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vaudree

Jim Walding only won the right to run as an NDP candidate by one vote.  If a couple more people had shown up ...

Karlheinz Schreiber said that he was not involved with Walding's vote but not that his money wasn't.

Yeah, I think that Harper figures that Doer is less dangerous as an ambassador than as a Premier and member of the Council of hte Federation (which, despite the official spin, we all know was his idea).  However, what Harper is forgetting is that, while Doer had a high profile outside of the Province, as the result of his frequent travels, that, unlike Harper, he delegated responsibilities.  Doer's absence will probably not affect the Provinical scene as much and Harper think that it will.

The Council of the Federation is something that Harper would prefer to see fall apart without Doer.  Though, as an ambassador, Doer would probably be working as much in conjunction with the Council of the Federation as with the PMO.

 

Swan, Selinger - who else is still a possibility?

ghoris

The Free Press is reporting that Swan will be endorsed by current cabmins Stan Struthers, Nancy Allan and Theresa Oswald, as well as backbenchers Sharon Blady and Erin Selby. The Sun adds Pat Martin to the list of endorsers. As noted above, Mackintosh is said to be leaning toward endorsing Swan.

Still no word from the Selinger or Ashton camps but it's almost certain they will throw their hats into the ring. It's possible that backbenchers Bidhu Jha and Jennifer Howard could step up, but so far it's shaping up to be a three-horse race.

Stockholm

I`ve actually hear a lot of good things about Swan. I think he is the best of the lot

ghoris

Apparently Swan is also being endorsed by St. James MLA Bonnie Korzienowski. Former Brandon West MLA and cabmin Scott Smith was also in the crowd at the kickoff but it's not clear whether he's endorsing Swan or not (although you'd have to think so).

ghoris

ETA: I agree with Curtis Brown's assessment of Ashton's chances - Do Not Underestimate This Guy.

Ashton has the backing of MLAs Bidhu Jha, Tom Nevakshonoff and Daryl Reid. Bonnie Korzienowski was present at the kick-off, as she was at Swan's, and has told the Free Press she is not endorsing anyone yet but wants to show support to both her caucus colleagues.

Selinger has told the Freep that he will announce his intentions on Tuesday. I'm starting to wonder if he's going to take a pass, too. I'm thinking that perhaps he's been testing the waters all week and finding out that he has fewer backers than expected, and is now having second thoughts.

ghoris

Steve Ashton is in. He will launch his campaign during a news conference tomorrow at noon at the Union Centre.

According to the Sun, word got out after Alex Forrest, president of the Winnipeg firefighters union, posted on his Facebook page that his union would be endorsing Ashton at tomorrow's news conference.

Historically the firefighters' union has not had a lot of sway in the Manitoba NDP (at least not compared to heavy hitters like the MGEU, UFCW, CUPE, etc), but they were a very active and visible part of the NDP campaign in 2007, largely I suspect in appreciation for the government's workers comp reforms which expanded coverage for firefighters suffering from cancer and other job-related ailments (one of the first jurisdictions in North America to do so). No doubt the endorsement will be a boost as the firefighters are generally quite well-organized, that being said, some other candidates they've endorsed did not do so hot (eg Garth Steek for Mayor, River Heights council candidate Geoff Currier, ousted St.B councillor Franco Magnifico). And don't think for a second that this is about some great ideological crusade, either - the majority of the UFFW's municipal endorsements have been of the, shall we say, distinctly right-wing variety. Finally, Swan apparently has the backing of Bob Dewar, who is no slouch in the organized labour movement.

In addition to Ashton, Portage resident John Boehm, runner-up to James Kostuchuk for the Portage NDP nomination in 2007, has announced his intentions to seek the leadership.

Stockholm

If Selinger doesn't run, i wonder if he endorses Swan or Ashton?

Aristotleded24

So does anybody have any preferences? I was impessed to hear Ashton on the radio this afternoon.

ghoris

Keeping an open mind. Of the three most likely contenders, I've had the most personal interactions with Ashton and I always found him very personable and a really genuine person. I've only met Selinger a couple of times, both fairly brief encounters which did not really allow me to form much of an opinion about him, and I've never met Swan. I am hoping that they will have something substantive to say about where they want the party to go, but that's probably foolish optimism in such a short race.

jas

I'm keeping an open mind as well. If it comes down to these two, I think that may bode a little better for the party. They're both scrappers. Swan coming in a little short on the age & experience factor, Ashton perhaps not youthful enough? I'm still not convinced either of them are really well-equipped to connect with the mainstream, although I suppose they could surprise us.

Totally personal perception. I don't know any of them. 

ghoris

Selinger's in, sez the Free Press. The announcement will be made at a press conference at 12:30 Tuesday at the Norwood Community Centre, in Selinger's constituency. According to the Sun, there will be a number of cabinet ministers on hand to provide their endorsement. (I will be very curious to see who. My guesses are Dave Chomiak, Rosann Wowchuk and Diane McGifford. I would not be surprised to see Bill Blaikie there either.) 

Unless there is a surprise last-minute announcement, it looks like the field of serious contenders will consist of Ashton, Selinger and Swan - any one of whom has a realistic shot at winning at this stage. Now that the field looks to be set, I would expect that most members of caucus will declare their preferences fairly shortly.

For those keeping track, here is a list of endorsements to date:

Steve Ashton: Churchill MP Niki Ashton, Radisson MLA Bidhu Jha, Interlake MLA Tom Nevakshonoff, Transcona MLA Daryl Reid, UFFW President Alex Forrest.

Greg Selinger: none yet.

Andrew Swan: Winnipeg Centre MP Pat Martin, Labour Minister Nancy Allan, Health Minister Theresa Oswald, Conservation Minister Stan Struthers, Kirkfield Park MLA Sharon Blady, Southdale MLA Erin Selby. Family Services Minister Gord Mackintosh indicated in media interviews that he was leaning toward Swan but I don't think he's officially endorsed him yet.

None of the candidates has a campaign website up yet, which is a bit surprising. Ashton did upgrade his MLA website this week, however, which might be a precursor to rolling out a leadership campaign site.

Stockholm

I'm surprised that Ashton hasn't been endorsed by any of the other MLAs from northern Manitoba.

genstrike

Stockholm wrote:

I'm surprised that Ashton hasn't been endorsed by any of the other MLAs from northern Manitoba.

I read in one of the articles that he has the support of other northern MLAs, but they weren't able to make it down for his campaign launch.

ghoris

Swan, I would imagine. Which leaves me scratching my head at why some armchair pundits in Manitoba seem to think that if Selinger demurs, Ashton will run away with it (see the Curtis Brown post linked above). Ashton is wisely running as the candidate of 'experience' to try to point up one of Swan's perceived weaknesses (although we all know how well that strategy worked out for a certain HRC south of the border).

I tend to think that Selinger and Swan would each be the other's second choice (rather than Ashton) so if Selinger takes a pass, I would think most of his likely supporters would gravitate to Swan rather than Ashton in a head-to-head race. Assuming that to be the case, if both Selinger and Swan are in the race, Ashton needs a strong first-place finish on the first ballot so that he only needs a few dribs and drabs from the other candidates' camps to put him over the top. In a three-way field that seems unlikely, but then again, Ashton could very well come up the middle as a compromise candidate if Selinger and Swan decide that they don't really like each other all that much (a la Rae, Ignatieff and Dion in 2006).

ghoris

I presume the 'other northern MLAs' are The Pas MLA Frank Whitehead and Flin Flon MLA Gerard Jennissen, as both Northern cabinet ministers, Eric Robinson and Rosann Wowchuk, are backing Selinger. Also present at Selinger's campaign launch were Advanced Education Minister Diane McGifford and Healthy Living Minister Kerri Irvin-Ross. The Freep says that Selinger has the backing of eleven caucus members (but frustratingly does not indicate who they are). (Edited to add: the picture on the Freep site shows Burrows MLA Doug Martindale and Wolseley MLA Rob Altemeyer standing behind Selinger as he makes his announcement.) If you add Selinger himself to that total, that's exactly one-third of the caucus.

Interestingly, of the four cabinet ministers named in the Freep article as backing Selinger, three (Wowchuk, Robinson and McGifford) are widely rumoured to be retiring at the next election. Doer had previously hinted that anyone not offering again was going to get the axe in a fall Cabinet shuffle, which puts Selinger in an interesting position if he wins - does he reward these folks by allowing them to hold onto their cabinet seats while serving out their terms?

ghoris

Updated endorsement scorecards here and here. Assuming that Doer and Speaker Hickes will remain officially neutral, there are six cabinet ministers whose endorsements are still up for grabs (seven if you include Mackintosh), five backbenchers, and two MPs (Maloway and Wasylycia-Leis).

I would have to say that Selinger's backers are overall probably somewhat more to the left than Swan's, and there is more of a mix of pre-Class of '99 MLAs (Dewar, Martindale, McGifford, Robinson and Wowchuk) and newer blood (Altemeyer, Brick, Saran, Howard).

Of those cabinet ministers and MLAs who have not yet declared a preference, I will be most interested to see who Blaikie and Chomiak endorse. Both have deep roots in the party and I would expect their endorsements to carry a lot of weight. Chomiak was a pretty significant backroom operator before being elected as an MLA, and in particular was a key player (along with Eugene Kostyra) in Len Harapiak's oh-so-close bid for the leadership in 1988.

ghoris

Swan seems to be lining up some significant support from labour, if Facebook postings are any indication.  Apparently Darlene Dzewit has been quoted as saying that although she will personally support Swan, the MFL will not be endorsing a particular candidate as its various constituent members may be endorsing different people. I also seem to recall reading somewhere that CUPE Manitoba President Kevin Rebeck has indicated that his executive will be meeting with each of the candidates before deciding if it is going to officially endorse anyone.

ETA: Swan has received endorsements from three more cabinet ministers: Justice Minister Dave Chomiak, Education Minister Peter Bjornson and Infrastructure Minister Ron Lemieux. On another side of the ledger, Bill Blaikie has endorsed Selinger.

Curtis Brown has an updated endorsement tally at his blog, which can be found here. Interesting to note that Transcona Councillor Russ Wyatt, recently in the news for being turfed from Mayor Katz' EPC (and who has always, in my opinion, had a bit of an uneasy relationship with the NDP), is apparently the "chairman of Ashton's campaign committee". Not entirely surprising as his council ward includes the provincial Radisson and Transcona seats, both of whose MLAs (Bidhu Jha and Daryl Reid) have endorsed Ashton's bid, and Wyatt also has a lot of connections with the Firefighters' Union. It probably also explains Ashton's announcement that he would take steps to block any sale of Winnipeg's utilities, an issue that Wyatt has been quite vocal about.

It's not clear to me whether Wyatt is going to manage the day-to-day of Ashton's campaign or if there is a separate campaign manager (I had previously heard that Sel Burrows was managing Ashton's campaign). I only note this because Becky Barrett and Todd Scarth have been confirmed as the "campaign managers" of, respectively, the Swan and Selinger campaigns.

genstrike

All right, I've held back in this thread long enough and I'm just going to come out and say it.

Swan and Selinger are inner circle hacks who won't be any different from Doer.  It's just a matter of whether you want an old white male Blairite or a young white male Blairite.

Ashton's campaign is going to be the death spasm of any sort of progressive or social democratic ideas in the NDP.  He's the last holdout from Old Labour in a New Labour Party.  Not that he's a radical or shares my political views, political views which simply aren't found in the NDP, but he would be the best of the three, and the only one who remotely resembles the ideals that NDPers tell me they believe in.

Out of the three candidates, I'd like to see Ashton win just because he's the only one who might break with Doer-style government and be a little aggressive on some issues, although it would be hard with a caucus full of Doerites.  Just look at the campaign - who is the only candidate saying what progressive things he'll do as premier?  Who is the only candidate talking about fighting privatization?  Of course, as the only person with a shred of principle, that pretty much disqiualifies him as a serious candidate in the NDP.

But, this contest is going to be style over substance - case in point, the MYND is endorsing Swan, when Ashton has far better policies on tuition fees (I've spoke with both Ashton and Swan on the issue in the past, and Ashton was far, FAR more supportive) and student issues, you know, actual issues that affect young people.  IIRC, Swan voted against the MYND motion on keeping the tuition freeze, while Ashton supported it at convention.  But, I guess a leadership campaign is no time to discuss serious issues, it's a time to ingratiate yourself to the designated candidate of the party hacks.

(I suppose someone will now come along and say how I secretly want McFadyen as premier because I want a departure from the center-right path in my government, and how Ashton, a man who won eight straight elections, going from less than 100 votes back in 1981 to 80% majorities, doesn't know how to win an election because he's not a Doer-clone)

Also, now that Wyatt finally got shitcanned from the EPC, maybe he'll start being a bit better on council.  He's already blasting Katz.

Aristotleded24

genstrike wrote:

Swan and Selinger are inner circle hacks who won't be any different from Doer.  It's just a matter of whether you want an old white male Blairite or a young white male Blairite.

I don't know why people seem to think Swan is a "big name" candidate, since he hasn't even served a full term or had any major cabinet posts. The fact that he was the first to jump in, and that more people declared an interest in not running, is to me an indication of how weak the NDP Caucus really is. Political commentators have noted that Gary Doer has put his own stamp on the party, and that was evident last campaign when I heard radio ads extolling Doer and saying "in (insert riding name here) vote (insert candidate name here), NDP." None of the candidates have the charm that Doer has (in fact, I'd actually give McFadyen the charm edge over both Swan and Sellinger) so I couldn't see them pulling it off.

Which brings me to Ashton. What's interesting is that instead of running on the government's record, he's putting his own ideas out there. Did someone forget to tell him that he's running to lead the incumbent governing party, not the opposition? And to the point about winning elections, I don't think Ashton can out-charm McFadyen, and I think the NDP is going to lose seats next go around no matter what, but he's an effective politician, a good constituency person, and I think he is tough enough to be able to win a 4th term. Swan and Sellinger, I can't see that.

genstrike

Aristotleded24 wrote:
Which brings me to Ashton. What's interesting is that instead of running on the government's record, he's putting his own ideas out there. Did someone forget to tell him that he's running to lead the incumbent governing party, not the opposition?

I don't know, maybe I'm coming at this differently as someone who is not an NDPer, but an activist who is incredibly frustrated with the NDP, but I would rather see this whole thing take on some sort of ideological dimension as well instead of being decided on style and an argument about "electability" followed by a round of "rah rah, go orange".  Maybe if pressed to put their money where there mouth is, self-styled progressives might back someone who shares the views they claim to have (Ashton) instead of third way types like Doer or the two other Doer clones.

Maybe I'm biased because I'm incredibly frustrated with Doer and far from the typical New Democrat (in fact not a New Democrat), but if Ashton talks about how he'll do things differently, that's a plus in my books.  He won't get much support from the brass, but it's no big secret that he isn't the most popular figure among Doerites, brass and hacks anyways.

Although, not being OMOV makes this less of a grassroots thing.  It might be difficult for some of these self-styled progressives if their voice isn't directly heard through OMOV.  From what I hear, one of the reasons why the whole convention is being run this way (short sign up period - it took the ONDP like 9 months to decide a leader, and the whole delegate instead of OMOV) is to give advantage to the brass instead of grassroots progressives, which will only disadvantage Ashton even more.

ghoris

genstrike wrote:
But, this contest is going to be style over substance

I think you've hit the nail on the head here, and as you point out in your post above, this is probably a natural result of the convention format and the short time period.

The 'style over substance' angle is the only one I can find to explain some of these endorsements, because it sure ain't about policy. I did not know MYND had endorsed Swan, which as you point out, seems incongruous because he is the least left of the three and MYND is usually on the left of the party. Also surprising to see the number of unions lining up behind Swan - again, most people would expect the unions to support someone more to the left. Some of the more left-wing MLAs, like Howard and Altemeyer, are endorsing Selinger over Ashton. I agree that Ashton is personally the most left-wing of the three and seems to be running the most left-leaning campaign, but some of his key supporters have displayed right-wing populist tendencies when it suits them (eg Wyatt, Nevakshonoff) or never struck me as particularly left-wing (Jha). And I highly doubt that the UFFW endorsed Steve because they are ideologically in sync, given that they have more often endorsed right-wing hacks like Garth Steek and Franco Magnifico at the municipal level.

But like you said, it's style over substance.

genstrike

Well, Ashton and Swan made comments on post-secondary education today.

I found Swan to be a Doerite tool, and Ashton to be very underwhelming.  See Devin Johnston's post here, I pretty much agree with him on this one.

Fidel

[url=http://post-secondary.blogspot.com/2009/09/bc-tuition-fees-and-than-corp... fees to top corporate tax revs in Liberal BC by 2011?[/url] Hey, just be glad you haven't got Liberals. It's hard to get rid of them once you do.

genstrike

What does BC have to do with the next premier of Manitoba again?

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Possibly the cost of PSE tuition in Manitoba versus the ROC?

Fidel

genstrike wrote:

What does BC have to do with the next premier of Manitoba again?

That's Liberal BC, and, since when did Manitoba become an independently wealthy country? Sheesh!

 

genstrike

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware they changed the name of the province to reflect the governing party.  I guess I need to buy a new atlas.

And when Gordon Campbell declares his intentions to run for the leadership of the Manitoba NDP, I'll start worrying about his record in the context of the Manitoba NDP leadership race.

Out of curiousity, do you have a policy preference, Fidel?  Do you agree with Swan that tuition should increase, Ashton that there should be a freeze, or with Devin that Ashton doesn't go far enough?  Do you have any preferences in candidates, or anything to say about this whole thing?

ghoris

I support a tuition freeze as proposed by Ashton, but the province also needs to put its money where its mouth is and start increasing funding to the universities to cover expenses. The problem right now is that the universities are being slowly starved for cash because their expenses are increasing but the province won't let them generate additional revenue by increasing tuition fees. One of the knocks against the tuition fee freeze in BC was that the government did not follow through with promised increases in post-secondary funding, which forced universities to reduce class sizes and course offerings, which in turn inhibited access and in some cases cost students more in the long run as it took longer to fulfill prerequisites for graduation due to the fact that some classes would simply fill up too quickly. IMHO, freezing fees without increasing funding to the universities is not a sustainable policy, so while I applaud Ashton for proposing a tuition freeze, there needs to be a commitment to increase funding too.

Fidel

genstrike wrote:

And when Gordon Campbell declares his intentions to run for the leadership of the Manitoba NDP, I'll start worrying about his record in the context of the Manitoba NDP leadership race.

Out of curiousity, do you have a policy preference, Fidel?

No I'm a socialist. And so I can't really say that I have any one policy preference. There are many important issues in any one province and tend to see the forest not any one tree. If all provinces had the natural resource wealth of a socialist Norway or even Alberta, there should be no problems with funding health care, education, affordable housing, important infrastructure etc. But even conservative Alberta is not happy with Ottawa. Have-not Ontario is levying user fees(another form of taxes) to fund some of those important public services, and our PSE tuition fees are sky-high anyway. Tens of billions of dollar were cut from federal social transfers in 1995 and never replaced. And as a socialist, I lean strongly toward federal commitments to proper funding of public services and social programs, or at least to levels that exist in dozens of other capitalist nations in Europe and Sandinavia. The federal-provincial setup with taxation and transfer payments, equalization forumula is unique among capitalist countries with layers of government buereucracy and complicated by the most idiotic neoliberal trade agreement ever conceived and designed to remove democratic decision making from strong central governments. We have a debt-based monetary system like never before since 1991 and increasing pressure on governments across Canada to rely on market solutions for their needs. The federal NDP isnt even promising to create new social programs during a first term in power only restore federal funding to what it was before the Chretien Liberals seized power in 1993. And that would go a long way toward making PSE in Canada affordable again for students.

Aristotleded24

ghoris wrote:

I support a tuition freeze as proposed by Ashton, but the province also needs to put its money where its mouth is and start increasing funding to the universities to cover expenses. The problem right now is that the universities are being slowly starved for cash because their expenses are increasing but the province won't let them generate additional revenue by increasing tuition fees.

How do we know that the universities will use the additional funds for what they're supposed to? I have absolutely no confidence in the university administrators at any of the 3 universities, especially since the U of M has a history of labour disuptes while top-level administators live lives that are not too shabby.

genstrike

So, I was at Take Back the Night today.

Saw Ashton there, he marched the whole way.  No sign of any other politicans though.

Hunky_Monkey

How much is the average tuition in Manitoba out of curiosity?  Here in NS, I believe it's close to $6,500.

genstrike

Hunky_Monkey wrote:

How much is the average tuition in Manitoba out of curiosity?  Here in NS, I believe it's close to $6,500.

 

IIRC, it's in the high $3,000s, but it can be well over $10,000 for people in certain programs.  And tuition for international students is completely deregulated, so universities treat them like cash cows and keep jacking up their fees - It's probably over $10,000 no matter what you're taking at the U of M.

It also varies depending on how many courses you take, I've paid $5,800 after a 40% increase under the tuition freeze a couple years ago.

 

Out of curiousity, what was Dexter's promises on tuition fees in Nova Scotia, and has he been doing anything about it?

Unionist

Québec had the lowest average tuition fees in Canada in 2008-9 for Québec students: $2,167 for undergraduates and $2,488 for graduates.

 

Fidel

And PQ apparently has one of the lowest PSE enrollment rates in the country. That's not necessarily a bad thing either, just that overall PSE costs go up when more students attend.

NDP Manitoba with the lowest cost of living when everything else is factored in. Very impressive. Babble needs a clapping hands emoticon for occasions such as this.

Unionist

Fidel wrote:

NDP Manitoba with the lowest cost of living when everything else is factored in. Very impressive. Babble needs a clapping hands emoticon for occasions such as this.

Fidel

We're just interested in the truth here, petit garcon.

Unionist

Good French effort - just missing the little squiggle on garçon, but worth applause anyway!

Fidel

This thread is about.....?

Unionist

Fidel, that announcement by Greg Selinger strikes me as one of the more cynical statements I have seen in a long time:

Quote:

NDP leadership candidate Greg Selinger vowed Wednesday to help lighten the financial burden for post-secondary students by fast-tracking income tax refunds on school tuition.

Selinger said, if elected party leader, he would let students collect rebates on tuition fees while they were still attending classes. Now, those rebates are paid after graduation to students who remain in the province.

"... IF ELECTED PARTY LEADER!!??"

Hasn't he just spent the last ten (10) years as Minister of Finance!!??

Creative juices only start flowing when he's running for the top job????

What a clown.

 

Fidel

Are you finished throwing another one of your off-topic tantrums, little one?

Hunky_Monkey wrote:

How much is the average tuition in Manitoba out of curiosity?  Here in NS, I believe it's close to $6,500.


I think Manitoba has second or third lowest tuition fees among provinces to begin with. Then there is [url=http://www.manitoba.ca/finance/budget07/advantage/appendix1.html]Manitoba's overall lowest cost of living in the country[/url] to consider.
 
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The Manitoba advantage available now in NDP Manitoba

Fidel

Well someone just hopped out of a really tiny car in centre ring and announced that PQ has the lowest tuition fees in the country. It says nothing about the overall affordability of PSE in Quebec - nothing of actual enrollment rates as I replied to you with earlier. And lower enrollment rates is not necessarily such an awful thing as I mentioned. There could be legit reasons as to why that is, and I'm considering enrollment rates in countries where PSE tuitions are anywhere from very affordable to free for citizens of those countries.

I'm not wild about front end or "front door" costs being so high for PSE across Canada either. Tens of billions of federal dollars were removed from social transfers and PSE, housing etc in 1995. That's the root cause of the problem with underfunded PSE and education in general today. There is a lack of interest-free money circulating in the economy since 1991. That's another immutable and difficult to ignore fact. It could even be the elephant in thr room. But there are ways around the elephant even. Other countries have done it, and so can Canada. But we need strong federal government to make this and other equally important things happen.

 

[url=Six">http://www.torontocitysummit.ca/urban_challenges/post_secondary/articles... years in Manitoba buys a free education[/url] 2006

Manitoba's initiative will likely make it the cheapest place to study in Canada

I believe the tax rebates now apply to students studying out of province and who return to Manitoba to work and live. It's not free PSE upfront, but it's not bad either.

Unionist

Excuse me - how can Selinger promise tax breaks to students "if elected leader" when he has been the chief financial officer of Manitoba since October 1999?

Is the Winnipeg Free Press (and the Students' Union for that matter) brain dead?

 

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

Excuse me - how can Selinger promise tax breaks to students "if elected leader" when he has been the chief financial officer of Manitoba since October 1999?

Is the Winnipeg Free Press (and the Students' Union for that matter) brain dead?

Well CSF, Canada's largest student union does give highest marks to the federal NDP for their lowest tuition fees policy among all parties, including the Greens. And it looks like Manitoba's student union rep is impressed with Selinger.

And it looks like just a part of his get to know Greg Selinger better running conversation with the press and students. He's not promising a folks wagon in every driveway and chickens in every pot, just to frasttrack tax rebates for PSE students while they are still in school. 

genstrike

Unionist wrote:

Excuse me - how can Selinger promise tax breaks to students "if elected leader" when he has been the chief financial officer of Manitoba since October 1999?

Is the Winnipeg Free Press (and the Students' Union for that matter) brain dead?

Because Selinger is a snake oil salesman.  He's pretending to be progressive when he has been the Minister of Finance for the last 10 years.  I've seen a lot of self-described progressives line up behind him, and I can't figure out exactly why, aside from perhaps some 15-20 year old left cred, although that explanation ignores everything he's done in the last 10 years.  Honestly, I just can't figure this whole leadership race out.  Yeah, I believe that there are a lot of good people in the NDP, but I have absolutely no idea why they would line up behind Selinger, the Finance Minister and therefore a guy who had to have played a big role in creating this New Labour Doerism bullshit or at least been very complicit in it, instead of Ashton, probably the only person who can be remotely described as progressive in the entire caucus.

And I can't for the life of me figure out how Selinger's plan is going to work.  For a lot of students tax credits aren't going to do a heck of a lot, because a lot of students don't earn enough to pay a lot of taxes so they will just keep rolling over.  And I'm not the only one left scratching my head around the SU office about this plan, although the words "indentured servitude" seem to spring to mind in a few conversations.

genstrike

Fidel wrote:

Well CSF, Canada's largest student union does give highest marks to the federal NDP for their lowest tuition fees policy among all parties, including the Greens. And it looks like Manitoba's student union rep is impressed with Selinger.

The Canadian Sederation of Fudents (at least get the acronym right if you want to pretend to be the voice of students in addition to "don't criticize The Party" hacks) also produced banners that said "Stop NDP Lies" for the last Manitoba Day of Action

genstrike

Fidel wrote:

This thread is about.....?

Gordon Campbell, the BC Liberals, and the 1995 federal budget.  Duh.

Fidel

Have you ever considered heading up your own single issue political party in Manitoba? You could call it the, We Have No Idea What We're Talkin' Aboot, But Vote For Us Anyway Party, or simply, WHNIWWTABVFUAP.

David Young

Has Doer resigned as an M.L.A. yet?

Or is he waiting until the leadership convention, in case his successor might need an open seat for a by-election?

Stockholm

Doer is still Premier until a successor is chosen, so of course he has not resigned his seat yet.

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