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Quebec polls and parties 2014

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DaveW
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Double post


DaveW
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the CTV poll showing Liberal lead increasing:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/quebec-liberals-hold-five-point-lead-over...

The Quebec Liberal Party has a five-point lead over the Parti Quebecois ahead of the first debate of the election campaign, according to a new poll, which suggests voters have been put off by talk of a referendum should the PQ win a majority next month.

The CTV News/Ipsos Reid poll found that if an election were held tomorrow, Quebec’s Liberals would receive 37 per cent support from decided voters compared to 32 per cent for the PQ.

The Coalition Avenir Quebec is far behind, with 16 per cent support among decided voters, while Quebec Solidaire would receive 10 per cent support. About 12 per cent of voters were undecided.



 


alan smithee
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New PQ attack ad.

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/pq-uses-charbonneau-in-attack-ad-1.1738297

I wonder whether anyone will mention that Marois and her husband have been impicated by this inquiry.


lagatta
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That can also backfire because Judge France Charbonneau has made a point of political neutrality. With her photo, it almost looks as if the PQ is insinuating that she is taking their side.


DaveW
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you know, when you corner a rat ... Marois really is a low character, ready to do ANYTHING, charter / rumours / dumping old Cabinet friends -- to get another kick at the can in power

I would LOVE to see her whole effort crash and burn -- continuing its current Hindenburg-like course


cco
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The "deal" people keep talking about was, in the wiretap, a supposed agreement for the PQ not to press for an inquiry, right? (I've seen a lot of attempts to conflate it with money the FTQ got from the Charest government, but nothing solid.)

In which case, Arsenault got ripped off, since it was months of nonstop PQ pressure that finally forced Charest to call the inquiry.


DaveW
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the disastrous effects of a "third No" on PQ morale:

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/403120/le-troisieme-non

Les effets sur le moral des souverainistes risquent d’être tout aussi désastreux. L’arrivée de PKP en a plongé certains dans une euphorie telle qu’ils ont perdu tout contact avec la réalité de l’électorat québécois. « Enfin, la souveraineté est de retour au centre des débats », s’est réjoui Jacques Parizeau, qui déplorait jusque-là la prudence du gouvernement Marois. On voit le résultat.

  On peut imaginer que des mois de pédagogie basée sur le livre blanc sur l’avenir du Québec annoncé par Pauline Marois permettraient de surmonter l’aversion qu’inspire la perspective d’un autre référendum, mais il était illusoire de croire que la simple présence de M. Péladeau permettrait d’y arriver en 30 jours.

  Après le fol espoir soulevé par l’apparition d’un sauveur auquel on était prêt à tout pardonner, pour autant qu’il nous conduise à la terre promise, le réveil ne peut être que brutal, avec toute l’amertume que cela ne manquera pas de créer.

 


Stockholm
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DaveW wrote:

you know, when you corner a rat ... Marois really is a low character, ready to do ANYTHING, charter / rumours / dumping old Cabinet friends -- to get another kick at the can in power

I would LOVE to see her whole effort crash and burn -- continuing its current Hindenburg-like course

Looks like that will happen - a new Forum poll in Quebec now has the Liberals opening up a 13 point lead 45-32!!!


DaveW
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wa-hoo!

and to think I was not looking forward to this election at all, and half-believed at one point all the PQ-majority nonsense....

It ain't over till it's over.


cco
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Count me out on cheering on a Liberal victory.

DaveW
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 I am going to be cheering the ouster of this idiotic Govt. and its stupid know-it-alls (Lisée, Drainville)...

we deal with the rest later,

but nothing advances here in QC until there is an END to the old Lib-PQ alternance, and the defeat/splitup of the PQ is the fastest way there


cco
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The defeat/breakup of the Liberals would be an equally fast way there. But perhaps what you're trying to say (maybe not) is that nothing happens until those damn separatists realize their cause is lost and stop voting that way, which will enable anglos to only deliver 55% of the vote to the Liberals instead of 91%.

Two years ago I cheered the ouster of the idiotic, offensive, disgusting Liberal government, along with their mentality that they're entitled to govern Québec and the only thing holding them back are these pathetic francophone cultists who want national self-determination (not to mention those damn students with their casseroles). No matter my distaste for the PQ, I'm not ready to have the Liberals back.

My preferred electoral outcome would be a QS majority. Failing that, I'd like them to have the balance of power in a PQ minority. But failing even that, I will still root for (in the narrowest sense) the PQ over the Liberals -- yes, even with Péladeau, horrifying as he is. I never want to see Jean-Marc Fournier on the governing benches again. That's not going to be a very popular opinion in this thread, but there it is.


alan smithee
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My only gripe with the PQ is their shift to the right...followed by the Charter which is completely unnecessary.

The reality is that we won't have a QS majority,therefore the results of this election will be bad news no matter the outcome.


DaveW
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well, cco,  take away your impossible options (QS majority, QS minority -- they're gonna get 2-3 seats!), and those you hold your nose at (PQ minority), and I think I am just as realistic to say let PQ crash and hope -- like the 1990s in Canada -- we end up with a splintered but functional 5-party system, breaking the old QC duopoly

Gotta start somewhere.

 


DaveW
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and the hits just keep on coming: TO Star/Forum poll calls it a runaway Liberal trouncing of PQ: 45-32 ...

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/quebec/2014/03/20/quebec_election_poll_finds_liberals_surging_over_pq_with_first_debate_tonight.html

now THAT would likely lead to the extinction of the old PQ and clear the way for some innovation

 


lagatta
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I can't salute a Liberal victory either. The PQ has been so ghastly this time round that we forget the corruption, repression and other horrors of the Québec Liberal Party. My only hope is a few more QS seats, but that won't be easy.


alan smithee
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Does anyone really believe that there will be any surprises tonight during the debate?

Personally,there's nothing that could be said that will change my vote.

I'll be watching the hockey game.


cco
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Should we have a drinking game?

My first proposed rule: Drink every time Couillard says "economy and jobs".


alan smithee
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cco wrote:

Should we have a drinking game?

My first proposed rule: Drink every time Couillard says "economy and jobs".

I'd pass out in 15 minutes.


Brachina
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 But my God Quebec  don't need a QNDP, with two shit choice and QS making minucule gains at best, why would Quebec need an QNDP?

 The hard truth is this is shit for Quebec in the Short term, but so was the other choice, but this is great for the ROC and in the long term for the Quebec because it opens the door for the QNDP and yes that is a good thing, because otherwise you looking at possibly decades of Liberal rule otherwise, which will suck I assure you.

 


Brachina
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lagatta wrote:

I can't salute a Liberal victory either. The PQ has been so ghastly this time round that we forget the corruption, repression and other horrors of the Québec Liberal Party. My only hope is a few more QS seats, but that won't be easy.

I don't blame you, but hopefully some lemonade can be made from these lemons for the long term. Sometimes that is the best one can hope for when one has a shitty hand. And of course for now there is always activism, and a federal NDP government in 2015 will blunt the impact alot, its hard to justify cuts when the federal government is giving you more money for programs and the like. Hopefully Coulliard will be leary of indulging in corruption or anything that smells of it from fear, time will tell.

alan smithee
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Watching the debate during hockey's intermission.

My impression so far Couillard is weak and Legault is a fuckin' asshole.


cco
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Marois sure had her coffee before this debate. Compared to last time, she's putting on quite a show. I thought David ran away with it in 2012, but she's off to a slow start.

alan smithee
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I have to admit...Marois is winning this debate.


cco
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Legault's more sedate tonight than he's been all campaign. I guess his advisors told him to tone it down.

And is it me, or is Couillard code-switching a bit?


robbie_dee
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alan smithee wrote:

Watching the debate during hockey's intermission.

My impression so far Couillard is weak and Legault is a fuckin' asshole.

What game are you watching?

alan smithee
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robbie_dee wrote:
alan smithee wrote:

Watching the debate during hockey's intermission.

My impression so far Couillard is weak and Legault is a fuckin' asshole.

What game are you watching?

 

Habs v CLB


robbie_dee
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I've got the Sens-Lightning on and hemsky scored a sick goal right when you posted. I doubt Marois will score those kind of points.

DaveW
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alan smithee wrote:

robbie_dee wrote:
alan smithee wrote:

Watching the debate during hockey's intermission.

My impression so far Couillard is weak and Legault is a fuckin' asshole.

What game are you watching?

 

Habs v CLB

 

in hockey 2-1 late in the 3rd;  the debate in shoot-out


cco
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"The only woman who's lost her job is Fatima Houda-Pépin." Burn.


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