Sex Industry from a consumer perpective
I thought it migh be interesting to look at the issues the sex industry though the eyes of consumers as opposed to the usual worker or societial. I've never been to an escort(although I have no objection to doing that) have no interest in streetwalker services, am considering trying a message palour. What have I have tried, is strip clubs, porn, and pua training books. Strip Clubs can be surprisingly boring at times. I've only been to the whiskey, it has a rep for being a clean club and it seems.I do know dancer that did get fired for punching another for punching her friend but that is the closet I've seen to violence at the club. Patrons always have to be careful of fraud called upcounting, physical or verbal attacks for rejecting a dancers advances(no only do some handle rejection badly some get terrorial about patrons), I know of one dancer (not at whiskey) who blackmails patrons who accidentally ejectualate into paying for money or she will send the bouncers after them. I had one girl ask if any of the other dancers owned me. Still over all I have fun. Some dancers you just connect with, like one dancer I just like goofing around with all the time. Another seemed more into it then I was and she lost track of how many songs (no other dancer has ever come close to losing track as the could mean losing money) and started masturbating after I whisper dirty things into her ear. I had one girl not only masturbate on my lap, but stayed masturbating on my lap even after the agreed upon dances were over so she could have her happy ending (I was not charged for the over time as it were). I do bend the rules by playing with boobies and getting grinding, but only if the chick is okay with it. As for pickup training it is fun, but right now my lifestyle is not conductive to it so I'm taking a temperary break. Oddly I've come to the realization the the pickup industry is a part of the sex industry in some really weird ways. Like the gurus in a sense sell the ability to get sex with girls, but the girls are not prostitutes and usually do not know about the economic part at all, only that they are attracted to this guy. Also many offer seminair to pick up dancers, usually with a rule that you never buy a dance or you become a customer, in essence making money off these girls while driving down thier potiential income in a very parasitic relationship.
Welcome to the newer rabble/babble, a patriarchial paradise, where women get spoken about like a object of commodity, all in the name of sex workers rights apparently!!
Well, in fairness to the forum, it's not likely that this guy is making a sincere attempt to follow the stated mandate. In fact, it's quite probable that he's posting this hardcore pornography in order to make the forum look bad.
Anyway, I've notified the mods.
Why not just change the pronouns?
"oh wait, I forgot, everything must be viewed through the filter of compulsory heterosexuality, sorry, I keep forgetting that"
heterosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
Globe had an article on the legalization of prostitution in the Saturday edition. Susan Davis was quoted.
Goodbye gyor.
Darn, now I will never know if he could have clarified his point (whatever it was) after changing the pronouns. Boo hoo.
holy crap!!!!talk about making the point for consumer education!!
I thought this thread was going to be about the client research done on www.johnsvoice.ca
I was so wrong.
Regarding the OP, I guess it is uncomfortable to "witness" what happens inside a strip club, and that the dancers work the room, but seriously, what did you think happens there? That they are drugged up unhappy miserable, chained to the pole, the crack of whips and herded out like cattle? These dancers are often the same ones who will retort that they are NOT escorts, and don't provide sexual services for money, but in the eyes of the public, as we can see, there is little or no difference in how we are all perceived.
I am not sure why the need to silence him? Did he not fit into the stereotypical demonized client preying on the desperation of these dancers? Did he come off a little shy, socially clueless and pretty grateful for the fact that a dancer even talked to him at all, and kind of wreck the perception of evil, manipulating, predator? The concept of a dancer feeling so NOT a victim of all this she is actually blackmails and/or intimidates others around her?
Not sure what the message is here.
@fortunate
This.
It's a lot easier though to go after a man on these boards when he says these things... otherwise you have to presume a woman's chromosomes are atypical to get away with attacking her.
gyor was awkward and maybe a little explicit and it was easy to take that first-person story telling and make what seemed a dispassionate discussion of incidents that stood out to him and make it sound pornographic... (Remember that folks, talking about explicit sex acts where you protect the anonymity of your partners is really pornographically objectifying the partner and reducing her to an anonymous object.)
I did quite like the point he made that people sell sex without actually being involved directly in the act or the arranging of it... those late night ab-abber-plus commercials? Selling sex. Reek like a Jersey Shore Reject body spray? Selling sex. Clothiers? Selling sex. Learn a trade, higher wages? Sex... The NFL? They produce status objects, publicize them... definitely selling sex... (and killing off men at an impressive rate.)
We like to draw this neat little line between the retail transaction and the rest of society, the people who call unemployed men losers, the people who push this model of earning husband-trophy wife, and we say that when they tell men to shape up and stop policing women that they're ending that culture... no, they're just engaging in demand side economics, and then blaming the consumers. As long as people tell men to be transactionally attractive when men ask in what way are they to find romantic and sexual partnering, those people are doing more to bolster the transactional model of sex than any sex worker ever theoretically could.
I apolegize if my prebanning comment offended anyone. I goal was not to troll (I believe my post previous to this were generally well recieved).
My goal was to provide a frank and honest prepective on a client side perpective. I will endevour to be less graphic.
As to a gay or lesbian client perpective I'm niether so I'm not qualified to speak to either perpective, its not my place to userp thier voice.
My main point was that while sex workers as victim and customers as victimers is an unsopisicated view of a highly complex network of relationships, both between dancers and customer and even dancers with dancers(who may be customers as well). The truth is while customers may use money, sex workers exploit emotional, social, issues as well as a sexual biological drive that can be severly backed up with no socially acceptable outlet, which had lead to both phyiscal and emotional health issues for both men and women. I've met dancers who do not understand no means no (not many thankfully).
That is not to say that all dancers are like this, some are warm, generous, compassionate, good humor, open minded and not greedy with a respect for ones economic realities.
As for the anomity of the dancers it is the nature of the business in which everyone has a stage name. It is a defence mechinism in a hostile world filled with Judgement. I spoke to a woman that worked in an adult video store and she told me how she was a women's studies student and how she was ostrichized and attacked by her femanist peers for working at an adult video store. Imagine what a dancer experiences so I keep myself discreet. Not that I know thier real names (well I know one), but I don't ask it either. I prefer creating an idealized fantasy reality between the two of us then to assume a false sense of a emotional relationship.
On the issueing of being transactionally attractive it is interesting that all the highest regarded PUA gurus teach men to stop being the provider, that to buy a drink for a woman you don't know is transparent and weak attempt to purchase her affections which ironically has the opposite effect because it comes off as an attempt to compsensate for a percieved lower value then her. Its a sign of lower self esteem.
As to the stripper game disappointing me, not at all, I find it fasinaiting, I enjoy watching it in an intellictual sense of figuring out her stragedgy.
I met one patron and he told me how by tipping one pacticular guy other guys would flock to her. The two of them even came up with this thing were he would tip crappy tire money to her on stage and guys would fallow him up like a pied piper with real cash. He even gave me five bucks to tip her with and so help me he was right, three guys were up on stage by the time I took my seat. He told me that only two girls could get that result everytime. Fascinating. Why them?
On the issue of objectification on philosphical level I see the person as seperate from the body. To me the body is the ride, the vechile for both the mind and the soul, a car made of meat we all ride around in till we die, take a break, and then pick up a new body(ride) and a new copilot(mind). That's why I see a woman getting a pair of implants as no different then if she got apair of racing strips or suicide doors on her BMW.
Objectification is healthy because it allows use to be attracted to someone without forming emotional ties every time we end up attacted to someone. For example what would happen if you fell in love with someone every time you saw a beautiful pair of eyes or a cute smile? Emotional ancharhy and an emense heartache. Sexual Objectification is only a problem when one forgots who owns that flesh car(the ensouled driver and thier copilot the mind) or you forgot or cease to care about what happens to the driver.
Of car is always at its best when its got a good driver.
Just to get to know me I'm not an antisocial guy, I talk and flirt like a normal person, its just that I have major family issues right now and I don't want to drag other people into that. I also concider my sexual preference to be dominate, with a hetrosexual undertone. I've always found the straight, Gay, Bisexual paridim to be over simpilified. See other factors that could be just important as gender, such as power, emotional investment, asexuality ect... In determing sexual oriention. That does not mean I'm a bossy person in general, I'm layed back, its just in the bedroom I like power (consentually). Its not a men are suppior thing for me, I've voted for women almost everytime I've voted because I felt they were most Qualified.
I do believe as well that being arousal does not ask our permission to arise and so expecting human sexuality and the fantasies that issue from that to conform to political correctness futile and can be as dangerous as a gay man denying his homosexuality to himself to hi mental health.
I just noticed that I have a bad habbit of thread drift.
People had questions and I just wanted to be understood just like anyone else, never tied to troll.
Banned again. Don't come back.
As sex trade workers go, Orientals are always the best value. White women have too many stretch marks and cellulite.
Maybe it's time to close this thread.
Maybe?
Mods notified.
I thought I would try using understatement, Maysie. I had informed the mods as well.
Aboriginal workers provide good value as long as they're sober.
Trolls belong under bridges. Get back to where you once belonged.
Banned. Closed.