegates.

 • Former Windsor West MPP Sandra Pupatello has 1,281 in 106 ridings.

 • Gerard Kennedy, the former Parkdale—High Park MP and MPP who finished second to McGuinty in the Liberals’ 1996 leadership contest, has 846 in 97 ridings.

 • Mississauga South MPP Charles Sousa has 778 in 92 ridings.

 • St. Paul’s MPP Eric Hoskins has 714 in 97 ridings.

 • Toronto Centre MPP Glen Murray has 461 in 82 ridings.

 • Mississauga Erindale MPP Harinder Takhar is in last place with 456 delegate candidates in 54 ridings.

The tallies are provisional and all seven camps are contesting their respective numbers with party officials — several candidates insist they are off by as much as 20 per cent and final data may not come till later this week.

Interesting numbers. You'd need a coalition of about 3000 to elect someone as leader, not counting the fact that some delegates will simply walk and drop their ballots if their prefererd candidate is dropped.

In general what it takes to bump someone up from their place on the first ballot is a concerted effort to unite behind one candidate. 1996 saw McGuinty start at fourth place, but all the eliminated votes moved towards McGuinty or Kennedy. A key thing to note is that Cordiano started in 2nd place but had *very* little momentum, gaining a mere 139 votes from 1st to 4th ballot versus 198 for Kennedy and 310 for McGuinty. 

From everything I've heard, Pupatello is the main right-leaning candidate and has some clear dividing lines against candidates such as Wynne, Kennedy and Murray. The latter's votes together add up to 2840, which is pretty close. We could see yet another situation where the second-place candidate has poor momentum.


Mr.Tea
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Reports say that Murray will drop out today and endorse Wynne. It's definitely a boost to her perceived frontrunner status but Murray was running very far behind and probably won't bring that much support.


theleftyinvestor
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Gerard Kennedy does have a history of being the kingmaker but never the king (see McGuinty, Dion). Is a Kennedy-Wynne alliance an eventuality too?


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David Young
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Does anyone else find it interesting that at the threehundredeight site, there are national support figures that put the Liberals at just 22.4%, even though the media has been absolutely fawning over Trudeau since he announced his intention to seek the federal Liberal leadership?

 


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David Young wrote:

Does anyone else find it interesting that at the threehundredeight site, there are national support figures that put the Liberals at just 22.4%, even though the media has been absolutely fawning over Trudeau since he announced his intention to seek the federal Liberal leadership?

 

That's because the national media, in English Canada, is focused on Ontario, where that national average translates into higher percentage of seats.

theleftyinvestor
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David Young wrote:

Does anyone else find it interesting that at the threehundredeight site, there are national support figures that put the Liberals at just 22.4%, even though the media has been absolutely fawning over Trudeau since he announced his intention to seek the federal Liberal leadership?

 

Nonetheless there are other threads where we can talk LPC. This thread is OLP.

Interesting quote from Pupatello:

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1314876--ontario...

They’ve got us in the crosshairs. We don’t know how long this government is going to last before they want to toss us out. The public doesn’t want an election, I don’t want an election, but if we get thrown there we had better be prepared. I will get the NDP to vote for me because they want a fighter and they know that’s what I do and they voted for me in my home town. I will get the red Tories voting for me because they’re not comfortable with Hudak. He is far too right, inexperienced, doesn’t understand the economy. And I believe I can get that vote.

Good luck?


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