The Official Couillard Liberals Scandal/Outrage Thread

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lagatta

Well, there is this thing called national oppression. The remedy is not necessarily a sovereign state, but it does start out from respect for Québec as a nation. (And not the only nation on this territory; there are several Indigenous nations). Perhaps the Peoples' Social Forum might even have some novel ideas...

Some concepts are non-negotiable on progressive boards, like anti-racism and the emancipation of women, though of course there is a wide range of progressive thought about those, as on labour vs capital issues, but not about which side we are on.

There was a deep rejection of the "identitaire" aspects of the proposed Charter (once again, I am in favour of a secular state) and here in Gouin, more graffiti on Louise Mailloux's posters than anyone else's (and I don't think the QS campaign volunteers were doing it). "Xénophobe" and "Québécois" defaced to read "Québécor". Where I live, anyway, although we do want to defend and promote French language and culture - or cultures - people do value diversity and are very happy to live in a neighbourhood with people of many origins.

The increased tax on wine and beer (the media doesn't even mention hard liquor, because Québécois don't drink very much of that) is also deeply regressive because it is based only on volume and not on price. It disproportionally affects poorer people who can only indulge in the cheapest products. It has no impact whatsoever on Dr Couillard or the banker Leitão. They even equalized it by lowering the rate on consumptions in restaurants and hotels!

And Tony Tomassi only has to do "community service" after fraud against the government, as an MP and government minister.

We must keep in mind that endemic corruption means stealing from every one of us and compromising social programs and democratic development.

cco

240 hours of community service. Fucking outrageous. And why did this case take four years to come to trial, anyway? Tony Accurso's been out on bail for four or five years too, right? And he and Gilles Vaillancourt (who is charged with gangsterism, which carries a life sentence) get to vacation in Florida in the meantime.

Not that I'm looking for American-style mandatory sentencing, but this really doesn't do much for confidence in the justice system. Of course, the cops have had their own shady dealings with BCIA.

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cco

Sometimes I wonder why guys like Macpherson and Wilson even bother to live in Québec. If he wants to demolish the "nanny state", Law 101, daycare, and get somewhere students and unions will never bother him again, surely there are places in Canada he'd feel happier.

Maybe his brand of colonial nostalgia and perpetual outrage at loss of privilege wouldn't sell quite as well in Toronto, but surely the National Post has room for him among their stable of self-styled Québec exiles.

lagatta

He is utterly nuts. Students' histrionics? People have no right to protest?

Strangely, there is a commenter recalling D-Day while supporting labour and popular group-crushing measures that would have done a nasty little loser from Upper Austria proud.

Those are the printable comments.

cco

No, we don't have a right to protest. That was made quite clear when the PQ didn't even bother to propose a bill overriding P-6 and its Québec City equivalent. See, protesting is disruptive. The only acceptable kind of protest, or strike action, is one that causes no inconvenience to anyone, anywhere, whatsoever.

lagatta

I still don't understand why McPhartson still lives here when he hates us so much.

As for daycare, it is the same principle as schools or healthcare: free of charge when you need it, based on progressive taxation. Nobody should be denied school, healthcare or daycare aka the right to work for many parents, especially (but not only) mothers. Citizens should bear the burden with respect to their assets and incomes.

cco

In 2012 I got some particularly bitter laughs out of people proposing that tuition go up, but that student loan repayments be keyed to post-graduation income. Yes, if only we had some kind of system to pay for things many people can't afford, and charge them proportionately to their income! We could have auditors and forms and everything.

MegB

Lagatta, if we had a "like" button, I'd use it for your post, #51. We are a land of nations, most of them First People's. Anyone who would see this land in a monochromatic monolith way is deeply out of touch.

Seahawk, we're trying be aware of rape culture here. Your comment referring to being bent over and fucked without consent, which is my language but your intent, isn't cool.

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A bad budget for education

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The Couillard government is trying to avoid using the word “austerity.” However, avoiding its use may not be enough to prevent Quebecers from seeing the fundamental truth behind the recent Liberal budget.

Rebecca West, I believe I started the "bend over" references with my original post at the top of this thread. The rape metaphor was deliberate on my part, but ill-chosen. I apologize.

Illegal donations 'society's problem,' says Marc-Yvan Côté

Yet another user of the PLQ/Roche revolving door. I'm so glad Sam Hamad is transport minister, so he can sort this shit out. You know, "society's problem". The Liberals are just reflecting society! No blame here.

Pondering

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Let me guess how you voted.  I'd vote Liberal again and again until I leave this province.  Until then, I'll always vote Liberal because even though they also discriminate against my rights as a minority, I know they will never insist I be fired because I'm not pure-laien enough.

I am fortunate to be in a QS riding so I can vote closer to my conscience without risking a separatist party actually winning. I pray (figuratively speaking) for the day we have an NDP option in Quebec.

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QS is also a 'seperatist' party.

I'd prefer to say Sovereignist.

cco

Marc-Yvan Côté admits he knew he was breaking the law

The actual questioning today was amazing. "Yes, I knew it wasn't allowed." "Which is another way of saying 'illegal'?" "Uh, maybe, yes."

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Régimes de retraite : « Le statu quo n'est plus viable », dit Moreau

And if you're wondering why, today's Charbonneau testimony should give you an idea. Implicated in today's testimony: Germain Chevarie, Réal Gauvin, and my own absentee MNA, Jacques Chagnon.

Not to worry, though. Leitão's already hard at work on the next budget:

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That could include a shift to higher consumption taxes, such as the TVQ, and lower income tax, the minister confirmed, noting that Quebec’s marginal tax rates on individual incomes are higher than in other provinces.

Further shifting of the burden from rich to poor.

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Pension bill ‘a declaration of war,’ unions say

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The bill proposes freezing the automatic indexation of pensions for workers already retired. That would affect 20,000 out of 50,000 retired workers and yield $1 billion a year in new money.

Ah, I see the source of the confusion here. Instead of "new money", that should read "money stolen from retirees' pensions". An easy mistake to make.

Charbonneau witness: $500 to get face-to-face with Jean Charest

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Firefighters announce mass early retirement to protest new pension rules; Moreau calls for "calm"

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“I find it unfortunate that people are taking drastic actions or making statements that can only escalate in tone,” Moreau told reporters.

Moreau repeated it was not the government that created the deficit and now the two parties, the city and unions, “need to sit down together.”

Yes, the PQ's 18 months in office made it impossible to honour pensions. Totally logical.

Unionist

This thread is going to make me very sick. These fucking Liberals will go from bad to worse. My only wish is that, for a change, all the rival trade union centrals would bury the hatchet and mount a concerted fightback against these smirking exploiters - together with students, women, anti-poverty, and environmental movements. We need to make it happen.

 

cco

Perhaps this time, the resistance has begun with the firefighters. If only it were possible to bring the police onside.

CanadaOrangeCat

The police will always side with the state.

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Municipal employees stage walkout, protest at City Hall

Charbonneau investigators interrogated Couillard today. Meanwhile, Normandeau's been thrown under the bus repeatedly by the last couple of witnesses. She may take the stand tomorrow. (Hearings have been running into overtime a lot lately so as to have a chance of the commission finishing its work on time.)

Coderre's reaction, incidentally:

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Droit manifester est un droit fondamental mais il est inacceptable et irresponsable que les syndicats allument un feu pendant manifestation

Since he thinks it's a fundamental right, I'm sure we'll see him denounce P-6 any day now.

lagatta

Indeed. The people arrested under that were not, at least for the most part, setting anything on fire.

cco

Boy, was there ever a Liberal love-in during Normandeau's testimony today. Charbonneau swooned over her, repeatedly telling her not to feel pressured or nervous. And naturally, she swears she knew nothing about any illegal dealings, says there's a non-specific "manque d'ethique" among the entire political class (not naming any names, here!), and says she'd have fired her long-time chief of staff had she known the details. Right.

Hey, Harper! You're on the "mandatory minimum sentences" train, right? I bet UPAC could get a lot more politicians to coöperate if they didn't all know they'd be sentenced to community service at best -- and, in the 11 years they're out on bail before they come to trial, be able to travel internationally, as if the charges against them were an unpaid speeding ticket or two. Think a Honduran kid from Montréal-Nord caught playing dice gets that kind of treatment?

Oh wait, he usually just gets shot in the head, instead, to demonstrate our commitment to being "tough on crime".

cco

$2 hospital meals could cause malnutrition, dietitians warn

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The provincial government recently announced it could cut up to $600 million in health-related spending by 2018.

An average meal at a Quebec hospital or CHSLD (government-run seniors’ residence) now costs less than $2 according to some estimates, and further cuts may be on the way.

But while the cuts to the province’s hospital network are designed to trim administrative fat, some say the government is cutting right down to the bone.

“A balanced meal, forget it! We don’t have that anymore in CHSLDs or in hospitals. Excuse me, but it’s really hard,” retired auxiliary nurse Claudette Patenaude told Radio-Canada.

The problem isn’t new, however.

Nutritionist and University of Montreal professor Michel Sanscartier said part of the issue is the way food budgets figure into the way Quebec measures hospital’s performance. He said that has already led to so many cuts and a lack of inflation indexing that food budgets are now stretched beyond their limits.

"Every year we have to cut because we don't have the indexation so since food costs more we need to have more money," Sanscartier said.

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Yves Bolduc's $215K bonus unethical, say ex-health ministers

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Castonguay has added his voice to that of another former health minister, Réjean Hébert, who said it was unethical for Bolduc to collect the premiums. Hébert demanded that Bolduc refund the sum.

“He profited from a breach in the system he is all too familiar with. I don’t understand how, in working part time, he could have registered 1,500 patients a year... Most doctors usually register between 100 and 150 new patients, and so Dr. Bolduc’s performance is, at the very least, a matter of discussion. I don’t understand why the RAMQ [Quebec’s provincial health care plan] is not investigating,” Hébert told Radio-Canada.

lagatta

They were reporting on a long-term "care" facility where it was closer to $1. Pasta?

cco

Bolduc has no remorse

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Quebec MNA Yves Bolduc answered swirling questions about his ethics on Tuesday by saying the only thing he was guilty of was having a strong work ethic.

"Quebec is a very strange place in the world because, apparently, working very hard is a reprehensible thing," Bolduc charged.

As opposed to those freeloading hospital patients, with their "nutritional needs" and other such nonsense. Keep your noses to the grindstone, slackers! Bolduc's gotta get paid.

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$2 hospital meals could cause malnutrition, dietitians warn
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The provincial government recently announced it could cut up to $600 million in health-related spending by 2018.

An average meal at a Quebec hospital or CHSLD (government-run seniors’ residence) now costs less than $2 according to some estimates, and further cuts may be on the way.

But while the cuts to the province’s hospital network are designed to trim administrative fat, some say the government is cutting right down to the bone.

“A balanced meal, forget it! We don’t have that anymore in CHSLDs or in hospitals. Excuse me, but it’s really hard,” retired auxiliary nurse Claudette Patenaude told Radio-Canada.

The problem isn’t new, however.

Nutritionist and University of Montreal professor Michel Sanscartier said part of the issue is the way food budgets figure into the way Quebec measures hospital’s performance. He said that has already led to so many cuts and a lack of inflation indexing that food budgets are now stretched beyond their limits.

"Every year we have to cut because we don't have the indexation so since food costs more we need to have more money," Sanscartier said.

That's what gets you a [url=http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/news/news-releases/Quebec-a... one 'efficiency' ranking from the Fraser Institute[/url]

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The City of Montreal abruptly halted its grant program aimed at uplifting blighted neighbourhoods Monday, citing a drought in funding from the province.

The programs affected all fall under the Renovation Québec funding banner, a larger provincial government program which aimed to help municipalities fund projects that would improve housing conditions and provide jobs in rundown areas.

Also affected is the city’s Urban Housing for Families program, which provides financial assistance for the construction of family-suitable housing in and around the city’s core. It was deemed an "integral part" of the city's five year plan to retain families, adopted by city council last summer.

Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre said the city had no choice other than halt applications to the program since, without the provincial portion of the funding, it won't be able to deliver.

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Poor Denis. He so wants to provide hecatares of housing, but the mean Liberals won't let him. 

(No defence of Couillard, natch, but it's hard to take seriously Coderre posing as a defender of the poor.) 

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I guess he can be shamed a little after all: Yves Bolduc will repay some patient premiums to RAMQ

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Education Minister Yves Bolduc, who steadfastly refused he had done anything wrong when he collected $215,000 in patient premiums while he was a sitting MNA, now says he'll repay some of that money.

"I'm going to do more because it's very important to be very sensitive to the situation and for the patients. I'm going to give the same amount to a charitable organization," he said.

Bolduc said he is awaiting a letter from the province's health insurance board (RAMQ) to find out exactly how much that amount is, but it will amount to 50 per cent of the full amount he collected on those patients.

He's not repaying the other 50%, because fuck you, citizens.

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Like Jesus Christ, Gérald Tremblay says he was betrayed by one of his 12 “apostles” — a member of his 12-member political inner circle, the city executive committee.

It was the analogy the former Montreal mayor used in an interview with local Christian radio station 91.3 Radio Ville-Marie on Thursday to explain the corruption that so many witnesses at Quebec’s commission of inquiry into collusion in the province’s construction industry have described was rampant at the city during his terms in office.

“Christ asked Barnabas, the first apostle, to help him choose His best apostles, the best people to accompany Him,” Tremblay said in the hour-long pre-taped interview in French.

“There were 12. There was one person who betrayed Him. At the executive committee, I had 12 people and one person betrayed me.”

Though not named, the reference is presumably to former executive committee chairman Frank Zampino, a member of his one-time executive committee awaiting trial on charges related to fraud and breach of trust in a municipal land deal.

Yes, Gérald. Just like Jesus. We'll dedicate the cross on Mount Royal to you.

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‘It’s going to be war': Quebec police, city workers ditch uniforms to protest Liberal government’s pension reforms

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Quebec's elites are in the process of pulling off the greatest heist in the province's history

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In a move that seems perfectly symbolic of the sort of politics his government represents, Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard announced this week that the five members of the government commission charged with reviewing government programs and recommending where to make cuts will be paid the tidy sum of $1.03 million for about eight months of work. Commission President and ex-Liberal cabinet minister Lucienne Robillard will take home $265,000 for explaining to average Quebecers where they must make sacrifices.

Seahawk443

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Quebec's elites are in the process of pulling off the greatest heist in the province's history
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In a move that seems perfectly symbolic of the sort of politics his government represents, Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard announced this week that the five members of the government commission charged with reviewing government programs and recommending where to make cuts will be paid the tidy sum of $1.03 million for about eight months of work. Commission President and ex-Liberal cabinet minister Lucienne Robillard will take home $265,000 for explaining to average Quebecers where they must make sacrifices.

Quebec is a wasteland. The political atmosphere is ruined by the constant fear of the loss of Quebecois culture in all shapes and forms. Taxpayers are exploited, politicians are straight thieves and above all else people are taught to think of themselves as victims. We need to rise up cause otherwise we are going to continue in the same downaward spiral. Vive le Quebec libre!

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Education minister: Schools already have enough books

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He told the newspaper, in French, that no child would die or stop reading because of fewer books in school libraries, since they still had some books.

“I would prefer [that libraries] buy fewer books. Our libraries are already well-equipped. Go in the schools. There are books… books that were bought last year, two years ago, 20 years ago,” Bolduc told Le Devoir.

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Pensions and now books in schools?

I foresee some very tough times for a lot of people.

Couillard and co. need not worry.

Their salaries and pensions are iron-clad

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Taxpayers are asked to identify the programs and agencies they feel have lost their relevance.

Oh, I have a couple of suggestions (that are really just one): the mafia and the PLQ!

Fucking disgusting. If they wanted input from citizens on whether we want programs axed, they should have put it in their electoral program to see how many people wanted it.

lagatta

And Couillard benefited from very expensive taxpayer-subsidised medical school and specialist education to go to work in the deeply sexist and otherwise discriminatory petrocratic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Somehow I doubt he was treating migrant workers from Pakistan there. He made a pile, not that brain surgeons are exactly poor here, and it is parked offshore in a tax shelter.

As for our mafiosi and mafia associates (there is a great Italian expression, "in odore di Mafia") they all come across as great charmers and job creators. Yes, Lino charmed Line (cute, eh?) and Tony Accurso has beautiful silver hair and great tailoring, but you and I have paid a sizeable chunk of that tailoring. Road and infrastructure work on MY BLOCK took from early April to late November; think it was three years ago. Think they just hurried up because winter was around the corner. Yep, one block. A long Montréal block, but still...

MegB

Seahawk443 wrote:
cco wrote:
Quebec's elites are in the process of pulling off the greatest heist in the province's history
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In a move that seems perfectly symbolic of the sort of politics his government represents, Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard announced this week that the five members of the government commission charged with reviewing government programs and recommending where to make cuts will be paid the tidy sum of $1.03 million for about eight months of work. Commission President and ex-Liberal cabinet minister Lucienne Robillard will take home $265,000 for explaining to average Quebecers where they must make sacrifices.
Quebec is a wasteland. The political atmosphere is ruined by the constant fear of the loss of Quebecois culture in all shapes and forms. Taxpayers are exploited, politicians are straight thieves and above all else people are taught to think of themselves as victims. We need to rise up cause otherwise we are going to continue in the same downaward spiral. Vive le Quebec libre!
We have a rule here about specious statements about Quebec used to bash a nation and culture. The rule is: don't.

lagatta

I was going to complain to Ricochet-media about an anti-Québec article, but I see that the bigoted paragraph was not in the original article by Robert Green.

We have very serious problems with corruption and collustion. And also people dedicated to fighting those. As for the élites, that is no different anywhere else in most capitalist countries.

But Québec is not a wasteland. We have a far more vibrant culture than most other places I can think of in North America and there is no city other than Montréal where I would live in this continent. And we have good reasons to fear and fight against the loss of our (common) language and culture.

Québec libre, Québec écosocialiste!

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Tony Accurso threw Jacques Duchesneau under the bus today, claiming to have paid off his debts.

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Accuro's testimony finished Thursday with a photo of Accurso embracing former Quebec premier Jean Charest. The photo was snapped before Charest was premier during a party fundraising event at Accurso's Laval, Que., restaurant.

After a series of phone calls to high-ranking union friends and former insiders, all caught on tape, Accurso said someone close to the PQ told him the office of newly elected premier Pauline Marois ordered the blacklisting.

Unionist

Accurso's testimony has been brilliant. The Commission counsel seems like a kindergartener by contrast. People are wondering why his lawyers went as far as the Supreme Court to block the subpoena. He's handsome, charming, good-humoured, and shockingly sincere and persuasive. If he weren't a wealthy capitalist crook (like all the rest), I'd vote for him!

 

 

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Get ready for a rough fall as Liberals plan to slash spending

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Over the past few days, the Premier stressed that the average person will not bear the brunt of the budget-cutting pain and that he will protect the vulnerable. On the other hand, he said everything is on the table.

“No stone will be left unturned. We will look at everything. There will be no sacred cows. Even things that we thought had to absolutely be done “that way” are going to be looked at again. And this may and will lead to substantial changes to the way we do things in Quebec,” Couillard said during his closing press conference.

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