NDP Ex-MPs to rock Couillard's world?

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Yes, it is utter rubbish, as I've been arguing for years.

There is such a thing as "far-left sectarians", but in a whole other dimension of personality cult.

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alan smithee wrote:

pietro_bcc wrote:

 A Montréaler in 2018 voting PLQ to stop the CAQ is like a Torontonian in 2000 voting PC to stop the Alliance. The parties aren't competing with each other in your riding, they're not particularly distinguishable in ideology or integrity, and they stand at least half a chance of merging before the following election.

 

Oh please. There is not much of a semblance to Mike Harris' PC  party to the PLQ.

I have a disability. When the Liberals first won my cheque was cut a whole whopping $24 a month. Since then my cheque has increased over $50 from where it originally was years ago.

I don't remember having to live on PB & Jam sandwiches.

A false equivalency. And you would have to be a fool to think CAQ is no worse. They will be a REAL right of right of centre party. If you think austerity was bad under PLQ rule,well hold on to your hat,you AND I have not seen anything yet.

Unlike the PLQ a CAQ government is going to attack me,everyone in the same situation as me and those who have it worse than me. This whole laissez-faire attitude about CAQ makes me want to laugh and vomit at the same time.

It's not like QS or the PQ stand any chance this election. What am I supposed to do? Are you going to pay my rent when Legault puts a chainsaw to social services? Are you going to find me another doctor or nurse or pay for my meds?

The REAL Harrisite government is the one coming up around the bend. The fucking CAQ and their Donald Trump loving leader.

So spare me with your condemnation and ridicule. Maybe YOU should pull your head out of your ass. 

As a point of reference, Alan, which riding do you live in?  

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Ken Burch wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

pietro_bcc wrote:

 

As a point of reference, Alan, which riding do you live in?  

St-Henri-Ste-Anne

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alan smithee wrote:

Sorry for the insult I wrote at the end of my last comment. Understand that I am very concerned aboout my future,something that wouldn't concern me if the race was between the PLQ and the PQ.

Unfortunately,this election is like a colonoscopy with barbed wire and flames. The PQ have no one to blame but themselves for being irrelevant. They stand for nothing and the party has never recovered from the Lucien Bouchard era.

Honestly,I never voted for the PLQ,I never dreamed I would but the alternative is much,much worse and I'm helpless because I rely on disability to survive. I'm medically certified unable to work. My sickness makes it impossible to hold a job. I'm scared to be honest with you.Legauly is a demagogue a narcissist who has been doing everything in his power from trying to entice Anglophones to vote for him,then trying to entice sovereignists to vote for him,then back to the English community and just recently called for a new Quiet Revolution. He's an unprincipled asshole who is desperate for power and thinks the province should be run exactly like a business and not as the best interests of society (you really can't run a government like a business,just look South at the Trump administration,that's what they are doing and it's a complete horror show)

I'm certainly not rooting for the CAQ. My loathing for the CAQ, however, is not sufficient to overcome my loathing for the PLQ and make me root for them, either.

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I usually vote my conscience. I vote QS and I'vd been voting for them since the old UFP party. They are not going to win the election this year.They have no chance,which is something that pains me to say but I'm just being realistic.

The NDPQ are not really an option because they just recently became a party in Quebec again and I can't even tell you the name of the party's leader. I don't see them fairing any better than QS,they should have become a party YEARS ago back when Jack Layton turned the province Orange. They are not positioned to win this election whether I vote for them or not. I have to resign myself to the fact that CAQ will most likely win and win a majority. It's a horse race in Montreal between the PLQ and CAQ which both surprises me and makes me depressed at the same time. CAQ has the regions in their back pockets,they will probably win Laval,I feel sick just writing down the words.

My riding is traditionally a Liberal strong hold. If it's a dog fight between those 2 parties in my riding,I feel I have no choice but to try to defeat CAQ.

Saint-Henri-Sainte-Anne is Liberal, yes, but it's not Liberal the same way my riding (Westmount-Saint-Louis) is Liberal. The CAQ/ADQ have never done better than 17% there, and only got 5% in the last by-election. It's one of QS's best ridings that they don't hold. Given the recent collapse in PQ support, a decent case can be made that contest will be between the PLQ and QS, with the PQ in 3rd. The CAQ leading on the island as a whole doesn't mean they stand a chance in SH-SA. Even if your overriding priority is to prevent the CAQ from forming the next government, voting Liberal in your riding won't help, save for some exceedingly unlikely scenario where the PLQ and CAQ are tied in seat counts in a minority situation, and QS decides to commit suicide by backing Legault.

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I'm confused and disgusted. And as I said,I seriously fear my future,this is the sole reason why I'm even entertaining the thought of voting PLQ. But in the next few months,the fate of the election will be written on the wall,I may not have to vote against my values. By then CAQ will be gauranteed victory and I will just throw in my vote to QS knowing that it's all over.

What you said about the PLQ and what you say about the PLQ is true. I just don't buy them being worse than CAQ and I'm very sorry Charest fucked you over as a student. I seriously feel your pain and understand your disdain for the PLQ.

I'm just very concerned about my survival. That is all.

I understand your concern for survival (I have my own!). Here's the thing, though: the Québec electorate is delightfully volatile. This isn't just me whistling past the graveyard. Anything could happen between now and election day. The ADQ went from one seat to official opposition and back to distant third within a year and a half. The Union Nationale and PQ both went from upstart fringe parties to institutions within similarly compressed timeframes. Federally, Québec was solid Liberal until it was solid Tory until it was solid Bloc until it was painted orange from Nunavik to New York. People (especially francophones) seem to be willing to change their minds from election to election here.

That doesn't mean I expect either QS or NPDQ to win majority governments this year. It just means that I'm not willing to commit to the conventional wisdom this far out. And even if the conventional wisdom happens to be correct this year, in your riding, a swing from the PLQ to the CAQ would most greatly benefit QS.

Your vote is your own, of course. It just seems like a shame to spend it on the PLQ in a riding where actual progressives have a decent shot.

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alan smithee wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

pietro_bcc wrote:

 

As a point of reference, Alan, which riding do you live in?  

St-Henri-Ste-Anne

In the last by-election in 2015, CAQ took about 5% of the vote, down from a little over 10% in the most recent Quebec election.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Henri–Sainte-Anne

to be competitive there, the CAQ would suddenly have to triple its support in the riding from 2014 and quadruple it, at the very least from its showing in the 2015 byelection.  I now understand your concern and some of your personal situation, but are you actually seeing signs that support for CAQ is on a massive upsurge in your riding?  I'm only asking because, based on the numbers I've seen at that link, it doesn't really look as though you'd actually have to make the choice you're talking about here-and I'd also say that if CAQ was making the kind of gains that would make it competitive in your riding, the probably overall outcome would be a CAQ majority comparable to the ones Peter Lougheed usually to win for the Alberta PC's.

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Your vote is your own, of course. It just seems like a shame to spend it on the PLQ in a riding where actual progressives have a decent shot.

Well you've given me some food for thought. If my riding is going to go Liberal , I shouldn't stop my normal voting record.

I remember the student protests and how you all were treated. If I had been a student at that time,I'd certainly loathe the PLQ.

The scenario you made of the PLQ and CAQ tying and QS would have to break that tie and sided with Legault,I'd never consider EVER voting for them again. But they'd piss off someone regardless of who they chose to prop up. I know the PQ would support Legault but like I said,the PQ are irrelevant for a reason. I'm hoping that in the end,there will be no majority. I'm not sure if it would solve the problem but at least either CAQ or PLQ or both will be ruling on a very tight leash. There could be room for some decent policies (that was pretty optimistic of me,I'm a natural pessimist) But who knows? How many months are left until the election? Maybe another party other than CAQ or PLQ will pull an upset. I guess anything is possible right now.

Thanks,I feel somewhat better than I did a few hours ago.