Premier McGuinty resigns

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David Young

Will there be any new pressure on any of the NDP members (or Conservative?) to take a cabinet post for defecting to the Liberals, now that Wynne has become the new Liberal Premier?

 

Aristotleded24

janfromthebruce wrote:
I think that Sandra's speech is what actually killed her chances after the 1st ballot - the line, to bring the opposition to their knees was just so out of line with this govts minority situation.

Wasn't it that kind of arrogance on McGuinty's part that was responsible for the Liberals falling to minority status in the first place?

Brachina

http://warrenkinsella.com/2013/01/its-going-to-be-tight/

Read the comments, they're funny.

Sandra's supporters seem convinced that this mean Hudak will be premier, ignoring Andrea's current lead and much greater personal popularity.

And the hate for Kennedy is funny, as if the other choice wasn't going to lead to the Liberal's defeat as well. The irony being Kennedy himself was the mostly likely to have kept the Liberals from a brutal defeat.

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Kudos to Wynne for being the first woman premier of Ontario, and the first openly gay premier in Canada. Boos to Wynne for happily serving in McGuinty's rotten to the core government.

David Young

Looks like 68 elected/ex-officio delegates didn't like the last two choices and didn't vote in the final round.

 

felixr

Boom Boom wrote:

Kudos to Wynne for being the first woman premier of Ontario, and the first openly gay premier in Canada.

It's exciting to have an openly gay premier! History! Let's hope she's better than McSquinty.

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The only person I can see being worse than McGuilty is Tim Hudak.

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Hopefully Hudak fades the f*ck away, and the next contest is between Kathleen Wynne and Andrea Horwath.  I think Horwath will have no problem whatsoever in being more progressive than Wynne.

ETA: In her acceptance comments tonight, she heaped praise on McQuinty and pledged to build on his "successes". Question: did he have any?

Brachina

The Province has too many wingnuts for Hudak fade away completely and unlike Sandra, Wynne will have no appeal to Tories.

Andrea may be able to peal off some Tory Populist voters, but still a stand off between Andrea and Hudak is more likely at the end of the election, a stand off where Andrea will likely take a nice chunk out of the Liberals because nobody likes Tim Hudak, not even Tories.

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This is what Wynne inherits (hell, she was a part of it):

Brachina

Some Liberals think she'll just make nice with the teachers and all will be forgiven, and that will be enough to sweep aside the NDP. It will not, there is too much built up rage and Wynne had a part in it and that fact will not be swept under the rug.

Tomorrow should be interesting once she has to deal with the Steel Town Scraper.

Debater

Boom Boom wrote:

ETA: In her acceptance comments tonight, she heaped praise on McQuinty and pledged to build on his "successes". Question: did he have any?

Other than being the most successful Liberal Premier of Ontario in modern history?  He brought the Liberals back to power and won 3 elections in a row.  No one had done that in over half a century.

Aristotleded24
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There is no good reason not to recall the Legislature by the end of next week. We'll see if Wynne shares McGuinty's contempt for Ontario.

theleftyinvestor

autoworker wrote:
There is no good reason not to recall the Legislature by the end of next week. We'll see if Wynne shares McGuinty's contempt for Ontario.

Wynne set the date Feb 19 to recall the legislature. That's just over 3 weeks. Trade offices, draft a Throne Speech, select a cabinet, have a nice chat with Horwath and perhaps a not-so-nice chat with Hudak...

At least she hasn't come anywhere near Christy Clark's contempt for BC. Our legislature last sat at the end of May 2012. She cancelled the fall sitting, and isn't going to show up again until February, when an election is 3 months away. Compared to her, Ontario looks positively dutiful :P

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Debater wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

ETA: In her acceptance comments tonight, she heaped praise on McQuinty and pledged to build on his "successes". Question: did he have any?

Other than being the most successful Liberal Premier of Ontario in modern history?  He brought the Liberals back to power and won 3 elections in a row.  No one had done that in over half a century.

OK, he won three elections.  As premier, he was just barely different than Mike Harris in terms of actual policy on the vast majority of the issues(especially the economic and social justice issues that really matter).   So, beyond getting people to vote for his party, what, exactly, was he successful AT? 

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theleftyinvestor wrote:

autoworker wrote:
There is no good reason not to recall the Legislature by the end of next week. We'll see if Wynne shares McGuinty's contempt for Ontario.

Wynne set the date Feb 19 to recall the legislature. That's just over 3 weeks. Trade offices, draft a Throne Speech, select a cabinet, have a nice chat with Horwath and perhaps a not-so-nice chat with Hudak...

At least she hasn't come anywhere near Christy Clark's contempt for BC. Our legislature last sat at the end of May 2012. She cancelled the fall sitting, and isn't going to show up again until February, when an election is 3 months away. Compared to her, Ontario looks positively dutiful :P

The LPO smells like fish.

nicky

I think history will assess McGuinty as a premier with very meagre accomplishments. He won 3 elections by not beeing Mike Harris, yet did very little to repair the damage Harris did to this province. 

When McGuinty won the leadership it was because the "Blue Liberals" rallied aroung him to prevent what they saw as a quasi New Democrat winning. McGuinty remained true to that faction in the party. His "accomplishments" were largely cosmetic things like renaming part of the 401 the "Highway of Heroes." It is hard to think of much else he did.

He also had such an ignominious end, proroguing the legislature to escape the gas planrt scandal and the chaos in the schools.

It's good to be rid of this cautious mediocrity.

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Debater wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

ETA: In her acceptance comments tonight, she heaped praise on McQuinty and pledged to build on his "successes". Question: did he have any?

Other than being the most successful Liberal Premier of Ontario in modern history?  He brought the Liberals back to power and won 3 elections in a row.  No one had done that in over half a century.

So, he was Premier for three terms, and all he can brag about is being elected? What an asshole.

felixr

Boom Boom wrote:

Debater wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

ETA: In her acceptance comments tonight, she heaped praise on McQuinty and pledged to build on his "successes". Question: did he have any?

Other than being the most successful Liberal Premier of Ontario in modern history?  He brought the Liberals back to power and won 3 elections in a row.  No one had done that in over half a century.

So, he was Premier for three terms, and all he can brag about is being elected? What an asshole.

Laughing Yup. Every legacy program (except for winning elections) that he took on he bungled. We could call his style: "quiet incompetence" with a healthy dose of (sometimes arrogant) aloofness.

Brachina

The bungling of elections he left to his successor :p

I mean Dalton can't do it all himself after all, he's just one man :D

janfromthebruce

Bomb Bomb - perfect pic

jjuares

I see Wynne as a real threat to the NDP. In the public mind she may represent a real break from the Mcguinty legacy. The Liberals obviously need to do that to remain viable.

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On CTV's QP this morning, we were reminded that the Ontario Liberals are polling very low.

Brachina

Wynn polls poorly, it will take more then a pretense of,leftiness for Wynne to boost the,fortunes of the Liberal Party. She has to suffer the,consquences of the Dalton record to which,she was a party. Kennedy was out of provincial politics long enough that the stink didn't stick to him, while Wynne was an archtect of the anti teacher bill, voted for it and so on.

I'm so looking forward to next Ontario election. I hope Wynne makes a mistake and we have an election this spring. I want to see Premier Horwath asap.

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Brachina wrote:
I hope Wynne makes a mistake and we have an election this spring. I want to see Premier Horwath asap.

Horwath may be polling well right now, but Ontario remembers the NDP and Rae Days, and Ontario hates McGuinty - and presumably the Liberal party as a whole, opening an opportunity for Hudak to rise up between Wynne and Horwath. Some of the comments being tweeted last night during the convention suggest the reactionaries are gaining steam.

jjuares

Boom Boom wrote:

Brachina wrote:
I hope Wynne makes a mistake and we have an election this spring. I want to see Premier Horwath asap.

Horwath may be polling well right now, but Ontario remembers the NDP and Rae Days, and Ontario hates McGuinty - and presumably the Liberal party as a whole, opening an opportunity for Hudak to rise up between Wynne and Horwath. Some of the comments being tweeted last night during the convention suggest the reactionaries are gaining steam.

Their liability is Hudak. Horwath is an asset to her party and Wynne is an unknown. On Question Period tofay craig oliver was skeptical of Wynne being able to distant herself from McGuinty.

janfromthebruce

Ah the Rae Days - let's crawl back to 1990 - 1995 - only 22 to 17 years ago where many new voters have "no memory" of this, and besides Bob Rae is a big time liberal now. That said, Liberals have mismanaged finances so poorly that trying to bring out that "orange booegy" man will shine more of a negative light on them rather than the NDP.

Brachina

Wynne's already starting to blow it.

For all her talk of reconcillation she's already refused to tear up the contracts caused by that horrible bill, which means no peace with teachers and getting a deal with Andrea that much harder, and costilier, if its even possible now.

As for Hudak, he's a tool, Andrea's played him like a fiddle before and she'll do it again.

Maybe she already is. The Tories are already queing up attack ads attacking Wynne for her part in the Organ scandal, the teacher labour strife, Gas Plant Scandal, E-Health, and so on, much of which will help Andrea instead of Hudak. It will also reinforce Hudak's unlikablity so don't be surprised if Hudak's likablity numbers drop further.

Its like Hudak is Horwath's attack dog. If I didn't know better I'd say Hudak was an NDP plant whose job it was to sabotage the Tories :D

Victory is so close I can taste it!

Brachina

janfromthebruce wrote:

Ah the Rae Days - let's crawl back to 1990 - 1995 - only 22 to 17 years ago where many new voters have "no memory" of this, and besides Bob Rae is a big time liberal now. That said, Liberals have mismanaged finances so poorly that trying to bring out that "orange booegy" man will shine more of a negative light on them rather than the NDP.

Yeah playing the Bob Rae card at this point would be funny. It would create Federal/Provincial Divisions, would as you pointed out,highlight the Liberals current fiscal pickle, and and the NDP government is so far in the past as to be nothing, but echoes.

No the truth is the Liberal armoury for attacks,is pretty thin, empty really and there ripe for picking or manipulating depending on wheather Wynne folds.

Honestly I kind of wish the first woman and gay Premier in Ontario had been a New Democract instead of wasted on this undead Liberal Dynasty at the end of it tethor.

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I occasionally hear references to "Rae Days" from some of those idiot panelists on 'Power and Politics'. They just won't let it die.

As for Wynne, since last night she's been praising the reign of King McQuinty. She was interviewed right after her win last night, and with reference to the teacher's and unuions, she said she will have an open door policy and will talk to them anytime. But then she went on to say that keeping a $12billion deficit is just not sustainable.

Brachina

Yeah Wynne is pretty screwed. She has nothing she can offer the NDP without raising taxes, which I doubt she'll agree too given the attitudude she's taking. If she does she'll enrage the blue grits and Hudak will have a field day.

She wants labour peace, but she won't dump the imposed contracts so good luck on that, given that that's a key demand.

If she cuts services and the like to appease Hudak she may as well declare Andrea the next Premier.

She's about to get slammed hard by attack ads from Hudak on issues she has no defence for.

Not to mention she'll have to choose wheather to give into opposition demands for investigations into various scandals or to look like she's hiding something.

What cards does she really have to play? A more friendly face won't cut it. Nor will Platitudes when the Province rots around her.

She's broke, surrounded by enemies on all sides, leading a party that's run out of steam, dealing with a public out of patience.

Michelle

janfromthebruce wrote:

Ah the Rae Days - let's crawl back to 1990 - 1995 - only 22 to 17 years ago where many new voters have "no memory" of this, and besides Bob Rae is a big time liberal now.

I've always thought that was a rather specious argument (that Rae is a Liberal, therefore you can't pin "Rae Days" on the NDP).  Same with public auto insurance.

So are we to understand that Rae somehow singlehandedly made these decisions while every other person in the entire Ontario NDP opposed them?

Anyhow, it was a long time ago, as you say.  But then again, I don't see the ONDP having moved to the left at all in the intervening years. 

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I think we should start a new thread since McGuinty is so passe'.

OFL calls on Ontario’s New Premier to Redefine Provincial Priorities Around an Economic Recovery that Includes Everyone

“We are calling on Premier Wynne to begin governing Ontario with the people of Ontario. Struggling families cannot continue to be the only ones making sacrifices during tough economic times while banks and corporations siphon billions of dollars from the public treasury due to a decade of corporate tax cuts,” said Ryan. “It is time for a fair and balanced approach to balancing the budget.”

“Ontarians need an industrial strategy that promotes job creation. We need labour law reform that protects workers’ rights to join a union and negotiate collectively with their employer. We need social program funding that pulls our hospitals, schools and universities out of last place. We need a poverty reduction plan that increases social assistance rates and provides a living wage for everyone. Most of all, we need fair taxation for banks and corporations and everyone earning over 250,000,” said Ryan. “The economy can’t recover unless everyone recovers.”

David Young

Pundits mention 'Rae Days', but do they ever mention Grant Devine and the utterly corrupt Conservatives in Saskatchewan?

The media is anti-NDP, so don't bother wasting time and breath wondering why the NDP gets such poor coverage.

 

janfromthebruce

Michelle wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

Ah the Rae Days - let's crawl back to 1990 - 1995 - only 22 to 17 years ago where many new voters have "no memory" of this, and besides Bob Rae is a big time liberal now.

I've always thought that was a rather specious argument (that Rae is a Liberal, therefore you can't pin "Rae Days" on the NDP).  Same with public auto insurance.

So are we to understand that Rae somehow singlehandedly made these decisions while every other person in the entire Ontario NDP opposed them?

Anyhow, it was a long time ago, as you say.  But then again, I don't see the ONDP having moved to the left at all in the intervening years. 

 

Hi Michele, I'm just using the tactics of other parties and "pinning" everything on the leader. That said, I do know that the "leader" does have much to say and direct within a government (if that is their leadership style). Thus I would not suggest that all leaders are the same where some leadership is shared. In Rae's situation, he was much more directional and a "loner". Rae is very congenial in the spotlight but not in a group setting or caucas.

The MSM is that the "Rae" NDP govt was fiscally irresponsible. Actually, I don't necessarily think it was. It came to power, and acquired a Hidden debt from the Liberals. The economy tanked and the Mulroney feds followed by the Chretien Liberals downloaded onto the provinces, and also inacted NAFTA. It also cut transfer payments. All this together, put Ontario (like all other provinces into debt/deficit situations) but it appears that only the Rae NDP govt con'ts to "own" it by the MSM FOREVER.

Near the end of the Rae govt, it actually balanced the budget in the last year and set up the economic provincial structure to pay down the debt and eliminate the "structural deficit". The Harris govt got to reap the reward of Floyd Laughren financial restructuring (along with the upswing in the economy). See Floyd Laughren for more information.

As Finance Minister, Laughren was frequently criticized for presiding over a series of budget deficits (his 1991 budget proclaimed a deficit of almost ten billion dollars) without significant job creation. Laughren's defenders have noted that much of North America was mired in a significant recession during this period, and that the outgoing Liberal government of David Peterson significantly underestimated expenditure costs in 1990. It has also been noted that Laughren's budgets after 1991 were generally focused on deficit-cutting measures.

As for public auto insurance, with the implementation of NAFTA, it made it almost impossible to do this without the whole insurance industry in Canada and beyond sueing them and extracting their pound of flesh, so to speak. Sad that.

I'd prefer that time not be wasted on defending the Rae govt - too complicated - and just say that Rae is a liberal now and enough said. And by god, it's like 20 years ago and who cares.

As to moving to the left, I'd love to see an NDP govt inact an "alternative budget". Remember those? I don't even know anymore if the CCPA does those anymore but I'd love to see an NDP govt do that. Here's a shout out to Hugh MacKenzie.

 

 

clambake

Great post, Jan. Puts the Rae years into perspective.

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Bob Rae was being interviewed on CBC, and said the federal Conservative attack team is already running ads against Wynne, even before she is sworn in. He said that's how the Cons operate: "attack, attack, attack".

ETA: it strikes me as odd that the federal Conservatives are attacking Wynne, especially as Harper on the weekend thanked McGuinty for implementing his so-called federal "Economic Action Plan" in Ontario - and Wynne was a part of McQuinty's government.

Brachina

http://warrenkinsella.com/2013/01/gomery-gauntlet-thrown-down/

Notice how the Liberals are villifying Andrea Horwath for wanting an inquiry into the cancelled Gas Plant deal. And notice how accountablity via the Gormery Comminision is protrayed as the evil victimization of the Liberals by the evil duo of Harper and Layton. As if Liberal corruption had nothing to do with it.

The whole throwing down the guantlet thing makes me laugh. Melodramatic. Liberals hate being held to account for corruption. Millions flushed down the toilet in the hopes of keeping a seat or two and we're supposed to believe its no big deal.

The Liberals are in shock, Wynne supposedly a left wing liberal, the NDP was supposed to just curl up and die, how dare they refused to do so :p

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How is Wynne a left wing Liberal? I haven't seen one iota of evidence yet. Are people just making assunptions based on her gender and sexual orientation? If so, then that is just twisted.

Junkyard Dog

Compared to some of the supposed "Liberals" we've seen in recent years, she at least appears to be more of...a moderate, I suppose you could say. Not that that actually means a damn thing, natch. She didn't exactly distinguish herself when McGitty was declaring teachers to be Public Enemy # 1.

If anything, this situation reminds me of nothing so much as Kim Campbell left holding the bag when Brian "Scum-sucker" Mulroney didn't have the nerve to face the voters' wrath at the end of his reign. Of course, Mulroney then had the sheer, unmitigated gall to later claim the Tories would have coasted to yet another victory if only he had remained as PM! I wonder if McGuinty will pull the same stunt after the smoke has cleared from the next provincial election?

I think history will assess McGuinty as a premier with very meagre accomplishments. He won 3 elections by not beeing Mike Harris...

And I'm convinced the main factor in him winning the last one was that he wasn't Rob Ford. By then, a certain amount of buyers' remorse had begun to settle in about Ford, and people were waking up to the fact that, yes, we had an actual, factual far right nut in as the Mayor of Toronto. I'm certain that contributed to McGuinty's victory here in the city, at least.

Wynne seems like a nice enough woman, and it's a shame our first woman/lesbian Premiere has to be a representative from this Liberal Party. But if she bucks the rightwards drift of the Liberals, it'll be in word only.

 

janfromthebruce

No BB - it has nothing to do with her gender or sexual orientation. Wynne comes across as a progressive or left of centre Liberal. Of course, as you have noted, you haven't seen evidence of such. It's classic liberal ploy, talk left but act right.

janfromthebruce

And as for attacks, I'm thinking it's PC attack ads and not federal conservative attack ads.

Kathleen Wynne shrugs off Tory attack ads

Premier-designate Kathleen Wynne is shrugging off new Progressive Conservative radio attack ads now hitting the airwaves.

Brachina

I find it funny how the Liberals think that just because they have a new leader, all thier troubles will drift away.

Not going to happen, the opposition parties won't allow it.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/search/blog.html?b=fullcomment.nationalpos...

Brachina

janfromthebruce wrote:

And as for attacks, I'm thinking it's PC attack ads and not federal conservative attack ads.

Kathleen Wynne shrugs off Tory attack ads

Premier-designate Kathleen Wynne is shrugging off new Progressive Conservative radio attack ads now hitting the airwaves.

I find it funny that Wynne thinks the goal of the ads is to Bait her, when the goal of the ads is simply to link her irrevesibly to the Dalton legacy of shame.

I wonder if Wynne will give into Adreas demand for a public inquiry?

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Wynne would be foolish to call an inquiry. We'll just have to wait for the auditor's report.

felixr

Wynne needs a spring election. Barring that she has no mandate from the people.

Socialist Feminist

felixr wrote:

Wynne needs a spring election. Barring that she has no mandate from the people.

 

To be fair, by that logic Sask. NDP Premier Calvert had "no mandate" from 2001 to 2003.

 

Maybe this (Wynne and Horwath both talking welfare reform) makes a spring Ontario election less likely :

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/social-assistance-reform-a-priority-for-new-ontario-government/article7957452/

http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/localnews/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10497157

 

 

 

 

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Brachina

Where's Wynne going to get the money for this and transportation?

It'll be interesting to see if Wynne gives into NDP demands for tax increases. Who knows.

I do think that its a day late and a dollar short, if Dalton had resigned before the last election and Wynne had won, then yes the Liberals could have eaten the NDPs lunch.

All this will do is create the impression that the Liberals consider the NDP the greater electoral threat, which it is, but the fatigue with the Liberal Government has already set in to extreme levels.

I guess will see.

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