Sudbury By-Election, 2015

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ajaykumar

nicky wrote:

Neither Mulcair, Boivin or Mourani were bribed with promises of cabinet posts.

. NDP giving cabinet posts... where can that happen? Although Mulcair tried to get one as per John Ivison (who is pro-CPC,but nevertheless). Heres the link.http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/03/01/john-ivison-mulcair-asked...

terrytowel

janfromthebruce wrote:

I find it funny that Liberals in providing an excuse for not showing up to debates, use the cover of conservatives. Meanwhile, they complain so loudly when Harper did it. So Liberals are monkey see, monkey do. That's why we call Liberals Liberalcons!

I don't recall provincial Liberal MPP complaining about Harper's federal MP not going to all candidates debates during a federal election.

janfromthebruce

Talking about Liberals on social media and federally who happen to be prominent known Liberals in Ontario. They bellyached in 2011 about Cons not attending debates. Empy barrels make the most noise!

Debater

janfromthebruce wrote:

I find it funny that Liberals in providing an excuse for not showing up to debates, use the cover of conservatives. Meanwhile, they complain so loudly when Harper did it. So Liberals are monkey see, monkey do. That's why we call Liberals Liberalcons!

Candidates of all parties miss debates, including NDPers.  A lot of NDPers didn't even bother to campaign in the 2011 Election, and some were even on vacation!

Anyway, there was an official candidates debate in Sudbury tonight carried by CBC and it looks like Glenn Thibeault was there (who don't forget was an NDPer until a month ago).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/sudbury-byelection-candidates-face...

janfromthebruce

And by the tweet feed at CBC, he got booed and drowned out when responding with his excuses. The focus seemed to be his disfection, and the bribery. Getting booed is not good TV

janfromthebruce

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/sudbury-byelection-candidates-face-off-in-cbc-debate-1.2926868

Climate change, bear hunting and the minimum wage were all discussed, but the CBC Sudbury byelection candidates debate focused on the defection of Glenn Thibeault to the Liberal party.

Thibeault faced pointed questions from his opponents and his answers were drowned out by booing from the crowd at times.

terrytowel

janfromthebruce wrote:

Talking about Liberals on social media and federally who happen to be prominent known Liberals in Ontario. They bellyached in 2011 about Cons not attending debates. Empy barrels make the most noise!

Can you proivide a link from social media where a provincial Liberal critised a Federal Tory candidate for not attending an all candidates debate?

NorthReport

When a candidate runs from debates or refuses to face the media you know he/she is in trouble. Eventually either the press or the voters will get him/her.

nicky
terrytowel

NorthReport wrote:

When a candidate runs from debates or refuses to face the media you know he/she is in trouble. Eventually either the press or the voters will get him/her.

Then what about the Conservative candidates that didn't go to the debates, and wound up winning their ridings?

janfromthebruce

I love it when Liberals act like Tories and rationalize poor democratic participation by saying, well the guy did it too! Keep digging

Debater

Liberals are not acting like Tories.

And I notice you glossed over the fact that the NDP has a history of running candidates who don't attend debates or even campaign during elections.  We all saw that during the 2011 Federal Election.  NDP candidates were assigned to ridings they had no connection to, and some of them even went on vacation instead of campaigning.

Aristotleded24

Debater wrote:
And I notice you glossed over the fact that the NDP has a history of running candidates who don't attend debates or even campaign during elections.  We all saw that during the 2011 Federal Election.  NDP candidates were assigned to ridings they had no connection to, and some of them even went on vacation instead of campaigning.

You have been around politics to know better. In areas where a party doesn't have strong support, sometimes it is very hard to find candidates, for example when the Liberals had to take out an ad asking somebody to run in Red Deer, or the Quebec example where the NDP had no prior history and they were happy to have anybody. So parties put in "names on ballot" all the time. Usually they come nowhere close to winning so it's not really an issue, however occaisionally there are major changes, like what we saw in Quebec, and suddenly the "no hope candidate" is in serious contention to win.

That is a much different scenario that Thibeault finds himself in regarding Sudbury, or for that matter the orchestrated campaign that the Conservatives run to keep their candidates away from public forums and public scrutiny.

NorthReport

So it seems that Thibault's defection will be the ballot box issue.

Good.

NorthReport

Must be good news here for the NDP if it is a Liberal ...er a Forum poll  

It appears that the Liberals only hope to stop the NDP is to support Oliver.  Laughing

Independent candidate becoming a ‘wild card’ in Sudbury byelection

New polls shows spurned Liberal candidate Andrew Olivier surging in Sudbury byelection but Liberals and NDP still neck-and-neck.

The plot is thickening in the dramatic Sudbury byelection, with the Liberals and NDP neck-and-neck but bleeding support to a surging independent candidate rejected by Premier Kathleen Wynne, a new poll suggests.

Support for businessman Andrew Olivier — who came within 1,000 votes of winning the riding for Wynne last June — has skyrocketed to as high as 22 per cent this week from just one per cent last week, according to the survey from Forum Research.

That makes Olivier, who is a quadriplegic, a “wild card” in the Feb. 5 vote, Forum president Lorne Bozinoff said Thursday.

The main factor in the surge appears to be Olivier’s release last week of audio tapes that he says prove his claim that Wynne’s deputy chief of staff and a local Liberal fundraiser offered him a post of some sort as a reward for stepping aside.

Wynne’s preferred choice was Sudbury New Democrat MP Glenn Thibeault, who was lured to the Liberal fold and quit his job in Parliament to be the premier’s hand-picked candidate to reclaim the riding from the NDP.

Ontario Provincial Police are examining the tapes, transcripts and other evidence as they decide whether to open a full criminal investigation. Elections Ontario has also launched a probe of what opposition parties dub a bribery scandal.

“When someone says they’ve got tapes, that’s a lot of smoke,” said Bozinoff. “There could be something to it so it’s a big unknown now. The Liberals have taken a hit.”

Wynne maintains no jobs were offered to Olivier, just “opportunities” for continued involvement in the party — which opposition parties say is spin.

New Democrat House leader Gilles Bisson called on Wynne “to ensure if any charges are laid . . . the Liberals will guarantee an independent, out-of-province prosecutor.”

Thibeault is at 33 per cent in the poll, down from 40 per cent last week, with NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit at 30 per cent, a drop from 42 per cent.

The poll contacted 689 randomly selected Sudbury residents by telephone using interactive voice response on Wednesday. Forum said results are considered accurate within plus or minus four percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

“This is really close,” said Bozinoff. The two question marks are the NDP’s ground game and what happens with this police investigation.”

The winner will be the campaign with the best “ground game” or get-out-the-vote effort — something not reflected in polls, he added.

The Liberals have been pouring resources into their campaign, with Wynne visiting Sudbury at least three times and headed up again Friday. A number of cabinet ministers have also made stops — as have NDP Leader Andrea Horwath and several of her MPPs in an effort to bolster Shawbonquit.

Nominations for the byelection closed Thursday, with 10 candidates running. Progressive Conservative Paula Peroni is in fourth place in the Forum poll with 11 per cent support trailed by the Green Party’s David Robinson at holding steady at 3 per cent.

 

 


http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/01/23/independent-candidate-...

NorthReport

MPP wants report on allegations made public

Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:31:04 EST PM

Gilles Bisson, MPP of Timmins-James Bay, holds a press conference outside the Sudbury Court House on Thursday. JOHN LAPPA/THE SUDBURY STAR/QMI AGENCY

Gilles Bisson, MPP of Timmins-James Bay, holds a press conference outside the Sudbury Court House on Thursday.

Gilles Bisson is seeking an assurance from Premier Kathleen Wynne that if complaints he filed about her and two other Liberals are prosecuted under the Elections Act, it will be done by an independent prosecutor.

That isn't going to happen.

The Timmins-James Bay New Democrat MPP spoke to reporters Thursday in front of the Sudbury Courthouse, calling on Wynne to make public any report on his complaints, and to allow a third party to prosecute any charges that may arise from it.

Madeleine Meilleur, the MPP for Ottawa-Vanier, was appointed attorney general by Wynne.

There's something "inherently wrong when you're asking the people being investigated to receive a report and to decide if there's actually going to be a prosecution," said Bisson.

He filed a complaint to Elections Ontario's chief electoral officer in mid-December after former Sudbury Liberal candidate Andrew Olivier said he was offered inducements by the Liberals not to seek the nomination in a provincial byelection.

Olivier said he was offered a job or appointment in exchange for stepping aside so former Sudbury New Democrat MP Glenn Thibeault could be appointed the Liberal flag-bearer in a byelection.

Bisson, the NDP's house leader, immediately wrote chief electoral officer Greg Essensa, charging the Liberals had tried to bribe Olivier so he would go along with the plan to appoint Thibeault.

Bisson filed the complaint under a section of the Ontario Elections Act that states no person shall, directly or indirectly, "give, procure or promise or agree to procure an office or employment to induce a person to become a candidate, refrain from becoming a candidate or withdraw his or her candidacy."

"We have what's essentially an attempted fraud on the electoral system," said Bisson of telephone conversations Olivier had with Wynne and deputy chief of staff Pat Sorbara, and a face-to-face meeting with Sudbury Liberal Gerry Lougheed Jr.

"The electoral system and the act is quite clear. It says you're not allowed to offer somebody a job as a way to run or not to run for office," Bisson said in front of the courthouse.

Olivier released recordings last week of conversations with Lougheed and Sorbara. Bisson said it's clear after listening to them that the two "Liberal operatives" made

"some pretty direct offers in regards to what it would take for Mr. Olivier not to run."

Wynne, Lougheed and Sorbara have all categorically stated they did nothing wrong when they spoke with Olivier, but were asking him to remain active in the Libearl Party if Thibeault were appointed.

Elections Ontario is investigating Bisson's complaint and officials interviewed him last week about it. Elections Ontario officials also spoke with Leeds-Grenville Progressive Conservative MPP Steve Clark, who requested Ontario Provincial Police look into Olivier's allegations to see if there was anything criminal about them.

The OPP investigated and determined there was no criminality, but reopened the case after Olivier released the recordings.

Bisson is concerned about what will happen with any report the chief electoral officer compiles. It would be sent to the attorney general, who would decide if the matter should be prosecuted. Meilleur would appoint the person to prosecute charges, which are provincial offences, under the Elections Act.

The Timmins-James Bay MPP is challenging Wynne to agree that if a report recommends charges, she will appoint an arm's-length prosecutor "who's able to investigate this who doesn't have a bias."

He also wants any report to be sent to him and be accessible to the public.

"It's pretty clear," said Bisson. "You can't put the chicken in charge of the henhouse."

Wynne's press secretary Zita Astravas called Bisson's actions "desperate games from the NDP in the middle of a byelection.

If the chief electoral officer concludes there has been an apparent contravention of the Elections Act, the complaint would be referred to non-partisan officials in the Ministry of the Attorney General, said Astravas.

 

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/22/mpp-wants-report-on-allegations...

NorthReport

Thanks Thibault. Thanks Wynne.

Sudbury nursing cuts could be as high as 34: ONA 

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/23/sudbury-nursing-cuts-could-be-a...

NorthReport

I hope all the folks here like josh and ondv that supported Wynne last election are happy now, as many Ontario citizens are not. Frown

Protesters dog Grit get-together in Sudbur

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/23/protesters-dog-grit-get-togethe...

NorthReport

Sudbury letter: He won't vote for Thibeault 

Friday, January 23, 2015 12:35:30 EST AM

Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne introduces Glenn Thibeault as the Sudbury Liberal candidate in the Feb. 5 byelection in this file photo. Gino Donato/The Sudbury Star/QMI Agency

Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne introduces Glenn Thibeault as the Sudbury Liberal candidate in the Feb. 5 byelection in this file photo. Gino Donato/The Sudbury Star/QMI Agency

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Glenn Thibeault resigned as a federal NDP to run for the provincial Liberals. Why didn't Thibeault resign as the federal NDP and run for the provincial NDP?

Obviously, Thibeault was offered a cabinet post if he won as the provincial Liberal member; maybe he could become the Minister of Recycled Products, if there is such a thing or Premier Kathleen Wynne could have created this post; she has been very creative with all the other Liberal scandals.

As a federal MP, Thibeault and the NDP were against whatever the Liberals and or the other parties were proposing as good for Canada or the province. Now, I guess he will be trying to convince all of us that those same supposed lies and misgivings are now the way to go.

My advice to all party supporters, regardless of red, orange or whatever: be careful of the man or woman that represents that party.

I wish Andrew Olivier would not have run as an Independent. I'm not sure how effective he can be as an Independent, but good luck to him anyway. He was probably the most honest Liberal that was available and that may have been his demise.

I'm not voting Thibeault this election just out of principal.

 

Roger Moffatt

Sudbury

 

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/23/sudbury-letter-he-wont-vote-for...

NorthReport

Suzanne Shawbonquit, the NDP candidate in the Sudbury byelection, said Kathleen Wynne’s controversial move to appoint Glenn Thibeault over Andrwew Olivier will still hurt the Liberals in the campaign.

Suzanne Shawbonquit, the NDP candidate in the Sudbury byelection, said Kathleen Wynne’s controversial move to appoint Glenn Thibeault over Andrwew Olivier will still hurt the Liberals in the campaign.
http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/01/12/opp_clears_liberals_of...

NorthReport

Lawyer: On-reserve homeowners often denied financing

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life

 | Dec 10, 2014 - 2:02 PM | 19Suzanne Shawbonquit looks over a brochure for furnaces. She was recently told by several local companies that she doesn't qualify for financing for a new furnace because she lives on the Atikameksheng Anishnawbek First Nation. Photo by Heidi Ulrichsen.

Suzanne Shawbonquit looks over a brochure for furnaces. She was recently told by several local companies that she doesn't qualify for financing for a new furnace because she lives on the Atikameksheng Anishnawbek First Nation. Photo by Heidi Ulrichsen.

 

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2014/12/10-suzanne-shawbonquit...

NorthReport

NDP calls for outside investigator to handle Olivier allegations

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/22-bisson-investigatio...

NorthReport

Thibeault, Olivier spar for first time since scandal broke

By: Darren MacDonald - Sudbury Northern Life

 | Jan 21, 2015 - 11:13 PM | 60Liberal candidate Glenn Thibeault, left, NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit and independent Andrew Olivier share a lighter moment at Wednesday's debate, put on by CBC Sudbury and held at St. Andrew's in downtown Sudbury. Photo by Darren MacDonald.

Liberal candidate Glenn Thibeault, left, NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit and independent Andrew Olivier share a lighter moment at Wednesday's debate, put on by CBC Sudbury and held at St. Andrew's in downtown Sudbury. Photo by Darren MacDonald.

PrintEmailCandidates engage in sometimes fiery debate Wednesday in front of packed house Glenn Thibeault faced attacks on multiple fronts Wednesday as he took part in his first candidates debate in the run up to the Feb. 5 byelection in Sudbury.

In addition to the occasional heckling from the packed hall at St. Andrew's Church, Thibeault faced pointed attacks from NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit and independent Andrew Olivier.
 

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 But it was the exchange with Olivier many people were anticipating since Thibeault defected from the federal NDP in December and was appointed the Liberal candidate in Sudbury. That upset Olivier, who lost by less than 1,000 votes in June and who had already been selling Liberal Party memberships for another run.

Olivier says Liberal Party officials tried to induce him to support Thibeault by offering him a job or an appointment, and released recordings earlier this month of two of those conversations to back his claims. The OPP have said it is investigating whether Ontario's Elections Act has been broken.

At Wednesday's debate, put on by CBC Sudbury, Thibeault faced as many hecklers as supporters as he talked about his decision to become a Liberal.

“When the time came to say yea or nay, I knew there was going to be catcalls after it,” he said. “The one thing that is important for me, is my beliefs are the same. I'm still the same guy. My party has changed.

“In all sincerity, I'm doing this to try and make my city a better place.”

Olivier challenged him on that, asking what decision Thibeault will make if he wins the election and later faces a choice between what's best for Sudbury and what the Liberal brass want him to do.

“What happens when you have to make a choice for the people of Sudbury, or the decision makers?” he said. “I made that choice ... People want someone who will always choose for them.”

“My priority will always the people of Sudbury,” Thibeault replied. “Do you think I would be going through all this and taking the catcalls if it wasn't?”

He said if he was making a cynical decision for personal benefit, he could have crossed the floor in the House of Commons and waited to fight the fall federal election as the sitting MP. By moving to provincial politics, he knew he would have to face judgment from voters right away.

“It's not about changing views, it's about being heard,” Thibeault said.

NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit also took aim, saying she has never crossed anyone to get ahead, or made a backroom deal for her personal benefit. Thibeault broke many hearts when he abandoned the party, she said.

“We were all shocked when you crossed the floor and defected,” Shawbonquit said. “People loved you and adored you, and they believed in you. Sudbury needs better than that.

“You walked away from some wonderful people ... How can we trust you?”

 

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/21-cbc-debate.aspx

janfromthebruce

NorthReport wrote:

Thibeault, Olivier spar for first time since scandal broke

By: Darren MacDonald - Sudbury Northern Life

 | Jan 21, 2015 - 11:13 PM | 60Liberal candidate Glenn Thibeault, left, NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit and independent Andrew Olivier share a lighter moment at Wednesday's debate, put on by CBC Sudbury and held at St. Andrew's in downtown Sudbury. Photo by Darren MacDonald.

Liberal candidate Glenn Thibeault, left, NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit and independent Andrew Olivier share a lighter moment at Wednesday's debate, put on by CBC Sudbury and held at St. Andrew's in downtown Sudbury. Photo by Darren MacDonald.

PrintEmailCandidates engage in sometimes fiery debate Wednesday in front of packed house Glenn Thibeault faced attacks on multiple fronts Wednesday as he took part in his first candidates debate in the run up to the Feb. 5 byelection in Sudbury.

In addition to the occasional heckling from the packed hall at St. Andrew's Church, Thibeault faced pointed attacks from NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit and independent Andrew Olivier.
 

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 But it was the exchange with Olivier many people were anticipating since Thibeault defected from the federal NDP in December and was appointed the Liberal candidate in Sudbury. That upset Olivier, who lost by less than 1,000 votes in June and who had already been selling Liberal Party memberships for another run.

Olivier says Liberal Party officials tried to induce him to support Thibeault by offering him a job or an appointment, and released recordings earlier this month of two of those conversations to back his claims. The OPP have said it is investigating whether Ontario's Elections Act has been broken.

At Wednesday's debate, put on by CBC Sudbury, Thibeault faced as many hecklers as supporters as he talked about his decision to become a Liberal.

“When the time came to say yea or nay, I knew there was going to be catcalls after it,” he said. “The one thing that is important for me, is my beliefs are the same. I'm still the same guy. My party has changed.

“In all sincerity, I'm doing this to try and make my city a better place.”

Olivier challenged him on that, asking what decision Thibeault will make if he wins the election and later faces a choice between what's best for Sudbury and what the Liberal brass want him to do.

“What happens when you have to make a choice for the people of Sudbury, or the decision makers?” he said. “I made that choice ... People want someone who will always choose for them.”

“My priority will always the people of Sudbury,” Thibeault replied. “Do you think I would be going through all this and taking the catcalls if it wasn't?”

He said if he was making a cynical decision for personal benefit, he could have crossed the floor in the House of Commons and waited to fight the fall federal election as the sitting MP. By moving to provincial politics, he knew he would have to face judgment from voters right away.

“It's not about changing views, it's about being heard,” Thibeault said.

NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit also took aim, saying she has never crossed anyone to get ahead, or made a backroom deal for her personal benefit. Thibeault broke many hearts when he abandoned the party, she said.

“We were all shocked when you crossed the floor and defected,” Shawbonquit said. “People loved you and adored you, and they believed in you. Sudbury needs better than that.

“You walked away from some wonderful people ... How can we trust you?”

 

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/21-cbc-debate.aspx

So Glenn reveals he was nothing but a "snake in the grass" in suggesting he could have crossed the floor to join Junior Trudeau and push platitudes of hope and hard work for elites and corporate Canada. Just so revealing of his inner character: no integrity, transparency and an absolute hypercrite.

And being messed up with Liberal pork barreling and bribery is just so fitting: pay backs are a bitch. How so swarmy of him.

janfromthebruce

NorthReport wrote:

Suzanne Shawbonquit, the NDP candidate in the Sudbury byelection, said Kathleen Wynne’s controversial move to appoint Glenn Thibeault over Andrwew Olivier will still hurt the Liberals in the campaign.

Suzanne Shawbonquit, the NDP candidate in the Sudbury byelection, said Kathleen Wynne’s controversial move to appoint Glenn Thibeault over Andrwew Olivier will still hurt the Liberals in the campaign.
http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/01/12/opp_clears_liberals_of...

What an opportunity that Sudbury has in electing the 1st aboriginal woman to the Ontario legislature. A beacon of hope in the sea of Missing and Murdered Ing Women and the recent MacLean's mag article on racism against 1st nation people. A role model for native young women. Her personal story of being on the streets at age 16 to return to school, to an accomplished small business owner and community-builder.

NorthReport

Well said Jan.

NorthReport

I think Wynne's strategy now might be this, and the reason for the BS poll and the article in the TStar:

Liberals can't win with Thibault, and the worst possible thing to have happen to the Liberals is for Suzanne Shawbonquit, the NDP candidate in the Sudbury byelection, to win, so all Liberals should now support Oliver.

nicky
ajaykumar

Despite all the controversies, the NDP isnt winning by a huge margin. Why? because Sudbury is in this mess because of NDP MP/ AND NDP MPP. Premier Wynne has every right to appoint candidates, just like Muclair appointed Mourani. The liberals have every right to appoint candidates, if you dont like it, then join the party to bring change. Taxpayers shouldnt have to pay because an MPP doesnt want the job anymore. Same thing in Manitoba, does anyone know how much it will cost to bring in a new premier? The cost of a transition? 

nicky

You sound like you're on drugs AJ.

Mulcair didn't appoint Mourani. She went through the normal nomination process.

The most interesting thing about Sudbury seems to be the support Olivier is getting, surely in revulsion to the the cynicism and manipulation that defines the Liberal party and which is vividly reflected in the trolling of its creatures on Babble.

ajaykumar

nicky wrote:

You sound like you're on drugs AJ.

Mulcair didn't appoint Mourani. She went through the normal nomination process.

The most interesting thing about Sudbury seems to be the support Olivier is getting, surely in revulsion to the the cynicism and manipulation that defines the Liberal party and which is vividly reflected in the trolling of its creatures on Babble.

thanks, but acclamation=appointment.

NorthReport

What was once looking like a shoe-in for the Liberals doesn't much look like it anymore. 

ajaykumar

NorthReport wrote:

What was once looking like a shoe-in for the Liberals doesn't much look like it anymore. 

we have a majority, we dont care if we lose in sudbury

Debater

nicky wrote:

You sound like you're on drugs AJ.

Mulcair didn't appoint Mourani. She went through the normal nomination process.

The most interesting thing about Sudbury seems to be the support Olivier is getting, surely in revulsion to the the cynicism and manipulation that defines the Liberal party and which is vividly reflected in the trolling of its creatures on Babble.

Nicky, referring to Liberal posters here as "trolling creatures" is not acceptable.

You have a history of making nasty comments on this board, and on a previous thread a moderator even said if you didn't stop saying nasty things you would be suspended.

I'm going to flag this post.  I rarely do that, but the venom that you direct at others through your name-calling of others as trolls and "creatures" goes too far.

robbie_dee

ajaykumar wrote:

we have a majority, we dont care if we lose in sudbury

Yes, that sort of sense of arrogance and entitlement actually explains a lot about the Liberal Party's behavior in Sudbury.

Debater

Getting back to the subject of this thread:

1.  As Alice Funke pointed out today, the first poll showing Olivier at 1% was probably too low and seemed a bit odd at the time.  It's hard to know whether he's as high as 22% as this one says, but it's certainly possible he could gain more ground after the way he was treated.

2.  It doesn't seem as if the NDP candidate is that strong so far, though.  It appears if the NDP wins, it may be because of vote-splitting from Olivier taking support away from Thibeault.  It will be interesting to see whether the NDP candidate is strong enough to win without that split.

3.  I don't think this was ever a shoe-in for the Liberals as North Report claims.  I think it was always expected to be close.  Eric Grénier still has this riding as "Lean OLP" on 308, but it's hard to know from a distance what is really happening on the ground.

Btw, while Maria Mourani may not have been officially appointed - that's essentially what was done in all but name.  When the leader of a party, like Mulcair, appears with a candidate at a national press conference and announces that they are joining the party and will be running for a seat, that's sending a message to the supporters of that party that the leadership wants that candidate in place.  It's like Justin Trudeau selecting star candidates like Chrystia Freeland, Adam Vaughan, Andrew Leslie, etc.  And in the case of Mourani, no other NDP candidate stepped forward, despite the fact that Mourani only joined the NDP a couple months ago.  Were there really no long-term, real NDP members who wanted the nomination in Ahuntsic?

Debater
Debater

Unifor declares support for Sudbury by-election NDP candidate

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1476759/unifor-declares-support-for-sudb...

terrytowel

ajaykumar wrote:

acclamation=appointment.

In fairness acclaimation means no one ran against her. So she got the nomination by default.

ajaykumar

Is Alice Funke an NDPer?

NorthReport

Why?

ajaykumar wrote:
Is Alice Funke an NDPer?

nicky

Apparently I'm being flagged by Debater for calling him a Liberal and perhaps other things that are not as bad. 

So if I get suspened keep up the stuggle agianst the concerted Liberal attempt to pollute Babble with lies and propaganda.

NorthReport

1 First Forum is gospel to the Liberals but now they aren't?

2 What does that mean?

3 Wynne has visitied the riding is it more than 3 times already, cabinet ministers are flocking to Sudbury, but the Trudeau and Wynne Liberals don't desperately want to win the seat. Ha! Ha!

4 Nothing to do with this thread.

Debater wrote:

Getting back to the subject of this thread:

1.  As Alice Funke pointed out today, the first poll showing Olivier at 1% was probably too low and seemed a bit odd at the time.  It's hard to know whether he's as high as 22% as this one says, but it's certainly possible he could gain more ground after the way he was treated.

2.  It doesn't seem as if the NDP candidate is that strong so far, though.  It appears if the NDP wins, it may be because of vote-splitting from Olivier taking support away from Thibeault.  It will be interesting to see whether the NDP candidate is strong enough to win without that split.

3.  I don't think this was ever a shoe-in for the Liberals as North Report claims.  I think it was always expected to be close.  Eric Grénier still has this riding as "Lean OLP" on 308, but it's hard to know from a distance what is really happening on the ground.

Btw, while Maria Mourani may not have been officially appointed - that's essentially what was done in all but name.  When the leader of a party, like Mulcair, appears with a candidate at a national press conference and announces that they are joining the party and will be running for a seat, that's sending a message to the supporters of that party that the leadership wants that candidate in place.  It's like Justin Trudeau selecting star candidates like Chrystia Freeland, Adam Vaughan, Andrew Leslie, etc.  And in the case of Mourani, no other NDP candidate stepped forward, despite the fact that Mourani only joined the NDP a couple months ago.  Were there really no long-term, real NDP members who wanted the nomination in Ahuntsic?

NorthReport

Everyone needs to lay off the personal attacks as much as possible. 

Some posters are very sly with their words, but don't go down to the bottom of the barrel with them.

Keep focused on the topic and not the poster, no matter how misleading, deceiving or frustrating their comments are, as often they are done to get a rise out of you.

For some posters often the best response is no response. Silence can be, and often is, golden.

Just ignore them.

In other words please don't dignify their dumb-ass comments with a reply.

NorthReport

Wynne back in Sudbury as poll shows tight race   Laughing

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/23-wynne-polls-sudbury...

nicky

For the 100th time, I don't think very highly of Forum but it shows Thibeault has a 60 - 40 disapproval rate. Bothe Olivier and Showbonquit have roughly 70 -30 approval rates.

 

http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/Sudbury%20Horserace%20News%20Release%20(2015.01.21)%20Forum%20Research.pdf

 

NorthReport

It certainly does not look good for the cakewalk that the Wynne/Thibault duo had cooked up together. My hunch is Thibault will come third.

NorthReport

This poll says it all I'm afraid. Too bad for the Liberals.

I know Liberals will now rush to jig the poll but the damage has been done for all to see.

Poll

Does anything you learned by candidate Andrew Olivier’s release of taped conversations with high profile Liberals cause you to change your vote?

Yes 41.98%  (136 votes)  

No 45.99%  (149 votes)  

I won't be voting in the byelection 12%  (39 votes)   

Total Votes: 324

janfromthebruce

Unifor declares support for Sudbury by-election NDP candidate

 

What a great endorsement which will come with donations and boots on the ground. And it came from the national president of Unifor - Jerry Dias.

"Suzanne is a formidable candidate with a progressive vision and a wealth of experience that will benefit the Sudbury community," said Unifor President Jerry Dias. "Suzanne has already demonstrated her commitment to improving the lives of young people and families in Sudbury through her advocacy and working to create more training opportunities."

Dias' sentiments were echoed by area Unifor representatives, who were impressed with Shawbonquit and her lengthy list of accomplishments in the community.

"Suzanne is a strong candidate with a great vision for positive change, including improving health care here in the North and creating jobs in our area," said Unifor Local 598/ Mine Mill President Anne Marie MacInnis. "We're pleased to support her."

"I think Suzanne's leadership in the film and television industry will serve us well here in Sudbury," said Ron Michaud, chairperson of the Unifor Local 598 retired workers committee. "I believe she will fight for good jobs for all workers."

"Suzanne's values are shared by Unifor in our desire to work towards a higher standard of living for all people," said Richard Paquin, Unifor national representative. "Suzanne has proven herself in her many accomplishments and will be a great asset to the citizens of Sudbury."

At the meeting with Unifor, Shawbonquit outlined her campaign platform.

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"This byelection is about making sure that the voices of people in Sudbury are going to be heard at Queen's Park," said Shawbonquit. "I appreciate the support of Unifor who represents so many hardworking families in this city, and I look forward to speaking up for every Sudburian."

Shawbonquit shows will class and humbleness in remaining focussed on what matters: representing hardworking families in Sudbury.

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Unifor works to protect its members and play a leadership role in building thriving, safe workplaces and a strong economy so all workers in Canada have a good job, a decent standard of living and greater equality.

It was the messing of vision and focus that Unifor and Shawbonquit share and which by extension Sudburians want: a good job, decent standard of living and greater equality.

Like all unions, they despise scabs - those who are willing to sellout their fellow workers for their own benefit. Glenn acted like a scab.

adma

I've yet to see the usual Liberal suspects rationalize things on their behalf on "55%-to-30%" grounds (i.e. Thibeault *plus* Olivier)

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