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Student strike enters dangerous phase #7

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Question: Is fascism something that only happens somewhere else?


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Yesterday, Jean Charest said he would assume his responsibilities and "restore order" in Québec. Shortly after, his education minister (who was also deputy premier) quit.

Last night, about 2,000 students and allies conducted their regular nightly demo. It went well, but later in the evening someone allegedly threw something at someone (or not), and the demo was declared illegal and dispersed - as usual.

This morning, so far:

1. Students demonstrating near Montréal's Jacques-Cartier bridge were dispersed by police. There have been 19 arrests so far, and police have said the demonstrators will be charged with "mischief" - a criminal charge.

2. Just now, picketers at the Collège Lionel-Groulx in Ste-Thérèse (just north of Montréal) had their picket lines declared as an "illegal assembly". The college has been ordered by the courts to resume classes, but cancelled classes yesterday to avoid problems.

3. A short while ago, a bus en route from Montréal to Ste-Thérèse was "intercepted" by provincial police and directed to their station in Laval. According to the SQ spokesperson, they were stopped so that police could check to see whether any of the passengers had "outstanding warrants" and to verify what their "intentions" were in travelling to Ste-Thérèse. When a CBC radio reporter just asked the SQ spokesperson whether people have a right to demonstrate - especially those that haven't happened yet - the reply was "yes, as long as the intentions of the participants are peaceful". When asked whether it had happened before, or was common practice, to intercept people to check their intentions and warrants, the spokesperson said it wasn't within his mandate to answer that question.

And it's only 8:39 am.


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So when does Charest ask Harper to declare the WMA?


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Caissa wrote:

So when does Charest ask Harper to declare the WMA?

You know, that's exactly what I was thinking... In fact, wasn't the WMA replaced by some other legislation way back when the October crisis took place - something that didn't have the word "war" in it, but allowed the same arrest and detention without warrant or charge provisions?

Anyway, some MSM links are starting to appear on this morning's events:

Student protesters target Jacques Cartier Bridge, CEGEP in Ste. Thérèse

Above: students blocking entry to Collège Ste-Thérèse this morning, but events have unfolded in the past hour... Don't know if the cops have succeeded in breaking the lines yet.


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There used to be Aid to the Civil Power which was used to crush strikes in industrial Cape Breton back in the day.  I'm not sure exactly what legislative means are available at the moment for Federal governments to assist provincial governments. Then again who needs legislative authority anway. For how much longer will Mulcair and his trained seals remain quiet on this issue? (Of course, wiyth my apologies to trained seals.)


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Just to remind everyone of yesterday's events, which were overshadowed in the MSM by the departure of Beauchamp. The video report here gives a vivid picture, including of the attacks on students by riot cops (pepper spray, tear gas) right in front of their school where they were peacefully protesting.

The Gazette

Events are changing so quickly that the headline on this report mixes up this morning's events with yesterday's.

Meanwhile, the Collège Ste-Thérèse pickets are still continuing, in a "stand-off" with cops, who have read the official warning three times that this is an "illegal gathering". SQ riot cops are standing ready to be called in. There are teachers and parents on site as well.

For non-Quebecers, just a reminder that these are mostly teenagers, equivalent of Grade 12 and 13.

 


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The police have become so militarized during the last 40 years that the army itself needn't be employed directly against demonstrators, at least not to this point, unless of course the demonstrators are First Nations in which case all brute force options always remain visible and on the table.  A declaration of martial law at the national level is quite unnecessary as well, unlike the Trudeau era where a skit was produced from arousing the entire country.  Nowadays overt repression is better contained to localized specificities as much as possible, in order to maintain the usual state of pacifity everywhere else.  G20 demonstrated that any zone, radius or street anywhere in the country can be administered under the auspices of a total dictatorial police state on a moment's notice.  When this occurs, it only highlights the fact that all other areas outside of those zones exist under the illusion of freedom at best, like an inmate on a temporary day pass.


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SJ, I respect you as you know, but you're totally missing the point. The WMA isn't about using the army. They can use the army to assist local authorities any time they please. They don't need to declare anything. They do it all the time.

The point is arrest and detention without warrant or charge. It's about declaring simple membership in an organization "unlawful" - like, say, for example, CLASSE. It's about fascist repression, not about which instrument is used. Doesn't matter if the arrests are made by municipal or provincial or federal or military or "deputized" peace officers.

Here's what the old WMA allowed the federal cabinet to do, so long as there was an "apprehended insurrection" or war etc.:

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(a) censorship and the control and suppression of publications, writings, maps, plans, photographs, communications and means of communication;
(b) arrest, detention, exclusion and deportation;
(c) control of the harbours, ports and territorial waters of Canada and the movements of vessels;
(d) transportation by land, air, or water and the control of the transport of persons and things;
(e) trading, exportation, importation, production and manufacture;
(f) appropriation, control, forfeiture and disposition of property and of the use thereof.

End of thread drift.


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Unionist wrote:
In fact, wasn't the WMA replaced by some other legislation way back when the October crisis took place - something that didn't have the word "war" in it, but allowed the same arrest and detention without warrant or charge provisions?
The Emergencies Act of 1988.

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Unionist wrote:
For non-Quebecers, just a reminder that these are mostly teenagers, equivalent of Grade 12 and 13. 

I know if it were my Grade 12 kid downtown here facing off against cops, solely as a result of trying to imagine a better life and future than the one being prepared for all students these days, I'd have to be there as well.  I'd like to think that most of parents in this small city would be as well, and that the government and their police would do well to think twice about unleashing its violence.


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Unionist wrote:
It's about fascist repression, not about which instrument is used. Doesn't matter if the arrests are made by municipal or provincial or federal or military or "deputized" peace officers.

I didn't bring up the WMA actually.  I said it was quite unnecessary to do so nowadays.  This thread is about a new phase, which in the historical context of state repression from one end of the country to the other, is really just an old phase being dusted off, meaning that everything is permitted to the state in whatever configuration it deems necessary.  I respect you as well Unionist, but you might think about stopping with the old warhorse routine, where no one is allowed to talk about war in his presence because he's the only legitimate voice.


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Fer crissakes, SJ, all I said was that this has nothing to do with the army. No one is talking about using the army, the WMA wasn't about the army, I just wanted to move on from that misapprehension, but it appears that we can't do so because now it's about me and my posting style. There have been hundreds of posts here, informing people about the student strike, something the MSM outside Québec is not doing - and trying to mobilize a little bit of support for that. Can't we please just carry on doing that? I can't force anyone to. I'm not a mod. It's just a request. Doesn't prevent a separate thread being opened about meta-issues of the law and the police and methods of repression. I just don't want these threads to go to hell, as they started to do when certain babblers starting debating whether the student movement was just a false-flag conspiracy to shield the Liberal govt from charges of corruption...

SQ riot thugs are tear-gassing students, right now, at Collège Lionel-Groulx

A photo taken moments ago:

 


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Here's a live feed from Collège Lionel-Groulx:

http://t.co/Bzuo3oGR

ETA: Whoa, it just went offline. But you can find "recent videos" at the bottom of the page.

 


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Here's a video of the events about an hour ago. The protestors are shouting, "Annulez les cours!" ("Cancel classes!"). Shortly after, at about 9:30, riot cops used pepper spray, tear gas, and stun grenades to disperse the hundreds present. Demonstrators are still there watching cops, but not sure about whether anyone has gone inside yet.

 


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Oooooo... Power Corporation is holding its shareholders' meeting at the Hôtel Intercontinental this morning (in Old Montréal), and some demonstrators are apparently gathering outside... Luckily, the cops are ready - just finished dancing a hora in preparation.

Did I mention that I love social media?

 


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Looks more like the hokey-pokey.


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The network of womens' centres in Quebec has gone on a one day strike in solidarity with the student movement. 45 centres are participating across the province. Along with a group of social workers in the working class neighbourhood of Hochelaga-Maisonneuve, social workers and artists seem to be the only sectors answering CLASSE's call for a social strike today.

 

Partout au Québec, des centres de femmes sont en grève dans la rue

MONTRÉAL, le 14 mai 2012 /CNW Telbec/ - Le mardi 15 mai 2012, L'R des centres de femmes du Québec fait la grève sociale et plusieurs de ses membres réalisent des actions politiques, en appui au mouvement étudiant, en faveur de l'accessibilité universelle aux services publics et contre la répression policière.

Actions partout au Québec
Des centres de femmes, dont 45 en grève, seront en action dans 13 régions du Québec, le mardi 15 mai 2012. Par exemple, en Abitibi, les centres de femmes feront du piquetage et une action « tannante ». Dans le Bas-Saint-Laurent, les centres de femmes feront une action symbolique à Rivière-du-Loup, dans le cadre d'un piquetage devant le bureau du député libéral de la circonscription, Jean D'Amours.  D'autres actions auront lieu à Montréal, à Québec, à Gatineau et ailleurs....

http://www.newswire.ca/fr/story/974317/partout-au-quebec-des-centres-de-femmes-sont-en-greve-dans-la-rue


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About 200 demonstrators (pro-student plus anti-poverty groups) in front of the Intercontinental Hotel - riot police are there, some cops on horseback, much celebration, no arrests yet.

Hey Power Corporation: Look outside, the Power is in the street!


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At Lionel-Groulx:

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Parents of some of the students watched on in tears as the officers, dressed in heavy tactical gear, moved toward the campus.

 


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It is my view of mass protests that face police states that it is the mothers that are always the key to any successes.  When the mothers come out in the streets to lead the marches, the bad boys and girls in the police ranks hardly ever riot. Egypt is a good example as are Chile, Argentina and Venezuela.

The students will soon find out whether their parents will allow them to be mowed down in the streets with tear gas and rubber bullets or whether they will say enough is enough I will stand with them.


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kropotkin1951 wrote:

The students will soon find out whether their parents will allow them to be mowed down in the streets with tear gas and rubber bullets or whether they will say enough is enough I will stand with them.

That's probably the best way without a doubt to shame Charest.


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At Collège Lionel-Groulx:

The 53 students covered by injunctions apparently have gone in to the building. But the teachers so far have refused to enter. The administration is talking to the teachers, trying to convince those whose classes are covered by the injunction to go in and make contact with the students, if not to actually start the classes. So far, teachers have refused to have their ranks split. They are expressing shock about the brutal police tactics of this morning.

 


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The scene outside the Power Corp shareholders' meeting this morning:

Some of the demonstrators left the scene and starting marching down the Autoroute Ville-Marie (a freeway running underneath downtown Montréal) - police have been trying to disperse them, some arrests made:


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Tks for all the great pics, which often say a thousand words Unionist.


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CBC and CTV have had intermittent live coverage of the student demos for the past few hours, one CTV reporter called the actions of the police "excessively brutal". I wonder if that person will still have a job by the end of the day.


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Like every Nazi and fascist in history, the Liberal government, in preparation for more brutal and violent crackdowns, is blaming "Marxists" and "anti-capitalists" for all their problems. The savagery of their rhetoric is increasing by the minute.

Liberals harden tone

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"Enough is enough. And we've had enough. And the population of Montreal has had enough," says Raymond Bachand.

The Finance minister says fringe radical groups are trying to destabilize the economy. "They're anti-capitalists. They're Marxists. They use intimidation tactics in front of schools and in the city of Montreal and patience has limits."

 


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LE RABBIT CREW CALL OUT Jean Charest!!!! (le vrai vidéo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnGoi5g4NTc&feature=relmfu


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Michelle Courchesne convoque les acteurs du conflit étudiant

La nouvelle ministre de l’Éducation, du Loisir et du Sport, Michelle Courchesne, convoque les représentants des associations étudiantes et les dirigeants des cégeps et des universités pour une rencontre mardi. Deux rencontres auront lieux. Mme Courchesne se réunira avec les représentants des quatre associations étudiantes puis avec les représentants de la Fédération des cégeps du Québec et de la Conférence des recteurs et des principaux des universités du Québec (CRÉPUQ)....

http://journalmetro.com/actualites/national/73149/michelle-courchesne-co...

google translate:

The new Minister of Education, Recreation and Sports, Michelle Courchesne, summon the representatives of student associations and leaders of colleges and universities for a meeting Tuesday. Two meetings will take place. Ms. Courchesne will meet with representatives of the four student associations and with representatives of the Federation of Quebec CEGEPs and the Conference of Rectors and Principals of Quebec Universities (CREPUQ).


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Another victory - one day at a time!

Riot cops open school [Lionel-Groulx], staff shuts it down

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The courtrooms can force Quebec’s schools to reopen, and police can force them to let students in.

But nobody can force teachers to teach. [...]

A recent court injunction ordered the reopening of College Lionel-Groulx near Montreal. After several days of student pickets, which included some parents and teachers who wanted to support the declared strikers, riot police used chemical irritants to clear a path into the school today.

Some students, along with faculty, eventually entered.

But a few hours later, after staff meetings, the college issued a statement: Lionel-Groulx will remain closed for two more days, on Wednesday and Thursday.

The statement cites only a brief explanation — that it’s become impossible to teach classes regularly. It does not say whether the school will reopen Friday, the day that a new injunction comes into effect.


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