Rob Ford: The Mirror...er...Cracked...

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Rob Ford: The Mirror...er...Cracked...

Post your predictions here as to how long His Royal Arrogance will survive in office, now that the Toronto fuzz has the tape.

(And, did it strike anybody else that, when he spoke to the press yesterday, Ford, for the first time ever in public, looked like a beaten man? that all the thuggish confidence was gone?)

NorthReport

Hopefully he goes to rehab, then runs in the next election, where he will get destroyed politically once and for all. 

terrytowel

Toronto Board of Trade has released a statement urging the Mayor to resign.

Toronto Region Board of Trade believes that under current circumstancesit is in the best interests of the City of Toronto for Mayor Ford to take a leave of absence until the situation is resolved. The Mayor of the city must put Toronto first.

Putting Toronto first means the Mayor must be able to effectively address our city’s key priorities such a sattracting investment, jobs and talent from around the world. He must be the city’s marketer-in-chief. Putting Toronto first means leading development of the transportation we desperately need to reduce gridlock.

Putting Toronto first means overseeing daily operations ensuring Toronto’s $11-billion annual budgetis properly managed. These annual budget deliberations are about to begin.

We believe the current situation must be a distraction for the Mayor and therefore it is not possible to put Toronto first. It is our view that Mayor Ford cannot effectively fulfill these duties and others while this cloud hangs over him and the city. We understand this matter must be very troubling to the Mayor and urge him to resolve it as quickly as possible.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Hopefully he goes to rehab, then runs in the next election, where he will get destroyed politically once and for all. 

Well, yeah, you would hope that even this guy can admit he needs help and get the help he needs.

It's even worth pondering if this moment of humbling might possibly cause Ford to develop a little bit of common humanity, and to see others with problems and needs as something other than vermin to exterminate.  That may be asking too much, but a person can dream.

 

It's an open question, though, as to whether the larger forces that back Ford's agenda will let him stay on if he looks even somewhat vulnerable at the polls.  After all, even Margaret Thatcher was deposed by her party when it looked like she was doomed to lead them to defeat. 

mark_alfred

My only hope is that the rest of city council truly ignores the fool now and reconsiders the LRT, saving the city a billion dollars and providing Scarborough with seven rather than three stops (that will serve people more effectively).  I say this because I suspect that Ford isn't going to leave.  So, I hope the rest of council finds the integrity to start ignoring this imbecile and governing properly in the best interests of the citizens of Toronto.  Mayor or not, he's only one voice (and vote) on council.

Centrist

terrytowel wrote:
He must be the city’s marketer-in-chief.

And I thought that BC was the winner in wacky Canadian politics. Rob Ford and, by definition, Toronto, takes the cake. What an embarrassment this guy is for Canada - representing Canada`s largest city. A guy like Ford wouldn`t even get elected for any office in BC fer chrise sakes. Ford is all that I am now hearing about from my local circles in terms of laffs. And it`s also all over CNN.

If it looks like a Ford, walks like a Ford, and quacks like a Ford - it`s a Ford! Tongue out 

mark_alfred wrote:
My only hope is that the rest of city council truly ignores the fool now and reconsiders the LRT, saving the city a billion dollars and providing Scarborough with seven rather than three stops (that will serve people more effectively).

Having no knowledge of the Toronto subway v. lrt debate but then also seeing today`s Forum Research poll regarding same showing a 38% - 37% marginal preference of lrt over subway (both options), I believe that this issue is also marginal compared to the national embarrassment that Ford is projecting as the head of Toronto. Really!!!!

http://www.forumresearch.com/forms/News%20Archives/News%20Releases/64277_TO_Scarborough_Subway_%282013.10.30%29_Forum_Research.pdf

 

 

 

Sineed

terry towel wrote:
The Star also reports Ford poll number have gone up

So let's look at this poll: 44% approve of the job he is doing. The same poll says 60% want him to resign........

Okay I want to call it: as I type this, Dept. Mayor is chez Ford, delivering a letter of recommendation to Hizzoner. Ford will be gone before Monday.

quizzical

you know what i find weird...people out here are starting to feel sorry for him and think TO cops should produce the video or leave him alone!!!!! i find it disconcerting the empathy they're feeling towards him too.

terrytowel

The Toronto Star is reporting that the latest 'intervention' at Ford's mothers house changed nothing in Ford's mind. He has no intention of resigning or stepping down. And it is business as usual, as Ford thinks this will just blow over.

The new line of attack from the Ford brothers will be on Bill Blair's credibility.

The Star also reports Ford poll number have gone up

According to a poll taken Thursday night by Forum Research, the poll found that 44 per cent of voters approve of the job Rob Ford is doing as mayor, while an Oct. 28 poll found that just 39 per cent approved.

terrytowel

quizzical wrote:

you know what i find weird...people out here are starting to feel sorry for him and think TO cops should produce the video or leave him alone!!!!!

That is the Toronto Sun's line now. Joe Wormington is now saying this was a set-up, a conspiracy by the cops.

The Ford machine is now targeting Bill Blair as the one who is behind this, questioning HIS truthfulness, than the mayor's.

Meanwhile the Mayor just wants to brush this under the rug, go about hs business and pretend nothing ever happened.

There is nothing anyone can do to get him to leave!

An addict cannot get help until they admit they have a problem. That is Ford's problem. He is in such denial, and refuses to admit he has a problem. So nothing will change. All the yelling about him leaving will not convince Ford to leave.

lagatta

Yes, but even without the booze, crack and other drugs, and extreme food binges, he'd still be a nasty jerk.

A thin Ford like the old fascist Henry?

mark_alfred

I heard on the radio that council recommended he either resign or take a leave of absence, and the Deputy Mayor will be having a meeting with him this afternoon to let him know this.  I'm guessing Ford's answer will be no.  So, I'm guessing he'll still be there on Monday.

terrytowel wrote:

The Toronto Star is reporting that the latest 'intervention' at Ford's mothers house changed nothing in Ford's mind. He has no intention of resigning or stepping down. And it is business as usual, as Ford thinks this will just blow over.

The new line of attack from the Ford brothers will be on Bil Blair's credibility.

The Star also reports Ford poll number have gone up

According to a poll taken Thursday night by Forum Research, the poll found that 44 per cent of voters approve of the job Rob Ford is doing as mayor, while an Oct. 28 poll found that just 39 per cent approved.

Fascinating.  It would be good if the video was released, but it really shouldn't have to be.  In fact, the mere reporting of it by three journalists last May (including two reputable ones from the Star) should have sufficed.  Now that there has been forensic recovery and analysis of the video by experts and the existence was confirmed by police, it also should not be necessary to see it.  I mean, does Joe and Jane Schmo, or me, or you, really need to confirm this further?  Of course not.  And the pages of evidence released that he's been cavorting with criminals known to associate with drug dealing and gun running and violent crimes such as extortion and possibly murder....and people still feel they need to see this video to make up their minds?  Yeesh.  I suspect he'd still poll 40% even if the video was out.

I suppose it makes sense.  If you hate public services and government in general, then the person to find for mayor would be the most moronic Quasimodo ever who'd scream "sanctuary for taxpayers" while preventing any sort of intelligible governance.  For these voters, the video would likely be seen as evidence that they chose the correct Quasimodo.

Junkyard Dog

The Star's also reporting that Ford showed up at City Hall on St. Patrick's Day of last year while very obviously hammered out of his skull. His status as an extremely public drunk seems pretty undeniable now, which would make you think his hardcore supporters would feel a certain embarrassment in continuing to flock to the man's defense. But I have no doubt they're up to it. Our Democratic friends across the border have a saying: IOIYAR, i.e. "It's Okay if You're A Republican." As we've seen, the John Bircher/Tea Party hard core fascist types have absolutely no shame whatsoever in defending their own against charges that they'd want to physically tear their opponents limb-from limb over. So it's Evil Incarnate if, say, Bill Clinton is a drug using draft dodger. But if you accurately level the same accusation against, oh, Newt Gingrich? Or George W. Bush? Or Rush Limbaugh? Then you're the evil one. This type of mindset has zero difficulty in fervently adhering to such a double standard; indeed, it's as natural and instinctive as breathing to them. "Hypocrisy" really is too mild a word for it.

A more interesting question is how on earth did someone as stupid and crude and obviously transparent as Rob Ford manage to secure these people's allegiance? Nobody would accuse Mayor Cartman of being the brightest bulb in the box...But y'know, slyness and intelligence aren't the same thing. Ford has a low-born animal cunning that's served him fairly well up 'til now, and a demagogue's instinctive grasp on how to successfully pander to his audience. The fact that he's a rich pig makes him an appealing fantasy figure to these people. Since that's what they'd wish for themselves, they don't disapprove, and since Ford is willing to stroke their egos by pandering to them, they think he's one of them. So, this is tribalism of the most brutish kind at work, and in all honesty, I don't think Ford is faking the know-nothingism or the ignorant-and-proud-of-it qualities he exudes like a bad stench. Any more than he's faking the meanness or the cultural resentments, the small-mindedness or anti-intellectualism or homophobia. In every way that counts (to their thinking), he is one of them. So attack him, and you attack them. A lot of them are fed up and understandably frustrated at Buisness As Usual politics, and when somebody like Ford comes along, an obviously uncultured bumpkin, when you set aside the issue of his wealth, he doesn't seem like one of them thar fancypants political types, one 'a them ell-ee-tists.

And, of course, many in his base are nothing more than stupid and mean, and more than a few of them genuinely appreciate schoolyard bully types in the political world...as long as they're not the ones being bullied, natch.

lagatta

They have really redefined "élite" as people who are at least somewhat educated and cultivated, whatever our actual socio-economic status.

Coderre isn't quite as gross as Ford, but he appeals to some of the same loutish instincts.

Sineed

quizzical wrote:
you know what i find weird...people out here are starting to feel sorry for him

Some of that is the usual hypocrisy of the right as elucidated by Junkyard Dog in post #12. But also it's the compassion of people who (accurately) see a deeply troubled man in denial about his drug and alcohol abuse.

I can almost feel sorry for him. Remember his failed weight loss challenge during which he gained weight and was photographed at KFC, etc? That was brother Doug's idea. So his staunchest defender and closest family member also deliberately sets him up for public humiliation. Nice family he grew up in.

terrytowel

CP24 just caught up to Rob Ford on his way to meeting Norm Kelly. Ford was all smiles and yet again said he is not resigning, no matter what people say or do.

quizzical

Sineed wrote:
quizzical wrote:
you know what i find weird...people out here are starting to feel sorry for him

Some of that is the usual hypocrisy of the right as elucidated by Junkyard Dog in post #12.

the people who surprised me were the 60-70's crowd and definitely not conservatives in voting patterns. if lawn signs are things to go by!

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 But also it's the compassion of people who (accurately) see a deeply troubled man in denial about his drug and alcohol abuse.

I can almost feel sorry for him. Remember his failed weight loss challenge during which he gained weight and was photographed at KFC, etc? That was brother Doug's idea. So his staunchest defender and closest family member also deliberately sets him up for public humiliation. Nice family he grew up in.

ya, i recognize the denial and the worry for his health. i worry more for his kids.....and nice family they are for putting the kids through this!!!!!!! ya'd think the grandmother would think about protecting them. i know my mom would.......

Sineed

I was chatting with a former RoFo supporter yesterday, who has backed away from a previous vociferous defense of the mayor, but did express indignation at the press on hizzoner's front lawn, questioning him about his crack use in front of his kids. So I said, if he doesn't want the reporters on the front lawn, he needs to not be a rich and famous guy who smokes crack in front of people with cell phone cameras.

He reminds me of my patients, except my patients are in and out of jail because of their substance use. Therein my sympathy begins and ends.

lagatta

Nope, I remember this: http://bikingtoronto.com/blog/2007/03/dead-cyclists-always-at-fault-says...

“I can’t support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day.”

-Rob Ford, Toronto City Councilor

http://bikingtoronto.com/blog/2007/03/dead-cyclists-always-at-fault-says...

Roads, even in Toronto, were NOT built for cars: http://bikingtoronto.blogspot.ca/2007/01/bikingtoronto-photo-of-day_17.html

To say nothing of older cities such as Montréal, Québec, Halifax... Not to mention old world cities in Asia and Europe...

I don't give a crap whether he lives or dies, and his demise would make me no sadder than that of the Golden Dawn Neo-Nazis rubbed out in Greece recently. A friend of mine killed himself not long ago via chain smoking and binge drinking. But this friend never did such evil to anyone, except himself of course.

quizzical

i  come from the primary position he and his type of person are socio-paths. i have no sympathy. well.....only for the children who obviously have a group of adults around them concerned only for themselves and the "power" they've got and not how this will impact the kids.

my People's believed the desire not to share with all and live in a happy and equal society meant you were suffering from mental illness and needed to be apart from the collective less you taint others with your disease.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

1)Is there any provision under which the city council can suspend or remove Ford from office?

2)Any chance of Maclean's issuing an apology for all of the months they spent(including some of their most recent issues)sneering at those who raised the issue of Ford's susbstance abuse problems and making snide insinuations that the crack footage didn't even exist?

(yes, I think I know the answer to #2, but couldn't help asking...)

Maysie Maysie's picture

Four uncomfortable truths about the Ford crack scandal

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1. The violence against racialized people has been overlooked

The outrage directed at Ford centres around the morality associated with his use of drugs and his inability to own up to it publicly.  Certainly, these are important issues.  This is especially true considering that Ford has been very public in attacking poor people and programs directed at people who are or may become involved in drugs or petty crimes.

What has been completely underemphasized however is the fact that one young man, Anthony Smith, is dead, one other shot and another thrown from a sixth-story balcony in another part of the country.  All three of these youth were directly associated with the video.

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2. Ford compromised the interests of a section of the rich to get richer

Toronto is the centre of finance capital in Canada, and also continues to be one of the centres for infrastructure and condo development in North America.

These interest groups represent billions of dollars and as such want politicians who will lower their costs, but more importantly who will also be effective in managing public affairs so as to ensure their accumulation goes unimpeded.  These interests stand to make far more money from their developments and contracts than they do from reduced fees and taxes.

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Take for example the waterfront.  Ford and his brother Doug challenged the proposal to create a tourist attraction in the Port Lands that included a Ferris Wheel, football stadium and mono-rail.  This went against the plan being developed by the government agency to create housing, park and employment uses on this land, including a potential $6.8-billion in sales from 12,000 new residential units.  While the Ford’s plan may have made one group of capitalists happy, it certainly went against the interests of the housing developers who stand to make billions from those sales. 

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Put plainly, Ford has been a liability to many monied interests in this City.  This is obviously made worse by the scandal and the instability that it presents for those who just want the City to function so that they can continue to profit.  This is the real power behind government in this City, and perhaps they had enough of Ford’s antics.  If Ford had been more prudent, more careful, maybe he wouldn’t be where he is right now – with all the corporate media and the police head lined up against him. 

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3. Ford numerous scandals reveal a huge double standard and more importantly, that the people are not in control of government

Ford literally got away with any and everything, even when he was caught and even when it was illegal.

In the first year of the cell phone driving law being passed, 46 000 tickets where given out with fines ranging from $150-500.  This law is supposed to protect people from distracted drivers. Ford was caught on his phone and in one instance, reading a report, while driving.  Unlike those thousands of people, Ford was not given a ticket.  This was one of many clear examples of the double standards that exists between how law is applied to the powerful and how it is applied to us regular folk.

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4. Cuts didn’t start with Ford, and they won’t end him

Again, only time will tell if Ford is on his way out, but some of the basics of his political message and approach will remain.

Importantly, it has to be acknowledged that aspects of Ford’s agenda began with previous administrations, including that of David Miller.  After all, it was Miller’s administration that increased the number of Police, proposed community recreation fee hikes, implemented TTC fare hikes among other things.  Austerity and neoliberalism in Toronto didn’t start with Ford.

Ford carried these policies to their next logical step, combining user-fee increases with service cuts (which have included cuts to programs for youth and seniors, to TTC and much more proposed).  Ford justified these by the rallying call around keeping taxes low, a call which resonated among a large number of people who are beginning to feel the crunch of the global economic recession while also seeing corruption, dysfunction and entitlement among all levels of government.

Ford’s message resonated because it tapped into a growing disenchantment among the people that politicians are not trustworthy and disconnected, that the political structure is broken and that things are getting worse and something needs to be done.  His friendly, personal approach reinforced his image as the anti-politician, who didn’t want to work in the same way as the other politicians.  This allowed Ford to channel the general frustration and resentment of the public, instead of trying to tell people that everything is fine.  Oddly enough, many didn’t notice that he, as a rich, dishonest politician himself, was channeling that frustration against the people themselves, especially the most vulnerable.

Ford’s opponents, including NDP- and Liberal- affiliated councillors and unions, have not been able to challenge Ford’s message as of yet, partially because they do not acknowledge that people’s growing frustrations are justified.  Moreover, many of them do not want to rock the boat, and would rather paint the solution as simply one of changing the person in charge.

nicky

It is now reported that Ford will make an "announcement" on his radio show at 1:00 pm today.

Given what has slipped out so far I expect him to go on the offensive, attack Blair, claim a huge conspiracy against him, and confirm he will stay on and run for re-election. He is demanding the video be released because he know that the police are constrained from releasing it before Lisi goes to trial which may well be after the next election. He thinks he can buy at least a year this way.

The Forum poll, which just cannot be accurate, will also encourage him.

His lawyer, whom I know and is otherwise a sensible guy, has suggested that Ford was smoking tobacco on the video!!!!!!!

On top of all this, I am told by reporter friends that there may be even stranger revelations coming.

Last week Ford delicately said that the next election will be a "bloodbath." For once I think he is being truthful.

cco

Well, that makes sense. I know whenever I have a craving for a cigarette, I drive down to the middle of the ghetto, go into a crack house, and smoke one out of a crack pipe. It just doesn't taste the same otherwise, you know.

nicky

You must be part of Ford Nation, CCO

mersh

Thanks, Maysie, for that perspective! Reyes moves through all the leader bullshit and gives us a bang-on class and race-based analysis. Yes, we point out the hypocrasy of those in power caught in their own "moral" contradictions, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that that alone will bring about meaningful change. I'm having a wierd hybrid Nietzsche-Trotsky moment here.

"The bourgeoisie, which far surpasses the proletariat in the completeness and irreconcilability of its class consciousness, is vitally interested in imposing its moral philosophy upon the exploited masses. It is exactly for this purpose that the concrete norms of the bourgeois catechism are concealed under moral abstractions patronized by religion, philosophy, or that hybrid which is called “common sense”. The appeal to abstract norms is not a disinterested philosophic mistake but a necessary element in the mechanics of class deception." (From Their Morals and Ours)

"...the judgment "good" did not originate with those to whom "goodness" was shown! Rather it was "the good" themselves, that is to say, the noble, powerful, high-stationed and high-minded, who felt and established themselves and their actions as good, that is, of the first rank, in contradistinction to all the low, low-minded, common and plebian..." (From On the Genealogy of Morality)

6079_Smith_W

terrytowel wrote:

The Ford machine is now targeting Bill Blair as the one who is behind this, questioning HIS truthfulness, than the mayor's.

Blair was a fool for making that statement about being disappointed. All he did was give Ford supporters the ammunition they needed to target him, and the Mayor a valid reason for demanding his resignation.

Even if he didn't specify what he was disappointed in, it's not his job as a cop to spin stuff like that. Odd, because not too long ago he was bending over backwards to NOT make any interpretation of what might be going on, so he should know better.

 

janfromthebruce

That poll in which the headline - ford numbers move up is actually incorrect and here's the reason why. How popular is Rob Ford

On November 2 Forum Research released another poll taken just after the dramatic news about the Ford video on Thursday. That poll is now being reported, for example, by CBC as "Ford Approval goes up despite video scandal".  This is simply not an accurate portrayal of the state of public opinion.

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Forum's own headline on its release is closer to the facts in saying "Ford's approvals unaffected by controversy".  However, the same poll also stated that a huge majority (a margin of 60 to 36 per cent) say he should resign. This fact is further down in the CBC story but deserves equal emphasis. What looks like some degree of confidence really isn't.

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ONE MORE COMMENT: the poll that gave us reports on Ford's approval rating that caused the media to say it was "going up" was taken on Halloween.  That is not a good night to conduct a public opinion poll.  I also noticed some of the internal crosstabs don't make sense. For example, Ford had more support among younger respondents, less among older, which is completely inconsistent with earlier surveys. This particular poll should be discounted.

Good to read the whole posting at the blog.

arielc

6079_Smith_W wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

The Ford machine is now targeting Bill Blair as the one who is behind this, questioning HIS truthfulness, than the mayor's.

Blair was a fool for making that statement about being disappointed. All he did was give Ford supporters the ammunition they needed to target him, and the Mayor a valid reason for demanding his resignation.

Even if he didn't specify what he was disappointed in, it's not his job as a cop to spin stuff like that. Odd, because not too long ago he was bending over backwards to NOT make any interpretation of what might be going on, so he should know better.

 

It's a pretty flimsy response by Ford's lawyer and bro:
- It might have been tobacco in the glass pipe.
- The police Chief's wrong to say he's disappointed.

Not much of a defense. :lol:

I'm disappointed that the cops know Ford is drinking mickeys of vodka and then driving, and they haven't yet charged him for that!
With the evidence they've provided so far, he shouldn't be behind the wheel. '

Sineed

Good points, Jan. I had my doubts about that poll because of the contradictory findings, like Ford's approval ratings going up by 5% to 44% but at the same time 60% wanted him to step down (though maybe that's because, to his supporters, he gives 110%.)

And yeah; older people like Ford. My dad, in his late 70s, says guys his age all like Ford.

6079_Smith_W wrote:
Blair was a fool for making that statement about being disappointed.

I'm not so sure, Winston. Sure, the police have to be like Switzerland when it comes to public opining on complex matters, but I don't think expressing his disapproval of an unambiguously harmful and illegal activity affects public perception of his neutrality.

terrytowel

Ford was just on the radio and said he is NOT leaving. And there is nothing anyone can say or do to get him to leave.

 

 

cco

Praise the lord. Losing Rob Ford on the same day Montréal gets Coderre would just have been too much of a bummer.

arielc

terrytowel wrote:

Ford was just on the radio and said he is NOT leaving. And there is nothing anyone can say or do to get him to leave.

 

 

It's so sickening listening to them.

He's getting a driver.
Now he can drink more. :rolleyes:

mark_alfred

I want the police, Bill Blair, to release this video.  Whatever this video shows, Toronto residents deserve to see it.  Friends, I am the first one to admit, that I have made mistakes.  I sincerely apologize to the....unfortunately I cannot change the past, I can just move forward...I love the police...I ask the media to not come to my home, you scare my kids, I'll meet you anywhere but please please please don't come to my home....I will continue to do my job for this great city that I love.  I'm going to weather the storm and be back to fight in the next election.

Vague apology -- he didn't specify what exactly he was apologizing about. 

His bullheadedness is sort of impressive to me, I must confess.  Everyone, including all the dailies, council, the Board of Trade, etc., is calling on him to go, and yet he's determined to stay.  Fascinating.  The Sun has put out another call for him to resign, basically refuting any rationale that Ford or his Nation have given for him to stay.  It doesn't seem to phase him.  Nothing short of him being dragged out in cuffs will remove him.

 

6079_Smith_W

@ Sineed

It doesn't affect your perception or mine, perhaps. But it has given some justification to call for his head - and claim that Ford is being persecuted. And it was completely unnecessary.

Fact is, there are certain situations were it is more important to stick to the book. I happen to think Blair should have done that here.

And again, I haven't been following this too closely, but I remember one press conference where he resisted any interpretation in such a deliberately obtuse manner that it sounded like he was covering up for the mayor.

(edit)

I believe this was it:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/toronto-police-chief-blair-h...

Again, it makes my wonder why he changed his approach here. And again, it doesn't matter at all what he was disappointed in. We all know that in situations like this people interpret it how they want, or cry foul on a technicality, and run with it.

 

 

 

 

nicky

What a pathetic performance.

Rob gave a very general apology and promised to change his ways. The only thing he apologized for was drinking too much on a couple occasions and texting while driving. Nothing about crack or lying or sending Lisi to extort people into giving up the video.

The Ford brothers stated maybe 10 times that the calls were not screened but it was obvious they were. One elderly woman suggested that Rob should get help and he dodged the question.

Another caller asked him point blank what he was smoking in that glass pipe and was told that Rob could not comment on the video.

Otherwise every caller seemed to have nothing but praise for the mayor.

Pathetic.

felixr

Ford has to be careful. The next thing that goes out the window may not be his credibility or his political support, but his health.

terrytowel

What reception will Ford get when he marches in the Santa Claus Day Parade in Toronto?

Junkyard Dog

So Dumbass' "big announcement" (in addition to his non-apology "apology") was that he's going to dig in his heels and brazen it all out, eh? Standard operating procedure for the Ford Boys, then. Was anyone really expecting anything different?

The statistics quoted by Jan are something of a relief, and are pretty much what I would have assumed, anyway: It's not that Ford's support is growing so much as it's just unchanged by all the messy reality raining down on him and his fanboys' heads. That's bad enough on its own merits, actually, but is hardly unprecedented. I understand George Bush's level of support bottomed out around 27% before he finally left office, but it wouldn't go any lower, no matter how demonstrably he ran his entire country into the ground.

Ideology and tribalism trump reality for a certain mindset, and there are simply too many people out there who are stupid and mean and resentful enough to support a bullying, lying, ego-crazed asshole like Ford. These people know what they want to believe, and they're not going to let any uppity libtards or lefties or commie pinko eltists tell them otherwise. And they're sure as shit not going to want to admit that they were wrong about Ford. Humble, this group ain't; Boss Hogg's stubborn obstinance looks principled to them for a reason.

What would it take for them to turn against Ford? He'd have to turn on them, specifically, in a way that couldn't be explained away or glossed over. If, say, a drunken Ford, blasted out of his mind on crack, was driving to a political rally in his support, and ended up plowing through a crowd of his own rabid fanbase, killing and horribly injuring a dozen or so of them in the process. It would take something like that for this crowd to finally view Mayor Cartman in a different light.

And I guarantee that, if something like that were to happen, the first thing out of these people's collective mouth would be a shriek along the lines of, "WHY DIDN'T ANYONE WARN US ABOUT THIS GUY?!" And said without a hint of irony or shame or the least self-awareness.

Unionist

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Blair was a fool for making that statement about being disappointed. All he did was give Ford supporters the ammunition they needed to target him, and the Mayor a valid reason for demanding his resignation.

Even if he didn't specify what he was disappointed in, it's not his job as a cop to spin stuff like that. Odd, because not too long ago he was bending over backwards to NOT make any interpretation of what might be going on, so he should know better.

 

Agreed.

I asked the question above: Why did Bill Blair reveal the existence of some video?

Since when do police call a news conference to say, "we have some evidence involving person X"? And then they don't charge person X?

Or even if they do charge person X - why on earth would they make the evidence public?

I have seen no MSM asking this question, but I don't follow this issue that closely. I have seen no babbler address why Blair did this. I'd like to hear people's opinions on this point.

My opinion: Ford's friends and allies have decided that he must go. Blair's announcement was just one of many (Sun, Post, etc.) along that line.

 

mark_alfred

A somewhat humorous twitter account:  https://twitter.com/SlobFord

janfromthebruce

It would appear that callers were screened and known entities were screened out. One caller who did get through had part of their question cut off and not answered so yes, there was some "stage managing" going on.

I have to say in hearing some of the callers "questions" or statements, such as Ford was like John Kennedy made me realize that "Ford nation" was calling in.

And finally in terms of my dad voting for Ford, a big no. And he would fit the demographic of elderly white male except that was an upstanding citizen who would be horrified that a mayor would publicly or privately act as this one has done.

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terrytowel wrote:

What reception will Ford get when he marches in the Santa Claus Day Parade in Toronto?

Maybe they'll screen the parade-goers-or have hired thugs pound on anybody who even looks like they're gonna boo.

mark_alfred

Sun's reaction to it.  When allies turn against you, they go all out.  The article refers to Ford as "delusional".

Sineed

Unionist wrote:

I asked the question above: Why did Bill Blair reveal the existence of some video?

Since when do police call a news conference to say, "we have some evidence involving person X"? And then they don't charge person X?

Or even if they do charge person X - why on earth would they make the evidence public?

My theory: the media has been fighting to get documents and information related to the Project Traveller investigations for months. Hundreds of pages of documents were released on the order of a Superior Court justice. Not only is the video is referenced in those documents, but also the cops found it when they did a data recovery on Lisi's erased hard drive. I think it would have been impossible to keep this video, the most famous thing in the world about Toronto right now, a secret. And imagine the fall-out for Blair if he'd tried. So he put himself ahead of the game and made a statement.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/10/31/rob_ford_crack_cocaine_scanda...

Unionist wrote:
My opinion: Ford's friends and allies have decided that he must go. Blair's announcement was just one of many (Sun, Post, etc.) along that line.

Given all their ties with criminals, the relationship of the Bros Fos with the police has been complicated for a while. I wouldn't be so quick to presume that Blair is in lockstep with other Ford allies. He may actually be just doing his job here.

lagatta

I don't think we have much to say about that, when tainted piece of shit Coderre seems to have been elected mayor here. What the fuck?

arielc

Toronto's best approach now ... ?

We cannot comment on a mayor that we have not seen or does not exist ?

:) http://www.thebeaverton.com/toronto/item/1002-rob-ford-denies-the-existe...

bekayne

terrytowel wrote:

What reception will Ford get when he marches in the Santa Claus Day Parade in Toronto?

As Santa Claus?

terrytowel

The panel on CBC 3 to watch all agree. The more the calls intesify for Ford to step aside, the higher his poll numbers will climb. Because Ford Nation and other supports see these calls as bullying. Proof is that his poll numbers went up 5%

btw Lisi can release the video, because his lawyer has it. So instead of asking Blair to release, he should ask Lisi to release it.

I hope a reporter asks him that direct question. But then Ford will probably ignore that question, and just repeat that Blair should release it.

The CBC 3 to watch panel all agreed on another aspect. The media is not playing up the criminal activity fact. And for Ford supporters that fact is too complicated for them to register or see.

The media needs to frame the narrative in the simplest way about Ford dealing with criminals.

Otherwise the public just sees this as bullying, which makes his poll number climb even higher.

The more he gets calls to step aside, the higher his support climbs. It is that simple.

 

mark_alfred

Unionist wrote:

I asked the question above: Why did Bill Blair reveal the existence of some video?

Since when do police call a news conference to say, "we have some evidence involving person X"? And then they don't charge person X?

Or even if they do charge person X - why on earth would they make the evidence public?

Often after a raid and arrests, police will reveal that certain evidence was gathered (IE, guns, drugs, hard-drives, videos).  So, I don't see that this is different.  Lisi was arrested for drugs and extortion surrounding the video that was described in the ITO (so, "person X", aka Lisi, was arrested).  The video was central to the whole investigation, and also was the inspiration for Project Traveller.  I don't see it as hugely unusual that he revealed this evidence was gathered.

Project Brazen 2 ITO wrote:
On Thursday May 16th 2013 an internet article was published on a web site called "Gawker.com" alleging that there was a video of Mayor Rob FORD smoking crack cocaine. Subsequently following that a newspaper article from the Toronto Star came out with similar allegations. The alleged video was in the Dixon Road area.

As these allegations surfaced a wiretap project named Project Traveller headed by the Organized Crime Enforcement Unit Special Projects Section was under way (March 18th, 2013).

Project Traveller uncovered a whack of guns and drugs.  Like revealing that the video had been obtained, when Blair discussed Project Traveller, they did reveal that guns had been gathered, and showcased some of these (see an earlier comment of mine with photos).

Unionist wrote:

I have seen no MSM asking this question, but I don't follow this issue that closely. I have seen no babbler address why Blair did this. I'd like to hear people's opinions on this point.

My opinion: Ford's friends and allies have decided that he must go. Blair's announcement was just one of many (Sun, Post, etc.) along that line.

Maybe.  He's been pretty tight-lipped about the video generally.  Blair's a type-A personality for sure (in fact, perhaps type-AAA).  He schedules things down to the minute.  I don't think he was obliged to say anything about the video, but given that the ITO, which the courts ordered be released to the public in response to a media challenge, was centred on the video, and the video had been located from these searches, it would have been odd to not say it had been obtained.  I suppose he could have said "all evidence obtained will be released in court" and left it at that.  Still, generally when something is central to a search, and deemed in the public interest, the cops do say "we located x-amount of drugs and guns" or whatever.  The main thing that was odd about Blair's statement was giving an opinion on it ("disappointing" -- he could have said, "I have no comment").  Still, I don't think it's because Blair decided to appease "Ford's friends and allies [who've] decided that he must go."  I think it was Blair giving information that was central to the existence of the ITO that the press were viewing.

terrytowel

Again Lisi through his lawyer can release the video. So the media needs to ask Ford "Why not ask Lisi to release the video". He is the only one who can now at this point.

 

 

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