Toronto-Danforth byelection - 4

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Toronto-Danforth byelection - 4

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ctrl190

re: Stockholm

 

I still think the NDP has to be the slight favourite. I feel voter enthusiasm, a key factor in byelections, is on the NDP's side.

My primary concern is the lack of a strong Conservative establishment in the riding, despite Lastman ally Case Ootes' previous reign in the northern half of the riding. They usually fight for third against the Greens. I think it could explain the Liberal spillover effect, and the fact that the Libs still had a strong showing in 06 and 08 against a national leader.

I hope in an effort to spare the embarrassment of fourth place the Cons will throw some of their national prowess into the riding. That could certainly eat into Liberal growth.

 

 

Stockholm

The Conservatives have run very  very weak campaigns in danforth for the past 20 years - its really doesn't affect the outcome. There is a small Tory base in the riding. If the Tories runa reasonably competent, visible campaign - they vote. If the Tory campaign is non-existent they will just stay home as opposed to voting for a Liberal.

thomaus

So I just went looking for the Gordon ad that was witty and cute to show it to my family. Apparently it was a little too cute for the real election. It's been pulled. There's still the CBC article that shows much of it, but the original link goes to a 404 error. And this link pulls up with blanks for the images. But, the ALT tags were still there...so here's the text in case you missed it the first time:

 

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Grant Gordon for the Liberal Nomination Get me on the ballot. Hey Dippers, Grits, Tories, Greens and Non-voters—there’s a by-election coming up in Toronto-Danforth to elect our new Member of Parliament. Whatever your political stripe, help Grant Gordon win the Liberal Party’s Nomination. Here’s why. 

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Dear NDPers, In the upcoming by-election, you guys are going to wipe up. But why go through this elaborate process without a spirited debate? I’m the ONLY Liberal nominee who can push the NDP and hold it accountable. Help get me on the ballot, and I’ll create intelligent dialogue. (And don’t worry, I’m not a threat. The NDP owns this riding.)

 

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Dear Liberals, Pay no attention to that last paragraph. We can win this thing. But only with a fresh, new voice. Get me on the ballot and I’ll prove the Libs are rebuilding from the ground up. I live on Logan with Gill Deacon; my kids go to Withrow; and I’m passionate about making our riding—and the world—a better place.

 

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Dear Tories, Do you really want to see those pinko commie bike-riding NDPers take this riding in a walk? No. You want to see them sweat. Help me get nominated and I’ll go after their economic policy. I believe taking care of profits is just as important as taking care of people and the planet. You can’t have sustainability without all three.

 

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Dear Greens, I’m not green. I’m verdant green. Ask Elizabeth. She’ll vouch for me. I’ve spent the last 10 years helping environmental companies and NGOs make the world a healthier place. (I’m the guy who created the FLICK OFF campaign.) Help get me on the ballot and I’ll rally the people of our riding to take positive action.

 

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Dear Non-voters, You’re the biggest constituency out there. Why don’t you vote? Because you hate careerist politicians? Because there’s no real choice? Because no one speaks for you? I get why you don’t vote. But what if an authentic person got into politics—someone who actually listened more than he talked?

 

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Dear Rhinos, Your party is a pathetic, hollow shell of what it once was. Your late founder Cornelius the First, that visionary rhino from the Granby zoo, must be rolling in his grave. Where are you guys?!! If you help get me on the ballot and I win, I promise to give every family in Toronto-Danforth a goat.

 

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You can’t vote for Grant if you don’t register. All joking aside, I’m dead serious. To vote for me to become the candidate for the Liberals, you have to join the Party. Joining a party sounds scary, but all it means is that you pay ten bucks and your name goes on a confidential list. If you’re tired of all the rhetoric you hear during election time, get me on the ballot. Registration ends soon, so please do it now.

 

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To register, go to action.liberal.ca/en/membership.

 

Like me: facebook.com/GrantGordonLiberal

To volunteer or donate: grantgordoncampaign@gmail.com

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So, why did it get pulled from the internet? A little too real? We'll see how the Libs package him shortly.

 

 

 

ctrl190

Gordon runs Key Gordon Communications, a marketing firm.

 

http://www.keygordon.com/

edmundoconnor

From my perspective – a spear-carrier on the Scott campaign – the Liberals have been very, very slow out of the gate. There have been campaign signs on the subway for Scott for weeks, as it wasn't exactly a secret that a byelection was imminent. By having a nomination meeting AFTER the byelection was called, the Liberals look disorganized, possibly even slightly amateurish. The NDP has the jump on Liberals in signs - plenty of orange signs out, and I suspect plenty more to come. Even after a Liberal sign blitz yesterday (with the added bad luck of the ground being frozen), I think Scott will have a clear advantage, even before the sign crews ramping up.

Wilf Day

One more in the race:
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/canadian_news/2012/02/11/2937.html

Quote:
. . . Progressive Canadian Party (PC Party) is pleased to announce that Party President, the Rev. Dorian Baxter, will be the PC Party candidate in the March 19th Toronto-Danforth by-election.

KenS

I think edmund is right. That the Liberals were having a somewhat hard time even getting the easy stuff lined up. Doesn't have the look of a deep enough crew that is ready and chomping to do everything it takes.

I know that when we dont have everything ready to go in a by-election where we have a strong shot... I take that as most likely a terminally bad sign. [As in the case in Cumberland Colchester when Bill Casey resigned with tons of warning.]

edmundoconnor

KenS wrote:

the Liberals were having a somewhat hard time

The hard time has got somewhat harder, thanks to the former candidate, Andrew Lang.

Michelle

Right now, I'm on a telephone town hall hosted by Tabuns and Craig Scott.  I'm not crazy about these things but what the heck, I just put it on speaker phone, treat it like background noise, tune in the interesting stuff, tune out the boring stuff.  But I guess it's a way to see how the candidate connects with people.

I was amused, however by the "poll" they took when I was first connected to the call.  I don't remember the exact wording, but there was some sort of preamble to the question and then the question went something like, Do you think Stephen Harper is leading the country in the right direction?  Press 1 if you say no, and press 2 if you say yes.  Don't forget!  Press 1 if you think Stephen Harper is leading the country in the wrong direction!  Probably a slight exaggeration, but such an glaringly obvious push poll.  And shockingly, 82% of respondents said yes, Stephen Harper is leading the country in the wrong direction!  Gee, what a meaningful poll!

I really wish politicians (of all stripes) would use the polling feature on telephone town halls to actually get useful information from the people they're calling.  It's an amazing tool.  Why not ask people a real question instead of treating us like morons?

janfromthebruce

I don't think you are a moran Michelle. And good for you for listening in - maybe you could suggest to the "crew" a better question or two or three.

Michelle

thomaus, you can find that ad here.  I was looking for it a couple of nights ago, not having seen it yet myself.

janfromthebruce, I'm glad you don't think I'm a moran. :D

As for suggesting better questions - I don't really care enough to go out of my way to think up questions for them.  I wouldn't bother with coming up with questions just for the sake of asking questions.  If I were planning the calls, I'd be asking myself what kind of real information I want to get from people that could be gathered using that polling feature - or maybe something that makes people think you're actually looking for real information or guidance from them.

farnival

looks like Lang isn't the only one eating sour grapes...so's his buddy Warren: 

 

http://warrenkinsella.com/2012/02/sigh-5/

"...An experienced, great guy like Lang gets pushed aside for, um, no one in particular...."


(seems that iPolitics article this and edmund's link go to are behind a paywall)

My opinion, based on my personal unpleasant encounters with Andrew, and the feedback during the last campaign, is that Andrew has only himself to blame, and was more than likely asked to step aside because of that.  speculation of course, but grounded in experience. 


looks like the damage to the Liberal brand he did was pretty deep though...no movement in the latest poll from his 18% plummet:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1131505--poll-ndp-will-win-toronto-danforth-byelection-by-wide-margin

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Scott — a human rights lawyer and law professor with no previous political experience — is predicted to take it at 61 per cent....
/snip/
...The survey shows Liberal advertising executive Grant Gordon with 19 per cent support, compared with 14 per cent for the Conservatives’ Andrew Keyes, a communications specialist. That’s almost on par with results from last May’s federal election."


ouch.
 

 

 

A_J

The article contains an interesting hypothetical about the NDP's leadership contest:

Quote:

But the poll also found that Liberal fortunes would rise in the riding if Thomas Mulcair, an NDP MP from Quebec vying for party leadership, was at the helm, and if Justin Trudeau led the Liberal party.

Although Scott would still win by more than 50 per cent, NDP popularity would decline somewhat under those two circumstances.

Though it's not clear if they're talking about two separate scenarios (Liberal fortunes rising if Mulcair is leader or if Trudeau is leader), or if both at the same time (liberal fortunes rising if both Muclair and Trudeau were the leaders of their respective parties).

But Muclair hurting the NDP?  Interesting.  I wonder if the poll considered any of the other leadership contenders?

Michelle

I think you meant to link to this Toronto Star article, right?  When I click on your link above, I go to an iPolitics article.

Edited to add: Oh, never mind.  The link was right in farnival's post.  It was changed to the iPolitics link somehow in A_J's post when A_J quoted it.  Weird!

Stockholm

Of course that poll asked about Justin Trudeau as a hypothetical Liberal leader the night before his act of self-immolation with his comments about Quebec. If there was EVER any chance of Justin becoming liberal leader for the 2015 election - that chnace has now totally vanished. He will now be persona non grata in the liberal party.

edmundoconnor

Stockholm wrote:

If there was EVER any chance of Justin becoming liberal leader for the 2015 election - that chnace has now totally vanished. He will now be persona non grata in the liberal party.

I'm not so sure. Desperation does strange things to people.

flight from kamakura

a random question about mulcair vs trudeau?  the media types are really lame.

Stockholm

Given what an overwhelmingly NDP riding Tor-Dan is, the Forum poll should maybe have asked all the NDP voters there who they wanted to see as NDP leader! Instead they waste time with an absurd question about Mulcair vs. Justin!

A_J

That's why I'm curious - did they ask people about multiple scenarios (how would you vote if Topp were the leader? Nash? etc.) and Muclair/Trudeau was the only data-point that saw anything worth reporting (a dip in NDP support) or was it just these two?

Makes sense to ask about Muclair - he's the front-runner and likely future leader, but the Liberals really aren't discussing the leadership at all right now.  And seeing how this was a by-election poll, not a NDP leadership poll, there really wasn't any need to get too in-depth into people's leadership choices.

adma

 I wonder if the media's trying to spin Mulcair into being the Real Caouette of the NDP, i.e. the kind of leader that'd turn the party into a Quebec ghetto...

farnival

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/15/ndp-support-still-strong-in-layt...

the Liberals are sounding more than a little desperate in their repetitive messaging:

"The poll numbers put NDP candidate Craig Scott ahead by 61% compared to Liberal candidate Grant Gordon’s 19%..."

-snip-

"“...Essentially the riding is Liberal,” said Mr. Mills, dismissing any notions otherwise as a “myth.”

“It was a Jack riding, not an NDP riding. People were voting for Jack, not the party...."

"...What he is hearing on the streets is that people voted for Mr. Layton, not the party..." /says Gordon/

and Grant gets classy right out of the gate:

“They didn’t vote for the NDP. Mr. Layton was the party leader and larger than life,” he said. “If the NDP wants to believe [in the polls], then maybe Mr. Scott should go to Las Vegas for the rest of the campaign..”"

 

 

one thing you can count on with the Liberals in T-D, they do apparently drink thier own kool-aide, and in the absence of anything substantive to offer the voters, they resort to snarky smears of thier opponents. 

 

 

 

adma

farnival wrote:

"“...Essentially the riding is Liberal,” said Mr. Mills, dismissing any notions otherwise as a “myth.”

“It was a Jack riding, not an NDP riding. People were voting for Jack, not the party...."

But the thing is: until Dennis Mills won in 1988, it *was* an NDP riding--and not only that, but the "strongest" in Toronto, then as now.  To the point where under no sane judgment could the Liberals have been bet on to win in '88--trouble is, Lynn McDonald was complacent, Mills conducted a superb retail campaign, and the whole anti-free-trade Liberal boomlet did the rest.

So: speak for yourself, Mr. Mills.

thomaus

I was one of the 538 people who responded to the push-button poll. I was pretty busy, but it seemed interesting so I stayed on the line. 

The Mulcair and Trudeau questions were separate and the only leader questions posed. ("Justin" was pronounced with a very distinct French accent. BTW) I thought it was pretty random that they got the only questions. But aren't they both leading in the respective leader polls at this point? So maybe it makes sense. 

Stockholm

The liberals don't pick a new leader for at least another year and Justin Trudeau (aka "the airhead") has already very explicitly said he will not run under any circumstances! And that was even before he self-destructed with his Quebec comments. So what's the point of asking about something that won't happen? If you are going to poll about that why not also ask people how they would vote if Jack Layton came back to life and was NDP leader again?

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

adma wrote:

farnival wrote:

"“...Essentially the riding is Liberal,” said Mr. Mills, dismissing any notions otherwise as a “myth.”

“It was a Jack riding, not an NDP riding. People were voting for Jack, not the party...."

But the thing is: until Dennis Mills won in 1988, it *was* an NDP riding--and not only that, but the "strongest" in Toronto, then as now.  To the point where under no sane judgment could the Liberals have been bet on to win in '88--trouble is, Lynn McDonald was complacent, Mills conducted a superb retail campaign, and the whole anti-free-trade Liberal boomlet did the rest.

So: speak for yourself, Mr. Mills.

Of course, in 2004 the Liberals were spinning that it was a 'Dennis Mills' riding and that Jack didn't have a prayer against him.

The twitter feed #tordan is hilarious. Liberal supporters are tweeting every little thing they do, and posting photos of any Liberal sign they can find - me thinks if they spent a little less time on their keyboards and a little more time knocking on doors they wouldn't be 40 points behind in the polls.

edmundoconnor

I have to agree, Lou. The feed is populated by Liberals posting any titbit of information they have. I've been involved with campaigns where the aim is to throw a big shadow via social media to make up for a lack of on-the-ground resources. This looks like one of those campaigns. Their office must be humming with the tapping of keyboards and cells. I don't think they're quite 40 points behind – although I am willing to be pleasantly surprised on election night – but things are grim if their sole aim is to win over the twitterati (which admittedly exists in outsize proportions in TD).

edmundoconnor

Look at the charming lit the Liberals are now dropping.

The sponsorship scandal has been missed off, as has Mackenzie King's abominable treatment of Japanese-Canadians in WWII and his blithely sending Jews back into the welcoming arms of Hitler to appease anti-Semitic bigots. Not enough room on the page, I guess.

I find it charming that the Liberals have such a facile view of history. So J S Woodsworth *didn't* run the Liberals hard for the Old Age Pensions Act? Pearson wasn't feeling the heat from the NDP when he introduced the Medicare Act? Please.

And I find the inclusion of the ratification of Kyoto, but omitting the years of inaction following, idiotic.

howeird beale

Well, what do you expect from this guy?

Here's Tuesday's itinerary for Grant:

-Pick up spouse's drycleaning

-Walk dog

-Check office voice mail

-Phone office voice mail, leave message, check to see if test message recieved, let out plaintive sigh

-Write dull Flick Off entry

-Write dull campaign press release

-Nap

Stockholm

I knew the Liberals were in bad shape in this riding - but this is really sad. Is it just me or is this video by the Liberal candidate totaly bizarre and quixotic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AC86iUenZes

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

That is an odd video.  It seems to have three-quarters of a good idea behind it, but misses the boat somehow. It seems to be begging someone to make fun of a candidate who is preparing to lose.

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

What one can do in a campaign like this...where it's clear you're going to lose, is use it for doing a "dry run" on certain types of campaign tactics, observe what "works" and what doesn't so that you can refine your tactics and use them in campaigns where you do have a chance of winning in future.

The other thing is that you can have some fun while you're doing it because there aren't any real consequences for screwing up.

Stockholm

This is true...but above all - you don't want to embarrass yourself and/or your party. No one expects the Liberals to win in Toronto-Danforth - even though we should not forget that it used to be Bob Rae's seat and it was once a Liberal stronghold - but they could at least put in  credible performance and try to improve on their 18% showing in the May election. Instead they are becoming a laughing stalk and an object of ridicule.

Wilf Day

Stockholm wrote:
No one expects the Liberals to win in Toronto-Danforth - even though we should not forget that it used to be Bob Rae's seat and it was once a Liberal stronghold - but they could at least put in  credible performance and try to improve on their 18% showing in the May election. Instead they are becoming a laughing stalk and an object of ridicule.

Sounds like a good book:

[img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41j0BXgn-JL._SL500_AA300_.jpg[/img]

adma

Stockholm wrote:
- even though we should not forget that it used to be Bob Rae's seat and it was once a Liberal stronghold -

Not a Liberal stronghold.  A Dennis Mills stronghold.

Otherwise, you might as well say that *all* of Toronto was once a Liberal stronghold.  (Even Trinity-Spadina--ironically more on the back of its Peter Stollery distant-past than Tony Ianno's more recent stint.)

howeird beale

radiorahim wrote:

What one can do in a campaign like this...where it's clear you're going to lose, is use it for doing a "dry run" on certain types of campaign tactics, observe what "works" and what doesn't so that you can refine your tactics and use them in campaigns where you do have a chance of winning in future.

The other thing is that you can have some fun while you're doing it because there aren't any real consequences for screwing up.

 

1.) I see no indication he has ANY ideas that work. His idea of an 'idea' is designing a logo that looks like the words Fuck Off. (and he's still riding that one ten years later.)

2.) He's not gonna be run anywhere in the future.

3.) No consequences? Maybe... Maybe the Libs could run a lamprey eel in the riding and still be able to bank on a built in 19% of the vote.

Or maybe they'll get 6% of the vote because their candidate is such an embarrassment, and that WILL have consequences. I can write the article now

"While the NDP was favoured to win the riding, few anticipated the complete collapse of the Liberal vote in this, their former stronghold. Insiders say it is reflective of the continuing disarray within the party in the wake of the last election's historic defeat..."

 

I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy. All he has to do in life is keep his mouth shut and not be remembered as the weirdest spouse at his wife's office Christmas party.

And now he wont even be able to do that.

 

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

How is the sign war shaping up?

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

Lou Arab wrote:

How is the sign war shaping up?

I actually spotted the first Tory signs in my neighbourhood yesterday    One of them was actually on the lawn of a house that wasn't vacant.

I was thinking that maybe they might be doing another invisible campaign where all they do is put up a website.

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

Anyway, I wish the hardcore dippers in this thread could just step back a bit and be a little less partisan in their comments.   The last time dippers were over confident in this part of town we got stuck with Dennis Mills for fifteen years.

adma

I think in this case, "overconfidence" might mean not NDP loss a la 1988, but NDP under 50%  And maybe something even unforeseen such as the Tories in 2nd...

Brachina

radiorahim wrote:

Anyway, I wish the hardcore dippers in this thread could just step back a bit and be a little less partisan in their comments.   The last time dippers were over confident in this part of town we got stuck with Dennis Mills for fifteen years.

I believe Scott is taking this bielection seriously, I saw him on the global new the other day with Nicole Turmel and Olvia Chow, so I don't think not putting his all into it.

howeird beale

When I first heard of Grant I thought the Libs might actually be onto something: A corporate marketing guy who has done pro-bono communications work for progressive causes.

Not exactly a Rhodes scholar who worked with Nelson Mandela, but someone who could potentially bring the Mills voters back to the Libs.

Except Grant isn't really a corporate guy. His website lists charities he's worked with, and a few corporations involved, It gives no indication of any paying corporate work he ever landed. No links to say... a swiffer ad or a car ad or something. Or anything.

Usually when one does charitible work with corporations, a spin-off is sooner or later some paying business gets thrown your way:

"I appreciate the work you did on the Sick Kids campaign, it means a lot to me as my child was very sick when they were a newborn. How would you like to come in Tuesday to talk about doing some spots for our new lattes we're rolling out?"

or

" Who have you worked with? Virgin and MuchMusic? You don't say. Well, you must have some ability, sure I'll take the meeting."

But there's no indication he was ever able to capitalize on the charitible gigs. This is because his charitible work is, well, ineffectual and embarrassing.

Look up his youtube videos for the campaign. They're just... bad. As in inept. You cant hear what he's saying because they're filmed on windy days outside. And there's no substance to them. In one of his videos Bob Rae gives a really effective pitch on why to vote Liberal. But Grant doesn't get to speak at all. And that's just sad

adma

In other words, he's flicked.

janfromthebruce

On Saturday and Sunday in TO it was the prov NDP council mtg and they ended early on Saturday so the reps from all the ridings could go to TorDan and canvas - no, I'd say they are not taking the riding for granted - in fact, it's about getting out and knocking on every door and showing strength.

edmundoconnor
Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Wrong thread, sorry.

Stockholm

edmundoconnor wrote:

Heavens.

Alert to any electors in Toronto-Danforth. If you shake hands or have any physical contact with the Liberal candidate - you will put yourself at risk of being infested with lice!

howeird beale

2x

howeird beale

THIS THE SAD TRUTH. Voting Liberal gives you lice. It's why Bob Rae's hair turned white. IT'S MOVING!

Michelle

Actually, I think Gordon is running a pretty smart campaign here in T-D.  He's putting up YouTube videos that, yes, are somewhat eccentric, but still get across the idea that he's a nice, ordinary family guy who coaches kids' hockey in the neighbourhood.

His wife posting a blog on his website humanizes him, gives people a peek into their happy homelife, shows he has his family support behind him, he's a "nice guy", etc.

He's gotten attention through his funny and silly flyers.  That first one addressing all the different party supporters was hilarious and got him lots of local press.  The one about what the Liberals have achieved and the NDP have achieved?  Well, as an NDP voter, I don't like it much, especially since they take credit for stuff the NDP had to push them into doing (like, hello, MEDICARE?), but it will probably be effective for swing voters.  When you're starting as far behind as he is, you've got to take risks and be bold, and that's what he's doing.

He's basically running in a faint-hope (no-hope?) campaign, and trying all sorts of interesting tactics to see if anything will stick, and trying to get some attention.  So, the party has a gigantic billboard that everyone sees when driving or riding their bike east on the Danforth into the riding from the Bloor Street Viaduct bridge with Bob Rae saying, "We want you back" (which I also think is an effective slogan).  They have rented an extremely visible campaign office, also the first thing you see when you come into the riding, at the corner of Broadview and Danforth.

I know everyone here is partisan (including me - I'll be voting NDP in the by-election too, since Mulcair won't be leader yet), but I think people aren't giving the competitor's campaign enough credit.  In fact, the NDP could probably learn some stuff from it for their own no-hope campaigns.

He won't win.  But if he increases the Liberal Party's vote share by a decent margin, they will probably consider that a success in itself, and use some of those campaign tactics in other ridings where they have a better chance.

farnival

sorry michelle, while i'm completely ndp partisan, i think you're being overly generous to a very oddball candidate, likely because you are nice person giving the "underdog" the benefit of the doubt.  regardless of my affiliation, i want to know what he's done and what he will do for the riding and country as an MP, not weird videos of hockey metaphors by someone who looks like they drank wayyyyy to much coffee, and his spouse's reliance on him to delouse thier kids hair.  that's ok if you have put out a serious platform, and would as you say, work to humanise the candidate. but in the absence of that, and in the presence of the very misleading flyer you mentioned, it's just plain weird.

being a federal MP is one of the most serious things a person can do in thier life.  I want a candidate with a serious CV, a serious campaign message, and is serious about deliveringing on it.  I've yet to get that in 8 years of campaigns from the Liberal camp. only that they want to "take back the riding" for themselves.  

as for "we want you back" , i find this messaging from the T-D Liberals to be offensive as i've said before.  Toronto-Danfoth wasn't "thiers", the NDP"s, nor is it anyone else's to "get back".   Not once in any campaign since 2004 when i became an NDP volunteer, have i seen anything from the Liberal candidate saying what they will do, or have done, to improve or benefit the riding.  What they did do though,when Dennis Mills was MP , was eliminate the Toronto Harbour Commission and replace it with the Federal Toronto Port Authority, which instantly started suing the city and refusing to pay it's taxes, not to mention being a plum patronage appointment location for both the Liberals, and now the Conservatives (lisa raitt anyone?), voting against SSM, and getting busted for claiming he secured a building being squatted by OCAP for social housing when he didn't.  As for Lang in the last two elections, aside from being a toxic personality (if you've ever met him you'll instantly understand) he supported both the Portlands Energy Centre (a provincial Liberal pet project) and the SmartCentre's big box (one of his publicity people also worked at Media Profile, SmartCentre's pr firm), both of which were opposed by the riding.   

why would we want the Liberals "back" ever?  so they can wreck my neighbourhood all so they can put another feather in thier tattered hat?

as for the "prominent" office at Broadview and Danforth, it's basically prominent because it's completely boarded up with campaign signs so you can't see in.  when i did last week, i counted two computers and three phones, one adult looking person, and three highschool aged kids.  looks like a real juggernaut in there!  :-P

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