Sudbury By-Election, 2015

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WWWTT

janfromthebruce wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Suzanne Shawbonquit, the NDP candidate in the Sudbury byelection, said Kathleen Wynne’s controversial move to appoint Glenn Thibeault over Andrwew Olivier will still hurt the Liberals in the campaign.

Suzanne Shawbonquit, the NDP candidate in the Sudbury byelection, said Kathleen Wynne’s controversial move to appoint Glenn Thibeault over Andrwew Olivier will still hurt the Liberals in the campaign.
http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/01/12/opp_clears_liberals_of...

What an opportunity that Sudbury has in electing the 1st aboriginal woman to the Ontario legislature. A beacon of hope in the sea of Missing and Murdered Ing Women and the recent MacLean's mag article on racism against 1st nation people. A role model for native young women. Her personal story of being on the streets at age 16 to return to school, to an accomplished small business owner and community-builder.

I agree with your desire for equality! But you're asking "western democracy" to somehow pull through and help out and do the right thing. That part is something hard considering the fact that native Canadians are the founding parents of Canada! And democracy has done big nothing for them in securing a strong voice. Democracy=false hope!

NorthReport

I hear you loud and clear.

We know what you don't like.

What do you like?

What's the alternative?

WWWTT

 

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WWWTT

Actually I don't believe there is.

Take a look at the democratic dictatorship of China where ethnic groups are guarenteed seats in their congress. Going to say that I like this system!

Lots of fantastic alternatives out there! Zero possibility the corporate imperialist colonial powers in Canada are ever going to allow a system that gives them free reign to control Canada or even have a voice!

My best suggestion, let Canada continue to spiral towards being on par with a third world world country.

At one time, I believed, the NDP was Canada's best chance! But somewhere along my path, I realized/witnessed the reality of how our democracy allows the enemies of socialist peoples values to be comprimised under the guise "freedom to vote"!

What kills me, is how people suck up the propaganda lie that the "right to vote" is somehow MORE important than say the right to an education or a decent job!

Ultimately, when we vote, we participate in a system and strengthen a system, that continue to supress the majorities socialist values and well being.

If you feel a symbolic token figure being elected to Queens Park will improve the well being of our founding tribes, then all the power to you and I wish you success!

But I doubt the corporate imperialist colonials will allow anything beyond "symbolic"

MegB

nicky wrote:

Apparently I'm being flagged by Debater for calling him a Liberal and perhaps other things that are not as bad. 

So if I get suspened keep up the stuggle agianst the concerted Liberal attempt to pollute Babble with lies and propaganda.

No, not for calling him a Liberal, but nastier things. Here's a 24 hour suspension for refusing to be respectful to babblers and continuing to be insulting at every opportunity.

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Must be good news here for the NDP if it is a Liberal ...er a Forum poll  

It appears that the Liberals only hope to stop the NDP is to support Oliver.  Laughing

Independent candidate becoming a ‘wild card’ in Sudbury byelection

New polls shows spurned Liberal candidate Andrew Olivier surging in Sudbury byelection but Liberals and NDP still neck-and-neck.

http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/01/23/independent-candidate-...

So only a split Liberal vote will allow the NDP to "win" and even then it isn't a sure bet, and this is after the Thibault/Oliver "scandal" and after the latest news on Liberal spending scandals. If the only way the NDP can win is if the Liberals hand it to them on a silver platter it isn't much to brag about.

NorthReport

Nonsense as usual.

There is a police investigation going on into the Liberals and if I were a Liberal supporter I think I would just slink away so as to not be embarassed nor tainted with the stench. For all their high flutin' talk the Liberals are right up and have surpassed the Cons with their lack of ethics. Too Bad. Frown

ajaykumar

NorthReport wrote:

Nonsense as usual.

There is a police investigation going on into the Liberals and if I were a Liberal supporter I think I would just slink away so as to not be embarassed nor tainted with the stench. For all their high flutin' talk the Liberals are right up and have surpassed the Cons with their lack of ethics. Too Bad. Frown

No the NDP r right up there with their cons allies, i.e satellite offices, improper mailings, corruption in BC in the 1990's

ajaykumar

I knew that she was thinking about it when she didnt run for reelection. http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/23/former-mayor-hopes-to-seek-fede...

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Nonsense as usual.

There is a police investigation going on into the Liberals and if I were a Liberal supporter I think I would just slink away so as to not be embarassed nor tainted with the stench. For all their high flutin' talk the Liberals are right up and have surpassed the Cons with their lack of ethics. Too Bad. Frown

I'm not "a liberal supporter" because I don't really know much about Ontario politics. I think the NDP candidate seems great. I think the whole Thibeaut affair looks bad and was ham-fisted. I think it would be a good thing if the NDP win this riding to send Wynne a message that she shouldn't get too cocky or comfortable.

I think that under the circumstances the NDP should be doing much better than they are in this riding.

janfromthebruce

A forum poll is a push poll for the Liberals since its owners are big time liberals. Think about that Oliver polled 1% in the first poll.

NorthReport

And you are an authority on how well the different parties are doing. That's just amazin'   Laughing

quote=Pondering]

 

I think that under the circumstances the NDP should be doing much better than they are in this riding.

Stockholm

ajaykumar wrote:

I knew that she was thinking about it when she didnt run for reelection. http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/23/former-mayor-hopes-to-seek-fede...

She was elected mayor of Sudbury running as an anti-union rightwinger pledging to declare war on organized labour and expressing contempt for the strikers at Vale...interesting she feels so comfortable in Justin Trudeau's Liberal party. 

Centrist

Obviously don't like the results but another Sudbury riding poll, this time by Oracle Research:

Sample Size: 450

Thibeault (Lib): 42%

Shawbonquit (NDP): 26%

Olivier (Ind.) 20%

Peroni (Con): 8%

Robinson (Green): 4%

Undecided: 32%

What I am more interested in in terms of this poll result is whether Forum's IVR riding poll or Oracle Research's CATI riding poll is more accurate at end of the day. Because their respective results are wayyyyyyyy out from each other!

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/25/thibeault-leading-pack-poll 

NorthReport

 - and from that article

Olivier spoke to reporters Dec. 15 about back-room wheeling and dealing, saying he was offered a political job or appointment if he went along with Wynne's plan. He released recordings of conversations with Sudbury Liberal fundraiser Gerry Lougheed Jr. and Wynne's deputy chief of staff, Pat Sorbara, that he maintains back up those claims.

 

NorthReport

Byelection raises questions of integrityRuth Farquhar

By Ruth Farquhar, Special to Sudbury Star

Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:39:40 EST PM

 

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/25/byelection-raises-questions-of-...

 

Debater

Centrist wrote:

Obviously don't like the results but another Sudbury riding poll, this time by Oracle Research:

Sample Size: 450

Thibeault (Lib): 42%

Shawbonquit (NDP): 26%

Olivier (Ind.) 20%

Peroni (Con): 8%

Robinson (Green): 4%

Undecided: 32%

What I am more interested in in terms of this poll result is whether Forum's IVR riding poll or Oracle Research's CATI riding poll is more accurate at end of the day. Because their respective results are wayyyyyyyy out from each other!

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/25/thibeault-leading-pack-poll 

Interesting.

Oracle gives Thibeault a larger lead than Forum does.

Doesn't look like Forum is as much in the tank for the Liberals as some people think.  Or if they are, they could have been more generous with the numbers they gave the OLP in their last poll.

Centrist

NorthReport wrote:

 - and from that article

Olivier spoke to reporters Dec. 15 about back-room wheeling and dealing, saying he was offered a political job or appointment if he went along with Wynne's plan. He released recordings of conversations with Sudbury Liberal fundraiser Gerry Lougheed Jr. and Wynne's deputy chief of staff, Pat Sorbara, that he maintains back up those claims.

 

NR, there is no doubt in my mind that the ON Libs committed major wrong-doing in this by-election! 

 

terrytowel

janfromthebruce wrote:

A forum poll is a push poll for the Liberals since its owners are big time liberals. Think about that Oliver polled 1% in the first poll.

So then why did they keep pushing Doug Ford as gaining traction in their Toronto polls? Over John Tory who was Kathleen Wynne perferred choice for mayor?

NorthReport

Well Centrist hopefully bad behavior is not rewarded on election nite, because it sends a very wrong message to all Canadians.

Centrist wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

 - and from that article

Olivier spoke to reporters Dec. 15 about back-room wheeling and dealing, saying he was offered a political job or appointment if he went along with Wynne's plan. He released recordings of conversations with Sudbury Liberal fundraiser Gerry Lougheed Jr. and Wynne's deputy chief of staff, Pat Sorbara, that he maintains back up those claims.

 

NR, there is no doubt in my mind that the ON Libs committed major wrong-doing in this by-election! 

 

NorthReport

Hydro rates too high, NDP tells Sudbury voters Mary Katherine Keown

By Mary Katherine Keown, The Sudbury Star

Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:46:06 EST AM

Ontario NDP leader Andrea Horwath, local candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit and Darren Stinson of the Copper Cliff curling club discuss hydro rates on Friday morning. (Mary Katherine Keown/The Sudbury Star)

 

 

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/24/hydro-rates-too-high-ndp--tells...

NorthReport

Wynne to meet with officials over byelection allegations

Premier Kathleen Wynne will meet with Elections Ontario officials this week in an investigation into claims of improper behaviour in a byelection. Wynne asked Andrew Olivier, the Liberals’ candidate in Sudbury, Ont., in last June’s general election, not to seek the nomination for the Feb. 5 byelection there because she had another preferred

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2015/01/26/wynne-to-meet-with-elections-ontario-...

janfromthebruce

Debater wrote:

Centrist wrote:

Obviously don't like the results but another Sudbury riding poll, this time by Oracle Research:

Sample Size: 450

Thibeault (Lib): 42%

Shawbonquit (NDP): 26%

Olivier (Ind.) 20%

Peroni (Con): 8%

Robinson (Green): 4%

Undecided: 32%

What I am more interested in in terms of this poll result is whether Forum's IVR riding poll or Oracle Research's CATI riding poll is more accurate at end of the day. Because their respective results are wayyyyyyyy out from each other!

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/25/thibeault-leading-pack-poll 

Interesting.

Oracle gives Thibeault a larger lead than Forum does.

Doesn't look like Forum is as much in the tank for the Liberals as some people think.  Or if they are, they could have been more generous with the numbers they gave the OLP in their last poll.

Oracle in the last Sudbury municipal election had the competitor beating the president Liberal federal candidate by 10%. So their quality of polling is not rated by much. Take note of the high "unsure rate" this poll. 26/27% undecided.

Most polls are done for private clients for internal use and are never publicly released. However, as we well know they are increasingly used tactically. I think that poll releases should include who commissioned the poll for transparency purposes. Also, how many people phoned and not responses. Did it include cell phones or just landlines. They makes a big difference in demographics.

Debater

Oracle speculates that Olivier may be getting the protest vote against the Liberals instead of the NDP candidate.

And yes, there is a high rate of undecideds so that means it's still unknown how this by-election will turn out.

And as Oracle says in the article, it also depends on which voters are more motivated to come out to vote and which party does the best job of energizing its supporters.

But on the topic of polling, we all know that polls can be inaccurate or biased sometimes, but they are usually accurate the majority of the time.  As Nate Silver would say, the more polls and more data you have, the better idea you have of the trendlines and patterns and the less you have to rely on one individual poll.

It's about seeing the big picture and seeing the forest from the trees.  It's always good to exercise skepticism with polling, but it's not a good idea to accuse all the polls of being biased, either.

NorthReport

It's as farce to be using Nate Silver's name with the pollsters you support.

Debater

I don't "support" any pollsters.  I'm not a financial backer or member of any polling organization.

You, however, are a big fan of Ipsos-Reid.  They did a great job of predicting Premier Hudak's win in Ontario last year.

NorthReport

More sleazy Liberal lies, but this is the Liberal way of doing politics. No wonder Liberals have't been in power federally for 9 years now.

Thibeault was talking with Mulcair a week before his defection. 


http://globalnews.ca/news/1794319/former-ndp-mp-glenn-thibeault-blames-t...

 

ajaykumar

Broadbent also expressed concern that Mulcair does not have the leadership style needed to keep the 101-member caucus together and suggested that is the reason most of his caucus support comes from rookie MPs from Quebec.

“It’s one thing to be forceful and direct and both Tom and Brian are that, they’re both bilingual, but in terms of demonstrated capacity at team-building, I think Brian is the better candidate,” said Broadbent.

 

source: 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/03/15/ndp_leadership_ed_broadben...

Aristotleded24

ajaykumar wrote:
Broadbent also expressed concern that Mulcair does not have the leadership style needed to keep the 101-member caucus together and suggested that is the reason most of his caucus support comes from rookie MPs from Quebec.

“It’s one thing to be forceful and direct and both Tom and Brian are that, they’re both bilingual, but in terms of demonstrated capacity at team-building, I think Brian is the better candidate,” said Broadbent.

 

source: 

">http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/03/15/ndp_leadership_ed_broadben...

Several of us argued at the time that it was inappropriate for Broadbent to endorse Topp that early in the leadership race, but more importantly, Broadbent has not said anything that detracts from Mulcair since Mulcair won the leadership race.

NorthReport

Just like the Liberal press release out today.

Liberals co-operating in investigation

“It is well known that Elections Ontario has conducted interviews in relation to its examination of false allegations related to the Sudbury byelection, including with both NDP MPP Gilles Bisson and PC MPP Steve Clark.

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/26-liberals-elections-...

Centrist wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

 - and from that article

Olivier spoke to reporters Dec. 15 about back-room wheeling and dealing, saying he was offered a political job or appointment if he went along with Wynne's plan. He released recordings of conversations with Sudbury Liberal fundraiser Gerry Lougheed Jr. and Wynne's deputy chief of staff, Pat Sorbara, that he maintains back up those claims.

 

NR, there is no doubt in my mind that the ON Libs committed major wrong-doing in this by-election! 

 

NorthReport

The fact that Thibeault is braying like an ass today, and the Liberals are isssuing misleading press releases about the investigation into the Liberal questionable political tactics, makes me think Suzanne actually could win.

I do think the Sudbury voters may give a First Nations businesswoman a chance to represent them in Toronto, and that Suzanne will represent her constituents well if given the chance.

Debater

NorthReport wrote:

More sleazy Liberal lies, but this is the Liberal way of doing politics. No wonder Liberals have't been in power federally for 9 years now.

Thibeault was talking with Mulcair a week before his defection. 


http://globalnews.ca/news/1794319/former-ndp-mp-glenn-thibeault-blames-t...

 

You're getting a little carried away, per usual.

Thibeault has nothing to do with the Federal Liberals.  He's an NDPer.  He may be running for the provincial OLP at the moment, but he was elected as an NDP MP.  Not a Liberal MP.

So if Thibeault has disreputable characteristics, he already had them inside himself when he was an NDPer.  He didn't just develop them overnight.

And it's not as if Thibeault is alone.  Remember that multiple MP's have defected from the NDP under Mulcair's leadership.

NorthReport

 

Élections Ontario enquête sur Kathleen Wynne

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/national/201501/26/01-4838652-election...

NorthReport

NDP calls for Liberals to fund PET scanner immediately

By: Jonathan Migneault - Sudbury Northern Life

 | Jan Sudbury NDP byelection candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit, and Nickel Belt MPP France Gélinas, the party's health critic, challenged the Liberals to fund a PET scanner for Sudbury at a press conference outside the Northeast Cancer Centre Monday morning. Photo by Jonathan Migneault.

Sudbury NDP byelection candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit, and Nickel Belt MPP France Gélinas, the party's health critic, challenged the Liberals to fund a PET scanner for Sudbury at a press conference outside the Northeast Cancer Centre Monday morning. Photo by Jonathan Migneault.

Sudbury NDP byelection candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit, and Nickel Belt MPP France Gélinas, the party's health critic, challenged the Liberals to fund a PET scanner for Sudbury Monday.

“We are challenging the Liberal government to cut us a cheque today, to bring a PET scanner to Sudbury,” Shawbonquit said outside the Northeast Cancer Centre Monday morning.

“Glenn Thibeault is making promises about the PET scanner in Sudbury, but the premier and the minister of health have thrown cold water all over it,” she said. “That's the kind of failed leadership Sudbury can expect from the Liberals.” 

The Sam Bruno PET Steering Committee started to raise funds to bring a positron emission tomography scanner to Sudbury in 2010.

The fund has raised $650,000 so far, but a PET scanner costs nearly $4 million.

The northeast is the only region in the province without a PET scanner, which is used in clinical oncology, to help detect brain diseases, such as various types of dementia, and heart disease. It is also an important research tool to map normal brain and heart functions.

Ontario Health Minister Eric Hoskins said he would trust the province's PET steering committee – made up of medical experts familiar with the technology – to determine whether a scanner would be appropriate for Sudbury.

But Gélinas said Hoskins should make that decision, and added none of the members of the PET steering committee are from Northern Ontario.

When asked about Liberal byelection candidate Glenn Thibeault's commitment to a PET scanner for Sudbury on the campaign trail, Gélinas said he would have to toe the party line if elected.

“Someone from the opposition is free to speak for the city they represent,” she said. “I will make sure I shame them into stepping aside and doing the right thing.”

 

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/26-shawbonquit-pet-sca...

Ciabatta2

Centrist wrote:

Obviously don't like the results but another Sudbury riding poll, this time by Oracle Research:

Sample Size: 450

Thibeault (Lib): 42%

Shawbonquit (NDP): 26%

Olivier (Ind.) 20%

Peroni (Con): 8%

Robinson (Green): 4%

Undecided: 32%

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/25/thibeault-leading-pack-poll 

 

Although I do not think Olivier will poll at 20 percent, this is exactly why the Liberals are willing to put up with the allegations and unsighly press.  The best way of diluting opposition ever.  The only people willing to be swayed by the Olivier situation or candidacy weren't going to vote for Thibeault anyway.

NorthReport

All the more reason to abandon Oliver and support Suzanne.

NorthReport

If the Wynne Liberals are as clean as they profess why they would they have objections to an independent investigation?

Independence a must if Elections Act broken, Bisson says

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/26-bisson-independent-...

NorthReport

Same old, same old on jobs isn't good enough: Shawbonquit

By: Sudbury Northern Life Staff

 | NDP byelection candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit says the province needs to do more to encourage job creation in the North. File photo.

NDP byelection candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit says the province needs to do more to encourage job creation in the North. File photo.

NDP candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit says broken job promises show how the Liberals have taken Sudbury for granted for the last 10 years.

"In 2011, the Liberals promised an increase in funding for the Northern Ontario Heritage Fund. But even with a Sudbury Liberal at the cabinet table they broke that promise. 

"Since 2012, they have left $30 million in Northern development funding unspent. The Liberals promised to create over 1,000 good-paying jobs for Sudburians with a smelter in Capreol. But they broke that promise too. Kathleen Wynne promised not to cut health-care jobs, but now we're hearing that 34 nurses’ jobs are on the line," said Shawbonquit. 

"The Liberals won't deliver on jobs, and with yet another Liberal yes-man, they never will. That's why our city needs a strong voice speaking up for Sudbury and taking our voice to Toronto; not another Liberal dictating to us whatever Toronto wants.”

 

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/27-shawbonquit-jobs-su...

ajaykumar

A sore loser is someone who loses in a fair competition but whines about it on a constant basis, blaming everyone around them for their loss except themselves. Fun to taunt, but no fun to play with.Thats Todays NDP,

grangerock

I've been thinking about the previous post because this is the second thread that ajaykumar has posted it about theNDP being sore losers.  I think NDPers like Charlie Angus understand--the well connected are always taking care of themselves--we have to stand up to this and you call it whining, but I call it speaking out when you see an unfair competition--one side holding the power and money and the other side struggling for equality.

NorthReport

It's a wonder the NDP ever elect anyone the odds are so stacked against them. 

For some reason when looking for an analogy the word "bully' comes to mind. 

Definition of a bully: a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.

The NDP runs against money, power, right-wing governments, corporations, multi-nationals, mainstream press including the entire CBC News Department, the Globe and Mail, Postmedia, Sun Network, CTV, and all the political analysts and sleazy pollsters, aggregators, etc.

ajaykumar

After all the controversy with the NDP spending so many resources in a NORTHERN ONTARIO! riding, they may not win, and definently not by a huge margin. Reality Check: Trudeaumania is back! Lets all dance to Trudeaumania. 

NorthReport

Keep on taking whatever it is is you are consuming.

Oh, by-the-way, this is provincial politics.

ajaykumar wrote:

After all the controversy with the NDP spending so many resources in a NORTHERN ONTARIO! riding, they may not win, and definently not by a huge margin. Reality Check: Trudeaumania is back! Lets all dance to Trudeaumania. 

ajaykumar

NorthReport wrote:

Keep on taking whatever it is is you are consuming.

Oh, by-the-way, this is provincial politics.

ajaykumar wrote:

After all the controversy with the NDP spending so many resources in a NORTHERN ONTARIO! riding, they may not win, and definently not by a huge margin. Reality Check: Trudeaumania is back! Lets all dance to Trudeaumania. 

Trudeaumia is provincial as well as federal. It is also non partisain.

ajaykumar

Rokossovsky wrote:

ajaykumar wrote:

After all the controversy with the NDP spending so many resources in a NORTHERN ONTARIO! riding, they may not win, and definently not by a huge margin. Reality Check: Trudeaumania is back! Lets all dance to Trudeaumania. 

Something wrong with spending "many resources in a NORTHERN ONTARIO! riding!" Ajaykumar? I think that

Yes because our brand is apparently hated in Northern Ontario, and Northern Ontario is to the NDP what ALberta is to the tories. 

Rokossovsky

ajaykumar wrote:

After all the controversy with the NDP spending so many resources in a NORTHERN ONTARIO! riding, they may not win, and definently not by a huge margin. Reality Check: Trudeaumania is back! Lets all dance to Trudeaumania. 

Something wrong with spending "many resources in a NORTHERN ONTARIO! riding!" Ajaykumar? Seems like Shawbonquit, was dead on about the Liberals paternalistic attitude and "talking big" around election time, but not really coming through between elections for the people of Sudbury.

Rokossovsky

ajaykumar wrote:

Rokossovsky wrote:

ajaykumar wrote:

After all the controversy with the NDP spending so many resources in a NORTHERN ONTARIO! riding, they may not win, and definently not by a huge margin. Reality Check: Trudeaumania is back! Lets all dance to Trudeaumania. 

Something wrong with spending "many resources in a NORTHERN ONTARIO! riding!" Ajaykumar? I think that

Yes because our brand is apparently hated in Northern Ontario, and Northern Ontario is to the NDP what ALberta is to the tories. 

You mean you don't know anything about Northern Ontario.

NorthReport

Nor anywhere else it seems. Bingo!

Debater

Ciabatta2 wrote:

Centrist wrote:

Obviously don't like the results but another Sudbury riding poll, this time by Oracle Research:

Sample Size: 450

Thibeault (Lib): 42%

Shawbonquit (NDP): 26%

Olivier (Ind.) 20%

Peroni (Con): 8%

Robinson (Green): 4%

Undecided: 32%

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/25/thibeault-leading-pack-poll 

Although I do not think Olivier will poll at 20 percent, this is exactly why the Liberals are willing to put up with the allegations and unsighly press.  The best way of diluting opposition ever.  The only people willing to be swayed by the Olivier situation or candidacy weren't going to vote for Thibeault anyway.

Well, I'm not sure if it's the case that the only people upset by the Olivier situation weren't going to vote Liberal anyway.  I think some Liberal voters have been turned off by Olivier getting dumped.

However, if Oracle is correct, what they say in the article at the link is that the protest vote of people who are angry about the whole by-election situation (eg. Cimino resigning, Olivier being dumped, Thibeault switching, etc.) seem to be going to Olivier rather than Shawbonquit.  I would have thought that the presence of Olivier would hurt Thibeault, but it may be not be causing as much trouble as originally anticipated and may even be taking some votes away from Shawbonquit.

There's been so much chaos in Sudbury lately I'm not surprised the voters may be all over the place right now.  Afterall, BOTH the provincial member AND the federal member stepped down within months of each other.  Who would have predicted that last year?  You don't normally see the provincial MPP and the federal MP for a riding quit almost on top of one another (and have the federal MP change party affiliation to then run provincially!)

This is giving the NDP & the Liberals a bad name with some voters so I'm not surprised there's a good chunk of undecided voters in this poll.  There are probably some folks who are fed up with both parties.  Too bad for the Conservatives that they aren't more competitive in this riding otherwise they could have benefited from the "pox on both your houses" that a lot of people in Sudbury probably feel.

Rokossovsky

And then again, its really a poll with a sample size of 300, which is a very small sample size, since there are 33% undecided.

I highly suspect that demographic are the Olivier sympathizers who are waiting to see if he can pull it off before voting for the NDP.

Voter motivation is going to be key. I suspect both Olivier and Shawbonquit are in for a substantial ballot box bonus on E-day.

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