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Premier McGuinty resigns

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Brachina
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http://warrenkinsella.com/2013/01/labour-legend-hargrove-on-pupatello/ Buzz at it again. In other news rumours are that if Wynn wins she's going to float the idea of a Coalition.

janfromthebruce
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Sandra is a right-winger and it's obvious. And she can say whatever she wants. I'd suggest that if she wins, and there is a byelection that the NDP run a very popular candidate. Why not? I remember the Libs doing the same thing when John Tory ran in a byelection and the Liberals won and so it is fair play for sure.


theleftyinvestor
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Brachina wrote:
In other news rumours are that if Wynn wins she's going to float the idea of a Coalition.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1315467--ontario...

Wynne also said she would be open to formal cooperation with the NDP to avoid an imminent election. “If (NDP leader) Andrea (Horwath) is the [one] who’s willing to work with us … then I’m more than open to having that conversation,” she said.

NDP leader Andrea Horwath said Tuesday that she would be open to collaboration with the next Liberal leader. Would you entertain a formal coalition with the NDP?

I will be reaching out to both Tim (Hudak) and Andrea (Horwath). I want the opportunity to talk to both of them. And not in a one-off, take-it-or-leave-it way, but I want to figure out how we’re going to do this, how we’re going to establish a relationship. Whichever or both of them are willing to have that conversation, I’m willing to work with them. I don’t know the level of formality. That has to come out of those conversations.

If you didn’t like Bill 115, why did you vote for it?

If I hadn’t voted for Bill 115, as I’ve said to my teacher friends and colleagues, the premier would have had to ask me to leave cabinet. And I determined that it was more important for me to be there to continue to voice my opinion than to vote against the bill and leave cabinet. But that does not mean that the decisions were all good. They clearly weren’t.


Unionist
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buyme118 wrote:


you can find many cheap and high stuff

Although I try (not always successfully) to be respectful with new babblers, I really have to wonder what this post has to do with McGuinty's resignation? Are you suggesting the Ontario Liberals should purchase a new leader and pay by credit card or Western Union?? I don't even think that's legal.

Anyway, welcome to babble - with your diverse interests, I'm sure you'll find much to contribute to here. And I'll be looking forward to that cheap high!

 


janfromthebruce
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that rumour is absolutely media driven.


Brachina
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The Star has made a vast ethical breach by trying to equate cooperation with coalition and,as such have made cooperation far more difficult playing. They've absolutely screwed over Wynn and given Susan an edge. Fear of a NDP coalition will drive both the blue grits and those fearing it means extinction for the OLP over to Susan and Wynn's massive denial has alienated the procooperation and procoalition factions. Add Buzz's endorsement which could attract some on the so called Liberal left, Susan's lead in degates and Susan's connections to MPs, MPPs, and party officials and people who formally held such offices all of whom get a vote. Oh and add in the Superstition that someone from Toronto can't win, again in Susan favour. I think barring a huge mistake Susan will take this. This is good for the NDP. The cooperation with Wynn will win over Liberal NDP swing voters, especially with Susan,as leader. Its the best of both worlds.

janfromthebruce
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The Star represents the elitist system that must be protected at all costs. It pretends otherwise, but "the system" has been under constant attack since the occupy movements. The Star, like all big media rely and depend on advertisement dollars to stay afloat.

Thus, it supported the McGuinty govt in how it presented Bill 115. No matter how many times it was disputed that protest against this undemocratic law of convenience was about charter rights, they would repeat the trope that it was about wage freezes and deficit spending.

Here's a super article about “Putting Students First” doesn’t mean putting teachers last

 

Manufacturing a Crisis and the Erosion of Democracy 

Premier McGuinty, Education Minister Broten, and Conservative party leader Hudak knowingly misrepresented the situation to the public when they claimed in August that “The start of our school year is at risk.” This was fearmongering and opportunistic politicking. For the Liberals, it was about a calculation of how to win two by-elections and gain a majority government. For the Conservatives, it was about creating fear and resentment of public sector workers in general, and mustering public support for changing and weakening the province’s labour laws.

 


theleftyinvestor
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Brachina wrote:
The Star has made a vast ethical breach by trying to equate cooperation with coalition and,as such have made cooperation far more difficult playing. They've absolutely screwed over Wynn and given Susan an edge. Fear of a NDP coalition will drive both the blue grits and those fearing it means extinction for the OLP over to Susan and Wynn's massive denial has alienated the procooperation and procoalition factions. Add Buzz's endorsement which could attract some on the so called Liberal left, Susan's lead in degates and Susan's connections to MPs, MPPs, and party officials and people who formally held such offices all of whom get a vote. Oh and add in the Superstition that someone from Toronto can't win, again in Susan favour. I think barring a huge mistake Susan will take this. This is good for the NDP. The cooperation with Wynn will win over Liberal NDP swing voters, especially with Susan,as leader. Its the best of both worlds.

Susan?

Did you perhaps mean Sandra?


Brachina
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Oops, your right Sandra.

Brachina
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The Star is trying to spin that Andrea is now back tracking on the issue of a Coalition, when in fact nethier She nor Wynn suggested or supported the idea, even in the Star's own qoutes. Now the Star has endorsed Sandra. What a surprise! I'm not a fan of any Liberal Cabinat Minister, but the deliberate attempt to sabotage Wynn's campaign and lying by the Star is pure rotten and one of the worst ethical breaches in Journalism. I mean its not just partisan, or bullcrap, which I've come to expect, but I think its boarder line libel. And I say this as someone who wants Sandra to win the liberal leadership race, as she'll be the easiest for the NDP to beat, and lead to Premier Andrea Horwath. And I think its working. At this point I'd be very shocked if Sandra loses the Lib, leadership.

janfromthebruce
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I agree with Brachina with your assessment. I also love how liberals love to fight in public view and eat each other to the bitter end. It shows how "winning" is all that matters in their quest for power.


janfromthebruce
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I agree with Brachina with your assessment. I also love how liberals love to fight in public view and eat each other to the bitter end. It shows how "winning" is all that matters in their quest for power.


adma
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My spin is: Wynne has the Red Tories, and Pupatello has the Blue Liberals.


janfromthebruce
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I agree adma. But there is a contingent of delegates, the establishment who back PooPoo to ensure that structured power behind the throne remains in tact. They get automatic votes and aren't delegates.


adma
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Speaking of "Red Tories", I find an odd resemblance btw/Wynne and Mike Harris's leadership runner-up Diane Cunningham


theleftyinvestor
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22 Minutes struck a low blow, referring to Wynne as "Tommy Douglas".


janfromthebruce
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She is no Tommy Douglas. Tommy Douglas after winning his federal seat was asked by Liberals to sit with them and refused. He had principles and convictions and didn't sell out. Wynne by being in cabinet and voting for Bill 115 sold out. Also during the debates she didn't say that she would rip up those contracts if elected and renegotiate so on some level she is okay with revoking charter rights if it meets short term needs.


theleftyinvestor
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I call it a low blow, not because of Tommy Douglas being anything bad, but because they were making fun of her appearance (lesbian with a short haircut and glasses = man?). Having been surrounded by gender non-conformers since my teens, it stung to hear them make a cheap shot.


janfromthebruce
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Since I did not see the clip I was unaware of the "reference implication". I'm pretty surprised considering that it was 22 minutes. That said, most women in their late 50s have short haircuts and wear glasses, in ango saxon communities that is.


adma
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janfromthebruce wrote:
That said, most women in their late 50s have short haircuts and wear glasses, in ango saxon communities that is.

Case in point: my comparison point above.


toaster
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For the good of the province, I pray Wynne wins.  Sure it may be more difficult for Andrea next election, but for right now, Puppatello will only be more of the same bull we've seen with McGuinty.  Worst case scenario, Puppatello wins and is able to Govern with Hudak and PC support.  I'd much rather Wynne "win", govern either with NDP support, or go to an election where hopefully the ONDP can win.


Unionist
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So a Wynne win would be a win win?


toaster
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Well the real win would be an ONDP win in the next election, but for now I think Wynne would be a "win win".  Also, having Ontario's first woman and first openly gay Premier would be something to be proud of.


adma
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If there aren't Charlie Sheen-style "Wynneing" shirts at the convention, I'll be darned.


Boom Boom
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Heather Hiskox on CBC Newsworld  said this morning that Putabello and Wynne are the front runners, the others are so far back that it's unlikely they have a chance. Isn't this kind of reporting - on the eve of the conference - unethical?  (I'm imagining people saying "CBC says only Putabello and Wynne have a chance at winning, so if we're not voting for either of them, we may as well stay home")


Mr.Tea
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I think it's pretty accurate. I can't see anyone other than Wynne or Pupatello taking it. I doubt you'll see a surprise like when Stephane Dion won the federal leadership. 


janfromthebruce
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Well TorStar editorialized their support for Pupatello and basically has been riding their horse daily. And there too, it is seen as a match only between the 2 female candidates.

Toaster, I doubt Sandra would get support from the PCs, as it appears they are itching for an election, so she would have to depend on the NDP for support. And that would be interesting in itself because she is a right leaning Liberal.

Libs goal is to rule as long as possible and get away from the stench of major bucks disasters. I'm not sure if it's in the best interests of all to let them con't.


Boom Boom
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I suspect the Ontario Libs really want to remain in power so we won't discover how badly the books are cooked.


Boom Boom
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Andrea Horwath was just on P&P saying the Liberals need to show some goodwill and collegiality - and lose their dictatorship style - if they expect to work with the NDP. She said the party has been focused on themselves and not the people of Ontario.


Boom Boom
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My thinking is that Pupatello would be the best leader for the NDP to run against - but the only candidate I have any empathy for is Kathleen Wynne.

ETA: Greg Weston on P&P: Pupatello is the establishment candidate.


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