Rob Ford: The Mirror...er...Cracked...

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mark_alfred

Hilarious.

Apparently there's going to be an initiative to remove the mayor's powers to appoint committee chairs and choose the members of the Executive Committee.  It will be interesting to see how that pans out.

NDPP

The Real Issues With Ford

http://toronto.mediacoop.ca/fr/story/real-issues-ford/19713

"Cuts, murders and why hasn't the Mayor been charged?"

cco

The redacted Lisi stuff is being released to the media, as well.

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felixr
shartal@rogers.com

Prostitues?

terrytowel

Today he has already admitted that he has bought illegal drugs in the last two years. And now new documents suggest that he pops oxycodone pills, and has asked staff to make regular trips to the LCBO for him. On city time!

janfromthebruce

shartal@rogers.com wrote:
Prostitues?
sex workers

mark_alfred

Friday's council meeting should also be interesting.  This motion for Friday seems to have some teeth.

mark_alfred

Some "respect for taxpayers".  Ford's allegedly just slurping up public gravy for himself:

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Petty errands for staff

Police say they were told by Fickel that he was regularly called upon last minute to change lightbulbs at the mayor's home, or replace the batteries in his kids' toys. He is cited in the police report describing several duties, including buying cigarettes, bleach, laundry detergent and Diet Coke for the mayor's wife. (Page 110)

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Sineed

New poll finds that Ford would be defeated by Karen Stintz, Olivia Chow, and John Tory:

http://www.newstalk1010.com/news/2013/11/14/new-poll-rob-ford-would-lose...

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In four different scenarios and against various candidates, Rob Ford is bested by Karen Stintz, Olivia Chow and John Tory. 

Scenario 1: Karen Stintz beats Rob Ford in a three-way race...Stintz garnered 52 percent support, while Ford received 33 percent and Socknacki got only 14 percent. 

Scenario 2: NEWSTALK 1010's John Tory bests Karen Stintz, Rob Ford and David Soknacki. 

Tory received 41 percent of the vote, then Karen Stintz followed with 30 percent, while Rob Ford received 22 percent and David Soknacki had 7 percent. 

Scenario 3: Olivia Chow would beat Rob Ford....Olivia Chow easily beats Rob Ford with 44 percent support. Rob Ford had 28 percent, then Karen Stintz at 22 percent and David Soknacki at 7 percent. 

Scenario 4: Olivia Chow and John Tory would be in a tight race. 

Olivia Chow edges out John Tory with 36 percent support, while Tory received 28 percent of the vote. Rob Ford got 20 percent support, Karen Stintz received 13 percent support and David Soknacki had 3 percent. 

The Ipsos Reid poll was conducted between November 8-12 for NEWSTALK 1010.

Particularly humbling for David Soknacki.

As I type this, deputy mayor Norm Kelly is being interviewed by Matt Galloway.

Matt Galloway: Do you think the mayor still has the moral authority to lead this city?

Norm Kelly: (long pause, heavy sigh) Well...........

terrytowel

Child services needs to be called to get Ford's kids out of that environment.

Then maybe, just maybe Ford will get help if the Judge orders him to, for the sake of those kids.

Tim Powers was on Power & Politics yesterday, and he said he was told by former Ford staffer that his addiction problem has been going on for many many years, and even back then he was urged to get help.

 

mark_alfred

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Scenario 4: Olivia Chow and John Tory would be in a tight race. 

Olivia Chow edges out John Tory with 36 percent support, while Tory received 28 percent of the vote. Rob Ford got 20 percent support, Karen Stintz received 13 percent support and David Soknacki had 3 percent. 

The Ipsos Reid poll was conducted between November 8-12 for NEWSTALK 1010.

The problem with that poll is that it doesn't take into account what would happen if Ford is not in the race.  Would Ford's support be more likely to go to Tory or to Chow? 

mark_alfred

He's isolated and hanging on by a (desperate) thread now.  I doubt he'll be in the game a year from now.

cco

Can you be sued for making statements in a police interview which are later released by a judge? Someone who's had more law school than I have will have to clarify this.

terrytowel

Considering Ford emphatically says he name will be on the ballot (and these past weeks have shown us how stubborn he is), no poll should be done without Ford in the poll.

Come hell or high water (or arrest), his name is going to be on the ballot come 2014

BREAKING

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford says he will launch lawsuits against former staffers who alleged a litany of misbehaviour to police.

“It’s unfortunate I have to take legal action,” he said as he arrived at City Hall Thursday morning. “Those are outright lies, not true.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/mayor-rob-ford-vows-legal-ac...

I doubt he will go through this lawsuit. Because if he does, this is civil matter and depositions will have to be taken. Which means Ford will be forced to answer questions (under oath) about all his drug and alcohol use, on and off city time.

cco

Shamelessly cross-posted from the Trek thread: Robyn Doolittle says councillors are turning their backs on Ford as he speaks. I believe we have footage from the floor.

brian1966

This is just going into the crapper very fast.

Time for Ford to step away.

http://looniepolitics.com/mayor-fords-race-bottom/

felixr

Canadian Press wrote:

Mayor Rob Ford denies reports that he made lewd comments to a female staffer last year.

Speaking at city hall this morning as TV cameras broadcast live, Ford used coarse language to say he never told the woman he wanted to have oral sex with her.

The mayor says he's "happily married" and has "more than enough to eat at home."

Gross.

Junkyard Dog

I doubt he will go through this lawsuit. Because if he does, this is civil matter and depositions will have to be taken. Which means Ford will be forced to answer questions (under oath) about all his drug and alcohol use, on and off city time.

Ford strikes me as exactly the sort of person who'd lie under oath. And consider himself quite justified in doing so. ("Rule of law? Whuzzat? Buuurp!")

Not that I think it'll come to that. This is just the usual bluster and defiance we get from him whenever an obstacle presents itself.

mark_alfred

Thanks felixr for pointing out Ford's interview.  Here's a CBC article with a video of it.  Here's a transcript.  Note that he did not address questions of whether the allegations of DUI were true or not.

shartal@rogers.com

I doubt any legal action would have traction because he has no cause of action.

cco

Meanwhile the CBC is doing more handwringing over the word "pussy" than they did over his 50-plus "fuck"s aired the other morning. What is this, Alabama?

mark_alfred

If Ford's politics were left rather than right, I wonder what I'd think?  IE, what if there was "Left-Ford" rather than Ford?  For instance, let's replace his slogans with left equivalentsrespect for taxpayers/respect from government; end the gravy train/end the service-fee swirl; stop the war on cars/stop the war on transit.  So, Left-Ford starts bellowing about how government does not respect people, charging fees for it's services, saying that he'll personally cut all recreation centre fees, library late charges, transit fees (including fares), etc, while claiming taxes won't be increased due to savings realised from a more sensible LRT rather than subways plan (the parallel being that Ford claimed services would not be cut to implement his no taxes promise, when in fact Ford did cut services).  Left-Ford wins.  And begins to implement these changes, but does increase taxes to do it.  People don't really care, however.  They like having more accessible public services -- free transit is something they can see NOW.  But then he's found to be smoking crack.  He is found to be a wild partier with some racist and sexist overtones (though he has no problem employing and working with either women or visible minorities, but perhaps has been abusive to and misused staff, regardless of race or sex).  He's lost the respect of council, and former allies have dropped their support for him due to his behavioural excesses.  It's questionable how much any of the changes had anything to do with him, but his presence seemed to have emboldened actual decision makers to make the changes (which I approved).  So, the question I have for myself is what would I, as a member of Left-Ford Nation, think of the current situation? 

cco

How do you feel about Bob Filner?

voice of the damned

mark:

I rememeber when Marion Barry made his mayoral comeback after doing the jail term for crack, I read an article by some journalist in a centre-right American political magazine. The guy, a DC resident, started by saying he didn't like Barry, but went on to describe seeing him "work the room" at a public forum for constituents. He said that Barry was responsive to concerns raised by participants, and quite knowledgable about the relevant issues, even down to the very local level. The gist of the piece was: "Okay, Barry's a crackhead who has disgraced himself and his city, but it's not totally illogical that he would maintain a lot of support from the public."

Barry, prior to his late-in-life conversion to the anti-marriage equality bandwagon, being probably the closest thing I could think of to your hypothetical "Left Ford".    

 

felixr

Sun "News" Network wrote:
"Following the cancellation of their top-rated radio show, we approached the Fords about hosting a show on our network," said Kory Teneycke, Sun News Network vice-president. "We are delighted to announce they have agreed." ...snip...

"From day one the mayor's enemies, the left and red Tories, were going after his conservatism," said [Sun News Network personality] Menzies. "That didn't work so now they are going after this private life.

"There is such a double standard. How come he is the only one with issues being hounded? The one thing one Ford Nation supporters say to me is ... 'Rob has personal demons that are difficult to defend' but unlike some of the gangsters at Queens Park, he doesn't have his hands in our wallet," added Menzies.

...snip...

"We are in the age of reality TV and it doesn't get more real than the Fords," said Teneycke.

The reality starts Monday on Sun News Network.

I can't believe this stuff. This is really the depths of depravity.

felixr

That and Sun News is prominently featuring a segment on "Liberal leniancy {sic} lunacy" on their front page, talking about how Trudeau is too soft on crime. How do people that can barely think, let alone spell, learn how to operate a TV station?

bekayne

mark_alfred wrote:

Thanks felixr for pointing out Ford's interview.  Here's a CBC article with a video of it.  Here's a transcript.  Note that he did not address questions of whether the allegations of DUI were true or not.

Ford made the contentious remarks while wearing a Toronto Argonauts jersey, which prompted a rebuke from the CFL team. 

"These latest remarks, while wearing our team's jersey, are particularly disappointing given our organization's work in the community to help youth deal with issues of bullying prevention," the team said in a statement. The mayor is well known for his love of football.

mark_alfred

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Scenario 4: Olivia Chow and John Tory would be in a tight race. 

Olivia Chow edges out John Tory with 36 percent support, while Tory received 28 percent of the vote. Rob Ford got 20 percent support, Karen Stintz received 13 percent support and David Soknacki had 3 percent. 

The Ipsos Reid poll was conducted between November 8-12 for NEWSTALK 1010.

I was just listening to AM640, and the DJ was grilling Ford supporters on air.  Conservatives want him gone.  Partially because he's not up to the job.  But I think also (largely) because he'd no longer be able to win, and he'd take votes away from any other right winger who may run, allowing Chow to win. 

ETA:  Just noticed felixr's post.  Hmm.  Perhaps I'm wrong in what I stated above.  I don't really know.

josh

felixr wrote:

Canadian Press wrote:

Mayor Rob Ford denies reports that he made lewd comments to a female staffer last year.

Speaking at city hall this morning as TV cameras broadcast live, Ford used coarse language to say he never told the woman he wanted to have oral sex with her.

The mayor says he's "happily married" and has "more than enough to eat at home."

Gross.

 

 

Clearly, he does have an eating disorder.

mark_alfred

Apparently Kathleen Wynne is going to be speaking at 2:30 PM today about the Ford issue.

Unionist

mark_alfred wrote:

Apparently Kathleen Wynne is going to be speaking at 2:30 PM today about the Ford issue.

Then Ford will be apologizing for something at 2:35 PM.

 

josh

mark_alfred wrote:

Apparently Kathleen Wynne is going to be speaking at 2:30 PM today about the Ford issue.

Ah . . . . No, never mind.

mark_alfred

I dunno. 

ETS (edited to subtract)

Unionist

Oh I must say, Wynne spoke well. I especially liked the appeal to non-partisan cooperation and unanimity.

 

mark_alfred

Wynne doesn't want to deal with the hot potato of Ford.  Toronto elected him, so Toronto should deal with him.  Makes sense.

terrytowel

When is child services going to go in there and take those out of that environment?

mark_alfred

Wynne:  Intervention if necessary (and unanimous), but not necessarily intervention.

I'm currently listening to AM640.  Interesting how AM640 has turned Wynne's "I don't wanna deal with this hot potato" statement into a question of "what do you think of Wynne saying she'll intervene if asked?" 

cco

If the system works anything like it does in the US, one parent admitting to drug and alcohol use wouldn't suffice unless there's evidence that the children aren't being clothed or fed or are being abused, which no one has so far suggested.

terrytowel

Yeah but Ford took his kids to the Morrison Ball, and a junior staffer had to take the kids to McDonalds because Ford was drunk out of his mind.

He has already admitted to drinking WHILE driving. Isn't that enough to take these kids out of the Ford household.

Is the CAS dropping the ball on this?

He has admitted to drinking while driving (who knows if he did so with the kids in the backseat), he has admitted to using crack and pot, he has admitted to buying drugs, he has admitted to over indulging in booze.

What more does CAS need? Where is CAS to take those kids out of that house?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

I want to reiterate what mersh said upthread:

mersh wrote:
Still, CBC has published a statement from Mohamed Farah, which provides so much more context and critique than their own 60 minutes of sensationalism:

"My intention for coming out and telling my story is to shed light on the hypocrisy of a system that punishes the vulnerable for minor misdemeanors while the rich and powerful are protected by the same laws for crimes that are much more egregious."

That statement from Farah is by far the best thing I've read about this whole disaster, mostly because it says next to nothing about Ford and plenty about how society allows people like Ford (and has in fact structured itself to allow people like Ford) to flourish -- hypocritically at the expense of people like Farah and those he strives to protect and help.

I agree with Unionist that rabble has published some very thoughtful pieces on Ford (although I'm biased, obv).

mark_alfred

Regarding Wynne's statement, wherein she sets the condition of unanimity at Queens Park before the province will intervene -- it seems that unanimity won't be coming.  The Ontario NDP, according to Global news, has rejected supporting any such provincial interference in the affairs of Toronto City Council.

ETA:  I heard that on TV, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere else.

Sineed

mark_alfred wrote:

The Ontario NDP, according to Global news, has rejected supporting any such provincial interference in the affairs of Toronto City Council.

ETA:  I heard that on TV, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere else.

Thanks for this, Mark. I didn't know the NDP had an official position. I wrote a letter today to NDP MPP Cheri DiNovo, my MPP. She replied within 2 hours. Here's my letter:

Sineed wrote:
I urge your party to work in collaboration with the Wynn government and the conservatives to get rid of this mayor. If all three parties work together in a non-partisan way for the good of the city and respect for rule of law, it will help minimize the inevitable accusations of hijacking democracy from the bullies, thugs and liars who are taking advantage of our better nature.

The Ford family is holding this city hostage and turning us into an international embarrassment.

Cheri DiNovo's reply:

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Hi Sineed,

Thank you for your concern. There is no provincial mechanism to remove a Mayor nor, I believe, would we want one. It would be interference in another democratic, duly elected, level of government.

A majority of Torontonians voted Rob Ford into office and in less than a year we will have the opportunity to remove him. Unless criminal charges and a conviction intervene that is the democratic solution. 

I have called for his resignation and urged him to get help for his addiction issues as have other politicians. 

Clearly he's not listening. We also must remember that he maintains a great deal of voter support. That is what needs to change.

Thank you for being part of that change.
Cheri

It's a reasonable point of view.

Another interesting thing I heard today: I was chatting with a former head of my union local (I'm in OPSEU), and he mentioned that leaders of the CUPE inside and outside workers are reopening those cases where workers have been dismissed for drinking on the job during the current mayor's administration.

mark_alfred

And thank you Sineed.  I was beginning to think I had just imagined hearing it when watching the news.  It makes sense, given the NDP's relatively stricter (than the other parties) view on the importance of proper electoral procedure.  Toronto (which I'm also from) elected him, so Toronto should deal with him.  Council has power it can use itself, which tomorrow they'll begin to use with a motion to curtail some powers of the mayor (powers given by council itself) and then on Monday to limit his budget. 

Anyway, the electorate should not be bailed out.  If the city votes for someone who as a councillor was a belligerent oaf with a history of drunken explosive behaviour, then don't be surprised when those same characteristics emerge when that person becomes mayor.  Vote smarter next time.

Glad to hear you're in OPSEU.  I used to be.  Great union.  One of the few forces that stood firm against Harris.  Much to be proud of.

lagatta

One of the funnies is the Ford Motor Co. crying foul about Rob and Doug supporters donning "Ford Nation" t-shirts and other regalia with the Ford Co. logo. People must not remember that the thin Ford was even worse than the portly one. He was a Nazi symp, who penned the articles dripping with hate in the Dearborn Independent and his infamous tome, the "International" (or "Eternal") Jew". And behind racist hiring restrictions at Ford Hospital, and residency or even presence restrictions in Grosse Pointe (posh Detroit suburb) Michigan. Black people, even domestics, had to leave before sundown... Racist, Nazi scum.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

And the media never reminds us that Anthony Smith, who Ford posed with at 15 Windsor, when shot, had his cellphone stolen and there's a number of other young men close to this case who have also been killed or injured.

mark_alfred

Despite what I heard on the Global news broadcast earlier, and despite the opinions expressed by Cheri DiNovo (that Sineed shared), I don't think the ONDP have released an official position.  What Global said has not been repeated anywhere else, including on CBC tonight.  So, I think the Global journalist made an error.

mark_alfred

I just read this on the Sun's website regarding the upcoming motions tomorrow and on Monday:

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Monday’s move will also include reallocating the operating budget of the mayor’s office.

If approved, Ford would be given staff and office budgets identical to any councillor while the rest of the mayor’s office budget would be reallocated to the clerk’s office to be administered with oversight from the deputy mayor.

Council would authorize all existing members of the mayor’s staff to be offered a chance to keep working for the mayor or be part of a transfer of staff to the deputy mayor. Kelly would assume responsibility for hiring and firing.

That last sentence is especially significant.  It would be interesting to see how many of his staff transfer. Ford could lose all of his staff.

ETA:  Here's a copy of tomorrow's motion.

jerrym

The Toronto Argonauts have complained about his wearing their sweater and disinvited him to the CFL Eastern Final on Sunday; the Santa Claus parade has made it clear it does not want him at their parade; and the Toronto School Board has announced it will not have any trips to City Hall because of his actions.

Perhaps councillors should follow their lead and tell him he is not wanted at city council. 

mark_alfred

Well, today's motions passed, transfering Ford's powers in cases of an emergency to the deputy mayor, and removing his right to hire and fire committee members (at least, I think these were the motions.)  On Monday there will be a motion on whether to cut his budget down to the size of a regular councillor, and transfer most of his staff to the deputy mayor.  Interesting times.

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