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Toronto Election Fraud Rally March 31, 2012

sailsmart
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I attended the rally in Toronto yesterday and came away early with these observations.  If you're going to hold a rally, best make sure that you are on time, ready and have real clout in preparedness.  Organizers were 1/2 hour late and people were scattered all over trying to figure out if this is the place to be.  For all it was worth, a bad assembly just makes for good criticism from the other side.  

There was a guy draped in a marijuana flag smack dab in the centre of the stairs openly smoking a spliff. Looked to me like he was a plant aiming to discredit what elections fraud is all about.  As well, a big tall guy with face acne of a drug user and baggy coat that looked like a Robert DeNiro street urchin sat down strategically for the photo ops and buggered off after that.  

I'm getting the picture that protests in Toronto are being co-opted by the anonymous group and slandering the image of people concerned about political matters beyond those of fighting cops on the street, street people begging and drug use in public.  I'd marched in the first Occupy Toronto and when we got to the park, some grown men climbed trees and started toking up.  If you want your kids to know about community action, how do you explain complete idiocy like that?  I definitely would support getting a cop to enforce open drug use at any time.  I would do tell people to butt out when smoking in the street, so don't get all holy on me about marijuana.

Lastly, the lol in the comments section of the Star and Globe is an indication of the anonymous group who lulz (make fun) of political issues for the hell of it.  They aren't anarchists but right wing.  And are likely responsible for the NDP voting hacking, and hacking of the Toronto Star when the budget came in.  Why didn't they pick on the Globe or the Post?  

So, when you see these creepy plants in protests, don't assume they're there in support.  They were there to cause trouble during the G20 and ever since.

Why do you think the media focussed on the police brutality of some occupy protesters from the day before.  A diversion from paying attention to the Election march.

I should have stayed home yesterday, but at least I got some real understanding of the scenery behind the raggamuffins messing with online chatter, their motivations and causes for public apathy.


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Slumberjack
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sailsmart wrote:
I attended the rally in Toronto yesterday and came away early with these observations.  If you're going to hold a rally, best make sure that you are on time, ready and have real clout in preparedness.  Organizers were 1/2 hour late and people were scattered all over trying to figure out if this is the place to be.  For all it was worth, a bad assembly just makes for good criticism from the other side.

If the fortunes, or the lack thereof, of a politically inspired movement seeking change hinges on the favour or disfavour of the other side, especially the other side as we've come to understand it, then all preparations are reduced to making the order of things within the movement itself presentable to power; aligned in other words to it's tolerances.

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There was a guy draped in a marijuana flag smack dab in the centre of the stairs openly smoking a spliff. Looked to me like he was a plant aiming to discredit what elections fraud is all about.  As well, a big tall guy with face acne of a drug user and baggy coat that looked like a Robert DeNiro street urchin sat down strategically for the photo ops and buggered off after that.

Protest movements need to be cleaned up in other words; is what seems to be the message here.  All the better to identify anything presenting itself apart from the agreed upon social norm as a possible plant.  Perhaps a dress code and a list of do's and don't's distributed in the days leading up to the demonstration might be of service in this regard. 

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I'd marched in the first Occupy Toronto and when we got to the park, some grown men climbed trees and started toking up.  If you want your kids to know about community action, how do you explain complete idiocy like that? 
 

It could be a plant, or it could merely be someone bracing themselves to behold yet another exercise in uselessness.  There's likely more than one idiocy requiring explanation causing people to take different approaches.

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Lastly, the lol in the comments section of the Star and Globe is an indication of the anonymous group who lulz (make fun) of political issues for the hell of it.  They aren't anarchists but right wing.  And are likely responsible for the NDP voting hacking, and hacking of the Toronto Star when the budget came in.  Why didn't they pick on the Globe or the Post?  

Who cares what they are within these venues?  Since when has the Star, Globe or any corporate media outlets and their followings represented anything other than anti-progress.  These places are generally where it lives. 

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So, when you see these creepy plants in protests, don't assume they're there in support.  They were there to cause trouble during the G20 and ever since.

Because the last thing anyone wants at a protest is to cause trouble.  We can note that the police are never dissuaded from these type of orchestrations, or from any of their activities for that matter.  That they act with impunity using a variety of techniques is the result of a lack of consequences.  They exercise the 'carte blanche' provided to them by both sides of the barricades. 

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I should have stayed home yesterday...

Agreed.


sailsmart
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ok yapper, you chose to attack me on several points by the Martian speak.  Why not the vernacular I chose.  I put myself out there by giving my views and you sheit all over it because you see me as a townie with attitude.  Guess what buddie.  I'm no less important than the useless fu'''cks that waste my time by sabotaging a good cause with drivel sheit of marijuana laws.  I want environmental justice and voting for the party I have in mind is a right.  So you can play your useless attacks on slandering me but don't friggin get in my way of a cause that isn't your agenda.  pees off.


sailsmart
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For organizers of the Elections Fraud in Toronto yesterday, can you account for the lateness and randomness of the whole organization.  For the presence of Occupy plants and no cops whatsoever?  For the lack of media coverage despite several news media being there.  Give a debriefing here.  If you expect people to back you up and waste time to talk this thing up, and you drop the ball then shame on you.  You deserve to fail and your cause is unjustified due to lack of leadership.  You may as well advertise for the cons because to be derided by the public serves them even more by feeding apathy into mainstream thinking.

Why weren't the cops there and why didn't someone get the plants (marijuana supporters with sheit flag) front and centre out of the spotlight.  That's right, I'm calling you out for embracing the same group that's screwing justice in politics.  They ended up getting the 10 people sitting in the middle of the road in an occupy and anti-cop protest to derail the elections scandal.  Suckers.


Slumberjack
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I don't know how one would set about solving the problem of agent provocateurs and the traditional public demonstration, except to discontinue their use as vehicles for addressing power.  I also don't see how; if one continues to suggest that the typical demonstration is the most optimal way of attracting the attention and favours of the ruling class, where popular appeal is a necessary prerequisite toward success; such success is to come about by first drawing up exclusionary lists as a notice served to the undesirable elements of society, by the more respectable quarters.  It seems to me that all the blame being thrown around is just another way to avoid recognizing the spectacular at the heart of these matters.


sailsmart
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I threw that out there not out of spite but from severe case of paranoia of how the media is shaping public dissent. It's quite easy for people to spot an agent provocateur by engaging the person and finding out what's what in a casual way.  That might mean to have some security, even from the cops on the issue of breaking public laws.  The guy with the marijuana flag at a voting issue is muddying the message.  People's sympathies turn away if they get the association of lawbreaking which the protest is all about.  Organizers, do a better job of how the obvious plants may do more harm and pre-empt all your efforts to rally to a cause.  I don't mean to get the RCMP to check the Facebook credentials of attendees.  But a few messages out there about image and good behaviour (toking up in the midst of a crowd) is obviously flaggrant.


Dushan
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Sailsmart, you give these people too much credit. This IS what/who they are. 


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