Socialist Party of Ontario Founding Convention

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Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

trippie wrote:

Staurt, who cares what happens to all the other laft parties and how they place?  Oops sorry, better not field a candidate that might make people think voting for theNDP is awast of their time.

May we assume that "laft parties" was an intentional Freudian slip on your part?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Will the SPO be taking any position on the snap federal election?  I realize your focus is Ontario provoncial politics, but those of you who are putting this new party together must have discussed the federal situation as well.

trippie

@ Ken

 

If I have a Freudian slip, does that mean I'm a cross dresser?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

no...you're only a "cross dresser" if you're a priest or nun.

trippie

You mean like a priest in a nuns uniform? I realise those people have some issues but this is getting out of hand. Have they no shame? What does Jesus or is that the father or wait, the holy ghost have to say about this?

Mike Stirner

You guize should really look into mutualism as a political and economic intermediary to your end goals, socialism is a fairly broken term at this point and it has never really sold in the anglo-cultural based parts of the world.

Take a libertarian leftist approach not a socialist one(the former at least retains the latter but puts it in its place) Look up people like kevin carson and other similar left libertarians on the net and you'll have a working practical program in no time as opposed to the same ol same ol rhetoric.

Michael Laxer Michael Laxer's picture

@Ken...we will be discussing the federal election at the Constitutional Meeting on April 10th...there is no official position per se as yet, but I personally will be voting for my local NDP candidate (as I have every election in my life) and supporting Jack Layton. There is no other option on the democratic left (and I personally regard the Greens as right-wing on economic issues, so...)

 But that is entirely a personal position.

Michael Laxer Michael Laxer's picture

double post sorry!

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Thanks for the response. 

trippie

the NDP is not a left party, they are a center party at best.... if you can't distinguish that yet then I have little hope for your new party and will now dicide not to bother with it.

 

Oh well, next....

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Vanguardist parties aren't left parties, for that matter.  It isn't "left"  to use dictatorial methods to run a party(like "democratic centralism").

To be truly "left", a party has to stand for the democratization of all aspect of shared life.

Michael Laxer Michael Laxer's picture

Well trippie...that is rather flippant. I said I personally would be supporting my local NDP candidate. The party is not "my" party. If that is your basis for disavowing a party that has not even had its founding convention yet...well what can I say?

Ken, I think the NDP has become a vanguardist party. http://www.opendemocracy.net/neal-lawson/social-democracy-in-crisis-worl...

Michael Laxer Michael Laxer's picture

Update:

Socialist Party of Ontario*
Founding/Organizing Convention
Bond Place Hotel
65 Dundas St. E, Toronto
Saturday May 28th
...
Sisters and Brothers;

Ontario needs a new politcal alternative to stand up against the false neo-liberal "consensus" of our mainstream political parties and the hopelessness that so many feel when faced by a political system that offers them no meaningful choices.

It needs a political movement that won't tell you that it will manage state-capitalism better or that it will implement a "fairer" austerity. Rather, a political movement that will challenge the very basis of the social order that made these false choices "necessary" at all.

A vibrant and democratic alternative that respects its membership and practices democracy internally. That allows its membership to determine what its stands for at election time, and not spin doctors or pollsters. That gives activists, social movements, and everyone who wishes to participate an electoral voice of their own making to stand up against our culture of cynicism and disillusionment.

On May 28th let us all join together in building this alternative!

On the Agenda:
Capitalism in Crisis: Why we need a Democratic Socialist Party
How we organize ourselves: A democratic constitution for a Socialist Party and what do we call ourselves? * Name to be decided by YOU!
Standing up for Solidarity & Socialism: Creating an election platform that offers a real alternative!
From picket lines and the streets to the ballot box: Building a new political movement
A Party of the People: Why a new party structure is needed with a "leadership" and executive fully accountable to its membership.
Speakers and Friday Social TBA
Membership is open to all and is pay-what-you can (suggested annual donation $25)
All members have full voting rights and the right to stand for party office.
Membership is available at the door, or in advance by emailing info@gingerproject.org or contacting us on Facebook.
Observers/Non Members: $35 (Observer & Non-Member Spaces may be limited by space concerns)
EVERYONE IS WELCOME!

We encourage all those opposed to neo-liberalism, racism, sexism, homophobia and who support an egalitarian society, based on principles of justice and fairness to attend.
All leftists are welcome and anyone can present a motion. Every motion presented on the floor will be voted on by the membership and every motion passed will be party policy. We will NOT ignore our membership! Even our name itself will be decided at the convention.
If you wish to become a member, wish to attend the convention or for further information please email us at info@gingerproject.org or contact us on Facebook.
Want to participate but cannot attend?
Contact us about forming a local association, a school club, becoming a member, or proposing motions in absentia.

It's never too late to write the future!

paiger

you should definitely think about posting this as a poster in the york political science dept- i know plenty of people who would love to check it out. I personally think starting up a new party is a great idea. the NDP really doesn't seem to be representative at all of any kind of leftist. Or youth. However, earlier someone mentioned using electorial reform as platform but I am not sure that is the right way to go. I'm thinking that most Canadians, though they would benefit from it, care not about electorial reform. If they won't come out to vote at all, why would they vote about voting?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Michael Laxer wrote:

Well trippie...that is rather flippant. I said I personally would be supporting my local NDP candidate. The party is not "my" party. If that is your basis for disavowing a party that has not even had its founding convention yet...well what can I say?

Ken, I think the NDP has become a vanguardist party. http://www.opendemocracy.net/neal-lawson/social-democracy-in-crisis-worl...

Michael, with trippie it's always about the idea that trippie, and ONLY trippie, is pure enough to lead the revo.  Everything and everyone else(including the Egyptians who spent weeks risking violent death to overthrow Mubarak)is terminally bourgeois and intrinsically unworthy.

He's his own vanguard and no one else need apply.  Not sure how he's going to do it all by himself, but evidently he is.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Michael Laxer wrote:

Ken, I think the NDP has become a vanguardist party.

A "vanguardist" party is one that sees itself as leading masses of people in a revolutionary direction. The NDP is the exact opposite: a party that sees itself as tail-ending popular struggles and seeking to contain them within the framework of capitalist parliamentarism. 

Overtaxed Overtaxed's picture

The NDP are the Socialist party, we don't need another one...lol

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Lol! Good one, OT. Those NDPers are a bunch of socialists. I for one don't want my country to be led by a government filled with socialists! (Or separatists, but that's another matter, as you know). Do you think that's a possibility? Like maybe in a coalition? If I know one thing, it's that you can't trust a LIEberal. Am I right?

Just kidding. It's a trick question. Because you're banned.

Lefauve

Good luck friend!

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Catchfire wrote:

Just kidding. It's a trick question. Because you're banned.

This troll was supposedly banned [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/argentina-gives-... two months ago[/url].

How do I know that? Because I can still access his profile page with the list of all the threads he's trolled. And if I can still do that, it must mean he's still not really banned.

Caissa

It was a typo M. Spector. Catchfire meant he was "band".

notaradical

Michael, don't forget to speak to Ontario's youth. We are heinously underrepresented in all aspects of governance despite our tenacity. It only needs to be channeled. Across the world, we have seen what young people are capable of when backed into a corner. The scenario is different in this country, what with our addiction to instant gratification and corporate media, but this party has the opportunity to make real inroads with young Canadians. Addressing issues of post-secondary tuition and the epidemic of youth unemployment would be a start.

Rest assured I'll be at the first Executive Members' meeting to determine what this party has to offer young people, and if possible, what role we can play in righting the course of this increasingly straying ship we call Canadian politics.

Uncle John

Question for Mr. Laxer:

Is this in any way associated with the Socialist Party of Canada?

genstrike

This doesn't sound like it's affiliated with the Socialist Party of Canada (or what's left of it) at all.

Uncle John

The Socialist Party of Canada maintains a listing on the world socialist website: http://www.worldsocialism.org/canada/ but does not appear on the list of registered political parties on the elections canada website...

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

That's because they don't run in elections.

genstrike

M. Spector wrote:

That's because they don't run in elections.

Although, they used to run in elections.  I believe they had 4 MLAs in BC and one or two in Alberta in the early 1900s.  And, they don't seem to have objections to running in elections, it's just that impossibilism is such a marginal political force that they haven't been able to get their shit together enough to run someone in a long time.

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