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Quebec Police Display Violent Behaviour

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Bacchus
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Excellant, the only way we will get the culture to change is to charge those that violate the law while pretending to enforce it


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Officers accused of beating in video want their pay back

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The union representing four police officers suspended for allegedly beating a robbery suspect wants them reinstated, with pay.

The union insists the city council in Trois-Rivières ignored the presumption of innocence when it expanded the municipal officers' suspension to take away their pay.

Union president Louis Lesage says the officers' families are in disarray after being deprived of their income.

The officers were suspended with pay on Feb. 8, but city council revised the suspension to one without pay in a decision at their Monday night council meeting.

No, I am not on the side of the union!

 


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"Suspicious" fire destroys hotel owned by SQ top brass

The media, of course, aren't asking the obvious questions about why the SQ brass owned a tiny hotel together in the Laurentians to begin with -- including as one of the partners the guy who's currently investigating criminal misspending by the former SQ chief. Wouldn't want to call the good reputation of a force so corrupt gangsters break out of prison to deliver incriminating tapes to the press into question, after all.


lagatta
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Police officer threatens to attach beggar to a pole outdoors on bitterly cold day:

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/montreal/201401/02/01-4725248-je-vais-...

As you can see in the photo, the itinerant is dressed for a summer day - he is wearing a t-shirt and bermuda shorts, and has a Santa Claus hat on his shoulder. According to the report, it was -40 (actually, that would include the wind chill, but it is a very windy spot - this is on Jean-Talon, in front of the main entrance to Jean-Talon métro station - near my place).

The police officer said several people had complained because the man was begging in an aggressive manner. (And yes, this does happen). Once again, the police don't seem to have any understanding or training in how to deal with people who seem to have serious mental health problems. They shot another itinerant outside another métro station, in Old Montréal, some time back...

Found a story in English:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/video-shows-montreal-police-offic...

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Police+officer+caught+video+threaten... The building on the other side of the street is Casa d'Italia. It is a large métro station entrance, and several bus lines stop there. Always busy.


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lagatta wrote:
Once again, the police don't seem to have any understanding or training in how to deal with people who seem to have serious mental health problems.

The odd thing is that police foundations programs, which are prerequisites to police academy diploma courses, include exposure to sociology and psychological material.  So it's not as if they're merely trained in criminal code enforcement, given badges and guns and unleashed in the streets.  I would say that no amount of psychological training suffices to prepare the average cop for the quantity of problems that this society produces, and even the most learned Psychiatric institutions contain histories of abuse of power by its practitioners.  The profession of nursing for instance is rife with abuse, as certain individuals become immune to the conveyor belt of suffering they have to contend with on a daily basis, corresponding to a dangerous decline in the quality of care in many respects.  When a cop abuses an individual who is crying out for help, it reveals the cracks in a system that is not designed to adequately address the scale of what it causes by its very existence.  The salary of a beat cop is a systemic allowance that is intended to effect compliance for the sake of whatever social peace the more favoured contributors of society demand, which in essence only makes the problem temporarily disappear so as not to disturb the more valued citizenry, lest they too become overly disturbed by being constantly reminded of the problems that surround them.


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Thanks for the needed context, SJ. Everyone is beating up on this cop, including our glorious mayor Denis Coderre, and the police are distancing themselves from him. His crime, of course, is that: 1) He works for them. 2) He got caught.


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Yeah, they put the cop out there for that very reason, to enforce compliance and ultimately to get rid of the problem, knowing full well as these politicians certainly do that this sick society that representational politics is the façade for, can never hope to properly manage what has become unmanageable.  There's not enough capacity or resources because of the exigencies of the global market economy.

ETA:  It's not to say that there shouldn't be better expectations and demands in terms of how human beings are treated, but I can't help thinking about what all of the fine people of society who complained expected would happen when they involved the police.


lagatta
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You are right, Unionist, it isn't fair to single out this cop. It is a systemic problem.

I was once hit hard by a woman (who seemed to have extreme mental health problems) at Berri-UQAM métro. I had bruises on a breast and a sore ribcage afterwards for days, fortunately no broken ribs or anything else more serious. She could have killed a frail elderly person. I can certainly see how commuters or passerby could be intimidated by an aggressive young guy like the one in the photo and film.

 


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For as long as I can remember, the police have been sadistic and violent and after each incident, we are treated yet again to reassurances that the latest outrage is a one-off, aberration. It isn't. Nor is our relentless denial, especially in Canada where the ass-kissing, veneration of the police is a national religion..


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This story just keeps getting bigger:

Elementary school teacher and janitor say they were handcuffed, one pepper-sprayed in altercation with officer who ran red light

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Carl Cadieux, the janitor at École au Pied-de-la-Montagne, says the incident began with the officer running a red light in front of the school at the corner of Pine Avenue and Henri-Julien Avenue without turning on his flashing lights.

Cadieux says there were children waiting to cross at the intersection, and he yelled out for the officer to be more careful.

The officer then allegedly returned to confront Cadieux, who says he was handcuffed and roughly pressed up against the squad car in the process.

Teacher Nadia Lessard then intervened and told the officer to let Cadieux go.

“[Cadieux] was yelling out because it hurt, and so I said, ‘Let him go’ louder and touched the officer’s arm,” she told CBC News.

At that point, the officer turned on Lessard, who said he put his hand to her throat and pepper-sprayed her in the face.

“He pepper-sprayed me not even two inches from my face and after then I couldn’t see anything,” she said.

Lessard said she was then handcuffed and put in another squad car that had arrived on the scene.

The teacher has been charged with "obstructing swine" - I may not have captured the precise legal terminology.

People are speaking out.

 


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Update from later version of above story:

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Dave Miller’s daughter attends the school and he witnessed the incident.

He told CBC News that it left him feeling troubled and unsafe.

“I’m paying their salaries with my tax money and then I see people like that,” he said.

Miller said other police at the scene seemed just as shocked by the incident, which left many children in tears.

“The teacher just completely blind and a bunch of cops who looked as stunned as everybody else, quite frankly, at what their colleague was doing and a dozen children bawling their eyes out," he said.

Cadieux [the janitor] said the support he’s been getting from the students is a comfort.

“It makes me feel better because the situation in front of parents, children, I don’t like it,” he said.

People speaking out to the media against the cops. It's an exciting development.

 


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The thing is this behavior doesn't come out of the blue. Officer 728 was very sick by the time they finally laid her off. There were many incidents and clear behavior that indicated she had serious problems. Her partner was afraid to work with her. 

Maybe organizations like police and doctors need some sort of reporting mechanism to their unions or associations when a colleague looks to be having serious issues. Then the union or association can step in sooner and make sure the officer is getting the necessary help. 


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Pondering wrote:

The thing is this behavior doesn't come out of the blue. Officer 728 was very sick by the time they finally laid her off. There were many incidents and clear behavior that indicated she had serious problems. Her partner was afraid to work with her. 

Maybe organizations like police and doctors need some sort of reporting mechanism to their unions or associations when a colleague looks to be having serious issues. Then the union or association can step in sooner and make sure the officer is getting the necessary help. 

So her colleague cops just stand and watch her go apesh!t ? The teacher just completely blind and a bunch of cops who looked as stunned as everybody else, quite frankly, at what their colleague was doing and a dozen children bawling their eyes out," he said.

lagatta
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There was an end-of-year school party going on - that is why there were so many children outside, in the schoolyard. Also parents and teachers. And of course, nowadays, some parents filmed this on their phones.

http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/actualites-en-societe/410857/des-arresta...

I'm also sick of police going through red lights with impunity, unless they are in hot pursuit, and even then, they have to weigh consequences to innocent bystanders - here, a bunch of schoolkids crossing busy avenue des Pins! against their pursuit.

More than once, I've seen teams of police on bicycles running the red light on the bicycle lane outside my house, and they were laughing and joking. Once, I was (obediently) waiting at the corner, and did not dare shout out "hé, le feu est rouge!" The'd certainly find something not regulation about my bicycle... or perhaps simply pepper-spray me.


lagatta
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Still more on this from Radio-Canada. A complaint had already been made against this cop for similar behaviour, in 2011. I guess he likes his cayenne.

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/Montreal/2014/06/13/004-policier-arre...


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We are the goon squad and we're coming to town -- beep-beep.


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